On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:17:35 -0000, Tim Jackson
<news@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:32:03 +0000, Alex Heney wrote...
>
>> And I don't think it is about cross border trade.
>> 
>> It is about what restrictions are allowed in licenses to show
>> copyright material.
>> 
>> It is perfectly legal to sell a licence which would only allow the
>> showing in a specific named premises (I may be wrong, but I believe
>> that is what the licences they sell generally do). Or to a specific
>> identified group of people (members of a particular club, for
>> instance).
>> 
>> Or in a specified town. Or county.
>> 
>> Are you suggesting that these licences should be unenforceable because
>> they prevent cross border trade?
>
>Yes, exactly.  Such a licence may well be automatically void - if it has 
>the effect of preventing, restricting or distorting competition within 
>the common market, and doesn't fall within a permitted exception.
>
>See Article 81(1) and (2) of the EU Treaty:
>
>[quote]
>
>1. The following shall be prohibited as incompatible with the common 
>market: all agreements between undertakings, decisions by associations 
>of undertakings and concerted practices which may affect trade between 
>Member States and which have as their object or effect the prevention, 
>restriction or distortion of competition within the common market, and 
>in particular those which:
>

Given that they would certainly (and almost certainly correctly) argue
that these do not "have as their object or effect the prevention, 
restriction or distortion of competition within the common market", I
believe that is the point at which this argument falls.
-- 
Alex Heney, Global Villager
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

Just visited the imperial tobacco website
http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/
looking for help
to give up smoking . Theirs NONE of course but there
is an admission in black and white that their product is
addictive .
http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/index.asp?page=36

I feel this admission in effect makes them responsible
for curing my addiction , why burdon my own pocket
..the NHS , why charities etc , the have admitted
their product is addictive , i feel they have a responsibilty
to cure me of this addiction

Any thoughts

On 3 Jan, 01:34, "Homeworker"  wrote:
> Just visited the imperial tobacco websitehttp://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/
> looking for help
> to give up smoking . Theirs NONE of course but there
> is an admission in black and white that their product is
> addictive .http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/index.asp?page=36
>
> I feel this admission in effect makes them responsible
> for curing my addiction , why burdon my own pocket
> ..the NHS , why charities etc , the have admitted
> their product is addictive , i feel they have a responsibilty
> to cure me of this addiction
>
> Any thoughts

It has long been known that smoking is addictive and damages health.
Perhaps, as with alcohol and drugs, the responsibility for the results
should lie with those who choose to self-administer the product. As
for the cure for the addiction - Stop smoking - thousands have - the
magic ingredient is will-power - the responsibility for applying will-
power also lies with the user. Waiting for a tobacco producer to 'cure
your addiction' is just an excuse to keep smoking.

Toom

"Toom Tabard"  wrote in message 
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> On 3 Jan, 01:34, "Homeworker"  wrote:
>> Just visited the imperial tobacco 
>> websitehttp://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/
>> looking for help
>> to give up smoking . Theirs NONE of course but there
>> is an admission in black and white that their product is
>> addictive .http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/index.asp?page=36
>>
>> I feel this admission in effect makes them responsible
>> for curing my addiction , why burdon my own pocket
>> ..the NHS , why charities etc , the have admitted
>> their product is addictive , i feel they have a responsibilty
>> to cure me of this addiction
>>
>> Any thoughts
>
> It has long been known that smoking is addictive and damages health.
> Perhaps, as with alcohol and drugs, the responsibility for the results
> should lie with those who choose to self-administer the product. As
> for the cure for the addiction - Stop smoking - thousands have - the
> magic ingredient is will-power - the responsibility for applying will-
> power also lies with the user. Waiting for a tobacco producer to 'cure
> your addiction' is just an excuse to keep smoking.
>
> Toom

I agree I gave up smoking 16 years ago after smoking 50 cigs a day. All I 
used was willpower and the knowledge that I could not get up the stairs to 
my flat without getting out of breath and the doctor said I could be dead in 
less than a year
Ron

"Ron"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Toom Tabard"  wrote in message 
> news:be3c42b2-25f8-497b-b4a5-d466ccca2ec9@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jan, 01:34, "Homeworker"  wrote:
>>> Just visited the imperial tobacco 
>>> websitehttp://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/
>>> looking for help
>>> to give up smoking . Theirs NONE of course but there
>>> is an admission in black and white that their product is
>>> addictive .http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/index.asp?page=36
>>>
>>> I feel this admission in effect makes them responsible
>>> for curing my addiction , why burdon my own pocket
>>> ..the NHS , why charities etc , the have admitted
>>> their product is addictive , i feel they have a responsibilty
>>> to cure me of this addiction
>>>
>>> Any thoughts
>>
>> It has long been known that smoking is addictive and damages health.
>> Perhaps, as with alcohol and drugs, the responsibility for the results
>> should lie with those who choose to self-administer the product. As
>> for the cure for the addiction - Stop smoking - thousands have - the
>> magic ingredient is will-power - the responsibility for applying will-
>> power also lies with the user. Waiting for a tobacco producer to 'cure
>> your addiction' is just an excuse to keep smoking.
>>
>> Toom
>
> I agree I gave up smoking 16 years ago after smoking 50 cigs a day. All I 
> used was willpower and the knowledge that I could not get up the stairs to 
> my flat without getting out of breath and the doctor said I could be dead 
> in less than a year
> Ron
forgot to add with the money I saved from stopping smoking  >£30 week in 
1991 , I bought myself a lovely house. No one should be paid to give up 
smoking or get free aid to do so. Look at the money they will have when they 
stop. 40 cigarettes not smoked today is £10 for nicotine patches. If they 
get it on a prescription they should pay all the money back with the money 
they save.

Ron

"Homeworker"  wrote in message 
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> Just visited the imperial tobacco website
> http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/
> looking for help
> to give up smoking . Theirs NONE of course but there
> is an admission in black and white that their product is
> addictive .
> http://www.imperial-tobacco.co.uk/index.asp?page=36
>
> I feel this admission in effect makes them responsible
> for curing my addiction , why burdon my own pocket
> ..the NHS , why charities etc , the have admitted
> their product is addictive , i feel they have a responsibilty
> to cure me of this addiction
>
> Any thoughts
>
I have known that ciggies are addictive since I was about nine in the mid 
sixties and tried to persuade my parents to give up.

Anyone who has started smoking since (either the age of nine or the mid 
sixties) has only themselves to blame.

Even if you started smoking before Prof Doll's papers in the 60's, in five 
minutes time you don't have to reach into that packet, pull out a tab and 
smoke it.  Only YOU can give up smoking.