I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!





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"sid"  wrote in message 
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> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
> check will highlight the computer test result.

<snip>

PNC only shows who a car is registered to and whether it is taxed and/or 
insured. It doesn't show whether a it is MOT'd or not

(PNC = Police National Computer)

Cheers
Paul

Paul  wrote on Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:34:53 +0100:

> "sid"  wrote in message 
> news:42b361b3$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
>> check will highlight the computer test result.
> <snip>
> 
> PNC only shows who a car is registered to and whether it is taxed and/or 
> insured. It doesn't show whether a it is MOT'd or not
> 
> (PNC = Police National Computer)


Since they've spent all this money creating an MOT database, surely
they'll link it up to PNC checks?

-- 
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"Paul"  wrote in message 
news:42b3e994$0$41896$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...

> "sid"  wrote in message 
> news:42b361b3$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
>> check will highlight the computer test result.
> <snip>
>
> PNC only shows who a car is registered to and whether it is taxed and/or 
> insured. It doesn't show whether a it is MOT'd or not
>
> (PNC = Police National Computer)
>


"didn't"

MOTs are now centrally electronically recorded. I can't believe that 
information won't find it's way onto the PNC sooner rather than later...

In article <42b361b3$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net>, sid says...

> I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date
> 
> What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
> This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
> carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.
> 
> In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
> early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
> and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
> thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
> accident.
> 
> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
> check will highlight the computer test result.
> 
> Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
> and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
> work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
> other purpose?
> 
> Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!
> 

Same situation as currently. If your car fails an MOT, there's still an 
MOT failsheet recorded. 

-- 
Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room 
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git.

David Taylor (davidt-news@yadt.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


>> PNC only shows who a car is registered to and whether it is taxed
>> and/or insured. It doesn't show whether a it is MOT'd or not

> Since they've spent all this money creating an MOT database, surely
> they'll link it up to PNC checks?


As cars go through computerised MOTs, they will show on the PNC.

Until they go through a computerised MOT, there's no central computer 
record of whether it's MOTd to link up to.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:46:20 +0100, "sid"  wrote:


>I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date
>
>What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.


You have 14 days to get it in for a retest.
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:00:48 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:


>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:46:20 +0100, "sid"  wrote:
>
>>I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date
>>
>>What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
>
>You have 14 days to get it in for a retest.


More and more places are only giving seven days.

The message 
from Volff  contains these words:


> >You have 14 days to get it in for a retest.

> More and more places are only giving seven days.


14 days is stipulated in the test. It's the /free/ bit which is at the
discretion of the station.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
> check will highlight the computer test result.


In the future, MOT information will be available via a PNC check.


>
>Same situation as currently. If your car fails an MOT, there's still an
>MOT failsheet recorded.


Yes there is but it is held locally at the garage  and even if it forwarded
to DVLA it would take weeks for the information to be processed. No system
to access this sort of info in the manual system

I could under the present manual system fail an MOT, ignore it as I still
hold a current MOT certificate which I could produce to tax my car etc.

This will change with computerised records. Car tax renewal will be
available over the internet/telephone as DVLA are able to associate
insurance and MOT details prior to the issue of a licence disc.

Can someone clarify the fail situation where the garage is unable to carry
out the work required that day. It seems to a be a grey area if your car is
booked in for a test/retest as you can still be charged with failing vehicle
regulations if stopped by the police? Also the insurance situation with
driving a car from the garage after a fail and driving to the garage for a
retest?

Insurance companies require that the vehicle is taxed and holds a valid
MOT!!













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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:12:25 +0100, "sid"  wrote:


>
>
>> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
>> check will highlight the computer test result.
>
>In the future, MOT information will be available via a PNC check.
>
>>
>>Same situation as currently. If your car fails an MOT, there's still an
>>MOT failsheet recorded.
>
>Yes there is but it is held locally at the garage  and even if it forwarded
>to DVLA it would take weeks for the information to be processed. No system
>to access this sort of info in the manual system
>
>I could under the present manual system fail an MOT, ignore it as I still
>hold a current MOT certificate which I could produce to tax my car etc.
>
>This will change with computerised records. Car tax renewal will be
>available over the internet/telephone as DVLA are able to associate
>insurance and MOT details prior to the issue of a licence disc.
>
>Can someone clarify the fail situation where the garage is unable to carry
>out the work required that day. It seems to a be a grey area if your car is
>booked in for a test/retest as you can still be charged with failing vehicle
>regulations if stopped by the police? Also the insurance situation with
>driving a car from the garage after a fail and driving to the garage for a
>retest?
>
>Insurance companies require that the vehicle is taxed and holds a valid
>MOT!!
>

Surely the same will still apply - you still hold a valid MOT for your
car even though it has failed to gain a new one?
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From what I understand, it looks like the mot centres are making the
database it's not linked to the dvla computer

Angus McCoatup wrote:

> From what I understand, it looks like the mot centres are making the
> database it's not linked to the dvla computer


Angus,

If it's not already, when fully operational, it is intended to be linked to
the DVLA computer so that the 'boys' sitting behind the ANPR (Automatic
Number Plate Reader) cameras in their mobile vans can do a complete check as
to whether you car is taxed, insured and MOTd as you pass them - although it
cannot tell if the car really is roadworthy or the driver actually has a
licence.

That's me being a little cynical by the way, as the DVLA will probably say
that it will be even easier to tax your car now as it can be done on-line
via the internet and other forms of bull waste products :-)


Brian G

Angus McCoatup (nospamta@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


> From what I understand, it looks like the mot centres are making the
> database it's not linked to the dvla computer


It'll be linked.

I took one of mine for a new-style MOT on Friday. The certificate was 
issued about 3pm.

I checked the MOT website at about 8pm, and the details were live.

It'll be linked. You can guarantee that.

"sid"  wrote in message 
news:42b4651d$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

>
> Can someone clarify the fail situation where the garage is unable to carry
> out the work required that day. It seems to a be a grey area if your car 
> is
> booked in for a test/retest as you can still be charged with failing 
> vehicle
> regulations if stopped by the police? Also the insurance situation with
> driving a car from the garage after a fail and driving to the garage for a
> retest?
>
> Insurance companies require that the vehicle is taxed and holds a valid
> MOT!!


And while we're at it...

It's undoubtedly legal to drive an untaxed, un-MOT-ed, car to a prebooked 
MOT.

But doesn't that make the insurance invalid?

Adrian wrote:

>
> I checked the MOT website at about 8pm, and the details were live.
>


So, where's the link to the MOT website???
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Paul King (paul.g.king@theobviousdsl.pipex.com) gurgled happily, sounding 
much like they were saying :


>> I checked the MOT website at about 8pm, and the details were live.

> So, where's the link to the MOT website???


On the certificate...

www.motinfo.gov.uk

But it doesn't work currently... It definitely did on Friday.

That'll be a government IT project for you, then.
More ID cards, Vicar?

"Adrian"  wrote in message
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> Paul King (paul.g.king@theobviousdsl.pipex.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
>
> >> I checked the MOT website at about 8pm, and the details were live.
>
> > So, where's the link to the MOT website???
>
> On the certificate...
>
> www.motinfo.gov.uk
>
> But it doesn't work currently... It definitely did on Friday.


Shape of things to come, for the whole system

"Adrian"  wrote in message
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> Angus McCoatup (nospamta@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like
> they were saying :
>
> > From what I understand, it looks like the mot centres are making the
> > database it's not linked to the dvla computer
>
> It'll be linked.
>
> I took one of mine for a new-style MOT on Friday. The certificate was
> issued about 3pm.
>
> I checked the MOT website at about 8pm, and the details were live.
>
> It'll be linked. You can guarantee that.


When they came to work to show us how it worked and test us I'm sure they
said we are making their data base for them.
But I may not have been paying enough attention coz I'm NOT looking forward
to it.