JFK assassination of 1963 explained

http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3

http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3

Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
January 31, 1968 (Part 1)

http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3

Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
January 31, 1968 (Part 2)

http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3

"Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in 
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> JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
>
> Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>
> Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>
>
>

Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via the 
internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have 
existed...


PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the back 
side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).

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> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
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> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the

Those agencies you mention are pretty much defunct now as being able to
protect America and Americans.  A lot of people in America are privately
saying a revolution is coming down the pipeline.

> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>
>

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the
> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>

Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling the
other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
it, not the person it's being said about.

The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily investigate
and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.

The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;

#1. USE HONEST INVESTIGATORS
The investigator must himself be completely honest. This is because when a
person lies he becomes less able to see what is true and real himself. When
a person is completely honest, he can much more easily see what is real and
true. Lying confuses the person lying more than anyone else.

#2. EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTABLE
No alcohol, drugs, chemicals, illness or disease can make a person break the
law or commit a crime. Every person knows exactly what he is doing. In a
corruption case, the corrupt people involved often toss around confusing
psychiatric terms at the victims and witnesses of the corruption.

#3. IGNORE ALL PSYCHOLOGY TERMS
Ignore all psychology terms you may hear. In corruption cases, these are
often tossed around hoping to confuse the investigation. In fact, the people
tossing around psychology terms the most are usually the ones involved in
the corruption, or are helping to cover up the corruption.

#4. GRAND JURIES
Corruption cases invariably involve making up lies and spreading them. Also,
in getting innocent people to inadvertently repeat those lies. Therefore,
grand juries must be convened where people connected with the case are
forced to answer honestly under oath. Don't be scared to subpeana people who
don't know anything about the case, but who simply have been repeating
defamation or lies about a key witness or subject of the grand jury.  You do
not ask people of they want to testify. You subpoena them and force them to
testify, like the Constitution requires.

#5. LIE DETECTOR TESTS
Lie detector tests must be given. The more the better. Those people who
refuse to take a lie detector test, are the people to begin investigating
more closely. These are the people who need to come in to the grand jury and
be forced to testify.

#6. LOOK FOR MONEY BEING SPREAD AROUND
One key element in a corruption case is the spreading around of money. What
may seem to be money being given to "help someone" or "to see if the guy is
okay" is very often simply a way of setting up a money route to spread lies
and defamation about a witness or victim. All grand jury questions and lie
detector test questions should involve asking if the person ever received
any money with regards to the person in question, or for that person, or for
any reason involving that person. And whatever innocent excuse is revealed
as being the reason, most often the money is simply being used to get
information on that victim or witness in order to defame or suppress the
testimony of that victim or witness.

#7. PROSECUTE FOR LIES
Be ready to prosecute anyone who lies during questioning. The charge is
Obstruction of Justice
US CODE - TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73-OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_73.html

And, make it known to these people beforehand, that they will be charged
with obstruction if they lie. Before questioning them, tell them how many
years in prison they will get if they lie. Be firm and honest. Don't use any
investigators who themselves lie once in a while, or who have loose sex, or
sex with prostitutes.

#8. FAKE SUICIDE TO THROW OFF INVESTIGATION
In serious corruption cases, there may be a suicide or two. Do not let this
obstruct the investigation in any way. Often times, the corrupt elements
hope that a suicide will stop a corruption investigation. They may even make
up a fake story about someone committing suicide and toss that story around,
hoping it will startle or thwart younger investigators.  Ignore it. The
stories of suicide are often completely fake. Or, they find some real
suicide in the newspaper, then falsely try to make it look like that person
was involved or was close friends with someone involved in the corruption
case.

#9. LEVELS OF DEFAMATION MADE AGAINST WITNESSES AND VICTIMS
Harassment and defamation against witnesses and victims during a corruption
case is standard procedure. It is to be expected. In fact, if some guy is
talking about a supposed corruption but no one is saying anything about that
guy (no defamation or calling him crazy) then there usually is little or no
corruption that occurred. However, if serious defamation is seen on a guy
reporting some corruption, then the corruption is usually real and serious.
The amount of defamation being made on someone who reports corruption is
usually equal to the seriousness of the corruption.  No defamation often
means no corruption. Loads of defamation, especially crazy terms like
insane, nutcase and psychology terms usually means lots of corruption.

#10. QUICK INVESTIGATIONS
Move quickly with a corruption investigation. You cannot let it linger for
months and months. If its a serious corruption case involving officials,
policemen, or wealthy CEOs, they have a tendency and apparent ability to get
all your investigative information every few months. Meaning, that they will
have all your witnesses names, the events that occurred, any affidavits you
have, etc, every month or so. If the corrupt people have money and political
influence, the witness list allows them to do things like give those
witnesses jobs, where they can then tamper with those witnesses by spreading
lies to them to confuse things, even to make the corrupt offenses seem fake,
as if a joke. Then when you go back to talk to these important witnesses,
don't be surprised if they are intimidated, scared, have changed their
testimony because they are now confused. Or these witnesses now think it was
all a joke because several people at the new job have been joking about a
similar offense, except they say it was fictional and all a joke (people
just goofing around).  You can actually call those people in to the grand
jury to have thems explain who told them to say make those joking
statements.

Written by Tim

"Economics"  spammed on in message
> "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
>> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
>> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>> >
snip
>> >
>> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>> >
>> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>> >
>> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> the
>> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
>> existed...
>>
>>
>> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> back
>> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar 
>> with).
>>
>
> Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling 
> the
> other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
> sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
> it, not the person it's being said about.

Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.

Evidence: -
Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed 
OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with the 
original post.

>
> The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
> studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
> to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
> although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
> JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily 
> investigate
> and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
> corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
>
> The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
>

Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago is 
of interest to government investigators, just as historians and 
psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the 
criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked 
reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their 
president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current] UK 
law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

VERDICT

You are a troll - go and spam elsewhere.










* OK so that is a diagnosis of being crazy - you got me!

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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> "Economics"  spammed on in message
> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >> >
> snip
> >> >
> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >> >
> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> > the
> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> >> existed...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> > back
> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
> >> with).
> >>
> >
> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
> > the
> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
Honest,
> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> > simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is
saying
> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>
> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.
>
> Evidence: -
> Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed
> OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with
the
> original post.

Sounds like you are wasting your time chasing around old news posts you may
not be interested in anyway.

To enlighten you slightly, newsgroups are for various topics and subjects to
be tossed around. Often these topics too complex, or perhaps somewhat
unnerving, rendering them to be topics we generally don't speak about with
the average person in real life. So, we use the newsgroups anonymously to
toss around, look at, and discuss various articles of some kind or another.

Because the newsgroups are international, it's better for the person to be
anonymous and to not use one's real name. And because some posters latch on
to certain subjects, making responses that do little more than distract the
issue, it's usually good for a person to change his posting name every so
often.


>
> >
> > The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are
now
> > studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows
them
> > to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage
in,
> > although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how
the
> > JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily
> > investigate
> > and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves
murder,
> > corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
> >
> > The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
> >
>
> Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago
is
> of interest to government investigators, just as historians and
> psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the
> criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Well, if we left it up to the historians and psychologists, they likely will
become confused and we won't hear the answer or reasons.

The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people who
engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called pagan
atheism, and it's nothing new.


>
> Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked
> reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their
> president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current]
UK
> law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject that
does interest you.

Economics wrote:


> The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people
> who engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called
> pagan atheism, and it's nothing new.

The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
 
> 
> Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
> newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
> relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject
> that does interest you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Zapata+JFK
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"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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> "Economics"  spammed on in message
> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >> >
> snip
> >> >
> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >> >
> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> > the
> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> >> existed...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> > back
> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
> >> with).
> >>
> >
> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
> > the
> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
Honest,
> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> > simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is
saying
> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>
> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.

Here's another example showing why America is a corpocracy that rules
Americans, not a democracy run by the people of America;

America's corporate rulers toss people like you confusing, wacky psychology
terms like "obsessive" and "delusional". These terms are usually used on
American TV, made to seem legitimate and real, possibly even humorous. The
corpocracy then tells you to accuse other people of having these "unprovable
disorders" when you disagree with them while discussing a political topic.
These terms are supposed to shift attention away from the political topic
and instead turn the discussion into a personal one, where some person then
mocks on another person involved in the debate.

After these supposedly legitimate psychology terms are used, the debate
often then breaks down into derogatory namecalling with the hope of
completely shifting attention away from the political topic.

Of course, none of this works when people ignore psychology terms
completely.  It's really unnecessary for someone to even point out the
foolishness of such terms within a political discussion, because most people
are now simply ignoring such psychology terms along with the person who is
consistently using them.

Economics wrote:

> "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> news:7LWdnQxGKOYUjhfbnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Economics"  spammed on in message
>> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
>> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
>> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>> >> >
>> snip
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions
>> >> via
>> > the
>> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
>> >> existed...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
>> > back
>> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
>> >> with).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
>> > the
>> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
> Honest,
>> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see
>> > someone simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person
>> > who is
> saying
>> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>>
>> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.
> 
> Here's another example showing why America is a corpocracy that rules
> Americans, not a democracy run by the people of America;
> 
> America's corporate rulers toss people like you confusing, wacky
> psychology terms like "obsessive" and "delusional". These terms are
> usually used on American TV, made to seem legitimate and real, possibly
> even humorous. The corpocracy then tells you to accuse other people of
> having these "unprovable disorders" when you disagree with them while
> discussing a political topic. These terms are supposed to shift attention
> away from the political topic and instead turn the discussion into a
> personal one, where some person then mocks on another person involved in
> the debate.
> 
> After these supposedly legitimate psychology terms are used, the debate
> often then breaks down into derogatory namecalling with the hope of
> completely shifting attention away from the political topic.
> 
> Of course, none of this works when people ignore psychology terms
> completely.  It's really unnecessary for someone to even point out the
> foolishness of such terms within a political discussion, because most
> people are now simply ignoring such psychology terms along with the person
> who is consistently using them.

A good example is this:
<quote> THE CONSPIRACY NUT: Curt Weldon

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12054520/the_10_worst_congressmen/8

"Curt Weldon has outlived his usefulness to the country," says House
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. "He's seeing ghosts and conspiracies."
</quote>

Curt Weldon is one of the few elected officials in recent years to show
himself equal to the honor bestowed upon him by his constituents.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9007079754355711945


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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> Economics wrote:
>
>
>> The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people
>> who engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called
>> pagan atheism, and it's nothing new.

Except that normally they were theists (Armenian Massacre).  Even pagans 
(worshipping pagan deities) are [poly]theists.

>
> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.

No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this is 
probably trolling Spam too.

>
>>
>> Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
>> newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
>> relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject
>> that does interest you.

When you post in alt.politics.usa, that might be true.  When you post in 
alt.uk.law you are simply cluttering up the group with your irrelevant 
trolling Spam.  Please don't start any new threads in this group, and leave 
it for those who want to discuss items about law in the United Kingdom, or 
take your own advice and only "make relevant posts".

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
> 
> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this
> is probably trolling Spam too.

No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your "incontrovertible
evidence".  



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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
>>
>> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this
>> is probably trolling Spam too.
>
> No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your 
> "incontrovertible
> evidence".
>
>
Like numerous death camps, mass graves, film of Babi Yar, nazi plans and 
records, eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil MEP) 
including some I have met myself, and perpetrators (in particular Rudolf 
Hoess commandant of Auschwitz), documentation from the liberators (again 
some seen first hand), and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless 
list of links, but even the briefest Google will bring in thousands of 
examples - for instance a search for "nazi jew murder" gives 126,000 
starting with Wikipedia - "The Holocaust" - this brief article alone gives 
152 detailed references - now FOAD.

But then you are a troll - perhaps an evil nazi troll, or perhaps just a 
deranged sick troll - but definitely a troll.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> 
> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
> news:TdqdnT0TXt4gVBbbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>>>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
>>>
>>> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but
>>> this is probably trolling Spam too.
>>
>> No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your
>> "incontrovertible
>> evidence".
>>
>>
> Like numerous death camps,

The term "death camp" referred to the horrendous heath conditions at the
camps.  It was a lament not a design.

> mass graves,

There were some instances in which large numbers of peopled died of disease
at the camps.  Some of the pictures of mass graves which are typically
shown as resulting from extermination factories were actually taken and
known about well before the time the alleged gas chambers were allegedly in
action.  As for mass graves being verified today.  More often than not the
alleged mass graves turn out not to exists.  And then there is a question
of exactly who was raped and murdered.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/jaeger-report/eg07.shtml

"Rudolfsgnad, Banat: Serbian partisans looking into the mass grave of German
civilians which had been stripped naked and gunned down en masse during the
years 1944 to 1946" 


> film of Babi Yar,

There has been no corroboration through physical evidence for what allegedly
happened at Babi Yar.  If you are talking about Spielberg propaganda, I
don't get my history from Hollywood.  

> nazi plans and records,

Nazi records don't support the allegations. Of course you go to prison in
Germany for saying as much.  The _only_ document which clearly states any
kind of genocide plan is the fraudulent "Wannsee Protocol" which was cooked
up by the same group that gave you the UBL lucky-find confession video.

> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil 
> MEP) including some I have met myself,

And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively, the
add up to somebody is lying.  There is plenty of sworn testimony recorded
at the various IMT's which are clearly contrary to fact.  Men were put to
death on the basis of these lies, but the perjures were never prosecuted. 

> and perpetrators (in particular Rudolf Hoess commandant of Auschwitz),

Confession under torture is not a valid source.

> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),

Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?  How about the reports of Jewish
families being exterminated at Dachau?  

> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,

Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death trying
to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.

> but even the briefest Google will bring in 
> thousands of examples - for instance a search for "nazi jew murder" gives
> 126,000 starting with Wikipedia - "The Holocaust" - this brief article
> alone gives 152 detailed references - now FOAD.
> 
> But then you are a troll - perhaps an evil nazi troll, or perhaps just a
> deranged sick troll - but definitely a troll.

And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to uphold
it is a lie.
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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message

>> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil
>> MEP) including some I have met myself,
>
> And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively, the
> add up to somebody is lying.


>> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),
>
> Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?

No typed up by a British Army Major and presented by his son to the Jewish 
Museum in Manchester.

>> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,
>
> Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death 
> trying
> to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.
>
snip

> And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
> different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to 
> uphold
> it is a lie.

You need to tell your psychiatrist about your delusions and get them to cut 
off your internet access from the asylum - you are not ready to participate 
in normal society yet - not even news groups.

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
>
> >> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil
> >> MEP) including some I have met myself,
> >
> > And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively,
the
> > add up to somebody is lying.
>
>
> >> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),
> >
> > Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?
>
> No typed up by a British Army Major and presented by his son to the Jewish
> Museum in Manchester.
>
> >> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,
> >
> > Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death
> > trying
> > to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.
> >
> snip
>
> > And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
> > different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to
> > uphold
> > it is a lie.
>
> You need to tell your psychiatrist about your delusions and get them to
cut
> off your internet access from the asylum - you are not ready to
participate
> in normal society yet - not even news groups.

It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist. This is private
under the Privacy Act.  The reason why it's illegal, is because if people
are allowed to mock on others who may see a psychiatrist, or harass someone
because they are on psychiatric medication, then nobody will go to
psychologists anymore, for fear of being harassed or mocked on. And no one
will take psychiatric medication for fear of being harassed, publicly
ridiculed, or similar.

The two most common reasons why a person goes into a mental health facility
is because someone close to them died recently, or the person was in a car
crash within the past year, where that person goes many days straight
without sleep while worrying and crying, etc.  This serious sleep loss
causes extreme over-exhaustion and malnourishment, reducing the body's
electrolytes to a minimum. The way to recover is with medication and good
bed rest, which is what a psychiatric facility is for.

If a person mocks on someone who may see a psychiatrist or who may be on
psychiatric medication, he is basically saying to everyone else "Hey look,
if you seek help for some serious problems, you can be harassed and mocked
on".

This is why it's illegal to do that.

"Economics"  wrote in message

>
> It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist.

No this is a alt.uk.law, which you and the other person keep Spamming to. 
The UK does not have a "Privacy Act" so

>
> This is why it's
NOT
> illegal to do that.
>
>
In this particular case my assessment that the poster was being compulsorily 
detained was probably true, and certainly fair and reasonable comment in the 
public interest.  If he isn't s/he probably should be.

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  wrote in message
>
> >
> > It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist.
>
> No this is a alt.uk.law, which you and the other person keep Spamming to.
> The UK does not have a "Privacy Act" so
>
> >
> > This is why it's
> NOT
> > illegal to do that.
> >
> >
> In this particular case my assessment that the poster was being
compulsorily
> detained was probably true, and certainly fair and reasonable comment in
the
> public interest.  If he isn't s/he probably should be.
>

Very funny. LOL  Because that poster said something you disagreed with? That
means he should be incarcerated in a psychiatric ward?  LOL

Very funny. But if that nonsensical form of debating is what Britain is
coming to, after allowing tons of cheap foreign imports to arrive, shutting
down UK manufacturing, causing great unemployment and a skyrocketing British
national debt, then some serious changes need to take place in Britain.

I think you guys in Britian were doing much better when the monarchy had
greater powers. The idea of simply letting more money slosh around in
Britain to lend to people to "do whatever they feel like, willy nilly" so as
to ring up more debt, is destined to fail.

As the royals are now looking into Catholicism as the more sensible church,
Britain would do well granting more powers to the royals again. Surely they
will do a much better job at running Britain than the money lending banks
are right now.

"Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in 
message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
>
> Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>
> Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>
>
>

Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via the 
internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have 
existed...


PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the back 
side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the

Those agencies you mention are pretty much defunct now as being able to
protect America and Americans.  A lot of people in America are privately
saying a revolution is coming down the pipeline.

> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>
>

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the
> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>

Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling the
other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
it, not the person it's being said about.

The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily investigate
and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.

The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;

#1. USE HONEST INVESTIGATORS
The investigator must himself be completely honest. This is because when a
person lies he becomes less able to see what is true and real himself. When
a person is completely honest, he can much more easily see what is real and
true. Lying confuses the person lying more than anyone else.

#2. EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTABLE
No alcohol, drugs, chemicals, illness or disease can make a person break the
law or commit a crime. Every person knows exactly what he is doing. In a
corruption case, the corrupt people involved often toss around confusing
psychiatric terms at the victims and witnesses of the corruption.

#3. IGNORE ALL PSYCHOLOGY TERMS
Ignore all psychology terms you may hear. In corruption cases, these are
often tossed around hoping to confuse the investigation. In fact, the people
tossing around psychology terms the most are usually the ones involved in
the corruption, or are helping to cover up the corruption.

#4. GRAND JURIES
Corruption cases invariably involve making up lies and spreading them. Also,
in getting innocent people to inadvertently repeat those lies. Therefore,
grand juries must be convened where people connected with the case are
forced to answer honestly under oath. Don't be scared to subpeana people who
don't know anything about the case, but who simply have been repeating
defamation or lies about a key witness or subject of the grand jury.  You do
not ask people of they want to testify. You subpoena them and force them to
testify, like the Constitution requires.

#5. LIE DETECTOR TESTS
Lie detector tests must be given. The more the better. Those people who
refuse to take a lie detector test, are the people to begin investigating
more closely. These are the people who need to come in to the grand jury and
be forced to testify.

#6. LOOK FOR MONEY BEING SPREAD AROUND
One key element in a corruption case is the spreading around of money. What
may seem to be money being given to "help someone" or "to see if the guy is
okay" is very often simply a way of setting up a money route to spread lies
and defamation about a witness or victim. All grand jury questions and lie
detector test questions should involve asking if the person ever received
any money with regards to the person in question, or for that person, or for
any reason involving that person. And whatever innocent excuse is revealed
as being the reason, most often the money is simply being used to get
information on that victim or witness in order to defame or suppress the
testimony of that victim or witness.

#7. PROSECUTE FOR LIES
Be ready to prosecute anyone who lies during questioning. The charge is
Obstruction of Justice
US CODE - TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73-OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_73.html

And, make it known to these people beforehand, that they will be charged
with obstruction if they lie. Before questioning them, tell them how many
years in prison they will get if they lie. Be firm and honest. Don't use any
investigators who themselves lie once in a while, or who have loose sex, or
sex with prostitutes.

#8. FAKE SUICIDE TO THROW OFF INVESTIGATION
In serious corruption cases, there may be a suicide or two. Do not let this
obstruct the investigation in any way. Often times, the corrupt elements
hope that a suicide will stop a corruption investigation. They may even make
up a fake story about someone committing suicide and toss that story around,
hoping it will startle or thwart younger investigators.  Ignore it. The
stories of suicide are often completely fake. Or, they find some real
suicide in the newspaper, then falsely try to make it look like that person
was involved or was close friends with someone involved in the corruption
case.

#9. LEVELS OF DEFAMATION MADE AGAINST WITNESSES AND VICTIMS
Harassment and defamation against witnesses and victims during a corruption
case is standard procedure. It is to be expected. In fact, if some guy is
talking about a supposed corruption but no one is saying anything about that
guy (no defamation or calling him crazy) then there usually is little or no
corruption that occurred. However, if serious defamation is seen on a guy
reporting some corruption, then the corruption is usually real and serious.
The amount of defamation being made on someone who reports corruption is
usually equal to the seriousness of the corruption.  No defamation often
means no corruption. Loads of defamation, especially crazy terms like
insane, nutcase and psychology terms usually means lots of corruption.

#10. QUICK INVESTIGATIONS
Move quickly with a corruption investigation. You cannot let it linger for
months and months. If its a serious corruption case involving officials,
policemen, or wealthy CEOs, they have a tendency and apparent ability to get
all your investigative information every few months. Meaning, that they will
have all your witnesses names, the events that occurred, any affidavits you
have, etc, every month or so. If the corrupt people have money and political
influence, the witness list allows them to do things like give those
witnesses jobs, where they can then tamper with those witnesses by spreading
lies to them to confuse things, even to make the corrupt offenses seem fake,
as if a joke. Then when you go back to talk to these important witnesses,
don't be surprised if they are intimidated, scared, have changed their
testimony because they are now confused. Or these witnesses now think it was
all a joke because several people at the new job have been joking about a
similar offense, except they say it was fictional and all a joke (people
just goofing around).  You can actually call those people in to the grand
jury to have thems explain who told them to say make those joking
statements.

Written by Tim

"Economics"  spammed on in message
> "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
>> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
>> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>> >
snip
>> >
>> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>> >
>> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>> >
>> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> the
>> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
>> existed...
>>
>>
>> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> back
>> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar 
>> with).
>>
>
> Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling 
> the
> other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
> sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
> it, not the person it's being said about.

Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.

Evidence: -
Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed 
OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with the 
original post.

>
> The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
> studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
> to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
> although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
> JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily 
> investigate
> and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
> corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
>
> The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
>

Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago is 
of interest to government investigators, just as historians and 
psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the 
criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked 
reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their 
president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current] UK 
law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

VERDICT

You are a troll - go and spam elsewhere.










* OK so that is a diagnosis of being crazy - you got me!

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  spammed on in message
> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >> >
> snip
> >> >
> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >> >
> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> > the
> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> >> existed...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> > back
> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
> >> with).
> >>
> >
> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
> > the
> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
Honest,
> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> > simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is
saying
> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>
> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.
>
> Evidence: -
> Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed
> OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with
the
> original post.

Sounds like you are wasting your time chasing around old news posts you may
not be interested in anyway.

To enlighten you slightly, newsgroups are for various topics and subjects to
be tossed around. Often these topics too complex, or perhaps somewhat
unnerving, rendering them to be topics we generally don't speak about with
the average person in real life. So, we use the newsgroups anonymously to
toss around, look at, and discuss various articles of some kind or another.

Because the newsgroups are international, it's better for the person to be
anonymous and to not use one's real name. And because some posters latch on
to certain subjects, making responses that do little more than distract the
issue, it's usually good for a person to change his posting name every so
often.


>
> >
> > The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are
now
> > studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows
them
> > to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage
in,
> > although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how
the
> > JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily
> > investigate
> > and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves
murder,
> > corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
> >
> > The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
> >
>
> Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago
is
> of interest to government investigators, just as historians and
> psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the
> criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Well, if we left it up to the historians and psychologists, they likely will
become confused and we won't hear the answer or reasons.

The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people who
engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called pagan
atheism, and it's nothing new.


>
> Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked
> reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their
> president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current]
UK
> law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject that
does interest you.

Economics wrote:


> The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people
> who engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called
> pagan atheism, and it's nothing new.

The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
 
> 
> Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
> newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
> relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject
> that does interest you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Zapata+JFK
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"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  spammed on in message
> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >> >
> snip
> >> >
> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >> >
> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> > the
> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> >> existed...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> > back
> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
> >> with).
> >>
> >
> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
> > the
> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
Honest,
> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> > simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is
saying
> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>
> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.

Here's another example showing why America is a corpocracy that rules
Americans, not a democracy run by the people of America;

America's corporate rulers toss people like you confusing, wacky psychology
terms like "obsessive" and "delusional". These terms are usually used on
American TV, made to seem legitimate and real, possibly even humorous. The
corpocracy then tells you to accuse other people of having these "unprovable
disorders" when you disagree with them while discussing a political topic.
These terms are supposed to shift attention away from the political topic
and instead turn the discussion into a personal one, where some person then
mocks on another person involved in the debate.

After these supposedly legitimate psychology terms are used, the debate
often then breaks down into derogatory namecalling with the hope of
completely shifting attention away from the political topic.

Of course, none of this works when people ignore psychology terms
completely.  It's really unnecessary for someone to even point out the
foolishness of such terms within a political discussion, because most people
are now simply ignoring such psychology terms along with the person who is
consistently using them.

Economics wrote:

> "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>> "Economics"  spammed on in message
>> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
>> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
>> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>> >> >
>> snip
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions
>> >> via
>> > the
>> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
>> >> existed...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
>> > back
>> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
>> >> with).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
>> > the
>> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
> Honest,
>> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see
>> > someone simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person
>> > who is
> saying
>> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>>
>> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.
> 
> Here's another example showing why America is a corpocracy that rules
> Americans, not a democracy run by the people of America;
> 
> America's corporate rulers toss people like you confusing, wacky
> psychology terms like "obsessive" and "delusional". These terms are
> usually used on American TV, made to seem legitimate and real, possibly
> even humorous. The corpocracy then tells you to accuse other people of
> having these "unprovable disorders" when you disagree with them while
> discussing a political topic. These terms are supposed to shift attention
> away from the political topic and instead turn the discussion into a
> personal one, where some person then mocks on another person involved in
> the debate.
> 
> After these supposedly legitimate psychology terms are used, the debate
> often then breaks down into derogatory namecalling with the hope of
> completely shifting attention away from the political topic.
> 
> Of course, none of this works when people ignore psychology terms
> completely.  It's really unnecessary for someone to even point out the
> foolishness of such terms within a political discussion, because most
> people are now simply ignoring such psychology terms along with the person
> who is consistently using them.

A good example is this:
<quote> THE CONSPIRACY NUT: Curt Weldon

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12054520/the_10_worst_congressmen/8

"Curt Weldon has outlived his usefulness to the country," says House
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. "He's seeing ghosts and conspiracies."
</quote>

Curt Weldon is one of the few elected officials in recent years to show
himself equal to the honor bestowed upon him by his constituents.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9007079754355711945


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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> Economics wrote:
>
>
>> The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people
>> who engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called
>> pagan atheism, and it's nothing new.

Except that normally they were theists (Armenian Massacre).  Even pagans 
(worshipping pagan deities) are [poly]theists.

>
> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.

No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this is 
probably trolling Spam too.

>
>>
>> Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
>> newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
>> relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject
>> that does interest you.

When you post in alt.politics.usa, that might be true.  When you post in 
alt.uk.law you are simply cluttering up the group with your irrelevant 
trolling Spam.  Please don't start any new threads in this group, and leave 
it for those who want to discuss items about law in the United Kingdom, or 
take your own advice and only "make relevant posts".

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
> 
> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this
> is probably trolling Spam too.

No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your "incontrovertible
evidence".  



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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
>>
>> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but this
>> is probably trolling Spam too.
>
> No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your 
> "incontrovertible
> evidence".
>
>
Like numerous death camps, mass graves, film of Babi Yar, nazi plans and 
records, eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil MEP) 
including some I have met myself, and perpetrators (in particular Rudolf 
Hoess commandant of Auschwitz), documentation from the liberators (again 
some seen first hand), and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless 
list of links, but even the briefest Google will bring in thousands of 
examples - for instance a search for "nazi jew murder" gives 126,000 
starting with Wikipedia - "The Holocaust" - this brief article alone gives 
152 detailed references - now FOAD.

But then you are a troll - perhaps an evil nazi troll, or perhaps just a 
deranged sick troll - but definitely a troll.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> 
> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
> news:TdqdnT0TXt4gVBbbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>>>> The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
>>>
>>> No it was the biggest crime and the evidence is invontovertible, but
>>> this is probably trolling Spam too.
>>
>> No.  The evidence is nonexistent.  Go ahead, produce your
>> "incontrovertible
>> evidence".
>>
>>
> Like numerous death camps,

The term "death camp" referred to the horrendous heath conditions at the
camps.  It was a lament not a design.

> mass graves,

There were some instances in which large numbers of peopled died of disease
at the camps.  Some of the pictures of mass graves which are typically
shown as resulting from extermination factories were actually taken and
known about well before the time the alleged gas chambers were allegedly in
action.  As for mass graves being verified today.  More often than not the
alleged mass graves turn out not to exists.  And then there is a question
of exactly who was raped and murdered.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/jaeger-report/eg07.shtml

"Rudolfsgnad, Banat: Serbian partisans looking into the mass grave of German
civilians which had been stripped naked and gunned down en masse during the
years 1944 to 1946" 


> film of Babi Yar,

There has been no corroboration through physical evidence for what allegedly
happened at Babi Yar.  If you are talking about Spielberg propaganda, I
don't get my history from Hollywood.  

> nazi plans and records,

Nazi records don't support the allegations. Of course you go to prison in
Germany for saying as much.  The _only_ document which clearly states any
kind of genocide plan is the fraudulent "Wannsee Protocol" which was cooked
up by the same group that gave you the UBL lucky-find confession video.

> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil 
> MEP) including some I have met myself,

And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively, the
add up to somebody is lying.  There is plenty of sworn testimony recorded
at the various IMT's which are clearly contrary to fact.  Men were put to
death on the basis of these lies, but the perjures were never prosecuted. 

> and perpetrators (in particular Rudolf Hoess commandant of Auschwitz),

Confession under torture is not a valid source.

> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),

Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?  How about the reports of Jewish
families being exterminated at Dachau?  

> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,

Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death trying
to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.

> but even the briefest Google will bring in 
> thousands of examples - for instance a search for "nazi jew murder" gives
> 126,000 starting with Wikipedia - "The Holocaust" - this brief article
> alone gives 152 detailed references - now FOAD.
> 
> But then you are a troll - perhaps an evil nazi troll, or perhaps just a
> deranged sick troll - but definitely a troll.

And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to uphold
it is a lie.
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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message

>> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil
>> MEP) including some I have met myself,
>
> And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively, the
> add up to somebody is lying.


>> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),
>
> Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?

No typed up by a British Army Major and presented by his son to the Jewish 
Museum in Manchester.

>> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,
>
> Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death 
> trying
> to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.
>
snip

> And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
> different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to 
> uphold
> it is a lie.

You need to tell your psychiatrist about your delusions and get them to cut 
off your internet access from the asylum - you are not ready to participate 
in normal society yet - not even news groups.

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
>
> >> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil
> >> MEP) including some I have met myself,
> >
> > And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively,
the
> > add up to somebody is lying.
>
>
> >> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),
> >
> > Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?
>
> No typed up by a British Army Major and presented by his son to the Jewish
> Museum in Manchester.
>
> >> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,
> >
> > Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death
> > trying
> > to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.
> >
> snip
>
> > And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
> > different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to
> > uphold
> > it is a lie.
>
> You need to tell your psychiatrist about your delusions and get them to
cut
> off your internet access from the asylum - you are not ready to
participate
> in normal society yet - not even news groups.

It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist. This is private
under the Privacy Act.  The reason why it's illegal, is because if people
are allowed to mock on others who may see a psychiatrist, or harass someone
because they are on psychiatric medication, then nobody will go to
psychologists anymore, for fear of being harassed or mocked on. And no one
will take psychiatric medication for fear of being harassed, publicly
ridiculed, or similar.

The two most common reasons why a person goes into a mental health facility
is because someone close to them died recently, or the person was in a car
crash within the past year, where that person goes many days straight
without sleep while worrying and crying, etc.  This serious sleep loss
causes extreme over-exhaustion and malnourishment, reducing the body's
electrolytes to a minimum. The way to recover is with medication and good
bed rest, which is what a psychiatric facility is for.

If a person mocks on someone who may see a psychiatrist or who may be on
psychiatric medication, he is basically saying to everyone else "Hey look,
if you seek help for some serious problems, you can be harassed and mocked
on".

This is why it's illegal to do that.

"Economics"  wrote in message

>
> It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist.

No this is a alt.uk.law, which you and the other person keep Spamming to. 
The UK does not have a "Privacy Act" so

>
> This is why it's
NOT
> illegal to do that.
>
>
In this particular case my assessment that the poster was being compulsorily 
detained was probably true, and certainly fair and reasonable comment in the 
public interest.  If he isn't s/he probably should be.

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  wrote in message
>
> >
> > It is illegal to speak about anyone going to a psychiatrist.
>
> No this is a alt.uk.law, which you and the other person keep Spamming to.
> The UK does not have a "Privacy Act" so
>
> >
> > This is why it's
> NOT
> > illegal to do that.
> >
> >
> In this particular case my assessment that the poster was being
compulsorily
> detained was probably true, and certainly fair and reasonable comment in
the
> public interest.  If he isn't s/he probably should be.
>

Very funny. LOL  Because that poster said something you disagreed with? That
means he should be incarcerated in a psychiatric ward?  LOL

Very funny. But if that nonsensical form of debating is what Britain is
coming to, after allowing tons of cheap foreign imports to arrive, shutting
down UK manufacturing, causing great unemployment and a skyrocketing British
national debt, then some serious changes need to take place in Britain.

I think you guys in Britian were doing much better when the monarchy had
greater powers. The idea of simply letting more money slosh around in
Britain to lend to people to "do whatever they feel like, willy nilly" so as
to ring up more debt, is destined to fail.

As the royals are now looking into Catholicism as the more sensible church,
Britain would do well granting more powers to the royals again. Surely they
will do a much better job at running Britain than the money lending banks
are right now.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> 
> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
> 
>>> eye witness accounts of victims (in particular Mme Simone Veil
>>> MEP) including some I have met myself,
>>
>> And if you take all of these alleged eyewitness accounts collectively,
>> the add up to somebody is lying.
> 
> 
>>> documentation from the liberators (again some seen first hand),
>>
>> Ginned up by US and Soviet psyop units?
> 
> No typed up by a British Army Major and presented by his son to the Jewish
> Museum in Manchester.

Wouldn't surprise me.  As I understand things, Hitler used the British as
his model for successful propaganda warfare.  

>>> and no I am not going to give you a nearly endless list of links,
>>
>> Just don't link to garbage such as nizkor.  One could starve to death
>> trying
>> to find a shred of verifiable evidence there.
>>
> snip
> 
>> And anybody in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, etc., who says
>> different is put in prison.  A truth that needs the force of arms to
>> uphold
>> it is a lie.
> 
> You need to tell your psychiatrist about your delusions and get them to
> cut off your internet access from the asylum - you are not ready to
> participate in normal society yet - not even news groups.

The typical balanced and reasoned response.

http://www.rense.com/general68/jistor.htm

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Economics wrote:

> As the royals are now looking into Catholicism as the more sensible
> church, Britain would do well granting more powers to the royals again.
> Surely they will do a much better job at running Britain than the money
> lending banks are right now.

Ooooow!  What you said!  Anybody, in particular, in mind? 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=EO+11110

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"Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in 
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> JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
>
> Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>
> Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>
> http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>
>
>

Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via the 
internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have 
existed...


PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the back 
side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the

Those agencies you mention are pretty much defunct now as being able to
protect America and Americans.  A lot of people in America are privately
saying a revolution is coming down the pipeline.

> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>
>

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
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>
> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture1.mp3
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jg67lecture2.mp3
> >
> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >
> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >
> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
the
> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> existed...
>
>
> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
back
> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar with).
>

Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling the
other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
it, not the person it's being said about.

The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily investigate
and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.

The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;

#1. USE HONEST INVESTIGATORS
The investigator must himself be completely honest. This is because when a
person lies he becomes less able to see what is true and real himself. When
a person is completely honest, he can much more easily see what is real and
true. Lying confuses the person lying more than anyone else.

#2. EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTABLE
No alcohol, drugs, chemicals, illness or disease can make a person break the
law or commit a crime. Every person knows exactly what he is doing. In a
corruption case, the corrupt people involved often toss around confusing
psychiatric terms at the victims and witnesses of the corruption.

#3. IGNORE ALL PSYCHOLOGY TERMS
Ignore all psychology terms you may hear. In corruption cases, these are
often tossed around hoping to confuse the investigation. In fact, the people
tossing around psychology terms the most are usually the ones involved in
the corruption, or are helping to cover up the corruption.

#4. GRAND JURIES
Corruption cases invariably involve making up lies and spreading them. Also,
in getting innocent people to inadvertently repeat those lies. Therefore,
grand juries must be convened where people connected with the case are
forced to answer honestly under oath. Don't be scared to subpeana people who
don't know anything about the case, but who simply have been repeating
defamation or lies about a key witness or subject of the grand jury.  You do
not ask people of they want to testify. You subpoena them and force them to
testify, like the Constitution requires.

#5. LIE DETECTOR TESTS
Lie detector tests must be given. The more the better. Those people who
refuse to take a lie detector test, are the people to begin investigating
more closely. These are the people who need to come in to the grand jury and
be forced to testify.

#6. LOOK FOR MONEY BEING SPREAD AROUND
One key element in a corruption case is the spreading around of money. What
may seem to be money being given to "help someone" or "to see if the guy is
okay" is very often simply a way of setting up a money route to spread lies
and defamation about a witness or victim. All grand jury questions and lie
detector test questions should involve asking if the person ever received
any money with regards to the person in question, or for that person, or for
any reason involving that person. And whatever innocent excuse is revealed
as being the reason, most often the money is simply being used to get
information on that victim or witness in order to defame or suppress the
testimony of that victim or witness.

#7. PROSECUTE FOR LIES
Be ready to prosecute anyone who lies during questioning. The charge is
Obstruction of Justice
US CODE - TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73-OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_73.html

And, make it known to these people beforehand, that they will be charged
with obstruction if they lie. Before questioning them, tell them how many
years in prison they will get if they lie. Be firm and honest. Don't use any
investigators who themselves lie once in a while, or who have loose sex, or
sex with prostitutes.

#8. FAKE SUICIDE TO THROW OFF INVESTIGATION
In serious corruption cases, there may be a suicide or two. Do not let this
obstruct the investigation in any way. Often times, the corrupt elements
hope that a suicide will stop a corruption investigation. They may even make
up a fake story about someone committing suicide and toss that story around,
hoping it will startle or thwart younger investigators.  Ignore it. The
stories of suicide are often completely fake. Or, they find some real
suicide in the newspaper, then falsely try to make it look like that person
was involved or was close friends with someone involved in the corruption
case.

#9. LEVELS OF DEFAMATION MADE AGAINST WITNESSES AND VICTIMS
Harassment and defamation against witnesses and victims during a corruption
case is standard procedure. It is to be expected. In fact, if some guy is
talking about a supposed corruption but no one is saying anything about that
guy (no defamation or calling him crazy) then there usually is little or no
corruption that occurred. However, if serious defamation is seen on a guy
reporting some corruption, then the corruption is usually real and serious.
The amount of defamation being made on someone who reports corruption is
usually equal to the seriousness of the corruption.  No defamation often
means no corruption. Loads of defamation, especially crazy terms like
insane, nutcase and psychology terms usually means lots of corruption.

#10. QUICK INVESTIGATIONS
Move quickly with a corruption investigation. You cannot let it linger for
months and months. If its a serious corruption case involving officials,
policemen, or wealthy CEOs, they have a tendency and apparent ability to get
all your investigative information every few months. Meaning, that they will
have all your witnesses names, the events that occurred, any affidavits you
have, etc, every month or so. If the corrupt people have money and political
influence, the witness list allows them to do things like give those
witnesses jobs, where they can then tamper with those witnesses by spreading
lies to them to confuse things, even to make the corrupt offenses seem fake,
as if a joke. Then when you go back to talk to these important witnesses,
don't be surprised if they are intimidated, scared, have changed their
testimony because they are now confused. Or these witnesses now think it was
all a joke because several people at the new job have been joking about a
similar offense, except they say it was fictional and all a joke (people
just goofing around).  You can actually call those people in to the grand
jury to have thems explain who told them to say make those joking
statements.

Written by Tim

"Economics"  spammed on in message
> "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
>> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
>> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
>> >
snip
>> >
>> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
>> >
>> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
>> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
>> >
>> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
>> >
>> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> the
>> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
>> existed...
>>
>>
>> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> back
>> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar 
>> with).
>>
>
> Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling 
> the
> other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet. Honest,
> sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is saying
> it, not the person it's being said about.

Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.

Evidence: -
Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed 
OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with the 
original post.

>
> The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are now
> studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows them
> to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage in,
> although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how the
> JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily 
> investigate
> and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves murder,
> corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
>
> The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
>

Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago is 
of interest to government investigators, just as historians and 
psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the 
criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked 
reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their 
president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current] UK 
law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

VERDICT

You are a troll - go and spam elsewhere.










* OK so that is a diagnosis of being crazy - you got me!

"R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
news:7LWdnQxGKOYUjhfbnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Economics"  spammed on in message
> > "R. Mark Clayton"  wrote in message
> >> "Economics"  "the troll in a timewarp" trolled in
> >> message news:DNmdnURAuNorZRjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > JFK assassination of 1963 explained
> >> >
> snip
> >> >
> >> > Jim Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 1)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson1.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Garrison on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
> >> > January 31, 1968 (Part 2)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.jfk-online.com/jgcarson2.mp3
> >> >
> >> Gosh if only the FBI, CIA and NSA had known you would tell billions via
> > the
> >> internet, they would have cancelled Arpanet and it would never have
> >> existed...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS They used Apollo 8 in December 1968 to hide all the evidence on the
> > back
> >> side of the moon (as opposed to the dark side that you are familiar
> >> with).
> >>
> >
> > Also, this retarded little manner of debating a topic by simply calling
> > the
> > other person "crazy" is completely worn out now over the Internet.
Honest,
> > sensible people are looking at real facts now, and when they see someone
> > simply "calling another person crazy" they ignore the person who is
saying
> > it, not the person it's being said about.
>
> Hey did I say you were crazy?  No merely an obsessive and delusional*.
>
> Evidence: -
> Half a dozen posts spammed accross multiple news groups, some with spoofed
> OP details and tellingingly replying immediately to your own posts with
the
> original post.

Sounds like you are wasting your time chasing around old news posts you may
not be interested in anyway.

To enlighten you slightly, newsgroups are for various topics and subjects to
be tossed around. Often these topics too complex, or perhaps somewhat
unnerving, rendering them to be topics we generally don't speak about with
the average person in real life. So, we use the newsgroups anonymously to
toss around, look at, and discuss various articles of some kind or another.

Because the newsgroups are international, it's better for the person to be
anonymous and to not use one's real name. And because some posters latch on
to certain subjects, making responses that do little more than distract the
issue, it's usually good for a person to change his posting name every so
often.


>
> >
> > The reason why more law enforcement organizations around the world are
now
> > studying the JFK assassination with such depth is because this allows
them
> > to track and counter similar such events the US government may engage
in,
> > although on a smaller scale. In fact, when an investigator learns how
the
> > JFK assassination was basically carried out, he can then easily
> > investigate
> > and solve any kind of smaller incident that occurs which involves
murder,
> > corruption, patseys, pay-offs, and government suppressing of witnesses.
> >
> > The basics of investigating and countering government corruption;
> >
>
> Well I suppose study of the actions of regimes nearly half a century ago
is
> of interest to government investigators, just as historians and
> psychologists pore over the Wansee Conference to try and understand the
> criminality of mind required to participate in genocide.

Well, if we left it up to the historians and psychologists, they likely will
become confused and we won't hear the answer or reasons.

The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people who
engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called pagan
atheism, and it's nothing new.


>
> Whether the general readership of alt.uk.law thinks that the panicked
> reactions and bungling of the US government to the assassination of their
> president 44 years ago is relevant to discussions about [usually current]
UK
> law is another matter, but personally I very much doubt it.

Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject that
does interest you.

Economics wrote:


> The Christian clergy understood exactly what the mentality is of people
> who engage in genocide, even before the holocaust took place. It's called
> pagan atheism, and it's nothing new.

The Holocaust(tm) is the biggest lie in all of history.
 
> 
> Possibly, but it's not up to you to decide whether other people on the
> newsgroups want to read about JFK's assassination. You are free to make
> relevant posts about the JFK subject, or move on to a different subject
> that does interest you.

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