I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd

question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert 
and you need an mot?

Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for) 
before the MOT can be issued?

I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites - 
can't find any information on this.

Any one here know the answer?


regards



Dudley

"arthur daley"  wrote in message
news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

> I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a
> registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
>
> question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert
> and you need an mot?
>
> Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for)
> before the MOT can be issued?
>
> I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites -
> can't find any information on this.
>
> Any one here know the answer?
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> Dudley


the same thing you do when you cant find your mot or insurance documents to
tax your car, you apply for new one.

"reg"  wrote in message
news:d8snh0$u0d$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

>
> "arthur daley"  wrote in message
> news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> > I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a
> > registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
> >
> > question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert
> > and you need an mot?
> >
> > Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for)
> > before the MOT can be issued?
> >
> > I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites -
> > can't find any information on this.
> >
> > Any one here know the answer?
> >



http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/carlgvowners/motcomputerisation/motcomputerisati
on-aguide.htm

reg wrote:


> "arthur daley"  wrote in message
> news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> 
>>I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a
>>registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
>>
>>question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert
>>and you need an mot?
>>
>>Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for)
>>before the MOT can be issued?
>>
>>I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites -
>>can't find any information on this.
>>
>>Any one here know the answer?
>>
>>
>>regards
>>
>>
>>
>>Dudley
> 
> 
> the same thing you do when you cant find your mot or insurance documents to
> tax your car, you apply for new one.
> 
> 



its a bit of a blow when you turn up at the mot station with the wifes 
car and thats the first time that you hear anything about needing a 
registration document to be able to get the car mot'd.

When I got home I read the booklet that comes with the new registration 
document - one for my own car and there is not a word in it about MOTs.

I guess Ill have to get on the phone to the helpline in the morning. 
Thing is we don't even know if we have ever received a reg cert for my 
wifes car - we have the pleasure of living in an area which has had one 
of the worst postal delivery services in the country.


Dudley

reg wrote:



> 
> http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/carlgvowners/motcomputerisation/motcomputerisati
> on-aguide.htm
> 
> 



Yep, been there and read the entire site (well almost) and not a whisper 
about having to take the registration certificate with you when you go 
for an MOT

Loads of info on why its being done but nowt about the nuts and bolts of 
how it works!




Dudley

arthur daley (drs100@Tesc.cam.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


> Yep, been there and read the entire site (well almost) and not a
> whisper about having to take the registration certificate with you
> when you go for an MOT


It's a new one on me, too - I've not had a new-style ticket yet, although I 
took one of the fleet round the other day but they were too busy due to not 
having a clue how to use the new 'pooter... Nobody mentioned V5.

arthur daley wrote:

> I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
> registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd


That's a new on me. Was it because the car was just coming up to 3yrs 
old and you wanted 13mths MOT?

John

arthur daley (drs100@Tesc.cam.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


> I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
> registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
> 
> question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert 
> and you need an mot?


Or, indeed, what the hell you do if you're MOTing a new import.

You need an MOT before you can get a V5.
If you need a V5 before you can get an MOT...

"arthur daley"  wrote in message 
news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

>I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
>registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
<snip>
> Any one here know the answer?


I know I didn't need the reg when I had mine done...

PC Paul (me@home.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying 
:


> I know I didn't need the reg when I had mine done... 


A new computerised MOT?

Hiho. One way to find out.

I'm about to take 'erself's car up, and I can't find the V5.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:21:27 GMT, arthur daley 
wrote:


>I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
>registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
>
>question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert 
>and you need an mot?
>
>Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for) 
>before the MOT can be issued?
>
>I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites - 
>can't find any information on this.
>
>Any one here know the answer?
>
>
>regards
>
>
>
>Dudley


Not heard about *having* to produce a Reg Cert but it has always been
the case that an MOT station could refuse to test a vehicle if it
wanted to see it and it wasn't available. Usually this applies to a
vehicle on a cherished plate and the tester needs to know the year for
emission standards etc.

Graham

On 17 Jun 2005 09:28:21 GMT, Adrian  wrote:


>PC Paul (me@home.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying 
>:
>
>> I know I didn't need the reg when I had mine done... 
>
>A new computerised MOT?
>
>Hiho. One way to find out.
>
>I'm about to take 'erself's car up, and I can't find the V5.


You won't need it.  I've just had mine MOT'd this morning under the
new system and I specifically asked about the V5.  The tester said
it's not a requirement but can be useful if there's a discrepancy in
the car details between what's on the DVLA database (which is used for
the new MOT) and what's on the V5.  

Be prepared to spend a bit longer than before at the testing station.
It takes longer to do the paperwork.

Volff (volff@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 


>>> I know I didn't need the reg when I had mine done... 

>>A new computerised MOT?
>>
>>Hiho. One way to find out.
>>
>>I'm about to take 'erself's car up, and I can't find the V5.

> You won't need it.


I didn't.

So that's fairly definitive, really. No need for a V5 for an MOT.


> Be prepared to spend a bit longer than before at the testing station.
> It takes longer to do the paperwork.


I head in to my local Cit Specialist, who doesn't do MOTs - so it goes up 
the road to a little local garage who mainly do MOTs.

The car was back in normal time, the certificate followed it three hours 
later...

The new certificate's a bit naff, and the fail sheet's laughable (handbrake 
ratchet worn to excess = tester couldn't figure out how to release it 
because the button had got rotated into the "safety catch" position - not 
mine, I hasten to add...) - but I do like the new 'screen reminder.

You won't need the V5 for a new style MOT unless you are doing the
first MOT early and want it to start on the car's first birthday.

Alan

"Adrian"  wrote in message
news:Xns9678AC0F899Fadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Volff (volff@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
> >>> I know I didn't need the reg when I had mine done...
>
> >>A new computerised MOT?
> >>
> >>Hiho. One way to find out.
> >>
> >>I'm about to take 'erself's car up, and I can't find the V5.
>
> > You won't need it.
>
> I didn't.
>
> So that's fairly definitive, really. No need for a V5 for an MOT.
>
> > Be prepared to spend a bit longer than before at the testing station.
> > It takes longer to do the paperwork.
>
> I head in to my local Cit Specialist, who doesn't do MOTs - so it goes up
> the road to a little local garage who mainly do MOTs.
>
> The car was back in normal time, the certificate followed it three hours
> later...
>
> The new certificate's a bit naff, and the fail sheet's laughable
(handbrake
> ratchet worn to excess = tester couldn't figure out how to release it
> because the button had got rotated into the "safety catch" position - not
> mine, I hasten to add...) - but I do like the new 'screen reminder.


you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been issuing them
for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot logo on them.

re the v5,  the v5 wont be a legal requirement to produce but as said in an
earlier post it will be handy if any additional information is required,
will save you time and us time.

reg (reg@somewhere.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


>> but I do like the new 'screen reminder. 

> you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been
> issuing them for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot
> logo on them. 


Oh, absolutely - I peeled one off to stick this one on.

I meant I like the new one - bit more info on it, and (best of all) the 
date's legible unlike the scrawl on the old one...

"Adrian"  wrote in message
news:Xns9678B9EBB5363adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> reg (reg@somewhere.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> >> but I do like the new 'screen reminder.
>
> > you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been
> > issuing them for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot
> > logo on them.
>
> Oh, absolutely - I peeled one off to stick this one on.
>
> I meant I like the new one - bit more info on it, and (best of all) the
> date's legible unlike the scrawl on the old one...


aye your right about the old one, ive had to use a cd marker pen to write on
the ones i issue, use a normal pen and by the time the mot is due youve got
no reminder date to look at as its vanished.

"reg"  wrote in message 
news:d8v2gr$knr$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

>
> "Adrian"  wrote in message
> news:Xns9678B9EBB5363adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
>> reg (reg@somewhere.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>> were saying :
>>
>> >> but I do like the new 'screen reminder.
>>
>> > you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been
>> > issuing them for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot
>> > logo on them.
>>
>> Oh, absolutely - I peeled one off to stick this one on.
>>
>> I meant I like the new one - bit more info on it, and (best of all) the
>> date's legible unlike the scrawl on the old one...
>
> aye your right about the old one, ive had to use a cd marker pen to write 
> on
> the ones i issue, use a normal pen and by the time the mot is due youve 
> got
> no reminder date to look at as its vanished.
>
>

 I've never had a reminder sticker. Does anyone know if you will get a 
postal reminder with the new MOT like you do for VED? That would be useful 
to someone like me who rushes around in a panic every year to get the car 
legal for the next year.

The message <d8v0ab$s18$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
from "reg"  contains these words:


> you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been issuing them
> for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot logo on them.


Oh gawd, don't tell me they've got a new logo? How much did /that/ cost?

Bloody marketing people - we all know what the MOT logo looks like - so
they change it.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

I am a Mot tester & we have only gone live on the computer system a week 
last Wednesday.

The V5 document can contain certain helpful information in narrowing down an 
exact vehicle match.

Even though you enter in the registration number & chassis number it does 
not guarantee that it will find only one vehicle exact match.

Sometimes entering only the reg & chassis number might bring up a list of 
say 10 possible examples & further input of information narrows the list 
down further still.

In a nutshell it looks like VOSA are relying on testing stations to complete 
certain details.

I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does not 
automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.

We can say however that in most circumstances we have come across so far, 
the V5 document is not alays required.
"arthur daley"  wrote in message 
news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

>I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
>registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
>
> question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert and 
> you need an mot?
>
> Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for) 
> before the MOT can be issued?
>
> I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites - can't 
> find any information on this.
>
> Any one here know the answer?
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> Dudley 

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:44:01 +0100, "Mr Digital"
 wrote:


>I am a Mot tester & we have only gone live on the computer system a week 
>last Wednesday.
>
>The V5 document can contain certain helpful information in narrowing down an 
>exact vehicle match.
>
>Even though you enter in the registration number & chassis number it does 
>not guarantee that it will find only one vehicle exact match.
>
>Sometimes entering only the reg & chassis number might bring up a list of 
>say 10 possible examples & further input of information narrows the list 
>down further still.
>
>In a nutshell it looks like VOSA are relying on testing stations to complete 
>certain details.
>
>I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does not 
>automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.
>
>We can say however that in most circumstances we have come across so far, 
>the V5 document is not alays required.


Good luck if you have any systems problems and have to call the
support people.  Apparently, they know fuck all about cars.



>"arthur daley"  wrote in message 
>news:bblse.11951$q46.4429@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a 
>>registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
>>
>> question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert and 
>> you need an mot?
>>
>> Surely you don't have to wait for a new cert to be issued (and paid for) 
>> before the MOT can be issued?
>>
>> I have hunted all over the VOSA website and a load of other sites - can't 
>> find any information on this.
>>
>> Any one here know the answer?
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Dudley 
>

Stuart Gray (me@home) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 


> Does anyone know if you will get a
> postal reminder with the new MOT like you do for VED? 


The new sticker's an integral part of the certificate - you can't possibly 
not get it.

Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


>> you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been
>> issuing them for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot
>> logo on them. 

> Oh gawd, don't tell me they've got a new logo? How much did /that/
> cost? 


The logo on the new one is just the same as the old one...

I think he means that it's not the Ministry of Transport's logo any more 
for anything but the test - but then, there's not been a Ministry of 
Transport for god knows how long.

Volff (volff@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 


> Good luck if you have any systems problems and have to call the
> support people.  Apparently, they know fuck all about cars.


Like the people that defined the fail comments?

Mr Digital (nobodyhere@nospam.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


> Even though you enter in the registration number & chassis number it
> does not guarantee that it will find only one vehicle exact match.
> 
> Sometimes entering only the reg & chassis number might bring up a list
> of say 10 possible examples & further input of information narrows the
> list down further still.
> 
> In a nutshell it looks like VOSA are relying on testing stations to
> complete certain details.
> 
> I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does
> not automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.


How the FUCK can it not? I mean, seriously, that's absolutely gobsmacking.

I'm intrigued to know what the V5 can tell you that'd narrow it down beyond 
"It's a blue Mondeo" - which you can see...

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9678D68FCE93Aadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Stuart Gray (me@home) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
>> Does anyone know if you will get a
>> postal reminder with the new MOT like you do for VED?
>
> The new sticker's an integral part of the certificate - you can't possibly
> not get it.


Cheers for that. I'll just have to wait for the new style one to appear in 
my neck of the woods. I've got a car on Sorn at the moment, no Mot on it 
either. Maybe I'll get to see one when I get that on the road in a month or 
two.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9678D70D9D955adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Mr Digital (nobodyhere@nospam.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>> Even though you enter in the registration number & chassis number it
>> does not guarantee that it will find only one vehicle exact match.
>>
>> Sometimes entering only the reg & chassis number might bring up a list
>> of say 10 possible examples & further input of information narrows the
>> list down further still.
>>
>> In a nutshell it looks like VOSA are relying on testing stations to
>> complete certain details.
>>
>> I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does
>> not automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.
>
> How the FUCK can it not? I mean, seriously, that's absolutely gobsmacking.
>
> I'm intrigued to know what the V5 can tell you that'd narrow it down 
> beyond
> "It's a blue Mondeo" - which you can see...


That last bit puzzled me too. Is cloning rife? or is the original database 
slightly screwed? Sounds like it could be a victim of cut and paste style 
input.

Stuart Gray (me@home) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 


> That last bit puzzled me too. Is cloning rife? or is the original
> database slightly screwed?


Umm, I thought the whole point of a cloned car was that it wouldn't show up 
on DVLA's 'pooter...?

The message <d8v964$vrq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
from "Mr Digital"  contains these words:


> I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does not 
> automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.


If Renault can't supply the right dampers when presented with all the
data on the plate, why should the DVLA/VOSA do any better!

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

The message 
from Adrian  contains these words:


> I'm intrigued to know what the V5 can tell you that'd narrow it down beyond 
> "It's a blue Mondeo" - which you can see...


Engine number. I've known a fair few vehicles where the engine number's
so buried as to be for normal purposes not there. Perkins Prima engines,
for one. You can see it once the head's off, but the rest of the time
it's behind a load of other stuff.

Or, in the case of my car, not there at all. It fell off and I lost it!

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


>> I'm intrigued to know what the V5 can tell you that'd narrow it down
>> beyond "It's a blue Mondeo" - which you can see...

> Engine number. I've known a fair few vehicles where the engine
> number's so buried as to be for normal purposes not there.


Indeed - so will it ever be changed on the paperwork if the engine's 
swapped over?

The message 
from Adrian  contains these words:


> > Engine number. I've known a fair few vehicles where the engine
> > number's so buried as to be for normal purposes not there.

> Indeed - so will it ever be changed on the paperwork if the engine's 
> swapped over?


Not in my case.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9678DA1968316adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Stuart Gray (me@home) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
>> That last bit puzzled me too. Is cloning rife? or is the original
>> database slightly screwed?
>
> Umm, I thought the whole point of a cloned car was that it wouldn't show 
> up
> on DVLA's 'pooter...?


I mean that one car will pop up with the same chassis number as another, be 
the same type of car, possibly with the same reg plate, but has been motted 
previously, well within the year timespan of the Mot.

"Stuart Gray" <me@home> wrote in message
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>
> "reg"  wrote in message
> news:d8v2gr$knr$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Adrian"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns9678B9EBB5363adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
> >> reg (reg@somewhere.fsnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they
> >> were saying :
> >>
> >> >> but I do like the new 'screen reminder.
> >>
> >> > you should already be issued with a screen reminder, we've been
> >> > issuing them for a couple of years, blue stickers with the old mot
> >> > logo on them.
> >>
> >> Oh, absolutely - I peeled one off to stick this one on.
> >>
> >> I meant I like the new one - bit more info on it, and (best of all) the
> >> date's legible unlike the scrawl on the old one...
> >
> > aye your right about the old one, ive had to use a cd marker pen to
write
> > on
> > the ones i issue, use a normal pen and by the time the mot is due youve
> > got
> > no reminder date to look at as its vanished.
> >
> >
>  I've never had a reminder sticker. Does anyone know if you will get a
> postal reminder with the new MOT like you do for VED? That would be useful
> to someone like me who rushes around in a panic every year to get the car
> legal for the next year.



no reminders, ( we send mot reminders out from our garage, but its from our
own customer data base ),  but its some thing they are looking at, prolly be
posible in the future when they have more vehicles on their data base, if i
recall they only have around 1000 ( approx ) garages running the system at
the mo, they have 19000 ( approx ) to get on line.

"Guy King"  wrote in message
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> The message <d8v964$vrq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
> from "Mr Digital"  contains these words:
>
> > I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does not
> > automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.
>
> If Renault can't supply the right dampers when presented with all the
> data on the plate, why should the DVLA/VOSA do any better!
>
> --
> Skipweasel.
> Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


if you think about it we are doing DVLA's work for them ( unpaid )
correcting all the mistakes they have made over the years on the V5's.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9678E07E11B8Eadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>> I'm intrigued to know what the V5 can tell you that'd narrow it down
>>> beyond "It's a blue Mondeo" - which you can see...
>
>> Engine number. I've known a fair few vehicles where the engine
>> number's so buried as to be for normal purposes not there.
>
> Indeed - so will it ever be changed on the paperwork if the engine's
> swapped over?


I once had a problem like this with a motorbike I owned. After a bad crash, 
I rebuilt it which involved getting new engine casings amongst other things. 
The engine number was stamped on the original engine casing, but obviously 
the new ones I got were blank. Put off one prospective buyer, but he was the 
wanker who wheelied it away claiming that it was more powerful than the last 
bike he had owned 25 years ago - duh!
I asked dvla about the blank engine casing and they said to get a bike shop 
to stamp it with the old engine number for me. I phoned the local bike shop 
who told me to piss off, so I left it blank.

"reg"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Guy King"  wrote in message
> news:313030303432373942B33F5C36@zetnet.co.uk...
>> The message <d8v964$vrq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
>> from "Mr Digital"  contains these words:
>>
>> > I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does not
>> > automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.
>>
>> If Renault can't supply the right dampers when presented with all the
>> data on the plate, why should the DVLA/VOSA do any better!
>>
>> --
>> Skipweasel.
>> Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."
>
> if you think about it we are doing DVLA's work for them ( unpaid )
> correcting all the mistakes they have made over the years on the V5's.
>
>


 That's distinctly the impression I get too. Once you guys have cleaned the 
database, they can get the cloned cars, who is going to MOT thier car more 
than once a year, eh? ;-)

"Stuart Gray" <me@home> wrote in message 
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>
> "reg"  wrote in message 
> news:d8vgnr$ct9$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Guy King"  wrote in message
>> news:313030303432373942B33F5C36@zetnet.co.uk...
>>> The message <d8v964$vrq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
>>> from "Mr Digital"  contains these words:
>>>
>>> > I must admit to being a bit miffed that a reg & chassis number does 
>>> > not
>>> > automatically bring up an exact single vehicle match.
>>>
>>> If Renault can't supply the right dampers when presented with all the
>>> data on the plate, why should the DVLA/VOSA do any better!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Skipweasel.
>>> Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."
>>
>> if you think about it we are doing DVLA's work for them ( unpaid )
>> correcting all the mistakes they have made over the years on the V5's.
>>
>>
>
> That's distinctly the impression I get too. Once you guys have cleaned the 
> database, they can get the cloned cars, who is going to MOT thier car more 
> than once a year, eh? ;-)
>
>
>


Mind you, I had a sudden thought, if you have a perfectly cloned car, same 
plate, reg, chassis numbers etc. you don't have to bother motting it on the 
new system, or to get it taxed, insured, they would just look up the 
database to see your details. All you would need to do is confirm the name 
and address of the original car, and DVLA would probably give that to you if 
you gave them just cause. Only problem I can see is the car license details 
not matching the car, ie. a duplicate license holder for the same vehicle.

One for you Adrian. Am I talking shite as usual, or is this a real 
possibility?

Stuart Gray (me@home) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 


> Mind you, I had a sudden thought, if you have a perfectly cloned car,
> same plate, reg, chassis numbers etc. you don't have to bother motting
> it on the new system, or to get it taxed, insured, they would just
> look up the database to see your details. All you would need to do is
> confirm the name and address of the original car, and DVLA would
> probably give that to you if you gave them just cause. Only problem I
> can see is the car license details not matching the car, ie. a
> duplicate license holder for the same vehicle. 
> 
> One for you Adrian. Am I talking shite as usual, or is this a real 
> possibility? 


So it sometimes pops up on the db as two AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis 
number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9 - one MOT'd 11 months ago, one MOT'd 6 months 
ago?

I'm baffled.

The whole "cloned car" theory presupposes that the person driving the clone 
knows it's a clone. Do they always? There's always the ringers. Would the 
VIVN be convincingly cloned? I'd doubt it.

Multiple plates are possible - DVLA cockup on the registrations are not 
unknown, AIUI.

But multiple VINs tied to the same plate? No, it strikes me as a problem 
with the db - and I still can't quite see how having the V5 present would 
resolve "which AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9" is 
looking at you...?

I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!








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I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!








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I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!








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I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!








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I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date

What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.

In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an accident
and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
accident.

The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
check will highlight the computer test result.

Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT station
and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
other purpose?

Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!

Any thoughts!









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Adrian  wrote on 17 Jun 2005 22:31:19 GMT:

> 
> So it sometimes pops up on the db as two AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis 
> number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9 - one MOT'd 11 months ago, one MOT'd 6 months 
> ago?
> 
> I'm baffled.
> 
> The whole "cloned car" theory presupposes that the person driving the clone 
> knows it's a clone. Do they always? There's always the ringers. Would the 
> VIVN be convincingly cloned? I'd doubt it.


Yeah but, if the person driving the clone knows it's a clone, they won't
need to MOT it -- any check on a computerised system would show up
the car as being MOTed.  Only if someone actually asked to see the
certificate would it show up.

Might be a slight problem obtaining a tax disk for it, though...

-- 
David Taylor

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> But multiple VINs tied to the same plate? No, it strikes me as a problem
> with the db - and I still can't quite see how having the V5 present would
> resolve "which AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9" is
> looking at you...?


Neither can I. Wish I could run a compare on their database to see how many 
duplications there are and how they are duplicated, with X-refs to address 
of registered owner, last place Motted, name of insured drivers etc. I can 
see us having to get our cars chipped RFID style to sort it all out. ;-)

"sid"  wrote in message 
news:42b36154$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

>
> I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date
>
> What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
> This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
> carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.
>
> In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
> early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an 
> accident
> and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
> thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
> accident.
>
> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
> check will highlight the computer test result.
>
> Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT 
> station
> and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
> work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
> other purpose?
>
> Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!
>
> Any thoughts!
>
>


 I would imagine that if the expiry date of the last MOT wasn't past you 
would be OK. If you still have valid VED, parking the car on a public 
highway is not a problem. That only becomes a problem when you have to Sorn 
your car. I've got one Sorned on my driveway atm. Same place I used to dump 
all my out of tax date cars before without telling anyone. I got done for 
not Sorning one of my bikes, I simply forgot about it, it's buried somewhere 
in my garage behind the new bathroom suite.

Stuart Gray <me@home> wrote on Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:03:11 +0100:

> 
> "sid"  wrote in message 
> news:42b36154$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>>
>> I usually book the car in 2/3 weeks before the MOT expiry date
>>
>> What happens if its a fail and the work can not be done on the day.
>> This is not a problem at the moment with the manual system as any work
>> carried out at a later date will result in a  MOT cert being issued.
>>
>> In the meantime I still have a valid indate MOT as I have taken the car in
>> early. I could still be proscuted if the vehicle is involved in an 
>> accident
>> and the car is not roadworthy. However, if its a new exhaust or similar
>> thats required then it may be noted but it would hardly be the cause of an
>> accident.
>>
>> The new computer system will record a fail - quite rightly! and any PNC
>> check will highlight the computer test result.
>>
>> Will this mean that the vehicle will have to be driven from the MOT 
>> station
>> and parked off road until the garage is able to carry out the  remedial
>> work? The car is then booked in for a retest and can NOT be used for any
>> other purpose?
>>
>> Bit of a problem if there is no off-road parking!
>>
>> Any thoughts!
>>
>>
> 
> I would imagine that if the expiry date of the last MOT wasn't past you 
> would be OK.


Would he?  Failing the MOT means, technically, it's not fit for using
on the road.  Whether it was 11-and-a-bit months ago is irrelevant.

Of course, this applied before the computerisation anyway, but since
the fail wasn't recorded in a central database, it was less likely you
would have been caught (if indeed they will start checking for this).

Is it currently legal to drive a car that has failed an MOT home?
(AFAIK, the "pre booked MOT" exception only applies for driving
_to_ the MOT, not back from it, if you fail)


> If you still have valid VED, parking the car on a public 
> highway is not a problem. That only becomes a problem when you have to Sorn 
> your car. I've got one Sorned on my driveway atm. Same place I used to dump 
> all my out of tax date cars before without telling anyone. I got done for 
> not Sorning one of my bikes, I simply forgot about it, it's buried somewhere 
> in my garage behind the new bathroom suite. 


However, parking it on the road would be fine, I agree.

(Whether taking it home would be, or not, I don't know)

-- 
David Taylor

The message 
from "Stuart Gray" <me@home> contains these words:


> I asked dvla about the blank engine casing and they said to get a bike shop 
> to stamp it with the old engine number for me. I phoned the local bike shop 
> who told me to piss off, so I left it blank. 


I have a set of stamps. Cost me less than a tenner at the local market.
Great for bike frames which the dibbles no longer do, telling you
instead to go to the bike shop. The bike shop, of course, tells you to
go to the dibbles....

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

The message 
from Adrian  contains these words:


> So it sometimes pops up on the db as two AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis 
> number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9 - one MOT'd 11 months ago, one MOT'd 6 months 
> ago?

> I'm baffled.


Not unusual - if someone selling a car they might MOT it ahead of
schedule so they can sell it with a year's MOT.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

The message <42b3609b$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net>
from "sid"  contains these words:


> Any thoughts!


Yes - it's not just VINs that are being cloned, it's your posts!

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

"Stuart Gray" <me@home> wrote in message 
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> "Adrian"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns9678EF48B65F0adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
>
>> But multiple VINs tied to the same plate? No, it strikes me as a problem
>> with the db - and I still can't quite see how having the V5 present would
>> resolve "which AB51XYZ blue Mondeos chassis number xxxx999x999x9x9x9x9" 
>> is
>> looking at you...?
>
> Neither can I. Wish I could run a compare on their database to see how 
> many duplications there are and how they are duplicated, with X-refs to 
> address of registered owner, last place Motted, name of insured drivers 
> etc. I can see us having to get our cars chipped RFID style to sort it all 
> out. ;-)


And just maybe that's the point....

Adrian wrote:

> 
> arthur daley (drs100@Tesc.cam.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
> 
> > I didn't know anything about this new MOT system -- having to produce a
> > registration certificate before the car could be MOT'd
> >
> > question is what the hell do you do if you can't find the new reg cert
> > and you need an mot?
> 
> Or, indeed, what the hell you do if you're MOTing a new import.
> 
> You need an MOT before you can get a V5.
> If you need a V5 before you can get an MOT...


Tell me about it. And now the new V5C which they haven't informed me about.
If I send back the V5 for replacement, I risk losing it and wont be able to
get road tax. Some silly games to solve the congestion problem, I suppose ;-)

Johannes (johs@spamblock100023sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


> Tell me about it. And now the new V5C which they haven't informed me
> about. If I send back the V5 for replacement, I risk losing it and
> wont be able to get road tax.


You don't need to send the V5 back to get a V5C.

It might be worth your while looking up the details on 
www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk to see if DVLA think that they've sent you a new 
one - a quick phone call on Monday should see it sorted.

In article , volff@gmail.com 
says...

> Be prepared to spend a bit longer than before at the testing station.
> It takes longer to do the paperwork.
> 

Yep, Been and tested the Celica at the weekend. Passed, was tested in 30 
mins, and paper work done in another ten.

I asked about the computerised system. He said they hadn't had it 
fitted, or a date yet, but whereas they take 30mins for a clean car, to 
40 mins for a shed+ ten mins paperwork, the computerised systems are 
taking 1hr 10 minutes minimum, even if there is absolutley nothing wrong 
with the car.
-- 
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