A friend as recently moved into a new house and has a gift i brought her 3 
ceiling fans - for the living room and the 2 bedrooms, this afternoon i came 
to install them for her and noticed when i removed the old light fittings 
there was no earth cable, on the ceiling fans it states under no 
circumstances must these fans be installed without a earth.

Now as i am unable to return the fans (lost reciept) is there anything i can 
do to solve this problem apart from getting a electrician out.


Thanks 


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Not a lot - property should be rewired !



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> A friend as recently moved into a new house and has a gift i brought her 3
> ceiling fans - for the living room and the 2 bedrooms, this afternoon i
came
> to install them for her and noticed when i removed the old light fittings
> there was no earth cable, on the ceiling fans it states under no
> circumstances must these fans be installed without a earth.
>
> Now as i am unable to return the fans (lost reciept) is there anything i
can
> do to solve this problem apart from getting a electrician out.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
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"bob"  wrote in message 
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> Not a lot - property should be rewired !
>
>


Thanks for the reply m8 much appreciated i`ll let her know and i`ll hold 
back on installing these until the work has been done. 


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"G3Wh)zZ@"  wrote in message
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>
> "bob"  wrote in message
> news:42b1af67$0$2392$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> > Not a lot - property should be rewired !
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for the reply m8 much appreciated i`ll let her know and i`ll hold
> back on installing these until the work has been done.
>

Are you absolutely sure that there is no earth?
My light fittings had an earth wire folded back out of the way, and it just
wasn't easily visible.

Steve

"G3Wh)zZ@"  wrote in message
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> A friend as recently moved into a new house and has a gift i brought her 3
> ceiling fans - for the living room and the 2 bedrooms, this afternoon i
came
> to install them for her and noticed when i removed the old light fittings
> there was no earth cable, on the ceiling fans it states under no
> circumstances must these fans be installed without a earth.
>
> Now as i am unable to return the fans (lost reciept) is there anything i
can
> do to solve this problem apart from getting a electrician out.
>
> Thanks
>

You should make absolutely sure that the fitting isn't already earthed to
the rose or the conduit box that it is fitted to.  Find out how the ceiling
rose is fixed to the ceiling.  If it is just screwed up to the plaster with
standard screw nails, then you should look behind the rose for an earth wire
which hasn't been pulled through in to the rose.

If the rose is fitted to a conduit box, then the box may already be earthed,
and this should easily be extended through in to the rose for the new fan
suite to be installed.

Check it all fully first, before going off for a sparks to make money on it.
Of course, if you definitely can't find any earth connecting wiring, then it
really should be rewired to bring it up to scratch for modern fittings.

Cheers guys for the replies....

I will check a bit later maybe go in the loft to see what is really going 
on. 


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"G3Wh)zZ@"  wrote in message 
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>A friend as recently moved into a new house and has a gift i brought her 3 
>ceiling fans - for the living room and the 2 bedrooms, this afternoon i 
>came to install them for her and noticed when i removed the old light 
>fittings there was no earth cable, on the ceiling fans it states under no 
>circumstances must these fans be installed without a earth.
>
> Now as i am unable to return the fans (lost reciept) is there anything i 
> can do to solve this problem apart from getting a electrician out.
>


Would'nt an earth wire from the incoming cold pipe at the tank in the loft 
do ?
just run a wire from the cold pipe to the ceiling rose ?
Could be wrong (Probalby am) but its the safe option although prob not by 
the book.
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>
> "G3Wh)zZ@"  wrote in message 
> news:42b1a356$0$6491$a15e20c9@news.newsgroupdirect.com...
>>A friend as recently moved into a new house and has a gift i brought her 3 
>>ceiling fans - for the living room and the 2 bedrooms, this afternoon i 
>>came to install them for her and noticed when i removed the old light 
>>fittings there was no earth cable, on the ceiling fans it states under no 
>>circumstances must these fans be installed without a earth.
>>
>> Now as i am unable to return the fans (lost reciept) is there anything i 
>> can do to solve this problem apart from getting a electrician out.
>>
>
> Would'nt an earth wire from the incoming cold pipe at the tank in the loft 
> do ?
> just run a wire from the cold pipe to the ceiling rose ?
> Could be wrong (Probalby am) but its the safe option although prob not by 
> the book.
> -- 
> Vass

Or what about the earth wiring from the shower? or is that lethal?> 


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In article ,
	"Vass"  writes:

> 
> Would'nt an earth wire from the incoming cold pipe at the tank in the loft 
> do ?


Definately not.


> just run a wire from the cold pipe to the ceiling rose ?
> Could be wrong (Probalby am) but its the safe option although prob not by 
> the book.


You might well end up with live bits of plumbing all over the
house if the fan develops a fault. Not a smart move at all.

If the lighting circuit has no earth conductor, all the lights
and other appliances on it must be double insulated, no metal
switches either, and a rewire should be scheduled. If the
insulation on the cables is rubber, this should be done with
some urgency.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

Re: Rubber insulated cables:

I remember rewiring houses when I was an apprentice.

They were wired using vulcanised rubber.

As your unscrewed the switches/sockets  the insulating literally just fell
off the conductors !!!.

CG



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> In article ,
> "Vass"  writes:
> >
> > Would'nt an earth wire from the incoming cold pipe at the tank in the
loft
> > do ?
>
> Definately not.
>
> > just run a wire from the cold pipe to the ceiling rose ?
> > Could be wrong (Probalby am) but its the safe option although prob not
by
> > the book.
>
> You might well end up with live bits of plumbing all over the
> house if the fan develops a fault. Not a smart move at all.
>
> If the lighting circuit has no earth conductor, all the lights
> and other appliances on it must be double insulated, no metal
> switches either, and a rewire should be scheduled. If the
> insulation on the cables is rubber, this should be done with
> some urgency.
>
> --
> Andrew Gabriel

"Blueyonder"  wrote in message
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> Re: Rubber insulated cables:
>
> I remember rewiring houses when I was an apprentice.
>
> They were wired using vulcanised rubber.
>
> As your unscrewed the switches/sockets  the insulating literally just fell
> off the conductors !!!.
>
> CG
>

I hated the lead covered stuff with the waxed paper and fabric insulation.
Although it was great to make natural bends around corners.  Looked quite
professional really.  :-)

Cheers for the replies, the wiring it`s self doesn`t look old just doesn`t 
have a earth, anyway i have passed the info on to her. 


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G3£Wh)zZ@ wrote:


> Cheers for the replies, the wiring it`s self doesn`t look old just doesn`t
> have a earth, anyway i have passed the info on to her.


various options

1. rewire the house
2. take an earth connection from an earth wire on another circuit
3. Add an earth wire from the fusebox, run it to the light fitting(s)
4. not recommended, but works: fit an rcd on the lighting circuit and
fit fan unearthed. This is not now regs compliant, so i dont recommend
it.

2 is the best option, 3 next best.


NT

PS is the shower earth lethal? Youd be in trouble if it was eh?

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G3Wh)zZ@ wrote:


> Cheers for the replies, the wiring it`s self doesn`t look old just doesn`t
> have a earth, anyway i have passed the info on to her.


various options

1. rewire the house
2. take an earth connection from an earth wire on another circuit
3. Add an earth wire from the fusebox, run it to the light fitting(s)
4. not recommended, but works: fit an rcd on the lighting circuit and
fit fan unearthed. This is not now regs compliant, so i dont recommend
it.

2 is the best option, 3 next best.


NT

PS is the shower earth lethal? Youd be in trouble if it was eh?


Lol i told her and i dont know what she is going to do , i think i`ll have 
to hold onto them until she decides. 


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