Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a symbol in the 
GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so few nowadays that I would 
love to know where I could go for a walk and be able to get a decent pint 
afterwards along with my obedient and very quiet dog.

Regards,

Stuart Hudson

hudson  wrote:

> Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a symbol
> in the GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so few nowadays
> that I would love to know where I could go for a walk and be able to
> get a decent pint afterwards along with my obedient and very quiet
> dog.


Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit under-18s under 
any circumstances ;-)

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

PeterE  wrote:
[...]

> Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit
> under-18s under any circumstances ;-)


Seconded! When I'm slumping in the pub after work and sampling a pint
of Old Sheepshagger or whatever, the last thing I want is for people
to treat the pub as a kindergarten.

I have been tempted to go up to the bar, wave the food menu and ask if
they serve child meals. If they answer in the affirmative, I shall ask
them to serve (*points*) that screaming brat, stuffed, with a side
salad and chips.

Jonathan Swift had the right sort of idea.

-- 
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In article , hudson
 wrote:

> Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a symbol in
> the GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so few nowadays that
> I would love to know where I could go for a walk and be able to get a
> decent pint afterwards along with my obedient and very quiet dog.


I can't recall discussions about dogs specifically but there are other
facilities that have been suggested in the past that were probably more
noteworthy and still failed to gain enough interest to over come objections
to "excessive numbers of symbols" 

To jump ahead to Peters comment a cross (X) through the childrens symbol
should suffice shouldn't it?
Or would you prefer the rocking horse beheaded ;-)

-- 
Steve Pampling

I agree wholeheartedly. I have wasted far too much time asking "Do you allow Dogs"  a damn good idea!
My hound is really great in pubs, you wouldn't even know she was there most of the time.
Come on CAMRA pull yer finger out.


"hudson"  wrote in message news:39rdsaF65f4efU1@individual.net...

> Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a symbol in the
> GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so few nowadays that I would
> love to know where I could go for a walk and be able to get a decent pint
> afterwards along with my obedient and very quiet dog.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stuart Hudson
>
>

In article , newbrewery
 wrote:

> I agree wholeheartedly. I have wasted far too much time asking "Do you
> allow Dogs"  a damn good idea! My hound is really great in pubs, you
> wouldn't even know she was there most of the time.

> Come on CAMRA pull yer finger out.


Perhaps if you contacted the kennel club and suggested they sponsor a few
pages in the guide...

....alternately they could do their own.

-- 
Steve Pampling

PeterE wrote:


> Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit under-18s under
> any circumstances ;-)


Top of my list would be anyone from Stockport ;-)

.....Followed by dogs, then beer bores wearing badges.

John B

Steven Pampling wrote:

> 
> In article , newbrewery
>  wrote:
> > I agree wholeheartedly. I have wasted far too much time asking "Do you
> > allow Dogs"  a damn good idea! My hound is really great in pubs, you
> > wouldn't even know she was there most of the time.
> 
> > Come on CAMRA pull yer finger out.
> 
> Perhaps if you contacted the kennel club and suggested they sponsor a few
> pages in the guide...
> 
> ...alternately they could do their own.


There is of course:
http://www.doggiepubs.org.uk/

Its an excellent resource listing a great many pubs to avoid.

John B

JohnB  wrote:

> PeterE wrote:
>
>> Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit
>> under-18s under any circumstances ;-)
>
> Top of my list would be anyone from Stockport ;-)
>
> ....Followed by dogs, then beer bores wearing badges.


There are some very nice people from Stockport...

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

PeterE wrote:

> 
> JohnB  wrote:
> > PeterE wrote:
> >
> >> Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit
> >> under-18s under any circumstances ;-)
> >
> > Top of my list would be anyone from Stockport ;-)
> >
> > ....Followed by dogs, then beer bores wearing badges.
> 
> There are some very nice people from Stockport...


That wasn't the response  expected ;-)

John B

"Peter Corlett"  wrote in message
news:4238877b$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...

> PeterE  wrote:
> [...]
> > Personally I would like a symbol for pubs that do not admit
> > under-18s under any circumstances ;-)
>
> Seconded! When I'm slumping in the pub after work and sampling a pint
> of Old Sheepshagger or whatever, the last thing I want is for people
> to treat the pub as a kindergarten.
>
> I have been tempted to go up to the bar, wave the food menu and ask if
> they serve child meals. If they answer in the affirmative, I shall ask
> them to serve (*points*) that screaming brat, stuffed, with a side
> salad and chips.
>
> Jonathan Swift had the right sort of idea.
>

Perhaps you should contact the BBC to see if they are going to do another
series of Grumpy Old Men.

To head off on a slight tangent, I've suggested a "" symbol for those pubs 
that have good beer but also charge way over the odds for it.

Cheers

Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk

Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk

There is an argument for having all sorts of symbols in the GBG. I
still think discretion on the landlord's part is best. And not all
dogs are obedient and quiet.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:57:06 -0000, "hudson"
 wrote:


>Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a symbol in the 
>GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so few nowadays that I would 
>love to know where I could go for a walk and be able to get a decent pint 
>afterwards along with my obedient and very quiet dog.
>
>Regards,
>
>Stuart Hudson 
>



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ESB wrote:

> There is an argument for having all sorts of symbols in the GBG. I
> still think discretion on the landlord's part is best. And not all
> dogs are obedient and quiet.


More dogs are than children :p

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:34:51 -0000, "PeterE"
 wrote:


>ESB wrote:
>> There is an argument for having all sorts of symbols in the GBG. I
>> still think discretion on the landlord's part is best. And not all
>> dogs are obedient and quiet.
>
>More dogs are than children :p


Yeah an you can still legally kick the dog when it misbehaves!
/me ducks and dons body-armour ;-)

In article ,
Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] <neil@no-dot-spam-dot-fresh-dash-toast-dot-net> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:34:51 -0000, "PeterE"
> wrote:
>
>>ESB wrote:
>>> There is an argument for having all sorts of symbols in the GBG. I
>>> still think discretion on the landlord's part is best. And not all
>>> dogs are obedient and quiet.
>>
>>More dogs are than children :p
>
>Yeah an you can still legally kick the dog when it misbehaves!
>/me ducks and dons body-armour ;-)


/me takes bait. :)

Well, no you can't. However, people seem to be more prepared to control
their dogs, when asked. Unlike with their bloody kids.

/me wanders off grumbling.

Alan.

Alan Chapman wrote:


> >Yeah an you can still legally kick the dog when it misbehaves!
> >/me ducks and dons body-armour ;-)
> 
> /me takes bait. :)
> 
> Well, no you can't. However, people seem to be more prepared to control
> their dogs, when asked. Unlike with their bloody kids.


And its even worse when it comes to obnoxious adults.

John B

JohnB  wrote:

> Alan Chapman wrote:
>
>>> Yeah an you can still legally kick the dog when it misbehaves!
>>> /me ducks and dons body-armour ;-)
>>
>> /me takes bait. :)
>>
>> Well, no you can't. However, people seem to be more prepared to
>> control their dogs, when asked. Unlike with their bloody kids.
>
> And its even worse when it comes to obnoxious adults.


It's funny, it must be the pubs I go in, I very rarely encounter obnoxious 
adults (in the sense of those indulging in obvious, rowdy misbehaviour)

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

PeterE wrote:

> 
> JohnB  wrote:
> > Alan Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>> Yeah an you can still legally kick the dog when it misbehaves!
> >>> /me ducks and dons body-armour ;-)
> >>
> >> /me takes bait. :)
> >>
> >> Well, no you can't. However, people seem to be more prepared to
> >> control their dogs, when asked. Unlike with their bloody kids.
> >
> > And its even worse when it comes to obnoxious adults.
> 
> It's funny, it must be the pubs I go in, I very rarely encounter obnoxious
> adults (in the sense of those indulging in obvious, rowdy misbehaviour)


You don't have to go in.
Wander through most towns near closing time on a Friday and Saturday
evening and and you'll see the obnoxious, roudy, drunken, loud, and
threatening adults being disgorged onto the streets in droves.
I suspect you don't *encounter* them because, like most reasonable
people [1], you avoid the pubs where such behaviour is common.
But I can't believe you don't know it exists.

[1] see I can be nice to you ;-)

John B

Richard Brooks wrote:

> To head off on a slight tangent, I've suggested a "" symbol for
> those pubs that have good beer but also charge way over the odds for
> it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk
>
> Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk


man after my own heart!

What is "the going rate" for beer in a pub now? 2.40 (Cornubia) or more?
(e.g 3.00 for Stella in posey joints)

JohnB  wrote:

> PeterE wrote:
>>
>> It's funny, it must be the pubs I go in, I very rarely encounter
>> obnoxious adults (in the sense of those indulging in obvious, rowdy
>> misbehaviour)
>
> You don't have to go in.
> Wander through most towns near closing time on a Friday and Saturday
> evening and and you'll see the obnoxious, roudy, drunken, loud, and
> threatening adults being disgorged onto the streets in droves.
> I suspect you don't *encounter* them because, like most reasonable
> people [1], you avoid the pubs where such behaviour is common.
> But I can't believe you don't know it exists.


Oh, of course I know it exists and have often witnessed it. But it's quite 
some time since I witnessed any kind of obnoxious drunken behaviour *in* a 
pub.

Having said that, a couple of weeks back I saw a lad pass out in a fairly 
genteel pub on Saturday lunchtime because presumably he'd been on a bender 
into the small hours. They had to call an ambulance - which is something 
I've never seen in a pub before!

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

In article <d1clre$d5a$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, PeterE
 wrote:

> Oh, of course I know it exists and have often witnessed it. But it's
> quite some time since I witnessed any kind of obnoxious drunken
> behaviour *in* a pub.


The last rude/obnoxious and unwanted behaviour I witnessed associated with
a pub was at the door of one I was trying to pass.
The rude obnoxious doormen stood in my way and told me I could go in the
pub. Which was an interesting statement given that it would require a
shotgun up my left nostril or something similar to persuade me to even
consider going through the door of that specific "hole".

If you consider that the offending items ("people" would be stretching
things a bit) were probably allowed in I don't doubt bad behaviour does
occur in there.

-- 
Steve Pampling

Steven Pampling  wrote:

>
> The last rude/obnoxious and unwanted behaviour I witnessed associated
> with a pub was at the door of one I was trying to pass.
> The rude obnoxious doormen stood in my way and told me I could go in
> the pub. Which was an interesting statement given that it would
> require a shotgun up my left nostril or something similar to persuade
> me to even consider going through the door of that specific "hole".
>
> If you consider that the offending items ("people" would be stretching
> things a bit) were probably allowed in I don't doubt bad behaviour
> does occur in there.


Yes, given that doormen are supposed to prevent trouble, it's interesting 
how the pubs that have them attract trouble, and the pubs that don't have 
them tend to be trouble-free.

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

In article , hudson
 wrote:

> Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a
> symbol in the GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so
> few nowadays that I would love to know where I could go for a walk
> and be able to get a decent pint afterwards along with my obedient
> and very quiet dog.

> Regards,

> Stuart Hudson 


We are just about to go to print with a new Cumbria real ale guide
(when I have completed the maps!)  and we have included dogs allowed?
in our surveys. 

Lots of walks here!!

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

Everything takes longer than you expect.

"Mike Jones"  wrote in message 
news:ntk_d.1044$HL6.24@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...

> Richard Brooks wrote:
>> To head off on a slight tangent, I've suggested a "" symbol for
>> those pubs that have good beer but also charge way over the odds for
>> it.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk
>>
>> Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk
>
> man after my own heart!
>
> What is "the going rate" for beer in a pub now? 2.40 (Cornubia) or more?
> (e.g 3.00 for Stella in posey joints)
>


Well, the likes of the Cornubia and Bag & Nails are probably still cheaper 
than, say, the Hope & Anchor or the Port of Call (amongst others).

When we discuss these matters we do always stress that it's not the cheap 
beer guide!

I can remember the days when you could get 2 pints for a fiver and sometimes 
still get some change as well...

:-)

Cheers

Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk

Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk

In message <423a327b$0$5602$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Richard 
Brooks  writes

>I can remember the days when you could get 2 pints for a fiver and 
>sometimes still get some change as well...


With beer at 2 - 2.20/pint in our local beer guide pubs its not hard!

I can remember the days when a 3.5 pint round left change from a fiver. 
If I didn't intend drinking cider at Leicester beer festival I could pay 
that *tonight* in Leicester...

-- 
Paul Shirley: email unwelcome, reply by news

JohnB wrote:

> Top of my list would be anyone from Stockport ;-)

arf.

> ....Followed by dogs, then beer bores wearing badges.


Animals, like smoking, have no place in any establishment where food
and drink are served.

As for "screaming brats", some children have been brought up to know
how to behave in social situations - which is more than can be said for
some adults. Honestly, I have far more trouble with ill-mannered adults
in pubs than children.

d.

PeterE wrote:

> More dogs are than children :p


More dogs are than adults.

d.

At the Horse&Plough , Bingham (GBG entry)
Bombardier and Deuchars IPA were 1.98     (the IPA has gone up from
1.84 not long ago) ......Archer's Gold 2 , Bateman's Salem Porter
2.10 a pint. All with "try before you buy" Can't remember the rest of
the prices.

"valeofbelvoirdrinker"  wrote in message 
news:oiam3111v4a7rk52l03q8422mbhvp9c2bf@4ax.com...

> At the Horse&Plough , Bingham (GBG entry)
> Bombardier and Deuchars IPA were 1.98     (the IPA has gone up from
> 1.84 not long ago) ......Archer's Gold 2 , Bateman's Salem Porter
> 2.10 a pint. All with "try before you buy" Can't remember the rest of
> the prices.


The best bargain I had last night in central Bristol was Fullers London 
Porter for 2.40.

Mind you, it was in a Fullers pub (the Old Fish Market) and they were also 
charging a fairly steep 2.50 for Butcombe Gold.

Cheers

Blackfire band website : www.blackfire.co.uk

Bristol & District Campaign for Real Ale : www.camrabristol.org.uk

In article <NPqOV$KKIuOCFwik@chocolat.ntlworld.com>,
   Paul Shirley <paul.shirley@totally.invalid> wrote:

> In message <423a327b$0$5602$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Richard 
> Brooks  writes
> >I can remember the days when you could get 2 pints for a fiver and 
> >sometimes still get some change as well...

> With beer at 2 - 2.20/pint in our local beer guide pubs its not hard!

> I can remember the days when a 3.5 pint round left change from a fiver. 


Hmmm. I can recall the complaints in the White Swan when the Pardoes bitter
had just been raised 2p in one go taking it up to 50p (given that other
beers in the area were about 70p that was not that bad but "2p in one go!!"
seemed to rattle a few cages)

-- 
Steve Pampling

"Chris de Cordova"  wrote in message 
news:4d4d462e62decordova@ukgateway.net...

> In article , hudson
>  wrote:
>> Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a
>> symbol in the GBG for pubs that allow dogs?
>
> We are just about to go to print with a new Cumbria real ale guide
> (when I have completed the maps!)  and we have included dogs allowed?
> in our surveys.
>
> Lots of walks here!!
>
> -- 
> Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
> Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 
> (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)
>
> Everything takes longer than you expect.


That is great. I will get a copy when you have completed it.

Thanks

Stuart Hudson

In article , Chris de Cordova
 wrote:

> In article , hudson
>  wrote:
> > Does anyone know if it has ever been discussed about having a
> > symbol in the GBG for pubs that allow dogs? There seem to be so
> > few nowadays that I would love to know where I could go for a
> > walk and be able to get a decent pint afterwards along with my
> > obedient and very quiet dog.

> > Regards,

> > Stuart Hudson 

> We are just about to go to print with a new Cumbria real ale guide
> (when I have completed the maps!)  and we have included dogs
> allowed? in our surveys. 

> Lots of walks here!!


Have a look at the new page I have just put up on our website - 

as below then there's a link off the West Cumbria & Western lakes
branch page.

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain.