My daughter's 02 reg 2.0 petrol CR-V has an engine management light that 
comes on and goes off at random intervals.

It sometimes stays on for a while after the engine is started, and 
sometimes comes on while driving. The local Honda dealer says that if 
the latter happens she should pull over, switch off and then switch on 
again (bloody hell, MS have written the software after all).

The dealer is going to fix it (they say) under warranty and the need the 
car for 2 days to investigate/poke about/strip the engine.

Does anybody have any idea what the cause might be?
-- 
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Andy Hewitt  wrote on Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:00:22 +0100:

> 
> If you use Shell fuel, it can bugger the Lambda sensor, or even damage
> the valves.


Er?

-- 
David Taylor

Andy Hewitt  wrote on Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:21:37 +0100:

> David Taylor  wrote:
> 
>> Andy Hewitt  wrote on Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:00:22
>> +0100: >
>> > If you use Shell fuel, it can bugger the Lambda sensor, or even damage
>> > the valves.
>> 
>> Er?
> 
> 'Er?'?


What's wrong with Shell fuel?  And if what you say is correct,
why hasn't someone sued them?

-- 
David Taylor

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:d8vf8o$rb1$5@outcold.yadt.co.uk...

> Andy Hewitt  wrote on Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:21:37 
> +0100:
>> David Taylor  wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Hewitt  wrote on Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:00:22
>>> +0100: >
>>> > If you use Shell fuel, it can bugger the Lambda sensor, or even damage
>>> > the valves.
>>>
>>> Er?
>>
>> 'Er?'?
>
> What's wrong with Shell fuel?  And if what you say is correct,
> why hasn't someone sued them?
>
> -- 
> David Taylor


cheap petrol puts the light on with astras for instance, but I haven't heard 
shell problems.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful
..  wrote:

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> cheap petrol puts the light on with astras for instance, but I haven't heard
> shell problems.


Do you know the difference between cheap fuel and expensive fuel? a few
pence per litre!

All fuel in a region is sourced at a single supplier - Hertfordshire is
all Total (go and check the Buncefield depot at Hemel Hempstead).

The various suppliers simply add their own additives in the tanker.
Cheap fuel is actually plain and simple petrol.

-- 
Andy Hewitt **  FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS
Honda Civic: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
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(updated Feb 21 2005)

In message <1gybdwz.1xvtbvatstccbN%hairy.biker@spamcop.net>, Andy Hewitt 
 writes

>Peter Twydell  wrote:
>
>> My daughter's 02 reg 2.0 petrol CR-V has an engine management light that
>> comes on and goes off at random intervals.
>>
>> It sometimes stays on for a while after the engine is started, and
>> sometimes comes on while driving. The local Honda dealer says that if
>> the latter happens she should pull over, switch off and then switch on
>> again (bloody hell, MS have written the software after all).
>>
>> The dealer is going to fix it (they say) under warranty and the need the
>> car for 2 days to investigate/poke about/strip the engine.
>>
>> Does anybody have any idea what the cause might be?
>
>Could be one of a number of things. If you let the oil run low, that
>brings the light on as the VTEC system shuts down. You can also bugger
>the VTEC actuator on the camshaft doing that too.
>
>If you use Shell fuel, it can bugger the Lambda sensor, or even damage
>the valves.
>
>Before you get too embarrassed check the oil level.
>

It won't embarrass me, it's not my car. I doubt the oil level is low as 
she's not had it all that long and it's just been serviced and MOT'd. 
The dealer she bought it from couldn't fix it at the time, and the local 
Honda bods are doing the work under warranty. We're just curious as to 
what the cause might be, as they probably won't tell her anything 
sensible.
-- 
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

In message , Peter Twydell 
 writes

>In message <1gybdwz.1xvtbvatstccbN%hairy.biker@spamcop.net>, Andy 
>Hewitt  writes
>>Peter Twydell  wrote:
>>
>>> My daughter's 02 reg 2.0 petrol CR-V has an engine management light that
>>> comes on and goes off at random intervals.
>>>
>>> It sometimes stays on for a while after the engine is started, and
>>> sometimes comes on while driving. The local Honda dealer says that if
>>> the latter happens she should pull over, switch off and then switch on
>>> again (bloody hell, MS have written the software after all).
>>>
>>> The dealer is going to fix it (they say) under warranty and the need the
>>> car for 2 days to investigate/poke about/strip the engine.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any idea what the cause might be?
>>
>>Could be one of a number of things. If you let the oil run low, that
>>brings the light on as the VTEC system shuts down. You can also bugger
>>the VTEC actuator on the camshaft doing that too.
>>
>>If you use Shell fuel, it can bugger the Lambda sensor, or even damage
>>the valves.
>>
>>Before you get too embarrassed check the oil level.
>>
>It won't embarrass me, it's not my car. I doubt the oil level is low as 
>she's not had it all that long and it's just been serviced and MOT'd. 
>The dealer she bought it from couldn't fix it at the time, and the 
>local Honda bods are doing the work under warranty. We're just curious 
>as to what the cause might be, as they probably won't tell her anything 
>sensible.


Probably totally unrelated, because the engine management light is just 
a "some bad shit happened" indicator, but when the light on my Civic 
came on it was a failing injector. IIRC, Andy's seen that happen before 
and suspects Optimax.

If that were the problem, it wouldn't be running right, though.

-- 
Steve Walker

Steve Walker  wrote:

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> >It won't embarrass me, it's not my car. I doubt the oil level is low as
> >she's not had it all that long and it's just been serviced and MOT'd.
> >The dealer she bought it from couldn't fix it at the time, and the 
> >local Honda bods are doing the work under warranty. We're just curious
> >as to what the cause might be, as they probably won't tell her anything
> >sensible.
> 
> Probably totally unrelated, because the engine management light is just
> a "some bad shit happened" indicator, but when the light on my Civic 
> came on it was a failing injector. IIRC, Andy's seen that happen before
> and suspects Optimax.


Yes, although not on a CR-V, and normal Shell seems to cause problems
too.


> If that were the problem, it wouldn't be running right, though.


True, bad things, like burnt valves, usually cause a misfire.

-- 
Andy Hewitt **  FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS
Honda Civic: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thehewitts2/index.htm
(updated Feb 21 2005)