I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
the back).

I think only one of tha nails has actually gone into the tyre, and it
isn't loosing any air.  My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
driving with two nails in it!  Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.

Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
faulty :o.

Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.

On 13 Jun 2005 12:18:04 -0700, petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:


>I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
>spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
>I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
>idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
>recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
>buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
>the back).


Cracking tyres = Massive decompression when they explode = Replace all
four.  Treat yourself to something nice.  Four new Michelins perhaps?
Oh, and placed like National Tyres & Autocare will even Insure your
tyres for something like a fiver.

I'm not sure how the scale works but if they puncture within the first
you you get a new tyre, afterwards you get a percentage of the price
until 5 years when you get 10% off from the next tyre you buy.  It
works on miles I think.

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> Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.

Get some new tyres, they're one of the most important parts of a car.


> My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
> said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
> driving with two nails in it!

Your dad's a fool.  Yeah, I don't like spacesaver spares either (especially 
as mine is about a third of the width of my 225s on the rear) but nails are 
not good.


> Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
> the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> faulty :o.
>

Last time I had to replace a tyre for a nail was on one of the rears - both 
weren't too worn.  So, I put the semi-good ones from the front and put them 
on the rear.  Then replaced both the worn ones that were on the rear to 
start with.

wrote:


> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).


Get a set of 4 budget brand tyres.

Can't remember the size on a Sei, but ISTR they're only 135/70R13, so
they'll be dirt cheap.

(I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)
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"Nick"  wrote in message 
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> I'm not sure how the scale works but if they puncture within the first
> you you get a new tyre, afterwards you get a percentage of the price
> until 5 years when you get 10% off from the next tyre you buy.  It
> works on miles I think.
>

That'd be a cracking deal - do they cover them wearing out too? :-)  My 
rears are lucky to last a year / 10,000 miles  (and I don't drive silly, I 
had well over 33K miles from the front tyres of my FWD Celica years back).

SteveH wrote:

>  wrote:
>
> > I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> > spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> > I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> > idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> > recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> > buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> > the back).
>
> Get a set of 4 budget brand tyres.


I want some good ones really, but I'll see what they've got.


> Can't remember the size on a Sei, but ISTR they're only 135/70R13, so
> they'll be dirt cheap.
>
> (I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
> you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)


Not at all lol, and I drive on NSL roads now.

wrote:


> > (I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
> > you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)
> 
> Not at all lol, and I drive on NSL roads now.


You missed out 'slowly'.
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> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.

Right.

> What do you think
> I should do?


Don't listen to your dad.


> My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).


Aquaplane?  You've encountered this?

All tyres sound knackered.


> I think only one of tha nails has actually gone into the tyre, and it
> isn't loosing any air.  My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
> said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
> driving with two nails in it!  Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.


Spare or spacesaver?  Many spacesavers have a maximum speed of 50 mph and a 
maximum distance of 50.  I don't think you will approach these limits.


> Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
> the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> faulty :o.


All four are shot.  The fronts because they're too old, the rears because 
they're worn out.


> Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.


Replace all four.

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>
> SteveH wrote:
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
>> > spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
>> > I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
>> > idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
>> > recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
>> > buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
>> > the back).
>>
>> Get a set of 4 budget brand tyres.
>
> I want some good ones really, but I'll see what they've got.


No, don't see what they have, do some research.

Have a look at the online tyre companies.

Michelins lasted for an absolute age.  My Cinq's fronts would have lasted 
for 60,000 miles...


>> Can't remember the size on a Sei, but ISTR they're only 135/70R13, so
>> they'll be dirt cheap.
>>
>> (I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
>> you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)
>
> Not at all lol, and I drive on NSL roads now.




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The message 
from petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com contains these words:


> The rears are... well buggered, so I don't want them on the front
> (they don't aqua plane on the back).


Oh, God, not /this/ one again.

Anyway - yes, just get the tyres fixed. The tyre shop will advise
whether it's advisable, not your dad.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

DervMan wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1118690284.341009.126290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> > spare on, and need to do something about the nails.
>
> Right.
>
> > What do you think
> > I should do?
>
> Don't listen to your dad.
>
> > My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> > idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> > recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> > buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> > the back).
>
> Aquaplane?  You've encountered this?


Yeah, a couple of times, but not recently.  I think it's because my
rears (used to be on the front) are badly worn at the edges.  Since
moving them to the back I haven't had any problems with aqua planning,
and I did push hard (too hard) in the wet a few days ago.


> All tyres sound knackered.
>
> > I think only one of tha nails has actually gone into the tyre, and it
> > isn't loosing any air.  My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
> > said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
> > driving with two nails in it!  Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> > on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.
>
> Spare or spacesaver?  Many spacesavers have a maximum speed of 50 mph and a
> maximum distance of 50.  I don't think you will approach these limits.


NSL's most of the way to work, but only 15 miles in total.  I just
reallised, I'll probably be getting tailgaters doing 50mph.  Hopefully
the idiots will see my red wheel, and reallise that I can't go faster.

My normal route is a very twisty NSL with a poor surface.  The speed
varies a lot, but ranges between 20mph, and 60mph on that road.  This
is a very dodgy road at the best of times though.  I had to slam the
brakes on today for a Golf (typical) comming around the corner crossing
the centre of the road.  Dunno, maybe I could just take this road
slowly?


> > Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> > across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
> > the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> > replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> > faulty :o.
>
> All four are shot.  The fronts because they're too old, the rears because
> they're worn out.
>
> > Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> > both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> > reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.
> 
> Replace all four.


I think I probably will.

SteveH wrote:

> 
> (I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
> you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)


Hey, which ones did you find to be good for grip/handling when you had 
your Cinq?

DervMan wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1118692635.329570.294410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > SteveH wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a set of 4 budget brand tyres.
> >
> > I want some good ones really, but I'll see what they've got.
>
> No, don't see what they have, do some research.
>
> Have a look at the online tyre companies.


I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
spare off ASAP.


> Michelins lasted for an absolute age.  My Cinq's fronts would have lasted
> for 60,000 miles...


I think most tyres will on a Sei/Cinq.  My car's done 41k, two are
cracking due to age (but otherwise like new), and the other two are
still legal.  I suspect that the tracking was out at one point which
caused the wear on the edges of the fronts.  If I rotate the tyres I
would expect them to do well over 50,000 miles (6 years at this rate).
If the car hasn't rusted away by then I'd be quite pleased, my door's
looking very suspect :-( ).

wrote:


> > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
> >
> > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
> 
> I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
> spare off ASAP.


http://www.etyres.co.uk

They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.
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T.  wrote:


> SteveH wrote:
> > 
> > (I don't usually recommend budget brands, but you drive like a Nun, so
> > you wouldn't take advantage of sticky rubber)
> 
> Hey, which ones did you find to be good for grip/handling when you had
> your Cinq?


The Pirelli P700s were the best, and also, at one point, the only tyre
in that fitment.

However, I changed profile and started buying Coopers. Not quite as
grippy as the P700s, but they were half the price and made the handling
less 'snappy' - especially once the car had been lowered.
-- 
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
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SteveH wrote:

> 
> 
> The Pirelli P700s were the best, and also, at one point, the only tyre
> in that fitment.
> 
> However, I changed profile and started buying Coopers. Not quite as
> grippy as the P700s, but they were half the price and made the handling
> less 'snappy' - especially once the car had been lowered.


Excellent - tnanks!

SteveH wrote:

>  wrote:
>
> > > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
> > >
> > > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
> >
> > I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
> > spare off ASAP.
>
> http://www.etyres.co.uk
>
> They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.


I suspect that they can't do it within 10 hrs though :-(

wrote:


> SteveH wrote:
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
> > > >
> > > > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
> > >
> > > I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
> > > spare off ASAP.
> >
> > http://www.etyres.co.uk
> >
> > They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.
> 
> I suspect that they can't do it within 10 hrs though :-(


You may be wrong there. Give 'em a bell 1st thing in the morning, I
called late afternoon and they did it for me lunchtime the following
day.
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>
>
> SteveH wrote:
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
>> > >
>> > > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
>> >
>> > I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
>> > spare off ASAP.
>>
>> http://www.etyres.co.uk
>>
>> They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.
>
> I suspect that they can't do it within 10 hrs though :-(



What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?  If so, don't worry so much about 
running on the spacesaver.

Ring the tyre company, many offer same day.  By their very virtue, tyres are 
immediate-replacement items.

You're being lazy.  Lazy people pay more for stuff.

-- 
The DervMan
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(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were 
saying :


> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?


Change it.


> My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good idea?


It's as good as ANY of your father's ideas about cars.


> Both fronts have LOADS of tread, but are cracking due to age.
> The rears are... well buggered


Go and buy FOUR new tyres.


> My dad ... said 'I don't like driving on spares'


Your dad's a fuckwit. What is the difference between the spare and the ones 
on? It's not as if it's going to be a spacesaver, ffs.


> I told him it's better than driving with two nails in it!


For once, Peter, you got it right. Although better phrasing would have been 
"Shut up, you cretinous know-nothing loon"


> Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.


Surely it's not a spacesaver? FFS, the Sei is going to have NORMAL tyres 
about the size of a spacesaver...


> it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> faulty :o.


All FOUR are fucked, according to your description. Replace the lot.

"petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com" petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote in
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>
> Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> across the road from where I work.


Phone Bracknell Tyre on 01344 411323 and get a quote. It's an easy 20
minutes from your work but involves using the M4 so you'd probably end up in
Cardiff.

Get Humphreys or National (i've used both - prefer Humphreys) to price
match.

> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).


If they're starting to crack due to age then I'd get them replaced, as 
possibly a repair might not last as well on an older tyre with the rubber 
perished a bit.  I may, of course, be talking shite, but that'd be my guess.

Mind you, it might be worth getting the punctures repaired if the tyre place 
can do 2 repairs for a discount as they're on the same tyre, but it could be 
the case that if the two punctures are quite close together then it's not 
something they'll want to touch.

Is the spare exactly the correct size, and how much tread does that have 
left?  If it's virtually new, then leave it as a spare, but otherwise, it 
*might* be worth getting the punctures repaired (if viable), using that 
wheel as a spare (being sure to check its pressure regularly - you don't 
want to be stuck when you need it), then get the tyre on the spare replaced.

A few months back I had to replace two tyres on the van that still had a 
good 4-5mm of tread left, but one had a puncture, and both had been losing 
pressure (only very gradually, but it's a PITA to have to keep on topping 
them up to the tune of about 5-10psi/week, when they really should barely be 
losing any).  It's a lesson learned - previously I'd always just made the 
rears last and last and last, and just replaced the fronts - now I'll be 
rotating them, so no tyre has to go into forced early retirement due to old 
age (an oxymoron?).

Peter

>> Have a look at the online tyre companies.
>
> I haven't really got a choice where to go though.

Why?

> I wanna take the
> spare off ASAP.


Why?  Is there anything wrong with it?

IIRC you're around Reading - I don't know off the top of my head and decent 
tyre places in Reading, but phone around - people are always doing good 
deals.  I'd recommend Bracknell Tyre and Battery for price and service, but 
on skinny little tyres like on your Sei the saving's not going to be that 
much so I'd just go somewhere local.  In general I've heard much better 
stories about Nationa Tyres+Autocare than KwikFit, and that certainly 
reflects my own experiences.

Peter

>> > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
>> >
>> > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
>>
>> I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
>> spare off ASAP.
>
> http://www.etyres.co.uk
>
> They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.


That's no good.  I'd want tyres fitted onto a wheel rim.

Peter

AstraVanMan (Peter@Whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk) gurgled happily, 
sounding much like they were saying :


>> http://www.etyres.co.uk
>>
>> They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.

> That's no good.  I'd want tyres fitted onto a wheel rim.


<groan>
<slap>

In article , 
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...

> ve got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).
> 

You need 4 new tyres.

Etyres MidPrice 135/70Tr13 £135.60inc VAT for 4 including fitting.

A lot of the mobile companies will even do it in the company car park, 
they will tell you they have arrived, take keys, fit the tyres, give you 
back the keys and you sign for them. Job jobbed.

Check the tyre pressure is correct on the way home, and you are done.
-- 
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Adrian wrote:

> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
> > I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> > spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> > I should do?
>
> Change it.
>
> > My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good idea?
>
> It's as good as ANY of your father's ideas about cars.
>
> > Both fronts have LOADS of tread, but are cracking due to age.
> > The rears are... well buggered
>
> Go and buy FOUR new tyres.
>
> > My dad ... said 'I don't like driving on spares'
>
> Your dad's a fuckwit. What is the difference between the spare and the ones
> on? It's not as if it's going to be a spacesaver, ffs.


Err, I believe it is a space saver!  Max speed 50mph, and I belive it's
thinner.


> > I told him it's better than driving with two nails in it!
>
> For once, Peter, you got it right. Although better phrasing would have been
> "Shut up, you cretinous know-nothing loon"
>
> > Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> > on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.
>
> Surely it's not a spacesaver? FFS, the Sei is going to have NORMAL tyres
> about the size of a spacesaver...

It is!

> > it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> > replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> > faulty :o.
>
> All FOUR are fucked, according to your description. Replace the lot.

DervMan wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1118695408.388330.247820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?  If so, don't worry so much about
> running on the spacesaver.


Nope, it's about 31 miles/day now.

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).
>
> I think only one of tha nails has actually gone into the tyre, and it
> isn't loosing any air.  My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
> said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
> driving with two nails in it!  Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.
>
> Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
> the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> faulty :o.
>
> Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.


I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me £180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
tight?

> Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.


<<I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
tight?>>

HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices (like 
Bracknell Tyre + Battery) or even phoning a few different places?  That 
seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.  I'd have thought 25-30/tyre for a 
decent brand would be a decent price to pay.  And how the hell do you know 
that the nuts are too tight?  And well done for checking the tyre pressures. 
Tyre places *should* either look it up on a chart, or ask you what pressure 
you run them at, but you can expect them to not get it right a lot of the 
time.

Is it bad to leave nuts too tight?  Well, if they're massively overtightened 
then it could put extra stresses, but I don't know how tight they are, and 
neither do you.  Ask your Dad.

Peter

AstraVanMan wrote:

> > Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> > both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> > reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.
>
> <<I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me £180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
> bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
> much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> tight?>>
>
> HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices (like
> Bracknell Tyre  Battery) or even phoning a few different places?  That
> seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.  I'd have thought £25-30/tyre for a
> decent brand would be a decent price to pay.


Well, the problem is I've got a new job, and don't really have the time
to get them from anywhere else.  I got just over £20 off what they
should've been.

Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
The cheapest etyres do for my car are £37.90 each, and they are
unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is £55.90,
my P3000's were £45 each.



> And how the hell do you know
> that the nuts are too tight?


The torque should be 89Nm IIRC.  I tried undoing them with my torque
wrench set at a little over 100Nm, and they wouldn't budge.  I decided
to undo them with a spider instead, but they didn't seem too bad
dispite being more than they should've been.


> And well done for checking the tyre pressures.
> Tyre places *should* either look it up on a chart, or ask you what pressure
> you run them at, but you can expect them to not get it right a lot of the
> time.
>
> Is it bad to leave nuts too tight?  Well, if they're massively overtightened
> then it could put extra stresses, but I don't know how tight they are, and
> neither do you.  Ask your Dad.


lol

> <<I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
> bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
> much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> tight?>>
>
> HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices (like
> Bracknell Tyre + Battery) or even phoning a few different places?  That
> seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.  I'd have thought 25-30/tyre for a
> decent brand would be a decent price to pay.


<<Well, the problem is I've got a new job, and don't really have the time
to get them from anywhere else.  I got just over 20 off what they
should've been.>>

Fair enough, it's not absolutely extortionate, not like you paid 100/tyre 
or anything, I suppose.

<<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
The cheapest etyres do for my car are 37.90 each, and they are
unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is 55.90,
my P3000's were 45 each.>>

What size are they again?


> And how the hell do you know
> that the nuts are too tight?


<<The torque should be 89Nm IIRC.  I tried undoing them with my torque
wrench set at a little over 100Nm, and they wouldn't budge.  I decided
to undo them with a spider instead, but they didn't seem too bad
dispite being more than they should've been.>>

No no no no no.  Your torque wrench is adjustable to set the torque for 
tightening things up - it clicks to tell you you're tightening to that 
torque.  Undoing is irrelevant.  I may be wrong, but I don't think there's 
any way of telling how tight something's been tightened up after the event, 
short of loosening it and re-torquing it to a known torque.

Peter

AstraVanMan wrote:

> > <<I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me £180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> > seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
> > bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
> > much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> > tight?>>
> >
> > HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices (like
> > Bracknell Tyre  Battery) or even phoning a few different places?  That
> > seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.  I'd have thought £25-30/tyre for a
> > decent brand would be a decent price to pay.
>
> <<Well, the problem is I've got a new job, and don't really have the time
> to get them from anywhere else.  I got just over £20 off what they
> should've been.>>
>
> Fair enough, it's not absolutely extortionate, not like you paid £100/tyre
> or anything, I suppose.
>
> <<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> The cheapest etyres do for my car are £37.90 each, and they are
> unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is £55.90,
> my P3000's were £45 each.>>
> 
> What size are they again?


165 55 13, and is it H?

> <<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> The cheapest etyres do for my car are 37.90 each, and they are
> unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is 55.90,
> my P3000's were 45 each.>>
>
> What size are they again?


<<165 55 13, and is it H?>>

I don't know.  You tell me.

Peter

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>> What size are they again?
>
>165 55 13, and is it H?


Tee hee - my car, which has over twice the power of yours and is somewhat 
bigger, only gets 165/70 14's.

But then I was surprised when I saw boggo fiestas with 185s out of the 
factory - same width as the 205 1.9 Gti I think.

cheers,
clive

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petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

> I've got two nails in one of my tyres (front near side).  I've got the
> spare on, and need to do something about the nails.  What do you think
> I should do?  My dad suggested getting it repaired, is this a good
> idea?  Both fronts have LOADS of tread (they were on the rear until
> recently), but are cracking due to age.  The rears are... well
> buggered, so I don't want them on the front (they don't aqua plane on
> the back).
>
> I think only one of tha nails has actually gone into the tyre, and it
> isn't loosing any air.  My dad sprayed some leak detector on it, he
> said 'I don't like driving on spares', I told him it's better than
> driving with two nails in it!  Tommorrow's going to be very slow though
> on the spare, and I'll probably do a different route.
>
> Anyway I'll be getting the work done at National Tyres because it's
> across the road from where I work.  I never considered replacing just
> the one on it's own, but it seems that my dad didn't even consider
> replacing both.  He thinks I'd be mad to replace both when only one is
> faulty :o.
>
> Anyway my options are to repair it (if it can be repaired), or replace
> both.  I'll also need to decide which type of tyres to get.  It's a V
> reg 899cc Fiat Seicento SX btw.

>I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
>seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures were 1.9
>bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
>much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
>tight?


OH NO!!!
had to stop reading last thread as I was loosing the will to live.........

In article <1gy460d.22mn831ttigt2N%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, 
steve@italiancar.co.uk says...

>  wrote:
> 
> > > No, don't see what they have, do some research.
> > >
> > > Have a look at the online tyre companies.
> > 
> > I haven't really got a choice where to go though.  I wanna take the
> > spare off ASAP.
> 
> http://www.etyres.co.uk
> 
> They'll fit 'em on your doorstep.
> 


You may also want to try blackcircles.com

I'm after a pair of Pirelli P6000s. etyres are quoting 85 (fitted on your 
doorstep), or I can go to a garage a mile down the road, and get them for 
71 each.

Now all I've got to do is find out the speed rating (V I think, but H 
should be good enough, but I'll stick with V if it's the OEM rating), and 
decide which tyres I'd like.

Then figure out which end I want them put on! <runs away giggling!>

Pete.

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The message 
from petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com contains these words:


>  Should I loosen the nuts, 


Yes. Completely. Then leave 'em that way and put us all out of our misery!

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

In news:3h8qv7Ffr0fgU1@individual.net,
Angus McCoatup  decided to enlighten our sheltered 
souls with a rant as follows


>> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which
>> doesn't seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures
>> were 1.9
>> bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
>> much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
>> tight?
>
> OH NO!!!
> had to stop reading last thread as I was loosing the will to
> live.........


*ARRGH*

It's *losing*, not "loosing".

My pet hate spelling mistake, that is.

-- 
Pete M
"If it does more than 20 mpg in town, I don't want it"
Range Rover Vogue SE,
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Ford Capri (ressurection started)

COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


>> Your dad's a fuckwit. What is the difference between the spare and
>> the ones on? It's not as if it's going to be a spacesaver, ffs.

> Err, I believe it is a space saver!  Max speed 50mph, and I belive
> it's thinner.


<boggle> But... but... but... the normal tyres are 135. How much space can 
be saved?

In that case, fair enough to not want to drive on the spacesaver as much - 
'orrible things.

Your old man's still a clueless fuckwit, though.

AstraVanMan (Peter@Whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying : 


> HFM?  
> That seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.


If it's an unusual size, they may well be a lot more per tyre than a more 
common but larger size.

In article , 
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...

> > <<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> > The cheapest etyres do for my car are 37.90 each, and they are
> > unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is 55.90,
> > my P3000's were 45 each.>>
> > 
> > What size are they again?
> 
> 165 55 13, and is it H?
> 
> 


sounds like its too late, but why on earth are you putting that size 
tyre on a non-sporting 'cento?  Can't be sure about the Sei, but with 
the Cinquecento only the Sportings came with 165/55x13s as standard, and 
the others had 155/65x13s which I would hope were cheaper than 165/55s 
which are unique to Cinqs and Seis (and when first released, you had a 
choice of Pirelli P7000s or nothing).  

My Sporting is running 175/50x13s which are cheaper and have a wider 
range of brands, but require 5.5" rims (I imagine yours are 5" steels?) 
and anyway sound like overkill if you can get 41000miles out of a set of 
fronts.  I got 12,000 per set out of the original P7000s, 15,000 out of  
my current P5000 Dragos...

-- 
Tim (t.a.vincent@freewheeling.com)

Tim Vincent (t.a.vincent@freewheeling.com) gurgled happily, sounding much 
like they were saying :


>> 165 55 13, and is it H?

> sounds like its too late, but why on earth are you putting that size 
> tyre on a non-sporting 'cento?


Pirelli's webshite suggests for 900cc Sei :-
145/70R13 71T - P3000 ENERGY
155/65R13 73T - P3000 ENERGY
165/55R13 70H - P700-Z
175/50R14 74V - P6000

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

> DervMan wrote:
> 
>> wrote in message
>>news:1118695408.388330.247820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?  If so, don't worry so much about
>>running on the spacesaver.
> 
> 
> Nope, it's about 31 miles/day now.
> 


Mummy *wow*, I'm a big kid now...

AstraVanMan wrote:

> 
> HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices (like 
> Bracknell Tyre + Battery) or even phoning a few different places?  That 


I paid 24 there for the cheapest on they do in the same size.

T. (nntp-DOT-dump@zen.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were 
saying :


> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?

>> Nope, it's about 31 miles/day now.

> Mummy *wow*, I'm a big kid now...


8 miles there in the morning.
8 miles home for lunch.
8 miles back after lunch.
8 miles back at night.

AstraVanMan wrote:

>> <<I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which
>> doesn't seem bad.  They were the only ones they had.  The pressures
>> were 1.9
>> bar instead of 2.1 bar, and the nuts were too tight (possibly not by
>> much though).  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
>> tight?>>
>>
>> HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices
>> (like Bracknell Tyre + Battery) or even phoning a few different
>> places?  That seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.  I'd have
>> thought 25-30/tyre for a decent brand would be a decent price to
>> pay.
>
> <<Well, the problem is I've got a new job, and don't really have the
> time to get them from anywhere else.  I got just over 20 off what
> they should've been.>>
>
> Fair enough, it's not absolutely extortionate, not like you paid
> 100/tyre or anything, I suppose.
>
> <<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> The cheapest etyres do for my car are 37.90 each, and they are
> unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is 55.90,
> my P3000's were 45 each.>>
>
> What size are they again?


FWIW, when I ran a Ka (tyres < 10k, brakes every 5 :D), the tyres were never
really cheap (ie, 30 a corner for Uniroyals at the cheapest tyre place in
the universe), because only the Ka used that size. Possibly something
similar on the Fiat Crapton.

In message , 
Adrian  writes

>AstraVanMan (Peter@Whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk) gurgled happily,
>sounding much like they were saying :
>
>> HFM?
>> That seems a bit steep for miniature tyres.
>
>If it's an unusual size, they may well be a lot more per tyre than a more
>common but larger size.


'Tis true. On the Pug, I used to pay more for 185/55/15s than the same 
tyre in 195/50/15s. Wider, lower profile and cheaper. Often thought 
about changing the tyre size, but never got round to doing four at once.

-- 
Steve Walker

In message <42af3c42$0$18642$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Pete M 
 writes


>> OH NO!!!
>> had to stop reading last thread as I was loosing the will to
>> live.........
>
>*ARRGH*
>
>It's *losing*, not "loosing".
>
>My pet hate spelling mistake, that is.


Might not be a mistake. Cry "bollocks" and let loose the will to live!

-- 
Steve Walker

In article , 
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...

> Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> The cheapest etyres do for my car are £37.90 each, and they are
> unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is £55.90,
> my P3000's were £45 each.
> 

Did you see my post about ETyres £135 for midpriced tyres?
Their midpriced are branded, but you might not know what brand you are 
getting until they arrive. 
-- 
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article , 
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...

> 165 55 13, and is it H?
> 


Accordign to e-tyres, depending which small Sei you have (Citymatic, S, 
or MIA) they were either 135/70Tr13 or 145/65Tr13. Priced below are the 
135/70's

Etyres MidPrice 135/70Tr13 £135.60inc VAT for 4 including fitting.
If the tyres are the wrong size, your speedo wil be out. although the 
size you have listed seems about right if it should have the skinnier 
ones on as standard. But T not H rated. You might grip a little better 
now.
-- 
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Sleeker GT Phwoar (carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com) gurgled happily, 
sounding much like they were saying :


>> 165 55 13, and is it H?

> Accordign to e-tyres, depending which small Sei you have (Citymatic, S, 
> or MIA) they were either 135/70Tr13 or 145/65Tr13. 
> But T not H rated. 

> You might grip a little better now.


This is Peter we're talking about. His grip is tenuous at best.

In article , 
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...

>  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> tight?
> 
> 

Better too tight than too loose.
The tyre place will do them properly for you, and they have a machine 
that can remove nuts you would find impossible.
-- 
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article , 
toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...

> This is Peter we're talking about. His grip is tenuous at best.
> 

Yup, I know, but the cars should be fine.
The only rubber that will help peter's grip tends only to be produced in 
exclusive wallpaper patterns.
-- 
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Err, I believe it is a space saver!  Max speed 50mph, and I belive it's
> thinner.
> 
> 


I can't believe you have a space saver. My Fiat (way older than yours) 
has 170/55 R13's and the spare is a proper one.

The Sei must really suck.

(petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


> Err, I believe it is a space saver!


<thinks>
Given that somebody seems to have put bigger boots on your Sei at some 
stage, could it just be that the spare hasn't been upgraded.

The message 
from Sleeker GT Phwoar  contains these words:


> >  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> > tight?
> > 
> > 
> Better too tight than too loose.


For wheel nuts? 

I'd rather have 'em slightly loose - you get a few minutes clonking at
least before they come adrift. If they're all overtight and one goes you
can get a chain reaction as the load spreads to the other bolts. I had
this happen many years ago on the family's Morris 2200.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

>> HFM?  Did you not bother phoning a well known place for cheap prices 
>> (like Bracknell Tyre + Battery) or even phoning a few different places? 
>> That
>
> I paid 24 there for the cheapest on they do in the same size.


Aye, they're pretty good on price - probably around 35/tyre for branded 
ones then.  Possibly a bit more - given Peter's time constraints, it doesn't 
sound like 45/tyre all in was too terrible really.  I'll still always opt 
to pay the least amount possible for the same product as long as the service 
is good.

As an aside - anyone in the Reading area seen the tyre place just off Rose 
Kiln Lane (coming towards it from Boulton Road) - forget the name of them, 
but they've got a sign outside that says something along the lines of "Tyres 
from 6.99 each".  What are they?  Bicycle tyres??

Peter

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
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>
> As an aside - anyone in the Reading area seen the tyre place just off Rose 
> Kiln Lane (coming towards it from Boulton Road) - forget the name of them, 
> but they've got a sign outside that says something along the lines of 
> "Tyres from 6.99 each".  What are they?  Bicycle tyres??


Part worn?

In article , 
guy.king@zetnet.co.uk says...

> The message 
> from Sleeker GT Phwoar  contains these words:
> 
> > >  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> > > tight?
> > > 
> > > 
> > Better too tight than too loose.
> 
> For wheel nuts? 
> 
> I'd rather have 'em slightly loose - you get a few minutes clonking at
> least before they come adrift. If they're all overtight and one goes you
> can get a chain reaction as the load spreads to the other bolts. I had
> this happen many years ago on the family's Morris 2200.
> 
> 

Well there are extremes.
Can you see peter knowing what to do about a loose wheel, other than 
chase it into the 3rd lane on foot?
-- 
"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf"
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
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In news:mUc67Ffaq1rCFw$V@otolith.demon.co.uk,
Steve Walker  decided to enlighten our sheltered 
souls with a rant as follows

> In message <42af3c42$0$18642$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Pete M
>  writes
>
>>> OH NO!!!
>>> had to stop reading last thread as I was loosing the will to
>>> live.........
>>
>> *ARRGH*
>>
>> It's *losing*, not "loosing".
>>
>> My pet hate spelling mistake, that is.
>
> Might not be a mistake. Cry "bollocks" and let loose the will to live!


Heh, I didn't spot the possibly jokey intentions.

Too busy hating the spellage!


-- 
Pete M
"If it does more than 20 mpg in town, I don't want it"
Range Rover Vogue SE,
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Ford Capri (ressurection started)

COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

The message 
from Sleeker GT Phwoar  contains these words:


> Can you see peter knowing what to do about a loose wheel, other than 
> chase it into the 3rd lane on foot?


Nope.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

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> DervMan wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>> news:1118695408.388330.247820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?  If so, don't worry so much about
>> running on the spacesaver.
>
> Nope, it's about 31 miles/day now.



Eee you have a day and a half before you can start worrying about it.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
>>> Your dad's a fuckwit. What is the difference between the spare and
>>> the ones on? It's not as if it's going to be a spacesaver, ffs.
>
>> Err, I believe it is a space saver!  Max speed 50mph, and I belive
>> it's thinner.
>
> <boggle> But... but... but... the normal tyres are 135. How much space can
> be saved?


155s as I recall, so, an inch.

Hey an inch is a lot in the boot of the Cinquecento. :)


> In that case, fair enough to not want to drive on the spacesaver as much -
> 'orrible things.
>
> Your old man's still a clueless fuckwit, though.



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"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
>> Err, I believe it is a space saver!
>
> <thinks>
> Given that somebody seems to have put bigger boots on your Sei at some
> stage, could it just be that the spare hasn't been upgraded.


No it's a Fiat thing.  It wears 155s as standard.

That inch is critical.

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"Sleeker GT Phwoar"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> guy.king@zetnet.co.uk says...
>> The message 
>> from Sleeker GT Phwoar  contains these 
>> words:
>>
>> > >  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
>> > > tight?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Better too tight than too loose.
>>
>> For wheel nuts?
>>
>> I'd rather have 'em slightly loose - you get a few minutes clonking at
>> least before they come adrift. If they're all overtight and one goes you
>> can get a chain reaction as the load spreads to the other bolts. I had
>> this happen many years ago on the family's Morris 2200.
>>
>>
> Well there are extremes.
> Can you see peter knowing what to do about a loose wheel, other than
> chase it into the 3rd lane on foot?



Aw feck, I've just splashed Doctor Pepper all over Charlie's laptop, my 
suit, my tie, the wall and the desk.

Now I'm in trouble!

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DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


> Hey an inch is a lot in the boot of the Cinquecento. :)


This is Peter's car. Chance'd be a fine thing.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
>> Hey an inch is a lot in the boot of the Cinquecento. :)
>
> This is Peter's car. Chance'd be a fine thing.


Ewwww what an awful image!

Still, there's another reason to bash the Cinq and praise the Ka.  Our 
185/60/13 wheel comes along as a spare...

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DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


>>> Hey an inch is a lot in the boot of the Cinquecento. :)

>> This is Peter's car. Chance'd be a fine thing.

> Ewwww what an awful image!
> 
> Still, there's another reason to bash the Cinq 


Is that a euphemism, you sick puppy?


> and praise the Ka.


Oh, right. Like you need one.


> Our 185/60/13 wheel comes along as a spare...


"My spare's bigger than your spare"...?

>> As an aside - anyone in the Reading area seen the tyre place just off 
>> Rose Kiln Lane (coming towards it from Boulton Road) - forget the name of 
>> them, but they've got a sign outside that says something along the lines 
>> of "Tyres from 6.99 each".  What are they?  Bicycle tyres??
>
> Part worn?


Didn't look like the sort of place that deals in part-worns.  Could be 
remoulds, where a normal budget tyre of the same size is only 15 or so.

Peter

Tim Vincent wrote:

> In article ,
> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
> > > <<Compared to other prices on the net the price doesn't seem too bad.
> > > The cheapest etyres do for my car are £37.90 each, and they are
> > > unbranded :-o.  The cheapest branded one is the P700 which is £55.90,
> > > my P3000's were £45 each.>>
> > >
> > > What size are they again?
> >
> > 165 55 13, and is it H?
> >
> >
>
> sounds like its too late, but why on earth are you putting that size
> tyre on a non-sporting 'cento?  Can't be sure about the Sei, but with
> the Cinquecento only the Sportings came with 165/55x13s as standard, and
> the others had 155/65x13s which I would hope were cheaper than 165/55s
> which are unique to Cinqs and Seis (and when first released, you had a
> choice of Pirelli P7000s or nothing).
>
> My Sporting is running 175/50x13s which are cheaper and have a wider
> range of brands, but require 5.5" rims (I imagine yours are 5" steels?)
> and anyway sound like overkill if you can get 41000miles out of a set of
> fronts.  I got 12,000 per set out of the original P7000s, 15,000 out of
> my current P5000 Dragos...


Whoops, I'm always getting those two numbers mixed up.  You're right,
and I did get the correct ones.  My reciept says 155/65R13T, and they
are P3000 Engery's.  The are the same size at the ones that the car had
when it was born.

Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:

> In article ,
> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
> > 165 55 13, and is it H?
> >
>
> Accordign to e-tyres, depending which small Sei you have (Citymatic, S,
> or MIA) they were either 135/70Tr13 or 145/65Tr13. Priced below are the
> 135/70's
>
> Etyres MidPrice 135/70Tr13 £135.60inc VAT for 4 including fitting.
> If the tyres are the wrong size, your speedo wil be out. although the
> size you have listed seems about right if it should have the skinnier
> ones on as standard. But T not H rated. You might grip a little better
> now.


Ah, my tyres are £41.90 from etyres.  So I paid about an extra £10,
but had it done quicker.  I'm quite pleased with what they've done too.

Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:

> In article ,
> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
> >  Should I loosen the nuts, is it bad to leave them too
> > tight?
> >
> >
> Better too tight than too loose.
> The tyre place will do them properly for you, and they have a machine
> that can remove nuts you would find impossible.


I think they probably aren't bad actually.  My invoice says that they
recommen that I have the nuts checked after 50 miles FOC.  That's
pretty good service!  I suspect that they do it properly, or it would
be pretty pointless checking them.

The pressures weren't too bad either.  It's possible that they looked
it up, but their book was wrong, my workshop manual is out by 0.1 bar
on the rears IIRC.  I looked in my manual, and the pressure's 2.1 for
fronts, and 2.0 for the rears, so the rears were only out by 0.1 bar,
and 0.2 bar on the fronts.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
>>>> Hey an inch is a lot in the boot of the Cinquecento. :)
>
>>> This is Peter's car. Chance'd be a fine thing.
>
>> Ewwww what an awful image!
>>
>> Still, there's another reason to bash the Cinq
>
> Is that a euphemism, you sick puppy?


*blushes horribly*

No no that's not what I mean, Cinq as in Cinquecento!


>> and praise the Ka.
>
> Oh, right. Like you need one.


I do try to be fair about the Ka, though...


>> Our 185/60/13 wheel comes along as a spare...
>
> "My spare's bigger than your spare"...?


Hehehehe!

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> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me £180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> seem bad.


Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost 
£56 all in.

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In message , Colin 
Wilson  writes

>> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
>> seem bad.
>
>Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
>56 all in.


When it comes to buying tyres for the Citroen, it seems churlish to buy 
cheap ones. The Honda's tyres are at least 115 quid each, so the 
Citroen's seem very cheap. Compromising on the single bit of kit with 
the most influence on how the car drives for the sake of ten or fifteen 
quid a corner seems pointless.

-- 
Steve Walker

Colin Wilson wrote:

> > I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me £180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> > seem bad.
>
> Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
> £56 all in.


That's VERY cheap if that includes fitting!  That's only £28/tyre :o.
Those have got to be unbranded ones, my ones were decent tyres, not the
cheapest.  I've been driving on them for a week now, and they seem to
be good.  They seem to grip VERY well in the wet, a bit better in the
dry, and feel a bit softer than my old ones.  Fortunately the noise
isn't a problem.  Pirelli's are generally pretty noisey, but my car has
enough wind noise to drown it out completely.

Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:

>
> Well there are extremes.
> Can you see peter knowing what to do about a loose wheel, other than
> chase it into the 3rd lane on foot?


lol, there was that clip on one of those TV shows.  This person had
lost there wheel and had sparks flying out where the back of the car
was rubbing along the road.  The funny thing though is that they still
hadn't reallised that there wheel had come off.  The police car behind
put his lights and siren on, and they didn't notice that either.
Eventually they noticed the police car and pulled over, I believe the
driver was drunk.

Adrian wrote:

> T. (nntp-DOT-dump@zen.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
> > petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>>What's your daily mileage?  Ten miles?
>
> >> Nope, it's about 31 miles/day now.
>
> > Mummy *wow*, I'm a big kid now...

lol

> 8 miles there in the morning.
> 8 miles home for lunch.
> 8 miles back after lunch.
> 8 miles back at night.


No, just over 15 miles each way.

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Colin Wilson wrote:

> > I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> > seem bad.
>
> Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
> 56 all in.


That's VERY cheap if that includes fitting!  That's only 28/tyre :o.
Those have got to be unbranded ones, my ones were decent tyres, not the
cheapest.  I've been driving on them for a week now, and they seem to
be good.  They seem to grip VERY well in the wet, a bit better in the
dry, and feel a bit softer than my old ones.

***

Did you dad set the tyre pressures?

***

Fortunately the noise
isn't a problem.  Pirelli's are generally pretty noisey, but my car has
enough wind noise to drown it out completely.


***

Kermit's Falken 185/60/13s were 37 a corner, including everything. 
Fitting, balancing, new valves.

180 all around isn't too expensive, but that's a common size...

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Steve Walker  wrote on Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:35:52 +0100:

> In message , Colin 
> Wilson  writes
>>> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me ?180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
>>> seem bad.
>>
>>Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
>>?56 all in.
> 
> When it comes to buying tyres for the Citroen, it seems churlish to buy 
> cheap ones. The Honda's tyres are at least 115 quid each,


Holy crap. 460+ quid for a set of four tyres? I hope that includes
fitting, balancing, some free champagne whilst you wait...

-- 
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DervMan wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1119111390.593059.314020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> That's VERY cheap if that includes fitting!  That's only £28/tyre :o.
> Those have got to be unbranded ones, my ones were decent tyres, not the
> cheapest.  I've been driving on them for a week now, and they seem to
> be good.  They seem to grip VERY well in the wet, a bit better in the
> dry, and feel a bit softer than my old ones.
>
> ***
>
> Did you dad set the tyre pressures?


No?  I do my own pressures, every couple of weeks if possible (I'll do
it every week when the tyres are new though).

"Steve Walker"  wrote in message
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> In message , Colin
> Wilson  writes
> >> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> >> seem bad.
> >
> >Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
> >56 all in.
>
> When it comes to buying tyres for the Citroen, it seems churlish to buy
> cheap ones. The Honda's tyres are at least 115 quid each, so the
> Citroen's seem very cheap. Compromising on the single bit of kit with
> the most influence on how the car drives for the sake of ten or fifteen
> quid a corner seems pointless.
>


The tyres on my Xantia cost 5 each from the scrappy. One like brand new out
of the cradle where the spare sits, which I matched up with my own 'new'
spare, and two very healthy Dunlop's.

They've been on the car for 18 months now - all for 15.

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                                             Oscar Wilde

In message , krystnors 
 writes

>"Steve Walker"  wrote in message
>news:IkNtfcCY9DtCFwJ$@otolith.demon.co.uk...
>> In message , Colin
>> Wilson  writes
>> >> I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
>> >> seem bad.
>> >
>> >Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
>> >56 all in.
>>
>> When it comes to buying tyres for the Citroen, it seems churlish to buy
>> cheap ones. The Honda's tyres are at least 115 quid each, so the
>> Citroen's seem very cheap. Compromising on the single bit of kit with
>> the most influence on how the car drives for the sake of ten or fifteen
>> quid a corner seems pointless.
>>
>
>The tyres on my Xantia cost 5 each from the scrappy. One like brand new out
>of the cradle where the spare sits, which I matched up with my own 'new'
>spare, and two very healthy Dunlop's.
>
>They've been on the car for 18 months now - all for 15.


*Shrug*

Tyres for the Citroen cost peanuts, it just doesn't seem an area worth 
scrimping on. YMMV.

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Colin Wilson wrote:

> > I've got 4 Pirelli P3000's cost me 180 at Central Tyre, which doesn't
> > seem bad.
>
> Phuck me, I just bought two new 155 13`s (?) for my Hyundai and they cost
> 56 all in.


That's VERY cheap if that includes fitting!  That's only 28/tyre :o.
Those have got to be unbranded ones, my ones were decent tyres, not the
cheapest.
---------------------------

I got a pair of the cheapest Michelin budget brand on my car - 17 a corner,
fitted, balanced, new valves, etc. That's for 155 80 13s, from a main dealer
garage.