The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 
Organisers of the event say that the Arrows military background might
be 'offensive' to other countries taking part in the Games. The
display team have performed at more than 4000 events worldwide, but
the Department of Culture, Media and Sport have deemed the display
team 'too militaristically British.' Red Arrows pilots were said to be
'outraged', as they had hoped to put on a truly world class display
for the Games, something which had never been seen before. Being axed
from a British-based event for being 'too British' is an insult - the
Arrows are a symbol of Britain . 

The Red Arrows have been excellent ambassadors for British overseas
trade, as they display their British-built Hawk aircraft all over the
world. 

The Arrows performed a short flypast in 2005 when the winning bid was
announced, but their flypast at the Games was to have been truly
spectacular. 

It is to be hoped that common sense prevails. 

If you disagree with this decision, 
sign the petition on the link 

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/RedArrows2012/?ref=redArrows2012
<http://petitions.pm.gov.uk%20/RedArrows2012/?ref=redArrows2012>

In article ,
Joe Curry   wrote:

>The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 

Ever thought of moving to London?

-- Richard
-- 
In the selection of the two characters immediately succeeding the numeral 9,
consideration shall be given to their replacement by the graphics 10 and 11 to
facilitate the adoption of the code in the sterling monetary area. (X3.4-1963)

Joe Curry wrote:

> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 

Hands up who /gives/ a toss.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

In article , 
forename.surname@geemail.com says...
> Joe Curry wrote:
> 
> > The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> > 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 
> 
> Hands up who /gives/ a toss.

Quite a few `celebs` "gave a toss" re his last petition/attention seeking 
promotion.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Scottishairports/

On 4 Jun, 20:52, Joe Curry  wrote:
> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.

Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
missiles.

Ian

"Ian"  wrote in message 
news:8600b94d-9253-4742-a4db-1690069f6421@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Jun, 20:52, Joe Curry  wrote:
>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.
>
> Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
> considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
> the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
> missiles.
>
> Ian

Wot no missile displays? Best set up a petition...

C

Joe Curry  wrote in 
news:nbsd44tr0f7dj7i9p41r33jjrg3rmtmq42@4ax.com:

> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 

Old, non-news.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/15/red_arrows_rumpus/

Do try to keep up.

-- 
Graeme

On 4 Jun 2008 20:30:00 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
wrote:


>>The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>>2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 

>Ever thought of moving to London?

And miss the Red Arrow visits to Edinburgh Airport? :-)

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:20:47 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:


>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 

>Hands up who /gives/ a toss.

Over 500,000 on the petition so far?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:59:35 +0100, Jim Mason
 wrote:


>> Hands up who /gives/ a toss.

>Quite a few `celebs` "gave a toss" re his last petition/attention seeking 
>promotion.

Oh dear..Do you ever give up with this vendetta of yours?
It can lead to impotence and hair loss? :-)

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT), Ian
 wrote:

>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.

>Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
>considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
>the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
>missiles.

Red Arrows are warplanes? :(

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:26:45 +0100, "Clive"
 wrote:


>Wot no missile displays? Best set up a petition...

It is a petition..

In article ,
 Joe Curry  writes:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT), Ian
>  wrote:
> 
> >> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> >> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.
> 
> >Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
> >considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
> >the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
> >missiles.
> 
> Red Arrows are warplanes?

Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.  There's a
whole genre of such aircraft out there.
-- 
SAm.

In message , Sam Nelson
 writes
>In article ,
> Joe Curry  writes:

>>
>> Red Arrows are warplanes?
>
>Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
>is nearer the mark.
>  There's a
>whole genre of such aircraft out there.

 Even the Tucano turboprop trainer has got hardpoints to carry
Sidewinders and freefall bombs.

 The father of a friend of mine was in the Red Arrows at the end of his
RAF career -- it's a lollipop for flight instructors and long-serving
pilots who will be retiring soon. When he died the then-current Red
Arrows team flew missing-man at his funeral.
-- 
 To reply, my gmail address is nojay1              Robert Sneddon

In article ,
 Joe Curry  wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT), Ian
>  wrote:
> 
> >> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> >> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.
> 
> >Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
> >considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
> >the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
> >missiles.
> 
> Red Arrows are warplanes? :(

Hawks are.

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/20/politics.indonesia>

Sam

In ed.general Ian  wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 20:52, Joe Curry  wrote:
>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.

> Rubbish. They haven't been invited because the Olympic Games are not
> considered a suitable occasion for a display of military flying. Even
> the Chinese (probably) won;t open their games with a parade of cruise
> missiles.

OK, you got me: I would definitely watch that.

FoFP

In ed.general Sam Nelson  wrote:

> They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
> is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
> with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.

heh. The Night of the Hawks. 

FoFP

In article ,
 Robert Sneddon  writes:
>  The father of a friend of mine was in the Red Arrows at the end of his
> RAF career -- it's a lollipop for flight instructors and long-serving
> pilots who will be retiring soon. When he died the then-current Red
> Arrows team flew missing-man at his funeral.

Much respect.  As they say.
-- 
SAm.

On 5 Jun, 09:34, s...@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:

> Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
> is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
> with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.  There's a> whole genre of such aircraft out there.

Perhaps most (in)famously used by the Indonesians to kill civilians in
East Timor.

Perhaps the Crunchie wing-walking team could perform instead?

Ian

In article <ee51f222-3f97-4509-b807-
e7255915f0ba@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, ian.groups@btinternet.com says.> On 5 Jun, 09:34, s...@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:
> 
> > Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
> > is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
> > with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.  There's a
> > whole genre of such aircraft out there.
> 
> Perhaps most (in)famously used by the Indonesians to kill civilians in
> East Timor.
> 
> Perhaps the Crunchie wing-walking team could perform instead?
> 
> Ian
> 

Or this lot?

http://www.redbarrows.com/


-- 
Halmyre

That's you that is.

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:34:58 +0100, sam@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:


>> Red Arrows are warplanes?

>Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
>is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
>with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.  There's a
>whole genre of such aircraft out there.

Strafe populations Sam?

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:55:36 +0100, Halmyre <no.spam@this.address>
wrote:

>> Perhaps the Crunchie wing-walking team could perform instead?

>Or this lot?

>http://www.redbarrows.com/


They could be 'English'? :-(

Joe Curry wrote:

>>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
>>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 
> 
>> Hands up who /gives/ a toss.
> 
> Over 500,000 on the petition so far?

Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 
Do you think the Daily Mail sells copy because it contains great 
examples of the journalistic art?

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

In article , 
forename.surname@geemail.com says...
> Joe Curry wrote:
> 
> >>> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> >>> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'. 
> > 
> >> Hands up who /gives/ a toss.
> > 
> > Over 500,000 on the petition so far?
> 
> Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
> in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
> reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 

I think you have correctly assessed the OP

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:42:04 +0100, Jim Mason
 wrote:


>> Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
>> in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
>> reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 

>I think you have correctly assessed the OP

The petitioner for the Red Arrows? You have a vendetta out for him
too?

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:46:47 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:


>> Over 500,000 on the petition so far?

>Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
>in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
>reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 

I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

In article ,
Joe Curry   wrote:

>I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

Who?

-- Richard



-- 
In the selection of the two characters immediately succeeding the numeral 9,
consideration shall be given to their replacement by the graphics 10 and 11 to
facilitate the adoption of the code in the sterling monetary area. (X3.4-1963)

In article <g29kik$121$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk 
says...
> In article ,
> Joe Curry   wrote:
> 
> >I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?
> 
> Who?

He was the founder member of the idiotic usenet post-booting network.

In article ,
Jim Mason   wrote:

>> >I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

>> Who?

>He was the founder member of the idiotic usenet post-booting network.

Post-booting?

The Scottish alt groups must be a whole different world.

-- Richard



-- 
In the selection of the two characters immediately succeeding the numeral 9,
consideration shall be given to their replacement by the graphics 10 and 11 to
facilitate the adoption of the code in the sterling monetary area. (X3.4-1963)

Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article ,
> Jim Mason   wrote:
> 
>>>> I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?
> 
>>> Who?
> 
>> He was the founder member of the idiotic usenet post-booting network.
> 
> Post-booting?

Probably post-boosting :-)  My group is busier than yours meaning ;-)

> 
> The Scottish alt groups must be a whole different world.
> 
> -- Richard
> 
> 
> 

Charles

-- 
Please remove _removeme_ to reply.

On 4 Jun., 20:52, Joe Curry  wrote:
> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.

"Don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers!"
http://tinyurl.com/3ajoer

"smir"  wrote in message 
news:e830e287-d7b8-4ab9-92ff-d478794d59f6@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Jun., 20:52, Joe Curry  wrote:
> The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the
> 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed 'too British'.

>"Don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers!"
>http://tinyurl.com/3ajoer

Whether they fly or not, I think the Red Arrows are great, easily the best 
in the world at what they do and one of few remaining things Britons can be 
proud of, unlike the current shenanigans in Iraq and Afghanistan caused 
solely by politicians.

Yes, they exist purely to show off our military prowess and perhaps attract 
people to the RAF, but I'd rather have more of the defence budget spent on 
that than the billions secreted away on various doomsday devices.

Z

In article <g2auf9$i3j$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Zimmy <x@y.z> wrote:

>Whether they fly or not, I think the Red Arrows are great, easily the best 
>in the world at what they do

Very likely.  But "what they do" is no more interesting than
synchronised swimming, just a bit more dangerous.

-- Richard
-- 
In the selection of the two characters immediately succeeding the numeral 9,
consideration shall be given to their replacement by the graphics 10 and 11 to
facilitate the adoption of the code in the sterling monetary area. (X3.4-1963)

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
news:g2b0hc$f13$2@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
| In article <g2auf9$i3j$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Zimmy <x@y.z> wrote:
|
| >Whether they fly or not, I think the Red Arrows are great, easily the 
best
| >in the world at what they do
|
| Very likely.  But "what they do" is no more interesting than
| synchronised swimming, just a bit more dangerous.
|
Well, if they fit afterburners to the SycroSplashers, and trailing smoke 
cartridges, and got them to swim at 200knots, I'd agree...

I suppose we could record the splashers at high speed - more excitement, and 
it's quicker too - everyone's a winner....

pOB

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
news:g2b0hc$f13$2@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article <g2auf9$i3j$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Zimmy <x@y.z> wrote:
>
>>Whether they fly or not, I think the Red Arrows are great, easily the best
>>in the world at what they do
>
> Very likely.  But "what they do" is no more interesting than
> synchronised swimming, just a bit more dangerous.

Not if you removed the swimmer's nose-clips ;-)

IMHO its the danger that makes it interesting to watch, but speed, noise and 
scale play their parts too.

Z

In article ,
 Joe Curry  writes:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:34:58 +0100, sam@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:
> 
> 
> >> Red Arrows are warplanes?
> 
> >Absolutely.  They call it an `advanced jet trainer', but `budget combat jet'
> >is nearer the mark.  Its SP has always been that if you're a dodgy regime
> >with an uppity population to strafe, gotta getta Hawk or six.  There's a
> >whole genre of such aircraft out there.
> 
> Strafe populations Sam?

Not recently, no.
-- 
SAm.

On 5 Jun 2008 21:07:32 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
wrote:


>>I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

>Who?

The pub is in Easter Road..highly recommended. :-)

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:20:05 +0100, Jim Mason
 wrote:


>> >I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

>> Who?

>He was the founder member of the idiotic usenet post-booting network.

Really? You must not degrade yourself..

On 5 Jun 2008 22:27:29 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
wrote:


>Post-booting?

>The Scottish alt groups must be a whole different world.

Full of usenet gangs.. bullies..personal abusers..stalkers pursuing
personal vendettas.. one could write a script about it..

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:53:41 +0100, "Charles C."
 wrote:


>Probably post-boosting :-)  My group is busier than yours meaning ;-)

>> The Scottish alt groups must be a whole different world.

Gang culture...

Joe Curry wrote:

>>> Over 500,000 on the petition so far?
> 
>> Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
>> in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
>> reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 
> 
> I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

Can someone translate this slaverish gibberish for me please? It's not 
even a sentence.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Zimmy wrote:

> Yes, they exist purely to show off our military prowess and perhaps attract 
> people to the RAF, but I'd rather have more of the defence budget spent on 
> that than the billions secreted away on various doomsday devices.

What sort of tin helmet do you wear in bed?

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Richard Tobin wrote:

>> Whether they fly or not, I think the Red Arrows are great, easily the best 
>> in the world at what they do
> 
> Very likely.  But "what they do" is no more interesting than
> synchronised swimming, just a bit more dangerous.

And maybe less useful.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:38:57 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:


>> I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?

>Can someone translate this slaverish gibberish for me please? It's not 
>even a sentence.

A couple of hours in Jock Tamsons should do it! :-)

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:40:34 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:

>Zimmy wrote:

>> Yes, they exist purely to show off our military prowess and perhaps attract 
>> people to the RAF, but I'd rather have more of the defence budget spent on 
>> that than the billions secreted away on various doomsday devices.

>What sort of tin helmet do you wear in bed?

The Black Cat Factory variety?

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:41:00 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:


>> Very likely.  But "what they do" is no more interesting than
>> synchronised swimming, just a bit more dangerous.

>And maybe less useful.

Aerobatic skills are less useful?

Joe Curry wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:38:57 +0100, Mike Dickson
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?
> 
>> Can someone translate this slaverish gibberish for me please? It's not 
>> even a sentence.
> 
> A couple of hours in Jock Tamsons should do it! :-)

Now I'm hideously confused. Am I supposed to get into someone called 
Jock Tamson? What sort oa sick weirdo are you?

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Joe Curry wrote:

>> What sort of tin helmet do you wear in bed?
> 
> The Black Cat Factory variety?

Whatever the 'Black Cat Factory' might be. Presumably a mating pair of 
black cats.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

In article , 
forename.surname@geemail.com says...
> Joe Curry wrote:
> > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:38:57 +0100, Mike Dickson
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>> I take it you are pro reactionary Jock Tamson variety?
> > 
> >> Can someone translate this slaverish gibberish for me please? It's not 
> >> even a sentence.
> > 
> > A couple of hours in Jock Tamsons should do it! :-)
> 
> Now I'm hideously confused. Am I supposed to get into someone called 
> Jock Tamson? What sort oa sick weirdo are you?

You ARE from Edinburgh?

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:21:45 +0100, Mike Dickson
 wrote:


>> A couple of hours in Jock Tamsons should do it! :-)

>Now I'm hideously confused. Am I supposed to get into someone called 
>Jock Tamson? What sort oa sick weirdo are you?

I was thinking the same about you.. Anyone with any knowledge of Leith
would know where Jock Tamson's is.. Your replies in this thread have
suddenly reminded me of who you are and why I previously had you
kill-filed...Goodbye again.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 02:39:28 +0100, Jim Mason
 wrote:


>> Now I'm hideously confused. Am I supposed to get into someone called 
>> Jock Tamson? What sort oa sick weirdo are you?

>You ARE from Edinburgh? 

If it's the same guy? Musselburgh and Leith Links?

Joe Curry wrote:

> I was thinking the same about you.. Anyone with any knowledge of Leith
> would know where Jock Tamson's is.. Your replies in this thread have
> suddenly reminded me of who you are and why I previously had you
> kill-filed...Goodbye again.

Well, my name is bit of a giveaway I suspect.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

In article , 
forename.surname@geemail.com says...
> Joe Curry wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking the same about you.. Anyone with any knowledge of Leith
> > would know where Jock Tamson's is.. Your replies in this thread have
> > suddenly reminded me of who you are and why I previously had you
> > kill-filed...Goodbye again.
> 
> Well, my name is bit of a giveaway I suspect.

Interesting that he would advocate kill-filing you Mike. Especially as he 
has been throwing hissy-fits when the droves have been kill-filing him. He 
bizarrely claims that by kill-filing him the majority are trying to censor 
his input. And now he wants to do the same to someone who has sussed him.

I truly wish he would kill-file me instead of stalking me round usenet and 
idiotically replying to EVERY single post I have made in Edinburgh and 
aviation related newsgroups.

Ironically the technical director of his ISP ended up `stalking` him in the 
groups due to his behaviour (especially re copyright theft) and caused him 
to move his account elsewhere!

"Mike Dickson"  wrote in message 
news:6atb4hF39kbevU8@mid.individual.net...
> Zimmy wrote:
>
>> Yes, they exist purely to show off our military prowess and perhaps 
>> attract people to the RAF, but I'd rather have more of the defence budget 
>> spent on that than the billions secreted away on various doomsday 
>> devices.
>
> What sort of tin helmet do you wear in bed?

Its not tin at all, its papier mache ;-)

Z

In ed.general Mike Dickson  wrote:

> Giving a toss about the Red Bloody Arrows and signing something phrased 
> in an inflammatory manner to rise the blood of red-faced Billy Britain 
> reactionary half-wits up and down the country are two different things. 
> Do you think the Daily Mail sells copy because it contains great 
> examples of the journalistic art?

Hey, lay off The Daily Mail. I've been rather enjoying their "Hillary is
a Mad Old Bat" articles recently.

FoFP

In message <g2j1iv$1j5$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes
 writes

>Hey, lay off The Daily Mail. I've been rather enjoying their "Hillary is
>a Mad Old Bat" articles recently.

 They seem to have switched their attention to Senator McCain in the
past day or two. I await with bated breath their revelations about that
young chap with the heavy tan who's also involved in the contest for
President of the Rebel States.
-- 
 To reply, my gmail address is nojay1              Robert Sneddon

In ed.general Robert Sneddon  wrote:
> In message <g2j1iv$1j5$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes
>  writes

>>Hey, lay off The Daily Mail. I've been rather enjoying their "Hillary is
>>a Mad Old Bat" articles recently.

>  They seem to have switched their attention to Senator McCain in the
> past day or two. I await with bated breath their revelations about that
> young chap with the heavy tan who's also involved in the contest for
> President of the Rebel States.

I think it's gonna get pretty dirty.  I imagine the Repugs will play the
gay marridge card again.  However there's 4 more years of Yoot who don't
much care who puts which in what hole with whom, and that's going to (heh)
queer the pitch. 

I'm hoping Obama picks a female Veep, though obviously not Hillary.
Sibelius might do.

For bonus points once he's Pres, it'd be good to make Hillary a US
diplomat to The Lebanon. It'd be a shame to waste all that experience
she built up making peace between Britain and the IRA, and after all,
she's pretty cool under sniper fire.

Sadly though, it's more likely she'll be put to building a Nationalised
Health Service in the US.

FoFP

In message <g2j6fa$1qm$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes
 writes

[Newsgroups trimmed for sanity's sake]
>I think it's gonna get pretty dirty.  I imagine the Repugs will play the
>gay marridge card again.  However there's 4 more years of Yoot who don't
>much care who puts which in what hole with whom, and that's going to (heh)
>queer the pitch.
>
>I'm hoping Obama picks a female Veep, though obviously not Hillary.
>Sibelius might do.

 I rather like the idea of Janet Napolitano as a possible VP pick. She's
youngish, "unmarried" (nudge nudge wink wink), term-limited to 2010 as
Governor of Arizona (McCain's home state) and well thought-of locally
due to balancing the State budget in recent years. It would force McCain
to have to fight for his own state's electoral votes (as Al Gore did
unsuccessfully in Tennessee in 2000) and would leave her in a strong
position in 2016 to run for Prez herself assuming Obama wins in 2008/12.
It would also kill the mutterings by the pink wing of the Democrats
about Obama not being "gay-friendly". The Republicans are going to
stroke out[0] over gay marriage anyway. It's one of the booga-boogas
they use to keep their base in line and drive them to the polls (the
Dems have Roe vs. Wade to fulfil much the same function on the left).

>For bonus points once he's Pres, it'd be good to make Hillary a US
>diplomat to The Lebanon. It'd be a shame to waste all that experience
>she built up making peace between Britain and the IRA, and after all,
>she's pretty cool under sniper fire.

 There's been some woo-woo by her supporters and detractors for her to
get a consolation prize like Senate Majority Leader (she's got nowhere
near the seniority or connections that post requires) or a Supreme Count
appointment (no judge or clerking time hence no paper trail for how
she'd deal with cases). Big problem for her is that if she goes for
something that's ratifiable by the Senate (like a Supreme Court
position) then the Republicans in the Judiciary Committee are going to
be all over Bill's financial dealings since he left the White House, and
they don't smell nice. My guess is she'll ride out Obama's first term,
get a key bit of legislation through with her name on it and then retire
in 2012 "to spend more time with her family". She'll be 64 by then
anyway and waiting another four years puts her into McCain territory as
far as age goes, and ageism is a bigger hurdle than sexism in the States
(although breathing while Black is a lot worse).

>Sadly though, it's more likely she'll be put to building a Nationalised
>Health Service in the US.

 It's gonna happen -- too many large companies with big workforces (GM
and Ford, Boeing etc.) are breaking under the strain of paying for
decent medical insurance for their peons, even with co-pays. What they
come up with will be half-assed to start with (mandatory private
insurance etc. looks to be the basis) but subject to revision until it
mostly works. I'd expect a lot of free-at-point-of-use exceptions like
kids (SCHIP), chronically ill people (Medicaid) etc. to be added to the
mix until one day they look around and it's a single-payer system de
facto with a layer of private treatment for minor ills on top.

 [0] If I could find someone to give me half-decent odds I'm willing to
put five quid on McCain infarcting or stroking before election day. He
looks like a medevac waiting to happen. It doesn't need to be fatal to
take him out of contention and it would be just like throwing chum into
the Republican Party's shark pool. I could sit back with a bucket of
popcorn bought with the winnings and enjoy the carnage.
-- 
 To reply, my gmail address is nojay1              Robert Sneddon

On 5 Jun, 09:06, Joe Curry  wrote:

> And miss the Red Arrow visits to Edinburgh Airport? :-)

There's plenty of time to train a flock of turkeys to fly over the
Millenium Tent squawking "There'll always be an England" in four-part
harmony. So there's no need for you to miss the show!

Ken Johnson

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Ken Johnson
 wrote:


>> And miss the Red Arrow visits to Edinburgh Airport? :-)

>There's plenty of time to train a flock of turkeys to fly over the
>Millenium Tent squawking "There'll always be an England" in four-part
>harmony. So there's no need for you to miss the show!

You obviously being the Ringmaster?

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
news:g26u08$2799$2@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article ,
> Joe Curry   wrote:

>
> Ever thought of moving to London?
>
> -- Richard

Are you any relation to Peter Tobin ?

In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
Edinburger  wrote:
>Are you any relation to Peter Tobin ?

Have you spent the last 8 months thinking that up?

-- Richard



-- 
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
news:gmurc7$gp5$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Edinburger  wrote:
>>Are you any relation to Peter Tobin ?
>
> Have you spent the last 8 months thinking that up?
>
> -- Richard
>

Sorry Richard just easing myself back in after my 3 year ban from Usenet!

In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:

> "Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
> news:gmurc7$gp5$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
>> In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>> Edinburger  wrote:
>>>Are you any relation to Peter Tobin ?

>> Have you spent the last 8 months thinking that up?

> Sorry Richard just easing myself back in after my 3 year ban from Usenet! 

There you are!

I have some mail that Serdar Argic left for you...

FoFP

"M Holmes"  wrote in message 
news:gmuthj$912$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
> In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:
>
>> "Richard Tobin"  wrote in message
>> news:gmurc7$gp5$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
>>> In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>> Edinburger  wrote:
>>>>
>
> There you are!
>
> I have some mail that Serdar Argic left for you...
>
> FoFP


Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport

Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Edinburger  wrote:
>> Are you any relation to Peter Tobin ?
> 
> Have you spent the last 8 months thinking that up?
> 
> -- Richard

Careful, 'Edinburger'. You don't want to get him angry.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Edinburger wrote:

> Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport

How can one *possibly* be a 'fan of an airport'?

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

"Mike Dickson"  wrote in message 
news:6vgeenFk0k45U2@mid.individual.net...
> Richard Tobin wrote:
>> In article <6EBkl.33548$Sp5.29495@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>> Edinburger  wrote:

> Careful, 'Edinburger'. You don't want to get him angry.
>
> -- 
> Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
>
> Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
> Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Put it this way mike, if he asks me to see his garden i am going to be quite 
suspicious...

"Mike Dickson"  wrote in message 
news:6vgegcFk0k45U3@mid.individual.net...
> Edinburger wrote:
>
>> Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport
>
> How can one *possibly* be a 'fan of an airport'?
>
> -- 
> Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
>
> Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
> Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

I think its the best!

In article , forename.surname@geemail.com 
says...
> Edinburger wrote:
> 
> > Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport
> 
> How can one *possibly* be a 'fan of an airport'?
> 
> 

Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a 
favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite bus 
stop.

Just say no, kids!

-- 
Halmyre

That's you that is.

"Halmyre" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message 
news:MPG.23fd490da986e4b0989cde@news.tesco.net...
> In article , 
> forename.surname@geemail.com

> Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a
> favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite 
> bus
> stop.
>
> Just say no, kids!
>
> -- 
> Halmyre
>
> That's you that is.

I do have a favourite CITY!!!!  and its not glasgow

On 11 Feb, 21:59, "Edinburger"  wrote:
> "Halmyre" <no.s...@this.address> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.23fd490da986e4b0989cde@news.tesco.net...
>
> > In article ,
> > forename.surn...@geemail.com
> > Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a
> > favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite
> > bus
> > stop.
>
> > Just say no, kids!
>
> > --
> > Halmyre
>
> > That's you that is.
>
> I do have a favourite CITY!!!!  and its not glasgow

Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
it's not needed.

Bartek
(An Edinburgher)

"Bartek"  wrote in message 
news:be9217b0-0a4a-42e3-bfcd-479e803dbc1b@j1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Feb, 21:59, "Edinburger"  wrote:
> "Halmyre" <no.s...@this.address> wrote in message
> news:MPG.23fd490da986e4b0989cde@news.tesco.net...
>


>
> I do have a favourite CITY!!!! and its not glasgow

Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
it's not needed.

Bartek
(An Edinburgher)

I am an Edinburger also.  I also was pointing out I had a favorite  airport 
which is relevant.

Your Mini-flame was not constructive.

In article <be9217b0-0a4a-42e3-bfcd-
479e803dbc1b@j1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, turnhousemotel@yahoo.co.uk 
says...

> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
> it's not needed.
> 
> Bartek
> (An Edinburgher)

Well said Bartek. Hopefully this time round he will not be actively 
encouraged by his fellow EDI `fan`.

"Jim Mason" <jim&linda@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.23fd5cf0c2b0d46e989773@news.individual.net...
> In article <be9217b0-0a4a-42e3-bfcd-
> 479e803dbc1b@j1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, turnhousemotel@yahoo.co.uk
> says...
>
>> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
>> it's not needed.
>>
>> Bartek
>> (An Edinburgher)
>
> Well said Bartek. Hopefully this time round he will not be actively
> encouraged by his fellow EDI `fan`.

Ok Jim can you explain your last comment!

Cheers

On 11 Feb, 16:14, M Holmes  wrote:
> In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:

> > Sorry Richard just easing myself back in after my 3 year ban from Usenet!
>
> There you are!
>
> I have some mail that Serdar Argic left for you...

Earl Gordon Curley left some too. Said you'd be calling for it.

Ian

"Ian"  wrote in message 
news:b40c2a7c-6cb6-4327-9f16-50196b8d243a@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On 11 Feb, 16:14, M Holmes  wrote:
>> In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:
>
>> > Sorry Richard just easing myself back in after my 3 year ban from 
>> > Usenet!
>>
>> There you are!
>>
>> I have some mail that Serdar Argic left for you...
>
> Earl Gordon Curley left some too. Said you'd be calling for it.
>
> Ian

You should pop it up to Richard he loves it

Edinburger wrote:

>>> Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport
>>
>> How can one *possibly* be a 'fan of an airport'?
> 
> I think its the best!

That's not exactly answering the question. I happen to think Vancouver 
Airport is the best I have ever seen, but to call myself a 'fan of an 
airport' asks questions about my social proclivities.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

In ed.general Bartek  wrote:
> On 11 Feb, 21:59, "Edinburger"  wrote:
>> "Halmyre" <no.s...@this.address> wrote in message
>>
>> news:MPG.23fd490da986e4b0989cde@news.tesco.net...
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > forename.surn...@geemail.com
>> > Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a
>> > favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite
>> > bus
>> > stop.
>>
>> > Just say no, kids!
>>
>> > --
>> > Halmyre
>>
>> > That's you that is.
>>
>> I do have a favourite CITY!!!!  and its not glasgow

> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
> it's not needed.

alt.fan.edinburgh.airport?

FoFP

>>>> Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station.
>>>> Then a favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then
>>>> a favourite bus stop.

Surely everybody's is http://www.unstbusshelter.shetland.co.uk/ ?

>>>> Just say no, kids!
>>> I do have a favourite CITY!!!!  and its not glasgow 
>> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
>> it's not needed.
> alt.fan.edinburgh.airport?

alt.binaries.erotica.airports.bollards?

==== j a c k  at  c a m p i n . m e . u k  ===  <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff:  Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

"Jack Campin - bogus address"  wrote in message 
news:bogus-7989D5.13032612022009@news.albasani.net...
>>>>> Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station.
>>>>> Then a favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then
>>>>> a favourite bus stop.
>
> Surely everybody's is http://www.unstbusshelter.shetland.co.uk/ ?
>
>>>>> Just say no, kids!
>>>> I do have a favourite CITY!!!! and its not glasgow
>>> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
>>> it's not needed.
>> alt.fan.edinburgh.airport?
>
> alt.binaries.erotica.airports.bollards?

Unfortunately I am unable to get binaries on my newsgroup server :o(

In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:

> "Jack Campin - bogus address"  wrote in message 
> news:bogus-7989D5.13032612022009@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station.
>>>>>> Then a favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then
>>>>>> a favourite bus stop.
>>
>> Surely everybody's is http://www.unstbusshelter.shetland.co.uk/ ?
>>
>>>>>> Just say no, kids!
>>>>> I do have a favourite CITY!!!! and its not glasgow
>>>> Perhaps we can take this drivel somewhere else? It's not helping and
>>>> it's not needed.
>>> alt.fan.edinburgh.airport?
>>
>> alt.binaries.erotica.airports.bollards?

> Unfortunately I am unable to get binaries on my newsgroup server :o( 

Just as well. If the authorities caught you with those pictures, you'd
get 42 days without charge and an interview with Jacqui Smith. You'd
never look at your favourite terahertz scanner in quite the same way again.

FoFP

-- 
"Speech is only free if everyone agrees with you.
 Otherwise it's 'insulting' or some such twaddle."
                        -- Roger Lee

"M Holmes"  wrote in message 
news:gn1co3$bmg$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
> In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:
>
>> "Jack Campin - bogus address"  wrote in message
>> news:bogus-7989D5.13032612022009@news.albasani.net...

>
> Just as well. If the authorities caught you with those pictures, you'd
> get 42 days without charge and an interview with Jacqui Smith. You'd
> never look at your favourite terahertz scanner in quite the same way 
> again.
>
> FoFP

Might be worth it for the 30mins with Jacqui Smith he he he

In article <gn1co3$bmg$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>,
 M Holmes  wrote:

> In ed.general Edinburger  wrote:
> 
> > "Jack Campin - bogus address"  wrote in message 
> > news:bogus-7989D5.13032612022009@news.albasani.net...
> >> alt.binaries.erotica.airports.bollards?
> 
> > Unfortunately I am unable to get binaries on my newsgroup server :o( 
> 
> Just as well. If the authorities caught you with those pictures, you'd
> get 42 days without charge and an interview with Jacqui Smith. You'd
> never look at your favourite terahertz scanner in quite the same way again.

He'd never look at Jacqui Smith in quite the same way again, but most of 
us don't anyway.

Sam

In ed.general Mike Dickson  wrote:
> Edinburger wrote:

>>>> Im not a spammer.  I am just a fan of Edinburgh Airport
>>>
>>> How can one *possibly* be a 'fan of an airport'?
>> 
>> I think its the best!

> That's not exactly answering the question. I happen to think Vancouver 
> Airport is the best I have ever seen, but to call myself a 'fan of an 
> airport' asks questions about my social proclivities.

What matters is the answers. I once knew a writer who liked to write
in travel terminals such as railway stations and airports.

-- 
Chris Malcolm

On 2009-02-11, Halmyre wrote:
> Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a 
> favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite bus 
> stop.

I've just seen some people standing by the "Trams will be here. No, really"
signs and getting photographed. I guess they already have a favourite tram
stop.

C

On 16 Feb, 12:52, Claudio Calvelli 
wrote:
> On 2009-02-11, Halmyre wrote:
> > Where does it end? Soon you'll be having a favourite train station. Then a
> > favourite ferry terminal. Then a favourite bus station. Then a favourite bus
> > stop.
>
> I've just seen some people standing by the "Trams will be here. No, really"
> signs and getting photographed. I guess they already have a favourite tram
> stop.
>
> C

Ah, but as well as having a favourite tram stop, you need to cultivate
an irrational hatred of a nearby tram stop.

--
Halmyre

"Edinburger"  wrote in message news:G0Wkl.33991
> Unfortunately I am unable to get binaries on my newsgroup server :o(

Try news.virginmedia.com

-- 
!Speedy Gonzales!

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