I am planning a London pub crawl for my visit to Britain this summer.  I
am looking to carry it out on a Monday since some of the pubs mentioned
here are closed weekends.  Here is the list of pubs I want to include on
my crawl (all are in the GBG):

Dirty Dicks (my starting point)

Jerusalem Tavern

Old Mitre

Cittie of York

Princess Louise (I love OBB)

Wenlock Arms (my finishing point)

I tried to stay within a mile or so from start to finish.  

My question is could someone suggest a visiting order (I thought I would
probably spend more time at the Wenlock than Dirty Dicks (I'm not a huge
Youngs fan and am going there more for the history of the place than the
beer) so I would rather start at DD and end up at WA.

Also if there are any other historic pubs with decent real ale in the
area (pages 38 & 39 of the "Mini London A-Z") I would be interested in
adding it to the itinerary.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Bruce
CAMRA member from New Jersey

"Bruce"  wrote in message 
news:42A4BE98.45207747@worldnet.att.net...


> Wenlock Arms (my finishing point)



Maybe it's just me, but I find the Wenlock a bit threatening and unpleasant, 
particularly late at night.

As you're in the North-Central London area, it's not too far out of your way 
to get to the Head of Steam, which I consider the best pub in that area.

BTN

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:27:35 +0100, "Sir Benjamin Nunn"
 wrote:


>
>"Bruce"  wrote in message 
>news:42A4BE98.45207747@worldnet.att.net...
>
>> Wenlock Arms (my finishing point)
>
>
>Maybe it's just me, but I find the Wenlock a bit threatening and unpleasant, 
>particularly late at night.


It's just you, I suspect. It gets a proper mix of the local community
in there, and I've never encountered anything but friendliness (and
some fine jazz, on one occasion). I'd happily leave out the other pubs
Bruce listed and stay in this one for the whole time I was in London.


>
>As you're in the North-Central London area, it's not too far out of your way 
>to get to the Head of Steam, which I consider the best pub in that area.


The Head of Steam is at Euston, which is a fair way from the Wenlock.
A good pub though, as you say.


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Regards

Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:21:27 GMT, Bruce 
wrote:


>I am planning a London pub crawl for my visit to Britain this summer.  I
>am looking to carry it out on a Monday since some of the pubs mentioned
>here are closed weekends.  Here is the list of pubs I want to include on
>my crawl (all are in the GBG):
>
>Dirty Dicks (my starting point)
>
>Jerusalem Tavern
>
>Old Mitre
>
>Cittie of York
>
>Princess Louise (I love OBB)


Ah, memories. This place used to sell Wards Bitter from Sheffield. A
gem of pub architecure (an old gin palace?), with very ornate  urinals
in the Gents..


>
>Wenlock Arms (my finishing point)
>
>I tried to stay within a mile or so from start to finish.  
>
>My question is could someone suggest a visiting order (I thought I would
>probably spend more time at the Wenlock than Dirty Dicks (I'm not a huge
>Youngs fan and am going there more for the history of the place than the
>beer) so I would rather start at DD and end up at WA.
>
>Also if there are any other historic pubs with decent real ale in the
>area (pages 38 & 39 of the "Mini London A-Z") I would be interested in
>adding it to the itinerary.


You're obviously using a different Mini A-Z to the one I have here
(2004 edition). That area is pages 62-63 on mine.

I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington)
tube station. Superb Fullers London Pride (the best I've had anywhere
over the last 3 or 4 years), and one of only two London pubs (I
believe) still to have a (Victorian original) theatre upstairs.


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Regards

Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:02:13 +0100, Mike Roebuck wrote:


> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:21:27 GMT, Bruce 
> wrote:
> 
>>I am planning a London pub crawl for my visit to Britain this summer.  I
>>am looking to carry it out on a Monday since some of the pubs mentioned
>>here are closed weekends.  Here is the list of pubs I want to include on
>>my crawl (all are in the GBG):
>>
>>Dirty Dicks (my starting point)
>>
>>Jerusalem Tavern
>>
>>Old Mitre
>>
>>Cittie of York
>>
>>Princess Louise (I love OBB)
> 
> Ah, memories. This place used to sell Wards Bitter from Sheffield. A gem
> of pub architecure (an old gin palace?), with very ornate  urinals in the
> Gents..
> 
> 
>>Wenlock Arms (my finishing point)
>>
>>I tried to stay within a mile or so from start to finish.
>>
>>My question is could someone suggest a visiting order (I thought I would
>>probably spend more time at the Wenlock than Dirty Dicks (I'm not a huge
>>Youngs fan and am going there more for the history of the place than the
>>beer) so I would rather start at DD and end up at WA.
>>
>>Also if there are any other historic pubs with decent real ale in the
>>area (pages 38 & 39 of the "Mini London A-Z") I would be interested in
>>adding it to the itinerary.
> 
> You're obviously using a different Mini A-Z to the one I have here (2004
> edition). That area is pages 62-63 on mine.
> 
> I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington) tube
> station. Superb Fullers London Pride (the best I've had anywhere over the
> last 3 or 4 years), and one of only two London pubs (I believe) still to
> have a (Victorian original) theatre upstairs.


The scratching sound you here is of me jotting all this down, I was
following another thread about Olde London pubs and The Old Red Lion
and Dirty Dicks are 2 I don't remember seeing. My drinking friend 
and I will be there for 6 whole days for an extended pub crawl and
we're scratching the days off till the 14th!

Just wondering if it's too late to get a tour of Fuller's brewery,
I've booked Young's but Fuller's site says they need a minimum of
4 to start a tour. Not on unless we can clone ourselves! :-)

Wayne
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Would love to read the final itinerary when you have fixed it; I have
happy memories of the Watford CAMRA Pre-Christmas pub-crawls, which
take place just after the New Year (it _is_ pre-Christmas, after all).

Regards, Colin Mills

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:53:05 +0100, Mike Roebuck
 wrote:


>On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:27:35 +0100, "Sir Benjamin Nunn"
> wrote:


>>As you're in the North-Central London area, it's not too far out of your way 
>>to get to the Head of Steam, which I consider the best pub in that area.
>
>The Head of Steam is at Euston, which is a fair way from the Wenlock.
>A good pub though, as you say.


There are plenty of buses heading in the right direction, though.
-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

In article , Arthur Figgis
 wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:53:05 +0100, Mike Roebuck
>  wrote:

> >On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:27:35 +0100, "Sir Benjamin Nunn"
> > wrote:


> >>As you're in the North-Central London area, it's not too far out of
> >>your way to get to the Head of Steam, which I consider the best pub
> >>in that area.
> >
> >The Head of Steam is at Euston, which is a fair way from the Wenlock. A
> >good pub though, as you say.


Actually Ben didn't say that, it was quoted material.
He said he found it 

"a bit threatening and unpleasant, particularly late at night."

which I can understand. I know others who dislike the place and find the
slightly er, "rough" ambience a bit much.


> There are plenty of buses heading in the right direction, though.


Away from the Wenlock ? :-)

-- 
Steve Pampling

Wayne wrote:


> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:02:13 +0100, Mike Roebuck wrote:
> 
>>[...]
>>I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington) tube
>>station. Superb Fullers London Pride [...]
> 
> The scratching sound you here is of me jotting all this down, I was
> following another thread about Olde London pubs and The Old Red Lion
> and Dirty Dicks are 2 I don't remember seeing. My drinking friend 
> and I will be there for 6 whole days for an extended pub crawl and
> we're scratching the days off till the 14th!


Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the
White Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times,
but there's a good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good
bottled beer list (if you like Belgian beers) and very good food.
-- 
dgs
"What, and join in your mad squid kettle games?" -- Lew Bryson

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:44:11 -0700, dgs wrote:


>>>I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington) tube
>>>station. Superb Fullers London Pride [...]
>> 
>> The scratching sound you here is of me jotting all this down, I was
>> following another thread about Olde London pubs and The Old Red Lion and
>> Dirty Dicks are 2 I don't remember seeing. My drinking friend and I will
>> be there for 6 whole days for an extended pub crawl and we're scratching
>> the days off till the 14th!
> 
> Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the White
> Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times, but there's a
> good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good bottled beer list (if
> you like Belgian beers) and very good food.


Not really into Belgian beer but the pub is on our list, although I'm not
sure we'll make it out that far. We'll be staying in Islington so the
Wenlock and a couple of others at the Angel are on our shortlist. Funny,
I was born and grew up around there but have never found it :-) I'll be
armed with a map this time though :-) Was also thinking of going to the
Oakdale arms in Haringey but it's not the sort of place I'd like to be
at night :-) Must make sure to pack an A-Z too!

Although my friend is not into galleries and museums, a visit to Buck
House to see the changing of the guard is in order. Anything good near
there? (Victoria area?)

Wayne
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In article ,
Wayne   wrote:

>Was also thinking of going to the
>Oakdale arms in Haringey but it's not the sort of place I'd like to be
>at night :-) Must make sure to pack an A-Z too!


It's pretty easy to get to from Manor House tube station: just head
along Green Lanes in the direction of Wood Green, and turn right into
Hermitage Road when you reach it.  Walk down Hermitage Road; the pub
is on the left a short way after the barriers that stop traffic going
all the way along the road.  Takes 15 minutes.

Steve Early

dgs wrote:

> Wayne wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:02:13 +0100, Mike Roebuck wrote:
> >
> >>[...]
> >>I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington) tube
> >>station. Superb Fullers London Pride [...]
> >
> > The scratching sound you here is of me jotting all this down, I was
> > following another thread about Olde London pubs and The Old Red Lion
> > and Dirty Dicks are 2 I don't remember seeing. My drinking friend
> > and I will be there for 6 whole days for an extended pub crawl and
> > we're scratching the days off till the 14th!
>
> Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the
> White Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times,
> but there's a good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good
> bottled beer list (if you like Belgian beers) and very good food.


The White Horse is an overrated, overpriced dump, with bar staff who
don't have a clue about real ale. I advise you not to waste your time
making the trip there, Wayne.

-- 
Regards

Mike

Wayne wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:44:11 -0700, dgs wrote:
>
> >>>I would also recommend The Old Red Lion, close to Angel (Islington) tube
> >>>station. Superb Fullers London Pride [...]
> >>
> >> The scratching sound you here is of me jotting all this down, I was
> >> following another thread about Olde London pubs and The Old Red Lion and
> >> Dirty Dicks are 2 I don't remember seeing. My drinking friend and I will
> >> be there for 6 whole days for an extended pub crawl and we're scratching
> >> the days off till the 14th!
> >
> > Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the White
> > Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times, but there's a
> > good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good bottled beer list (if
> > you like Belgian beers) and very good food.
>
> Not really into Belgian beer but the pub is on our list, although I'm not
> sure we'll make it out that far. We'll be staying in Islington so the
> Wenlock and a couple of others at the Angel are on our shortlist. Funny,
> I was born and grew up around there but have never found it :-) I'll be
> armed with a map this time though :-) Was also thinking of going to the
> Oakdale arms in Haringey but it's not the sort of place I'd like to be
> at night :-) Must make sure to pack an A-Z too!


The Seckforde Arms is an excellent Youngs pub, sort of half way between
the Angel and Farringdon tubes stations. If you like Youngs beers,
don't miss it.


>
> Although my friend is not into galleries and museums, a visit to Buck
> House to see the changing of the guard is in order. Anything good near
> there? (Victoria area?)


Can't think of anywhere offhand.

-- 
Cheers

Mike

On 8 Jun 2005 09:18:53 -0700, mike.roebuck@gmx.net wrote:



>... an overrated, overpriced dump, with bar staff who
>don't have a clue about real ale.


Making it an authentic London experience, surely? :-)

-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

"Bruce"  wrote in message
news:42A4BE98.45207747@worldnet.att.net...

> I am planning a London pub crawl for my visit to Britain this summer.  I
> am looking to carry it out on a Monday since some of the pubs mentioned
> here are closed weekends.  Here is the list of pubs I want to include on
> my crawl (all are in the GBG):
>

<snip>

>
> My question is could someone suggest a visiting order (I thought I would
> probably spend more time at the Wenlock than Dirty Dicks (I'm not a huge
> Youngs fan and am going there more for the history of the place than the
> beer) so I would rather start at DD and end up at WA.
>
> Also if there are any other historic pubs with decent real ale in the
> area (pages 38 & 39 of the "Mini London A-Z") I would be interested in
> adding it to the itinerary.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce
> CAMRA member from New Jersey



Hi Bruce,

Two pubs that you might also be interested in are the Cheshire Cheese in
Fleet Street and the Black Friar in, er, Blackfriars.

This would make your crawl up to eight pubs...the question now is how
much Real Ale can one drink in a day ... <VBG>.

With these included I would suggest that the order should now be:

Outbound:

1)    Dirty Dicks
2)    Black Friar
3)    Cheshire Cheese
4)    Princess Louise

Return:

5)    Cittie of Yorke
6)    Old Mitre  ( a bit of a b*gg*r to find if you haven't been here
before! )
7)    Jerusalem Tavern
8)    Wenlock Arms

This is based on what seems to me to be a logical geographical route.

I suggest that you get yourselves TravelCards and use public transport...

<http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/ >


Please note that I have no connection with, or commercial interest in
Pubs.Com or Streetmap, I just find them very useful sites !

<http://www.pubs.com/index.html>
<www.streetmap.co.uk>


For general interest of all, info on all of these Pubs below.
You may need to recinstruct the URL's if the lines break...


DIRTY DICK'S
202 Bishopsgate,
City of London
London
EC2M 4NR
020 7283 5888

<http://www.youngs.co.uk/pubprofile.aspx?location
ID=&AtmosphereID=&FoodID=&OccasionID=&pubid=96>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=533359&Y=181631&A=Y&Z=1>


BLACK FRIAR
174 Queen Victoria Street
London
EC4V 4EG
020 7236 5474

<http://www.pubs.com/blacec4.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=531684&Y=180948&A=Y&Z=1>


YE OLDE
CHESHIRE CHEESE
Wine Office Ct.,
145 Fleet St.
London
EC4A 2BU
020 7353 6170

<http://www.pubs.com/chesec4.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=531426&Y=181193&A=Y&Z=1>


PRINCESS LOUISE
208 High Holborn
London
WC1V 7BW
020 7405 8816

<http://www.pubs.com/louiwc2.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=530424&Y=181489&A=Y&Z=1>


CITTIE of YORKE
22 High Holborn
London
WC1V 6BN
020 7242 7670

<http://www.pubs.com/citywc1.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=531035&Y=181648&A=Y&Z=1>


OLDE MITRE TAVERN
Ely Court
Hatton Garden
London
EC1N 6SJ
020 7405 4751

<http://www.pubs.com/mitrec1.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=531402&Y=181631&A=Y&Z=1>


JERUSALEM TAVERN
55 Britton Street
Clerkenwell
London
EC1M 5UQ
020 7490 4281

<http://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/london/default.htm>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=531654&Y=182011&A=Y&Z=1>



WENLOCK ARMS
26 Wenlock Road
London
N1 7TA
020 7608 3406

<http://www.wenlock-arms.co.uk/>

Map at:

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll
?G2M?X=532306&Y=183110&A=Y&Z=1>

>>
>> Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the
>> White Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times,
>> but there's a good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good
>> bottled beer list (if you like Belgian beers) and very good food.
>
> The White Horse is an overrated, overpriced dump, with bar staff who
> don't have a clue about real ale. I advise you not to waste your time
> making the trip there, Wayne.


I wouldn't go THAT far but the last couple of times I was there, it didn't 
seem to rate the accolades it was given by some.
On the other hand the Wenlock has ALWAYS impressed me.

-- 

Brett

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:21:10 -0700, mike.roebuck wrote:


> The Seckforde Arms is an excellent Youngs pub, sort of half way between
> the Angel and Farringdon tubes stations. If you like Youngs beers, don't
> miss it.


Noted, thanks. I'm not sure if we want to do too many Young's pubs
as we're going to the brewery but if it has history we'll pop in.

Wayne
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:18:53 -0700, mike.roebuck wrote:


>> Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the White
>> Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times, but there's
>> a good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good bottled beer list
>> (if you like Belgian beers) and very good food.
> 
> The White Horse is an overrated, overpriced dump, with bar staff who don't
> have a clue about real ale. I advise you not to waste your time making the
> trip there, Wayne.


Umm, I take it you don't like it :-) As our budget is limited due to
the artificially high exchange rate of the pound to the yen we want
to get our money's worth :-) I'm scratching it off our list due to
prices!

Wayne
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:38:41 +0100, Stephen Early wrote:


>>Was also thinking of going to the
>>Oakdale arms in Haringey but it's not the sort of place I'd like to be at
>>night :-) Must make sure to pack an A-Z too!
> 
> It's pretty easy to get to from Manor House tube station: just head along
> Green Lanes in the direction of Wood Green, and turn right into Hermitage
> Road when you reach it.  Walk down Hermitage Road; the pub is on the left
> a short way after the barriers that stop traffic going all the way along
> the road.  Takes 15 minutes.


I used to live in the area way back when so it shouldn't be too
long till I get my bearings. Brings back memories, there used to
be a pub going down from Turnpike Lane, on Green Lanes? That had
ale, must be mid 80's! Also brings back memories of weekend trips
to Shotley Small Arms Club near Ipswich and beers afterwards in 
the village? pub.

Wayne
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Wayne wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:21:10 -0700, mike.roebuck wrote:
>
> > The Seckforde Arms is an excellent Youngs pub, sort of half way between
> > the Angel and Farringdon tubes stations. If you like Youngs beers, don't
> > miss it.
>
> Noted, thanks. I'm not sure if we want to do too many Young's pubs
> as we're going to the brewery but if it has history we'll pop in.


I suspect it does. It has rooms, too :-)


-- 
Regards

Mike

Wayne a crit :


>Umm, I take it you don't like it :-) As our budget is limited due to
>the artificially high exchange rate of the pound to the yen we want
>to get our money's worth :-) I'm scratching it off our list due to
>prices!
>

Well, one reason to get there would be its status as more or less only 
permanent outlet for Roosters / Outlaw cask ales. But as a local, it is 
a touch too posh to my taste.


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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:23:12 +0200, The Submarine Captain
 wrote:


>Wayne a crit :
>
>>Umm, I take it you don't like it :-) As our budget is limited due to
>>the artificially high exchange rate of the pound to the yen we want
>>to get our money's worth :-) I'm scratching it off our list due to
>>prices!
>>
>Well, one reason to get there would be its status as more or less only 
>permanent outlet for Roosters / Outlaw cask ales. But as a local, it is 
>a touch too posh to my taste.


At the risk of starting another debate about dispense methods and the
north/south divide [1], I must point out that one of the reasons I
dislike the place so much is that I found the quality of the Rooster
beers in there very poor (bad enough for me to leave them on the bar,
mostly undrunk. Lack of a sparkler was one, but, I suspect, not the
only reason.

[1] Please don't; this topic has been done to death already, and I
don't think we'll ever get total consensus.



-- 
 
Regards

Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

In article , Wayne 
 writes

>On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:18:53 -0700, mike.roebuck wrote:
>
>>> Six days?  I hope you've made room for a lengthy session at the White
>>> Horse in Parsons Green.  It's a bit Sloanie/yuppie at times, but there's
>>> a good selection of cask ales on, as well as a good bottled beer list
>>> (if you like Belgian beers) and very good food.
>>
>> The White Horse is an overrated, overpriced dump, with bar staff who don't
>> have a clue about real ale. I advise you not to waste your time making the
>> trip there, Wayne.
>
>Umm, I take it you don't like it :-) As our budget is limited due to
>the artificially high exchange rate of the pound to the yen we want
>to get our money's worth :-) I'm scratching it off our list due to
>prices!


Then you will be missing an interesting pub where the draft beer prices 
are not much different to a lot of pubs, there are some cheaper of 
course. I can not comment on the price of imported keg beer since few 
pubs compete with them (a simplistic comparison would be that the price 
per ml of alcohol is about the same as for draft beer, but I chose beer 
for flavour rather than drunkenness). The imported bottled beers are 
expensive compared to an off-licence, but then you are paying for more 
than a bottle of beer. Their food is interesting but expensive; more an 
experience than refuelling. They also have a good range of single malt 
Scotch and wines. It is very much a favourite of ours.

Oh, and it is not a dump!

-- 
Ian             G8ILZ

In article ,
Wayne   wrote:

>I used to live in the area way back when so it shouldn't be too
>long till I get my bearings. Brings back memories, there used to
>be a pub going down from Turnpike Lane, on Green Lanes? That had
>ale, must be mid 80's!


Would that be the Salisbury Hotel?

Oakdale Arms: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/3280/
    and    http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/oakdale/
Salisbury Hotel:
     http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/2166/Salisbury/Harringay

Steve

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:26:48 +0100, Stephen Early wrote:


>>I used to live in the area way back when so it shouldn't be too long till
>>I get my bearings. Brings back memories, there used to be a pub going
>>down from Turnpike Lane, on Green Lanes? That had ale, must be mid 80's!
> 
> Would that be the Salisbury Hotel?
> 
> Oakdale Arms: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/3280/
>     and    http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/oakdale/
> Salisbury Hotel:
>      http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/2166/Salisbury/Harringay


Brain cell started working again this morning! No, it was the
Old Suffolk Punch on Green Lanes, I remember having Owd Roger
there back in the mid 80's. I think that was when I stopped
drinking lager (not really stopped, I don't have much choice
here!) and went out in search of ale. Also remember the Sun
and the Moon near Kings Cross? Well, a short walk anyway. I
also remember drinking at the Yorkshire Grey! Last time I
was in there (5 years ago?) they said they couldn't find a
brewer :-(

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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:30:09 +0100, Prometheus wrote:


> Then you will be missing an interesting pub where the draft beer prices
> are not much different to a lot of pubs, there are some cheaper of course.
> I can not comment on the price of imported keg beer since few pubs compete
> with them (a simplistic comparison would be that the price per ml of
> alcohol is about the same as for draft beer, but I chose beer for flavour
> rather than drunkenness). The imported bottled beers are expensive
> compared to an off-licence, but then you are paying for more than a bottle
> of beer. Their food is interesting but expensive; more an experience than
> refuelling. They also have a good range of single malt Scotch and wines.
> It is very much a favourite of ours.
> 
> Oh, and it is not a dump!


Parsons Green is off the beaten track for us, we only have 6 days and
there are so many pubs to visit. I'd hate to waste time trekking up
there just to visit one pub, if I could make a crawl out of it then
maybe I'd go.

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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:23:12 +0200, The Submarine Captain wrote:


> Well, one reason to get there would be its status as more or less only
> permanent outlet for Roosters / Outlaw cask ales. But as a local, it is a
> touch too posh to my taste.


I'm not into posh, trendy or yuppie either and neither is my
friend, when he saw it described it as 'yuppified' his face
screwed up :-)

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In article , Wayne 
 writes

>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:23:12 +0200, The Submarine Captain wrote:
>
>> Well, one reason to get there would be its status as more or less only
>> permanent outlet for Roosters / Outlaw cask ales. But as a local, it is a
>> touch too posh to my taste.
>
>I'm not into posh, trendy or yuppie either and neither is my
>friend, when he saw it described it as 'yuppified' his face
>screwed up :-)


Try it, 'yuppified' is a poor and inaccurate description; it is true 
that the customers are younger, wealthier, better behaved & educated 
than to be found in some boozers, but I do not want to drink in the 
company of loud mouthed louts. Other than that it could not be described 
as posh or trendy, unless being popular with younger people whilst being 
a traditional pub is posh or trendy.


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In article , Wayne 
 writes

>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:30:09 +0100, Prometheus wrote:
>
>> Then you will be missing an interesting pub where the draft beer prices
>> are not much different to a lot of pubs, there are some cheaper of course.
>> I can not comment on the price of imported keg beer since few pubs compete
>> with them (a simplistic comparison would be that the price per ml of
>> alcohol is about the same as for draft beer, but I chose beer for flavour
>> rather than drunkenness). The imported bottled beers are expensive
>> compared to an off-licence, but then you are paying for more than a bottle
>> of beer. Their food is interesting but expensive; more an experience than
>> refuelling. They also have a good range of single malt Scotch and wines.
>> It is very much a favourite of ours.
>>
>> Oh, and it is not a dump!
>
>Parsons Green is off the beaten track for us, we only have 6 days and
>there are so many pubs to visit. I'd hate to waste time trekking up
>there just to visit one pub, if I could make a crawl out of it then
>maybe I'd go.


The District Line service is good, you will probably need a half to one 
hour total to get there and back from wherever you will be drinking 
around the City of London.

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:39:56 +0100, Prometheus wrote:


>>Parsons Green is off the beaten track for us, we only have 6 days and
>>there are so many pubs to visit. I'd hate to waste time trekking up there
>>just to visit one pub, if I could make a crawl out of it then maybe I'd
>>go.
> 
> The District Line service is good, you will probably need a half to one
> hour total to get there and back from wherever you will be drinking around
> the City of London.


Well, that's another strike against it I'm afraid, we want to keep the
use of public transport to a minimum. I don't want to take out a loan
to ride on the tube! Last time I was there I nearly had a heart attack
when I paid 2 quid for the few stops from Paddington to Euston Square.
(For comparison I pay about 90p for the 23 minute journey into town on
a reliable, comfortable, air-conditioned train)

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In article , Wayne 
 writes

>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:39:56 +0100, Prometheus wrote:
>
>>>Parsons Green is off the beaten track for us, we only have 6 days and
>>>there are so many pubs to visit. I'd hate to waste time trekking up there
>>>just to visit one pub, if I could make a crawl out of it then maybe I'd
>>>go.
>>
>> The District Line service is good, you will probably need a half to one
>> hour total to get there and back from wherever you will be drinking around
>> the City of London.
>
>Well, that's another strike against it I'm afraid, we want to keep the
>use of public transport to a minimum. I don't want to take out a loan
>to ride on the tube! Last time I was there I nearly had a heart attack
>when I paid 2 quid for the few stops from Paddington to Euston Square.
>(For comparison I pay about 90p for the 23 minute journey into town on
>a reliable, comfortable, air-conditioned train)


I know our public transport is expensive, you could buy an all day 
ticket for about 5 GBP (I use a monthly so do not know exactly how much) 
which will give you unlimited use of buses and trains in London (there 
are a couple of special airport services which are excluded); still 
expensive but a lot cheaper than paying per journey.

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In article ,
   Wayne  wrote:

> Well, that's another strike against it I'm afraid, we want to keep the
> use of public transport to a minimum. I don't want to take out a loan
> to ride on the tube! Last time I was there I nearly had a heart attack
> when I paid 2 quid for the few stops from Paddington to Euston Square.
> (For comparison I pay about 90p for the 23 minute journey into town on
> a reliable, comfortable, air-conditioned train)


Not keen on the idea of a day (or week) travel card and just hopping on and
off the system including buses all for the same price.

Admittedly the West Midlands scheme covers a wider area for a lesser price
but even so the London scheme is pretty cheap compared with various
alternatives.

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:30:09 +0100, Prometheus 
wrote:



>
>Oh, and it is not a dump!



YMMV - I'm sticking to mine.


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In article ,
Wayne   wrote:

>Brain cell started working again this morning! No, it was the
>Old Suffolk Punch on Green Lanes, I remember having Owd Roger
>there back in the mid 80's.


Ah.  Now closed, unfortunately.

Steve

Wayne wrote:


> Mike Roebuck wrote:

>>The Seckforde Arms is an excellent Youngs pub, sort of half way between
>>the Angel and Farringdon tubes stations. If you like Youngs beers, don't
>>miss it.

> Noted, thanks. I'm not sure if we want to do too many Young's pubs
> as we're going to the brewery but if it has history we'll pop in.


Unless it's improved markedly since February 2001, I'd give the Brewery 
Tap a miss, once the tour is over. The Ordinary and Winter Warmer were 
seriously oxidized when a friend and I drank there. It wasn't the ales 
because we had superior pints of Ordinary at the Pheonix in Canterbury 
later in the tour (and again in 2003). I understand the Spread Eagle 
across the street keeps (or at least kept) a fair pint.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:32:36 -0400, Jamie McDonell wrote:


> Unless it's improved markedly since February 2001, I'd give the Brewery
> Tap a miss, once the tour is over. The Ordinary and Winter Warmer were
> seriously oxidized when a friend and I drank there. It wasn't the ales
> because we had superior pints of Ordinary at the Pheonix in Canterbury
> later in the tour (and again in 2003). I understand the Spread Eagle
> across the street keeps (or at least kept) a fair pint.


Thanks to everyone for their comments. We're off first thing in the
morning and should arrive in London about 7pm Tuesday your time, just
in time for a pint :-)

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