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IT'S NOBBUT ME
John Richardson (1817-1886), St Johns in the Vale
Ya winter neet, I mind it weel,
Oor lads 'ed been at t'fell,
An', bein'tir't, went seun to bed,
An' I sat by mesel.
I hard a jike on t' window pane,
An' deftly went to see;
Bit when I ax't, "Who's jiken theer?
Says t'chap, "It's nobbut me."
"Who's me?" says I, "What want ya here?
Oor fwok ur aw I'bed"---
"I dunnet want your fwok at aw,
It's thee I want," he sed.
"What cant'e want wi me," says I;
An' who, the deuce, can 't be?
Just tell me who it is an' than..."
Says he, "It's nobbut me."
"I want a sweetheart, an'I thowt
Thoo mebby wad an' aw;
I'd been a bit down t'dyall to-neet,
An' thowt 'at I wad caw;
What, cant'e like me, dus t'e think?
I think I wad like thee"---
"I dunnet know who 't is," says I,
Says he, "It's nobbut me."
We pestit on a canny while,
I thowt his voice I kent;
An' than I steall quite whisht away,
An' oot at t'dooer I went.
I creapp, an' gat 'im be t'cwoat laps,
'Twas dark, he cuddent see;
He startit roond, an' said, Who's that?"
Says I, "It's nobbut me."
An' menny a time he com agean,
An' menny a time I went,
An' sed "Who's that 'at's jiken theer?"
When gaily weel I kent;
An' mainly what t'seamm answer com,
Fra back o't laylick tree;
He said, "I think thoo knows who't is:
"Thoo knows it's nobbut me."
It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
An' ups an' doons we've hed;
An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
Sen Jim an' me war wed.
An' many a time I've known him steal,
When I'd yan on me knee,
To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
Date:5 Jun 2005 10:19:50 -0700
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> IT'S NOBBUT ME
>
> John Richardson (1817-1886), St Johns in the Vale
>
>
> Ya winter neet, I mind it weel,
> Oor lads 'ed been at t'fell,
> An', bein'tir't, went seun to bed,
> An' I sat by mesel.
> I hard a jike on t' window pane,
> An' deftly went to see;
> Bit when I ax't, "Who's jiken theer?
> Says t'chap, "It's nobbut me."
>
> "Who's me?" says I, "What want ya here?
> Oor fwok ur aw I'bed"---
> "I dunnet want your fwok at aw,
> It's thee I want," he sed.
> "What cant'e want wi me," says I;
> An' who, the deuce, can 't be?
> Just tell me who it is an' than..."
> Says he, "It's nobbut me."
>
> "I want a sweetheart, an'I thowt
> Thoo mebby wad an' aw;
> I'd been a bit down t'dyall to-neet,
> An' thowt 'at I wad caw;
> What, cant'e like me, dus t'e think?
> I think I wad like thee"---
> "I dunnet know who 't is," says I,
> Says he, "It's nobbut me."
>
> We pestit on a canny while,
> I thowt his voice I kent;
> An' than I steall quite whisht away,
> An' oot at t'dooer I went.
> I creapp, an' gat 'im be t'cwoat laps,
> 'Twas dark, he cuddent see;
> He startit roond, an' said, Who's that?"
> Says I, "It's nobbut me."
>
> An' menny a time he com agean,
> An' menny a time I went,
> An' sed "Who's that 'at's jiken theer?"
> When gaily weel I kent;
> An' mainly what t'seamm answer com,
> Fra back o't laylick tree;
> He said, "I think thoo knows who't is:
> "Thoo knows it's nobbut me."
>
> It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
> An' ups an' doons we've hed;
> An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
> Sen Jim an' me war wed.
> An' many a time I've known him steal,
> When I'd yan on me knee,
> To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
> "Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
>
Terrific. More.
Edith.
Date:Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:27:10 +0200
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snip
>>
>>It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
>>An' ups an' doons we've hed;
>>An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
>>Sen Jim an' me war wed.
>>An' many a time I've known him steal,
>>When I'd yan on me knee,
>>To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
>>"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
>>
>
> Terrific. More.
>
> Edith.
>
>
Yes, that's a nice one.
Jp
Date:Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:11:55 -0400
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> snip
>
>
>
> >>
> >>It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
> >>An' ups an' doons we've hed;
> >>An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
> >>Sen Jim an' me war wed.
> >>An' many a time I've known him steal,
> >>When I'd yan on me knee,
> >>To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
> >>"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
> >>
> >
> > Terrific. More.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> Yes, that's a nice one.
>
> Jp
I believe it's Mrs M. Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has the
approval of the Queen, I might add.
Edith.
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:02:50 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> I believe it's Mrs M. Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has the
> approval of the Queen, I might add.
>
Don't tell me the queen actually understands it? If she does, she's risen
substantially in my estimation.
ally
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:00:43 +0100
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:%odpe.53413$Fe7.157080@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > I believe it's Mrs M. Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has
the
> > approval of the Queen, I might add.
> >
> Don't tell me the queen actually understands it? If she does, she's risen
> substantially in my estimation.
>
> ally
I doubt the Queen understands it all but Mrs. Fisher has been rewarded
something substantial for her efforts. Honest. They have met.
Edith.(I just can't find my book) in all the turmoil of my veranda six and
sevens.I'm so looking forward to getting back to normal. it doesn't look
promising.
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:40:29 +0200
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The Traveller wrote:
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:Ln7pe.8934$hg.5060@fe12.lga...
>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
>>>>An' ups an' doons we've hed;
>>>>An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
>>>>Sen Jim an' me war wed.
>>>>An' many a time I've known him steal,
>>>>When I'd yan on me knee,
>>>>To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
>>>>"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
>>>>
>>>
>>>Terrific. More.
>>>
>>>Edith.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes, that's a nice one.
>>
>>Jp
>
>
> I believe it's Mrs M. Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has the
> approval of the Queen, I might add.
>
> Edith.
>
>
That's the lady that wrote the poem about the Queen for the Jubilee,
isn't it?
Jp
Date:Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:15:04 -0400
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Jpinny" wrote in message
> > news:Ln7pe.8934$hg.5060@fe12.lga...
> >
> >>snip
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
> >>>>An' ups an' doons we've hed;
> >>>>An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
> >>>>Sen Jim an' me war wed.
> >>>>An' many a time I've known him steal,
> >>>>When I'd yan on me knee,
> >>>>To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
> >>>>"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Terrific. More.
> >>>
> >>>Edith.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes, that's a nice one.
> >>
> >>Jp
> >
> >
> > I believe it's Mrs M. Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has
the
> > approval of the Queen, I might add.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> That's the lady that wrote the poem about the Queen for the Jubilee,
> isn't it?
>
> Jp
Yes, Jp. She has one about when she put her 'horse' in the horse show and
one where someone is moving a piano up/down a hill at Seaton. What she
writes is so funny and down to earth. You can't help but love her. It's all
about her environment and how folks had it in those days and in Cumbrian
dialect too. It's magnificent. She's really captured the colours of Cumbria
and if she should read this she'd probably write a poem called "She, is the
Cat's Mother." :0) Some one, a friend on the net for a while, read some of
my poems and sent me one of her books. That's how I got to know her work.
When I opened the book I thought I was reading a foreign language and then
my brain started to punch in and I remembered various sounds in our dialect
that I'd never seen written before and finally I realized what she was
saying. It was just so touching. I wish the lady wouldn't grow older and
could live forever.
Cumbrian Edith.
Edith.
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:36:15 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> I doubt the Queen understands it all but Mrs. Fisher has been rewarded
> something substantial for her efforts. Honest. They have met.
>
Gosh, fancy. "Writer of Cumbrian Dialect by Royal Appointment to HM the
Queen." I bet she can display a coat of arms on all her books.
ally
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:06:05 +0100
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:yQepe.53437$Fe7.157073@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > I doubt the Queen understands it all but Mrs. Fisher has been rewarded
> > something substantial for her efforts. Honest. They have met.
> >
> Gosh, fancy. "Writer of Cumbrian Dialect by Royal Appointment to HM the
> Queen." I bet she can display a coat of arms on all her books.
>
> ally
D'ye wantee ken war my coat o arms er, Ally?
Ther wuz this yan teem when we went te Brighton fer oor 'olidays un tha wuz
this la'al shop ont t'corner und a sez te me mate....t.b.c.
Edith blushing.
Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:14:57 +0200
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Great power to Mrs Fisher's pen, Edith, but were you -- presumably --
referring to the verse I posted when you wrote: "I believe it's Mrs M.
Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has the approval of the
Queen, I might add."
If you were, the true author is shown at the top of the verse, viz:
John Richardson (1817-1886), St Johns in the Vale
In the 1870's and 80's, he wrote two full books of Lakeland verse
(which does have some significant differences to West Cumberland
dialect.... including more Norse influence! LOL).
Eddie
Date:8 Jun 2005 08:01:55 -0700
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Great power to Mrs Fisher's pen, Edith, but were you -- presumably --
> referring to the verse I posted when you wrote: "I believe it's Mrs M.
> Fisher's work frae Seaton/Wukkiton. The lady has the approval of the
> Queen, I might add."
>
> If you were, the true author is shown at the top of the verse, viz:
>
> John Richardson (1817-1886), St Johns in the Vale
>
> In the 1870's and 80's, he wrote two full books of Lakeland verse
> (which does have some significant differences to West Cumberland
> dialect.... including more Norse influence! LOL).
>
> Eddie
>
Yes of course, Eddie. I must have got mixed up again..but......but :-
It's twenty year an' mair sen then,
An' ups an' doons we've hed;
An' six fine barns have blessed us beath,
Sen Jim an' me war wed.
An' many a time I've known him steal,
When I'd yan on me knee,
To mak me start, an' than wad laugh---
"Ha! Ha! It's nobbut me."
Yed think this wuz written by a woman.. don't yh think?
Edith (Sen Jim an' me war wed-'nd many a time I've known him steal) Waddaya
think lad?
Date:Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:41:36 +0200
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Traveller wrote: "Yed think this wuz written by a woman.. don't yh
think?"
Yes, Edith, that's most people's reaction. It's said, however, that he
wrote it as a present for his own wife -- trying to see things from her
side! (Who said 'modern man' was a modern phenomenon??? LOL)
Eddie
Date:10 Jun 2005 20:55:17 -0700
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Traveller wrote: "Yed think this wuz written by a woman.. don't yh
> think?"
>
> Yes, Edith, that's most people's reaction. It's said, however, that he
> wrote it as a present for his own wife -- trying to see things from her
> side! (Who said 'modern man' was a modern phenomenon??? LOL)
>
> Eddie
I see. :0) I can see all the yachts sailing in to bay today, Eddie. Hundreds
of them have already docked. We are expecting around 1000. It's Frde Fyr
Regatta and all the boats dock not less than 200 meters from me. What a view
from my front veranda, except for the two Ash trees in the cemetery across
the road, that have sprouted up higher than the building I live in
:0( I could see the whole bay when I moved in. The boats are tied up
to each other and fill the bay. The crews and families on the ones at the
back of the queue have to walk over the decks of other yachts to get on
land.It's a great view. I have binoculars
Edith.
Date:Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:54:41 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> I see. :0) I can see all the yachts sailing in to bay today, Eddie.
> Hundreds
> of them have already docked. We are expecting around 1000. It's Frde Fyr
> Regatta and all the boats dock not less than 200 meters from me. What a
> view
> from my front veranda, except for the two Ash trees in the cemetery across
> the road, that have sprouted up higher than the building I live in
> :0( I could see the whole bay when I moved in. The boats are tied
> up
> to each other and fill the bay. The crews and families on the ones at the
> back of the queue have to walk over the decks of other yachts to get on
> land.It's a great view. I have binoculars
>
There seem to be many compensations to your enforced exile, you know.
ally
Date:Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:07:55 +0100
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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> There seem to be many compensations to your enforced exile, you know.
>
> ally
I know, Ally. I have chosen this area and abided my time until I got what I
want - but everything feels (foreign) to me. Can't shake it off., ever.
Edith-torn-in-two
Date:Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:32:43 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> "a l l y" wrote in message
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>> There seem to be many compensations to your enforced exile, you know.
>>
>> ally
>
> I know, Ally. I have chosen this area and abided my time until I got what
> I
> want - but everything feels (foreign) to me. Can't shake it off., ever.
>
> Edith-torn-in-two
>
How foreign do your grandchildren feel to you?
ally
Date:Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:52:38 +0100
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> >> There seem to be many compensations to your enforced exile, you know.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > I know, Ally. I have chosen this area and abided my time until I got
what
> > I
> > want - but everything feels (foreign) to me. Can't shake it off., ever.
> >
> > Edith-torn-in-two
> >
> How foreign do your grandchildren feel to you?
>
> ally
Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I should
have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the drag
but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in the
end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if I
had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
Edith.
Date:Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:56:20 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
> should
> have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the drag
> but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in
> the
> end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if I
> had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
>
If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him be.
You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find a
nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your lovely
little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm sure I
did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach them
English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and maybe
they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get older
and come over here on holiday.
Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People who
have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever country
they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of them
can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place they
grew up in no longer exists.
I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to Scotland
whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an all-too-rare
visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's tough,
lass. It's tough.
ally
Date:Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:32:09 +0100
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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> >
> > Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
> > should
> > have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the
drag
> > but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in
> > the
> > end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if
I
> > had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
> >
> If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him be.
> You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find a
> nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your lovely
> little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm sure
I
> did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach
them
> English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and maybe
> they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get older
> and come over here on holiday.
That's a good idea. They have English at school. All Norwegians speak a bit
of English. Grandaughter can sing English hit songs now.
>
> Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People who
> have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
> children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
> British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever
country
> they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of
them
> can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place they
> grew up in no longer exists.
I know. It's frightening. I'm one of the lucky ones, at least now because
I'm allowed to come home whenever I can afford it. In my marriage--well--I
don't have to go into details but I must say Orlando is a different caliber
all together.
>
> I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to Scotland
> whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an all-too-rare
> visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's tough,
> lass. It's tough.
>
> ally
Yes, but now I can put a little away almost every month, now that I'm alone.
It's the price of those durned holiday cottages that puts the price of a
holiday up, sky high. In high season prices are disgustingly high for me.
It's too much for only a week. My (excuse me) veranda is putting me back a
holiday for a while now, unless I win the pools, yet it's something I must
do. There's a couple of lads working on it now. They say they will be
finished by tomorrow but the weather looks like it will get in the way of
that plan.
Otherwise, we're having one miserable summer so far. All those dark clouds
are floating in from your direction. WHO'S blowing them this way. Now, just
stop it.
Edith.
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:46:10 +0200
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a l l y wrote:
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
>>Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
>>should
>>have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the drag
>>but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in
>>the
>>end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if I
>>had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
>>
>
> If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him be.
> You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find a
> nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your lovely
> little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm sure I
> did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach them
> English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and maybe
> they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get older
> and come over here on holiday.
>
> Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People who
> have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
> children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
> British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever country
> they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of them
> can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place they
> grew up in no longer exists.
>
> I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to Scotland
> whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an all-too-rare
> visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's tough,
> lass. It's tough.
>
> ally
I feel a song coming on:
"I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
Across the ocean wild and wide,
To where your heart has ever beeeeen
Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before
heading out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the tree,
was reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been forecast
92F (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness. The normal for
this time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for Keswick is 13C
today. Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June even for Keswick!
Jp
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:45:11 -0400
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "The Traveller" wrote in message
> > news:JpVqe.54455$Fe7.167366@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> >>Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
> >>should
> >>have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the
drag
> >>but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in
> >>the
> >>end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if
I
> >>had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
> >>
> >
> > If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him
be.
> > You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find a
> > nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your
lovely
> > little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm
sure I
> > did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach
them
> > English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and
maybe
> > they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get
older
> > and come over here on holiday.
> >
> > Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People
who
> > have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
> > children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
> > British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever
country
> > they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of
them
> > can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place
they
> > grew up in no longer exists.
> >
> > I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to Scotland
> > whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an all-too-rare
> > visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's
tough,
> > lass. It's tough.
> >
> > ally
>
> I feel a song coming on:
>
> "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
> Across the ocean wild and wide,
> To where your heart has ever beeeeen
> Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
>
> Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before
> heading out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the tree,
> was reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been forecast
> 92F (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness. The normal for
> this time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for Keswick is 13C
> today. Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June even for Keswick!
>
> Jp
It is. It's 15 C here and rainy, not at all warm, and woolies have been
taken out of the cupboards again. I biked it to town to get my groceries in
and you wouldn't believe what I had under my jeans :0) Last night in the
east there was a gorgeous sundown and in the west there were black clouds.
Unbelievable.
Edith
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:34:14 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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>
> Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before heading
> out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the tree, was
> reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been forecast 92F
> (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness. The normal for this
> time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for Keswick is 13C today.
> Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June even for Keswick!
>
It's been really quite cold today, and that's something coming from me, a
hardy Celt who rarely feels the cold. I can't believe it. It's June - just a
few days away from the summer solstice, and I nearly switched on the central
heating. It's been raining all day, although we had a lovely sunset last
night. I hope Edith has read my other post requesting a sundance for this
evening, as otherwise Belfagan will be dancing in the rain in my village, or
worse still, not dancing but huddling in the pub.
ally
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:52:52 +0100
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Traveller wrote: "I can see all the yachts sailing in to bay today,
Eddie. Hundreds of them have already docked. We are expecting around
1000. It's Færde Fyr Regatta and all the boats dock not less than 200
meters from me. What a view..."
I envy you that view, Edith. It sounds fabulous -- and quick raid with
a chainsaw would sort those 2 ash trees out -- (((grin)))
The nicest "yachts" type view I ever had was when I lived on Walney
Island (fabulous bird reserve at the southern end) and my flat
overlooked Walney Channel. It was brilliant when there was stormy
weather! Yes, okay, Barrow-in-Furness and Vickers formed the backdrop,
but there are a lot of worse places!
As for where I'm at now, I bitterly miss the fells, and even though I
live within 30 minutes drive of two of the Great Lakes, I miss our cozy
Lakaland lakes, too...... These things aren't "lakes".... you can't see
the far side -- never mind the far end!
Give me the fells and the lakes any day (but the fjalls and the fjords
would do very nicely!).
Eddie
Date:13 Jun 2005 15:20:09 -0700
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JP wrote:
"I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
Across the ocean wild and wide,
To where your heart has ever beeeeen
Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants.....
______________________________
I must read more slowly and watch the punctuation next time. I
**thought** I didn't recongise the first line of the second verse !!!
Eddie
Date:13 Jun 2005 15:28:16 -0700
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The Traveller wrote:
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:clere.1125$Gy3.1069@fe12.lga...
>
>>a l l y wrote:
>>
>>>"The Traveller" wrote in message
>>>news:JpVqe.54455$Fe7.167366@news000.worldonline.dk...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
>>>>should
>>>>have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the
>
> drag
>
>>>>but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him in
>>>>the
>>>>end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as if
>
> I
>
>>>>had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
>>>>
>>>
>>>If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him
>
> be.
>
>>>You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find a
>>>nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your
>
> lovely
>
>>>little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm
>
> sure I
>
>>>did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach
>
> them
>
>>>English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and
>
> maybe
>
>>>they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get
>
> older
>
>>>and come over here on holiday.
>>>
>>>Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People
>
> who
>
>>>have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
>>>children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
>>>British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever
>
> country
>
>>>they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of
>
> them
>
>>>can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place
>
> they
>
>>>grew up in no longer exists.
>>>
>>>I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to Scotland
>>>whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an all-too-rare
>>>visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's
>
> tough,
>
>>>lass. It's tough.
>>>
>>>ally
>>
>>I feel a song coming on:
>>
>>"I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
>>Across the ocean wild and wide,
>>To where your heart has ever beeeeen
>>Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
>>
>>Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before
>>heading out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the tree,
>>was reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been forecast
>>92F (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness. The normal for
>>this time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for Keswick is 13C
>>today. Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June even for Keswick!
>>
>>Jp
>
>
> It is. It's 15 C here and rainy, not at all warm, and woolies have been
> taken out of the cupboards again. I biked it to town to get my groceries in
> and you wouldn't believe what I had under my jeans :0) Last night in the
> east there was a gorgeous sundown and in the west there were black clouds.
> Unbelievable.
>
> Edith
>
Hmm.We have sunsets in the West over here - frequently they're
fantastic, where the thermals and pollution combine to paint the sky
blazing gold and pink and azure.
Jp
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:20:00 -0400
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Jpinny wrote:
> The Traveller wrote:
>> "Jpinny" wrote in message
>> news:clere.1125$Gy3.1069@fe12.lga...
>>
>>> a l l y wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The Traveller" wrote in message
>>>> news:JpVqe.54455$Fe7.167366@news000.worldonline.dk...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I
>>>>> think I should
>>>>> have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels
>>>>> the
>>
>> drag
>>
>>>>> but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert
>>>>> him in the
>>>>> end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like
>>>>> >>>>>as if
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>> had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave
>>>> him
>>
>> be.
>>
>>>> You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll
>>>> find a nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm
>>>> afraid. Your
>>
>> lovely
>>
>>>> little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as
>>>> I'm
>>
>> sure I
>>
>>>> did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English.
>>>> Teach
>>
>> them
>>
>>>> English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and
>>
>> maybe
>>
>>>> they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they
>>>> get
>>
>> older
>>
>>>> and come over here on holiday.
>>>>
>>>> Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you.
>>>> People
>>
>> who
>>
>>>> have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people
>>>> whose children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren
>>>> are 100% British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness
>>>> for whatever
>>
>> country
>>
>>>> they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you;
>>>> some of
>>
>> them
>>
>>>> can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the
>>>> place
>>
>> they
>>
>>>> grew up in no longer exists.
>>>>
>>>> I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to
>>>> Scotland whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for
>>>> an all-too-rare visit; if I knew I could never afford to return
>>>> there to live. It's
>>
>> tough,
>>
>>>> lass. It's tough.
>>>>
>>>> ally
>>>
>>> I feel a song coming on:
>>>
>>> "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
>>> Across the ocean wild and wide,
>>> To where your heart has ever beeeeen
>>> Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
>>>
>>> Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before
>>> heading out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the
>>> tree, was reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been
>>> forecast 92F (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness.
>>> The normal for this time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for
>>> Keswick is 13C today. Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June
>>> even for Keswick!
>>>
>>> Jp
>>
>>
>> It is. It's 15 C here and rainy, not at all warm, and woolies have
>> been taken out of the cupboards again. I biked it to town to get my
>> groceries in and you wouldn't believe what I had under my jeans :0)
>> Last night in the east there was a gorgeous sundown and in the west
>> there were black clouds. Unbelievable.
>>
>> Edith
>>
>
> Hmm.We have sunsets in the West over here - frequently they're
> fantastic, where the thermals and pollution combine to paint the sky
> blazing gold and pink and azure.
>
> Jp
we frequently have very nice sunrises thanks to the presence of the
refineries and petro-chemical plants on the east side of town. We used get
get nice sunsets in Rijswijk thanks to the plants in Europort.
Al
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Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:47:27 -0500
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Alfred Packer wrote:
> we frequently have very nice sunrises thanks to the presence of the
> refineries and petro-chemical plants on the east side of town. We used get
> get nice sunsets in Rijswijk thanks to the plants in Europort.
>
> Al
Used to live in Den Briel. The ride from Rotterdam, up past Spijkenisse
was actually very attractive at night. Almost as pretty as Billingham.
Jp
Date:Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:09:09 -0400
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
news:1118701209.146723.22980@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Traveller wrote: "I can see all the yachts sailing in to bay today,
Eddie. Hundreds of them have already docked. We are expecting around
1000. It's Frde Fyr Regatta and all the boats dock not less than 200
meters from me. What a view..."
I envy you that view, Edith. It sounds fabulous -- and quick raid with
a chainsaw would sort those 2 ash trees out -- (((grin)))
The nicest "yachts" type view I ever had was when I lived on Walney
Island (fabulous bird reserve at the southern end) and my flat
overlooked Walney Channel. It was brilliant when there was stormy
weather! Yes, okay, Barrow-in-Furness and Vickers formed the backdrop,
but there are a lot of worse places!
As for where I'm at now, I bitterly miss the fells, and even though I
live within 30 minutes drive of two of the Great Lakes, I miss our cozy
Lakaland lakes, too...... These things aren't "lakes".... you can't see
the far side -- never mind the far end!
Give me the fells and the lakes any day (but the fjalls and the fjords
would do very nicely!).
Eddie
LOL. The fjells and the fjords. Sounds like you have a speech impediment. J
is pronounced as a Y. Go on, try it, fyord, fyells. Chuckle.They're nice to
look at.
Where exactly are you situated, Eddie? Will you ever go back home to
Cumbria.?
Edith.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:23:38 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> JP wrote:
> "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
> Across the ocean wild and wide,
> To where your heart has ever beeeeen
> Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
>
> Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants.....
> ______________________________
>
> I must read more slowly and watch the punctuation next time. I
> **thought** I didn't recongise the first line of the second verse !!!
>
> Eddie
>
Shi ment 'rosebud.'
Edith titteringly.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:25:40 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Jpinny" wrote in message
> > news:clere.1125$Gy3.1069@fe12.lga...
> >
> >>a l l y wrote:
> >>
> >>>"The Traveller" wrote in message
> >>>news:JpVqe.54455$Fe7.167366@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Don't remind me. I try to make them British but they won't. I think I
> >>>>should
> >>>>have whipped them soundly when they were small. My daughter feels the
> >
> > drag
> >
> >>>>but my son who was born here is 100% Norwegian-but I WILL convert him
in
> >>>>the
> >>>>end-if I could just find a nice Cumbrian lass for him - like >>>>>as
if
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>had any influence, doh. Did MY parents? NO!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If your son's happy being 100% Norwegian you'd be better to leave him
> >
> > be.
> >
> >>>You don't want him to end up like you, torn in two, do you? He'll find
a
> >>>nice Norwegian lass and have nice Norwegian kids, I'm afraid. Your
> >
> > lovely
> >
> >>>little granddaughter, whom I met, seemed quite foreign to me, (as I'm
> >
> > sure I
> >
> >>>did to her!), but that was only because she didn't speak English. Teach
> >
> > them
> >
> >>>English songs and rhymes - make them familiar with the language and
> >
> > maybe
> >
> >>>they'll feel more comfortable with their British roots when they get
> >
> > older
> >
> >>>and come over here on holiday.
> >>>
> >>>Britain is full of people in the same sort of situation as you. People
> >
> > who
> >
> >>>have moved here and settled down and made their home here: people whose
> >>>children feel more or less British, and whose grandchildren are 100%
> >>>British. People who still feel the tug of homesickness for whatever
> >
> > country
> >
> >>>they left in their youth. Some of them aren't as lucky as you; some of
> >
> > them
> >
> >>>can never go home even for a visit; some of them would find the place
> >
> > they
> >
> >>>grew up in no longer exists.
> >>>
> >>>I know how I'd feel if I couldn't just nip across the border to
Scotland
> >>>whenever I feel like it; if I had to save for months for an
all-too-rare
> >>>visit; if I knew I could never afford to return there to live. It's
> >
> > tough,
> >
> >>>lass. It's tough.
> >>>
> >>>ally
> >>
> >>I feel a song coming on:
> >>
> >>"I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleeeeen,
> >>Across the ocean wild and wide,
> >>To where your heart has ever beeeeen
> >>Since first you were my bonny brrride...."
> >>
> >>Phew, it's hot today. I've just been out to water my plants before
> >>heading out for the morning, and my garden thermometer, under the tree,
> >>was reading 27 degrees C (82F) at half past seven. We've been forecast
> >>92F (33C), which is just a bit too hot for pleasantness. The normal for
> >>this time of year is 25C. I see that the maximum for Keswick is 13C
> >>today. Actually, that seems a bit chilly for June even for Keswick!
> >>
> >>Jp
> >
> >
> > It is. It's 15 C here and rainy, not at all warm, and woolies have been
> > taken out of the cupboards again. I biked it to town to get my groceries
in
> > and you wouldn't believe what I had under my jeans :0) Last night in the
> > east there was a gorgeous sundown and in the west there were black
clouds.
> > Unbelievable.
> >
> > Edith
> >
>
> Hmm.We have sunsets in the West over here - frequently they're
> fantastic, where the thermals and pollution combine to paint the sky
> blazing gold and pink and azure.
>
> Jp
I'm not sure where they are here when the first appear at this time of year.
They are an all night thingie.Way up north they have the midnight sun and
it's dark all the time for 6 months then light for the other 6 months. I'd
go bonkers living up theer.
Edith, painting her windows black.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:29:48 +0200
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The Traveller wrote:
(huge snip)
> I'm not sure where they are here when the first appear at this time of year.
> They are an all night thingie.Way up north they have the midnight sun and
> it's dark all the time for 6 months then light for the other 6 months. I'd
> go bonkers living up theer.
>
> Edith, painting her windows black.
>
>
>
I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
got properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark
grey on a cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom
at 3am on a blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds
twittered outside. You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter,
the days are very short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD
(Seasonally Affected Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are
officially the most miserable bu99ers in Britain.
Jp
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:55:00 -0400
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> I envy you that view, Edith. It sounds fabulous -- and
> quick raid with a chainsaw would sort those 2 ash trees out
> -- (((grin)))
>
> The nicest "yachts" type view I ever had was when I lived
> on Walney Island (fabulous bird reserve at the southern
> end) and my flat overlooked Walney Channel. It was
> brilliant when there was stormy weather! Yes, okay,
> Barrow-in-Furness and Vickers formed the backdrop, but
> there are a lot of worse places!
>
> As for where I'm at now, I bitterly miss the fells, and
> even though I live within 30 minutes drive of two of the
> Great Lakes, I miss our cozy Lakaland lakes, too......
> These things aren't "lakes".... you can't see the far side
> -- never mind the far end!
>
> Give me the fells and the lakes any day (but the fjalls and
> the fjords would do very nicely!).
>
> Eddie
I agree with you about Walney Island. I like it there. It's not
beautiful but it has it's charm. You can look over the sea or up
toward Black Combe.
What about the Finger Lakes? Can't be too far away from you and
you can go on wine tasting tours - although both the lakes and
the wine are uninspiring IMHO.
Johnny-giving-you-the-finger-lakes-idea
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Date:14 Jun 2005 09:59:22 -0500
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> (huge snip)
>
> > I'm not sure where they are here when the first appear at this time of
year.
> > They are an all night thingie.Way up north they have the midnight sun
and
> > it's dark all the time for 6 months then light for the other 6 months.
I'd
> > go bonkers living up theer.
> >
> > Edith, painting her windows black.
> >
> >
> >
> I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
> got properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark
> grey on a cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom
> at 3am on a blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds
> twittered outside. You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter,
> the days are very short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD
> (Seasonally Affected Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are
> officially the most miserable bu99ers in Britain.
>
> Jp
Lol. Go further north and a bit westward, ohmygawd. You say hello to people
on the street and they just look at you like you are an alien.
Edith.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:57:13 +0200
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> What about the Finger Lakes? Can't be too far away from you and
> you can go on wine tasting tours - although both the lakes and
> the wine are uninspiring IMHO.
>
> Johnny-giving-you-the-finger-lakes-idea
Finger lakes? Are you feeling alright, Johnny? Shall I call someone for
you.?
Edith calling the men in green coats.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:11:29 +0200
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The Traveller wrote:
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42aef0ca$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>
>>What about the Finger Lakes? Can't be too far away from you and
>>you can go on wine tasting tours - although both the lakes and
>>the wine are uninspiring IMHO.
>>
>>Johnny-giving-you-the-finger-lakes-idea
>
>
> Finger lakes? Are you feeling alright, Johnny? Shall I call someone for
> you.?
>
> Edith calling the men in green coats.
>
>
I can vouch for the existence of the Finger Lakes. Ms Pinny is currently
residing about 30 miles from there. They are so called because they are
long and thin and laid out side by side between Syracuse and Buffalo
beneath the south shore of Lake Ontario.
Jp
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:41:20 -0400
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> Finger lakes? Are you feeling alright, Johnny? Shall I call
> someone for you.?
>
> Edith calling the men in green coats.
Green coats? I don't need any gardening help.
Johnny-green-thumb
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Date:14 Jun 2005 12:06:16 -0500
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never got
> properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark grey on a
> cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom at 3am on a
> blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds twittered outside.
> You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter, the days are very
> short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD (Seasonally Affected
> Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are officially the most
> miserable bu99ers in Britain.
>
Goodness, it's a bit like that here, many degrees south of Aberdeen. I never
realised how light it was during the summer nights when I lived in
Edinbugh - I suppose the street lights dimmed the glow of the sky - but
here, where there's less light pollution, on cloudless summer nights it's
quite bright in the north, like a constant sunset. One of these nights, if
it stops being so unseasonably cold, I might take the dogs out for a
midnight walk. It would be fascinating, I think.
ally
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:46:55 +0100
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> > news:42aef0ca$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >
> >>What about the Finger Lakes? Can't be too far away from you and
> >>you can go on wine tasting tours - although both the lakes and
> >>the wine are uninspiring IMHO.
> >>
> >>Johnny-giving-you-the-finger-lakes-idea
> >
> >
> > Finger lakes? Are you feeling alright, Johnny? Shall I call someone for
> > you.?
> >
> > Edith calling the men in green coats.
> >
> >
> I can vouch for the existence of the Finger Lakes. Ms Pinny is currently
> residing about 30 miles from there. They are so called because they are
> long and thin and laid out side by side between Syracuse and Buffalo
> beneath the south shore of Lake Ontario.
>
> Jp
They sound fine.
Edith.
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:53:24 +0200
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:pAzre.38$Lg4.24@fe12.lga...
>
> > I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
got
> > properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark grey on
a
> > cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom at 3am on
a
> > blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds twittered
outside.
> > You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter, the days are very
> > short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD (Seasonally
Affected
> > Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are officially the most
> > miserable bu99ers in Britain.
> >
> Goodness, it's a bit like that here, many degrees south of Aberdeen. I
never
> realised how light it was during the summer nights when I lived in
> Edinbugh - I suppose the street lights dimmed the glow of the sky - but
> here, where there's less light pollution, on cloudless summer nights it's
> quite bright in the north, like a constant sunset. One of these nights, if
> it stops being so unseasonably cold, I might take the dogs out for a
> midnight walk. It would be fascinating, I think.
>
> ally
Let's hope old Nick gets yuh.
Evil Edith
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:58:52 +0200
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Jpinny wrote:
> The Traveller wrote:
> (huge snip)
>
>> I'm not sure where they are here when the first appear at this time
>> of year. They are an all night thingie.Way up north they have the
>> midnight sun and it's dark all the time for 6 months then light for
>> the other 6 months. I'd go bonkers living up theer.
>>
>> Edith, painting her windows black.
>>
>>
>>
> I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
> got properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark
> grey on a cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my
> bedroom at 3am on a blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the
> birds twittered outside. You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the
> winter, the days are very short and the city has the highest
> incidence of SADD (Seasonally Affected Depressive Disorder) in the
> country! They are officially the most miserable bu99ers in Britain.
>
> Jp
Billy Connolly has a ten minute dissertation on the subject of Aberdonians
on one of his albums. The climate is so miserable they are naturally blue
and go sit on the beach during summer in order to turn white.
Al
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Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:24:14 -0500
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Traveller wrote: "Where exactly are you situated, Eddie? Will you ever
go back home to Cumbria.?"
1. Near Buffalo, Western New York state (and 30 minutes from Niagara
Falls, & 2 hours from Toronto)
2. I hope so..... Oh God, I hope so..... but circumstances definitely
dictate otherwise at present {:-s
Eddie
Date:14 Jun 2005 19:16:38 -0700
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Johnny wrote: "What about the Finger Lakes? Can't be too far away from
you and you can go on wine tasting tours - although both the lakes and
the wine are uninspiring IMHO......Johnny-giving-you-the-finger..."
Yes, we are not too far from the Finger Lakes but, like you, I am
uninspired by them. (Though the Watkins Glen racetrack is beside one of
them!!!.... and I wish I'd been in Montreal last weekend -- Canadian F1
Grand Prix)
The best feature in the general direction of the Finger Lakes (and
about 50 miles from us) is the Genessee gorge in Letchworth State Park.
For marketing purposes, it is often referred to as 'The Grand Canyon
of the East' which is a preposterous exaggeration, but it is stunningly
beautiful, none the less.
Eddie
Date:14 Jun 2005 19:24:34 -0700
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Jpinny wrote: "Ms Pinny is currently residing about 30 miles from
there."
About 30 miles from there? Have they moved the first two-thirds of
LIL, then? (Cryptographers will have to work that one out!)
I suspect that the words 'daughter' and 'college' might have something
to do with this!
Eddie
Date:14 Jun 2005 19:28:30 -0700
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Alfred Packer wrote: "Billy Connolly has a ten minute dissertation on
the subject of Aberdonians..."
One of my favourites is his line about the incredible winds and there
being no trees in Shetland and the Orkneys as a result, so the dogs
have to lie on their backs and pee in the air...... and when it rains
in Oslo.............................!
Eddie
Date:14 Jun 2005 19:32:31 -0700
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Skiddaw Hermit wrote:
> Jpinny wrote: "Ms Pinny is currently residing about 30 miles from
> there."
>
> About 30 miles from there? Have they moved the first two-thirds of
> LIL, then? (Cryptographers will have to work that one out!)
>
> I suspect that the words 'daughter' and 'college' might have something
> to do with this!
>
> Eddie
>
Ms P doing an internship for Senator Chuck in one of his upstate
regional offices. She is an infant prodigy, you understand, and I was a
child bride.
Nassau county remains in the flight path of JFK.
Jp
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:45:00 -0400
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Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
You mean....
That night....
The night we danced.....
I was.....
Dancing with another man's wife......?
At the age of 13 ???????
Well heck!
Eddie the usurped
Date:14 Jun 2005 19:49:22 -0700
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The Traveller wrote:
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> They sound fine.
>
> Edith.
>
>
Oh, they are, when you live in the metropolitan area of probably the
best-known city on earth and the air is sour in the summertime and the
rain on the patio furniture evaporates to leave a black dust and from a
stroll along the golden beaches of Long Island, you can look over to a
greenish pall over the City.
The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
Jp
Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:08:17 -0400
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Jpinny wrote:
> The Traveller wrote:
> (huge snip)
>
>> I'm not sure where they are here when the first appear at this time
>> of year. They are an all night thingie.Way up north they have the
>> midnight sun and it's dark all the time for 6 months then light for
>> the other 6 months. I'd go bonkers living up theer.
>>
>> Edith, painting her windows black.
>>
>>
>>
> I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
> got properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark
> grey on a cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my
> bedroom at 3am on a blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the
> birds twittered outside. You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the
> winter, the days are very short and the city has the highest
> incidence of SADD (Seasonally Affected Depressive Disorder) in the
> country! They are officially the most miserable bu99ers in Britain.
>
> Jp
Billy Connolly has a ten minute dissertation on the subject of Aberdonians
on one of his albums. The climate is so miserable they are naturally blue
and go sit on the beach during summer in order to turn white.
Al
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Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:24:14 -0500
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Finger lakes? Are you feeling alright, Johnny? Shall I call
> > someone for you.?
> >
> > Edith calling the men in green coats.
>
> Green coats? I don't need any gardening help.
>
> Johnny-green-thumb
EH! GREEN THUMB.! How do I get rid of small flies on my plants? TELL MR.
Good morning all.
Edith
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:33:12 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Alfred Packer wrote: "Billy Connolly has a ten minute dissertation on
> the subject of Aberdonians..."
>
> One of my favourites is his line about the incredible winds and there
> being no trees in Shetland and the Orkneys as a result, so the dogs
> have to lie on their backs and pee in the air...... and when it rains
> in Oslo.............................!
>
> Eddie
>
Lol.
Edith
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:16:52 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
>
> You mean....
>
> That night....
>
> The night we danced.....
>
> I was.....
>
> Dancing with another man's wife......?
>
> At the age of 13 ???????
>
> Well heck!
>
> Eddie the usurped
>
That's Cumbria faw yuh.
Edith. (sensibly waited until she was 16, gawdforbid.)
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:37:25 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
> wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
>
> Jp
MOB GRAVES??????????????????
Edith
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:39:16 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Traveller wrote: "Where exactly are you situated, Eddie? Will you ever
> go back home to Cumbria.?"
>
> 1. Near Buffalo, Western New York state (and 30 minutes from Niagara
> Falls, & 2 hours from Toronto)
>
> 2. I hope so..... Oh God, I hope so..... but circumstances definitely
> dictate otherwise at present {:-s
>
> Eddie
>
Don't worry. You'll get home Eddie. Everyone returns to Cumbria. Put yer
pennies aside.
Edith.
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:07 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> Johnny wrote: "What about the Finger Lakes?
> The best feature in the general direction of the Finger Lakes (and
> about 50 miles from us) is the Genessee gorge in Letchworth State Park.
> For marketing purposes, it is often referred to as 'The Grand Canyon
> of the East' which is a preposterous exaggeration, but it is stunningly
> beautiful, none the less.
>
> Eddie
http://www.gowaterfalling.com/waterfalls/letchworth.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/8975/hi/hi.html (Some beautiful
pictures here)
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:40 +0200
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The Traveller wrote:
> EH! GREEN THUMB.! How do I get rid of small flies on my plants? TELL MR.
>
> Good morning all.
> Edith
>
>
Morning Edith. I don't know if Johnny is an expert on horticulture, but
as far as I know, ladybirds are your ally in the war against greenfly
(aphids), although I don't know how to attract them. Grow lavender near
roses. For a short term solution, Put a wee drop of washing-up liquid
into a spray bottle, fill with warm water and squirt the affected leaves
or petals.
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:13:48 -0400
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
> "a l l y" wrote in message
> news:3h8qhdFfevvuU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Jpinny" wrote in message
>> news:pAzre.38$Lg4.24@fe12.lga...
>>
>> > I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it never
> got
>> > properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark grey
>> > on
> a
>> > cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom at 3am on
> a
>> > blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds twittered
> outside.
>> > You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter, the days are very
>> > short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD (Seasonally
> Affected
>> > Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are officially the most
>> > miserable bu99ers in Britain.
>> >
>> Goodness, it's a bit like that here, many degrees south of Aberdeen. I
> never
>> realised how light it was during the summer nights when I lived in
>> Edinbugh - I suppose the street lights dimmed the glow of the sky - but
>> here, where there's less light pollution, on cloudless summer nights it's
>> quite bright in the north, like a constant sunset. One of these nights,
>> if
>> it stops being so unseasonably cold, I might take the dogs out for a
>> midnight walk. It would be fascinating, I think.
>>
>> ally
>
> Let's hope old Nick gets yuh.
>
I'd have to take the dogs to the crossroads for that, wouldn't I? Hmm...
might be worth it.... I could sell my dogs to the Devil and get to play the
blues properly.... Hmmm....
ally
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:25:42 +0100
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Skiddaw Hermit wrote:
> Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
>
> You mean....
>
> That night....
>
> The night we danced.....
>
> I was.....
>
> Dancing with another man's wife......?
>
> At the age of 13 ???????
>
> Well heck!
>
> Eddie the usurped
>
I was the original Infant Prodigy and clearly this was before I, er,
took the veil.
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:25:42 -0400
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"Alfred Packer" wrote in message
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>
> Billy Connolly has a ten minute dissertation on the subject of Aberdonians
> on one of his albums. The climate is so miserable they are naturally blue
> and go sit on the beach during summer in order to turn white.
>
That sounds about right.
ally-not-Aberdonian
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:26:16 +0100
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
>> The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
>> wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
>>
>> Jp
>
> MOB GRAVES??????????????????
>
At first I thought this might be a place where they buried entire mobs of
annoying people all at once ... like those million protesters Bob Geldof is
trying to bring to Edinburgh... but then it occurred to me it's probably
where gangsters bury their victims who have been gunned down in family feuds
on the streets of NY.
JP???
ally
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:29:28 +0100
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
> "Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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>> Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
>>
>> You mean....
>>
>> That night....
>>
>> The night we danced.....
>>
>> I was.....
>>
>> Dancing with another man's wife......?
>>
>> At the age of 13 ???????
>>
>> Well heck!
>>
>> Eddie the usurped
>>
> That's Cumbria faw yuh.
>
> Edith. (sensibly waited until she was 16, gawdforbid.)
>
I've danced with other men's wives. I've even danced with other women's
husbands. No difficulties have so far arisen from any of these morrissing
activities, and I wasn't aware of any lower age limit either, as I noticed
several quite young girls taking part.
ally
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:31:55 +0100
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The Traveller wrote:
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
>
>>The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
>>wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
>>
>>Jp
>
>
> MOB GRAVES??????????????????
>
> Edith
>
>
Viewers of The Sopranos will remember that the last resting place of one
of Tony's less popular relations was a field upstate, and I am sure that
there was something in The Godfather. They have to spread the bodies around.
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:36:23 -0400
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a l l y wrote:
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:o2Qre.55470$Fe7.170346@news000.worldonline.dk...
>
>>"Jpinny" wrote in message
>>news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
>>
>>>The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
>>>wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
>>>
>>>Jp
>>
>>MOB GRAVES??????????????????
>>
>
> At first I thought this might be a place where they buried entire mobs of
> annoying people all at once ... like those million protesters Bob Geldof is
> trying to bring to Edinburgh... but then it occurred to me it's probably
> where gangsters bury their victims who have been gunned down in family feuds
> on the streets of NY.
>
> JP???
>
> ally
>
>
Something like that, yes. Others "Sleep with the fishes".
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:38:47 -0400
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a l l y wrote:
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:F0Qre.55469$Fe7.170936@news000.worldonline.dk...
>
>>"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
>>news:1118803762.805750.119150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
>>>
>>>You mean....
>>>
>>>That night....
>>>
>>>The night we danced.....
>>>
>>>I was.....
>>>
>>>Dancing with another man's wife......?
>>>
>>>At the age of 13 ???????
>>>
>>>Well heck!
>>>
>>>Eddie the usurped
>>>
>>
>>That's Cumbria faw yuh.
>>
>>Edith. (sensibly waited until she was 16, gawdforbid.)
>>
>
> I've danced with other men's wives. I've even danced with other women's
> husbands. No difficulties have so far arisen from any of these morrissing
> activities, and I wasn't aware of any lower age limit either, as I noticed
> several quite young girls taking part.
>
> ally
>
>
I have to own up to dancing with, oh, it's probably a couple of dozen
over the years if I count up weddings and nights out at the social club,
since I plighted my troth! Lots and lots more, if I count the ones I've
twirled around with in those eight-couple "Strip The Willows".
For better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, but not for lunch and
certainly not The Playgroup Mums' Girls' Night Out.
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:56:15 -0400
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> > EH! GREEN THUMB.! How do I get rid of small flies on my plants? TELL MR.
> >
> > Good morning all.
> > Edith
> >
> >
> Morning Edith. I don't know if Johnny is an expert on horticulture, but
> as far as I know, ladybirds are your ally in the war against greenfly
> (aphids), although I don't know how to attract them. Grow lavender near
> roses. For a short term solution, Put a wee drop of washing-up liquid
> into a spray bottle, fill with warm water and squirt the affected leaves
> or petals.
>
> Jp
Thank you Jp. It isn't green flie, it's small black flies. They say that a
certain plant kills them. I believe, from the pictures in my book that it is
a Radermachera sinicia. To me it looks like the leaves of a beetroot so I'm
going to try planting a beetroot and see what happens.
Orly calls them banana fies but they are an all year resident if they get
their way and live in the soil, with or without bananas. I'll spray my
plants when I can take them out onto the v..e..r..a..n..d..a, which no one
has even looked at today.
btw. Those horrid sticky things that you pull out and let hang (sorry lads)
from the ceiling that I bought in Keswick, are full of tflies and still they
breed.
eeerm. Edwina.
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:33:59 +0200
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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> >
> > "a l l y" wrote in message
> > news:3h8qhdFfevvuU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> >> news:pAzre.38$Lg4.24@fe12.lga...
> >>
> >> > I like it to be dark at night, too. When I lived in Aberdeen, it
never
> > got
> >> > properly dark in June or July. Twilight was all you got, or dark grey
> >> > on
> > a
> >> > cloudy night. I remember my daughter toddling into my bedroom at 3am
on
> > a
> >> > blue skied morning with a cheery "Mornee!" as the birds twittered
> > outside.
> >> > You need blackout blinds. Groan. Then in the winter, the days are
very
> >> > short and the city has the highest incidence of SADD (Seasonally
> > Affected
> >> > Depressive Disorder) in the country! They are officially the most
> >> > miserable bu99ers in Britain.
> >> >
> >> Goodness, it's a bit like that here, many degrees south of Aberdeen. I
> > never
> >> realised how light it was during the summer nights when I lived in
> >> Edinbugh - I suppose the street lights dimmed the glow of the sky - but
> >> here, where there's less light pollution, on cloudless summer nights
it's
> >> quite bright in the north, like a constant sunset. One of these nights,
> >> if
> >> it stops being so unseasonably cold, I might take the dogs out for a
> >> midnight walk. It would be fascinating, I think.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > Let's hope old Nick gets yuh.
> >
> I'd have to take the dogs to the crossroads for that, wouldn't I? Hmm...
> might be worth it.... I could sell my dogs to the Devil and get to play
the
> blues properly.... Hmmm....
>
> ally
Throw in a cat and ye might be able tuh sing.
Edith (giggle gigggle giggggggle)
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:41:31 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> Skiddaw Hermit wrote:
> > Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
> >
> > You mean....
> >
> > That night....
> >
> > The night we danced.....
> >
> > I was.....
> >
> > Dancing with another man's wife......?
> >
> > At the age of 13 ???????
> >
> > Well heck!
> >
> > Eddie the usurped
> >
> I was the original Infant Prodigy and clearly this was before I, er,
> took the veil.
>
> Jp
>
Yer a bad lass.
Edith. (coooors, I wusn't but I got stamped fer life) but at least I didn't
end up doon on't docks in't wookhoos, thanks be tuh me Mam und Dad. I didn't
hev a penny tuh me name und the Postman didn't seem to kno me address.)
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:46:40 +0200
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:F0Qre.55469$Fe7.170936@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > "Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
> > news:1118803762.805750.119150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> Jp wrote: ".....I was a child bride...."
> >>
> >> You mean....
> >>
> >> That night....
> >>
> >> The night we danced.....
> >>
> >> I was.....
> >>
> >> Dancing with another man's wife......?
> >>
> >> At the age of 13 ???????
> >>
> >> Well heck!
> >>
> >> Eddie the usurped
> >>
> > That's Cumbria faw yuh.
> >
> > Edith. (sensibly waited until she was 16, gawdforbid.)
> >
> I've danced with other men's wives. I've even danced with other women's
> husbands. No difficulties have so far arisen from any of these morrissing
> activities, and I wasn't aware of any lower age limit either, as I noticed
> several quite young girls taking part.
>
> ally
Sodam and Gomorrah.!
Edith
btw. D'yuh think he's really unsoddled, like, has he sez, him, that Eddie,
like, unsurped? I doubt his word. Do you.?
Edith.
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:02:00 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Jpinny" wrote in message
> > news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
> >
> >>The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
> >>wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
> >>
> >>Jp
> >
> >
> > MOB GRAVES??????????????????
> >
> > Edith
> >
> >
> Viewers of The Sopranos will remember that the last resting place of one
> of Tony's less popular relations was a field upstate, and I am sure that
> there was something in The Godfather. They have to spread the bodies
around.
>
> Jp
Blimey are they still doing it? Digging them up. Fishing them out of
rivers.? And I walked all around NY with a T-shirt on that read, in big
letters .........."Kentucky."
Edith.
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:04:24 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "The Traveller" wrote in message
> > news:o2Qre.55470$Fe7.170346@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> >>"Jpinny" wrote in message
> >>news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
> >>
> >>>The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
> >>>wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
> >>>
> >>>Jp
> >>
> >>MOB GRAVES??????????????????
> >>
> >
> > At first I thought this might be a place where they buried entire mobs
of
> > annoying people all at once ... like those million protesters Bob Geldof
is
> > trying to bring to Edinburgh... but then it occurred to me it's probably
> > where gangsters bury their victims who have been gunned down in family
feuds
> > on the streets of NY.
> >
> > JP???
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> Something like that, yes. Others "Sleep with the fishes".
>
> Jp
Awwww, well...that's a nice way tuh ga.
Edith
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:05:05 +0200
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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> I have to own up to dancing with, oh, it's probably a couple of dozen
> over the years if I count up weddings and nights out at the social club,
> since I plighted my troth! Lots and lots more, if I count the ones I've
> twirled around with in those eight-couple "Strip The Willows".
Strip the Willow. That sounds awfully exciting. Does it hurt?
>
> For better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, but not for lunch and
> certainly not The Playgroup Mums' Girls' Night Out.
>
> Jp
I never go anywhere anymore.
Edith.
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:06:44 +0200
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
>
> Strip the Willow. That sounds awfully exciting. Does it hurt?
If you'd gotten up off your erse at those Belfagan ceilidhs you came to, you
might have found out....
ally
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:33 +0100
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:RBWre.55530$Fe7.171082@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
>
> >
> > Strip the Willow. That sounds awfully exciting. Does it hurt?
>
> If you'd gotten up off your erse at those Belfagan ceilidhs you came to,
you
> might have found out....
>
> ally
I was in bad fettle at the Cockermouth ceilidh and the other one somewhere
else I kicked up my heals a la'al bit I did, all the same one round with
Strip the Willow, The Gay Gordons or even Roll the Bobbin would have killed
me.
Edith
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:18:59 +0200
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The Traveller wrote:
> Strip the Willow. That sounds awfully exciting. Does it hurt?
It does if you get twirled too roughly and you're wearing the wrong
shoes and you could get breathless or have a stitch. And it does hurt
the next day, if you don't cool down the muscles. It's a real workout.
All the men stand down one side of the floor, and their partners face
them. The top couple dance together and then they have to dance a set
and then criss-cross and twirl with every single person in the line
until they get to the bottom of the rows. The next couple starts off
when the first couple have got down to dancing with the fourth couple,
which means it's there's little standing about for anyone, and there's a
constant motion. When the men are in kilts it's very dangerous!
"Wheee-Heuch!"
>
> I never go anywhere anymore.
I rarely do. I'm in an interval and waiting for friends' and relations'
kids to start getting married. We went to two weddings in the last 4
years, and I danced then. Special requests for the oldies.
Jp
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:26:50 -0400
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"The Traveller" wrote in message
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>
> I was in bad fettle at the Cockermouth ceilidh and the other one somewhere
> else I kicked up my heals a la'al bit I did, all the same one round with
> Strip the Willow, The Gay Gordons or even Roll the Bobbin would have
> killed
> me.
>
It was at Egremont, I think. I guess there are some folk who are just better
off not dancing. I used to think I was one of them, actually, but blow me
down, here I am starting to make my very own Belfagan frock so I can join
the girls in the dances.... I still can't believe I'm doing this....
ally
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:19:11 +0100
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JP referred to "Wheee-Heuch!"
Isn't that what scotsmen keep their wee rabbits in?
Eddie-the-still-usurped---AND-she-danced-with-20-or-30-more!!!! {;-)
Date:15 Jun 2005 15:55:18 -0700
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a l l y wrote:
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:o2Qre.55470$Fe7.170346@news000.worldonline.dk...
>>
>> "Jpinny" wrote in message
>> news:BYMre.572$Lg4.397@fe12.lga...
>>> The worst thing you're going to encounter upstate, where they have
>>> wonderful starry nights, are bears and Rednecks and mob graves.
>>>
>>> Jp
>>
>> MOB GRAVES??????????????????
>>
> At first I thought this might be a place where they buried entire
> mobs of annoying people all at once ... like those million protesters
> Bob Geldof is trying to bring to Edinburgh... but then it occurred to
> me it's probably where gangsters bury their victims who have been
> gunned down in family feuds on the streets of NY.
>
> JP???
>
> ally
Goodfellas or maybe the Sopranos featured a scene where they had to relocate
some of their disposal sites because the farmer had sold the property for
residential development.
Al
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Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:58:59 -0500
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Alfred Packer wrote:
>>JP???
>>
>>ally
>
>
> Goodfellas or maybe the Sopranos featured a scene where they had to relocate
> some of their disposal sites because the farmer had sold the property for
> residential development.
>
> Al
>
I think I was confusing Goodfellas with the Godfather. It all gets
pretty confusing when you live somewhere between Oyster Bay and Long Beach!
Jp (whose surname ends in a consonant)
Date:Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:50:49 -0400
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller" wrote in message
> news:Ba%re.55568$Fe7.171306@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > I was in bad fettle at the Cockermouth ceilidh and the other one
somewhere
> > else I kicked up my heals a la'al bit I did, all the same one round with
> > Strip the Willow, The Gay Gordons or even Roll the Bobbin would have
> > killed
> > me.
> >
> It was at Egremont, I think. I guess there are some folk who are just
better
> off not dancing. I used to think I was one of them, actually, but blow me
> down, here I am starting to make my very own Belfagan frock so I can join
> the girls in the dances.... I still can't believe I'm doing this....
>
> ally
>
Fantastic. Go for it Ally. I've danced loads in my time. I don't have the
back for it any more. I just do a bit of shit kicking these days. A tango
would put me out for weeks.
Edith-dipping-OUCH!
Date:Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:56:30 +0200
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"Skiddaw Hermit" wrote in message
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> JP referred to "Wheee-Heuch!"
>
> Isn't that what scotsmen keep their wee rabbits in?
>
> Eddie-the-still-usurped---AND-she-danced-with-20-or-30-more!!!! {;-)
No chance there then, Eddie. Come home lad.
;))) Edith.
Date:Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:06:30 +0200
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> It was at Egremont, I think. I guess there are some folk
> who are just better off not dancing. I used to think I was
> one of them, actually, but blow me down, here I am starting
> to make my very own Belfagan frock so I can join the girls
> in the dances.... I still can't believe I'm doing this....
>
> ally
The other day, someone asked me what I meant when I used the
term 'middle-aged crazy'. Can I use you as a living example?
Johnny-curious
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Date:16 Jun 2005 08:42:19 -0500
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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>> It was at Egremont, I think. I guess there are some folk
>> who are just better off not dancing. I used to think I was
>> one of them, actually, but blow me down, here I am starting
>> to make my very own Belfagan frock so I can join the girls
>> in the dances.... I still can't believe I'm doing this....
>>
>> ally
>
> The other day, someone asked me what I meant when I used the
> term 'middle-aged crazy'. Can I use you as a living example?
>
Crazy yes.... middle-aged.... er.... can you wait until I'm 65 and we'll
discuss this again?
One of the Belfagan girls, now, she has a husband - retired, I might add,
and with a heart condition - who has bought himself a shiny and enormous
motorbike and a complete set of leathers. I have tried to refrain from
commenting....
ally
Date:Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:15:57 +0100
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> Crazy yes.... middle-aged.... er.... can you wait until I'm
> 65 and we'll discuss this again?
>
> One of the Belfagan girls, now, she has a husband -
> retired, I might add, and with a heart condition - who has
> bought himself a shiny and enormous motorbike and a
> complete set of leathers. I have tried to refrain from
> commenting....
>
> ally
The mid-life crisis does not care which gender you are. Your
friend should be glad he didn't opt for the shiny new girlfriend
in leathers.
Johnny-mid-life-no-crisis
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Date:16 Jun 2005 15:29:50 -0500
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a l l y wrote:
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42b181bb$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>
>>>It was at Egremont, I think. I guess there are some folk
>>>who are just better off not dancing. I used to think I was
>>>one of them, actually, but blow me down, here I am starting
>>>to make my very own Belfagan frock so I can join the girls
>>>in the dances.... I still can't believe I'm doing this....
>>>
>>>ally
>>
>>The other day, someone asked me what I meant when I used the
>>term 'middle-aged crazy'. Can I use you as a living example?
>>
>
>
> Crazy yes.... middle-aged.... er.... can you wait until I'm 65 and we'll
> discuss this again?
>
> One of the Belfagan girls, now, she has a husband - retired, I might add,
> and with a heart condition - who has bought himself a shiny and enormous
> motorbike and a complete set of leathers. I have tried to refrain from
> commenting....
>
> ally
>
>
Oh, Ally, I've been enjoying my middle age for a few years but I'm a
long, long way off half way to 130. I am old enough to remember the
Beatles on Top of the Pops, but young enough to have been sent to bed at
8pm after my Cadbury's hot chocolate, as soon as I'd heard "Ticket to
Ride". I must beg to suggest that 65 is actually a bit far into the
stage to start thinking about being middle aged, and really time to
start thinking about using the "Senior" adjective.
Claiming 65 is middle aged is a bit like saying Glasgow is in the Borders.
Jp (still on the chronological M74 somewhere around Lockerbie.)
Date:Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:28:51 -0400
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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
>>Crazy yes.... middle-aged.... er.... can you wait until I'm
>>65 and we'll discuss this again?
>>
>>One of the Belfagan girls, now, she has a husband -
>>retired, I might add, and with a heart condition - who has
>>bought himself a shiny and enormous motorbike and a
>>complete set of leathers. I have tried to refrain from
>>commenting....
>>
>>ally
>
>
> The mid-life crisis does not care which gender you are. Your
> friend should be glad he didn't opt for the shiny new girlfriend
> in leathers.
>
> Johnny-mid-life-no-crisis
Yup, the very affluent village I live next to is full of really smart,
shiny sports convertible motorised phallic symbols, and when this naive
Keswick lass pulls up next to them at the traffic lights to check out
the driver, he is invariably grey-haired and/or balding.
Jp
Date:Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:32:36 -0400
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"Jpinny" wrote in message
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>>
>>
> Oh, Ally, I've been enjoying my middle age for a few years but I'm a long,
> long way off half way to 130. I am old enough to remember the Beatles on
> Top of the Pops, but young enough to have been sent to bed at 8pm after my
> Cadbury's hot chocolate, as soon as I'd heard "Ticket to Ride". I must beg
> to suggest that 65 is actually a bit far into the stage to start thinking
> about being middle aged, and really time to start thinking about using the
> "Senior" adjective.
>
> Claiming 65 is middle aged is a bit like saying Glasgow is in the Borders.
>
I think it's the word "middle" that offends really. Who wants to describe
themselves as "middle-class" either? Middle-aged and middle-class people
living in middle England with middle-of-the-road music. The word seems to
have taken on a meaning equivalent to "boring", "average" or something. It's
a sort of not-quite-this but not-quite-that feeling. No longer young, but
definitely not old yet. I just don't like the word. I intend to continue as
I am until I feel old, and then, overnight perhaps, I shall become old, and
that'll be that.
ally
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:57 +0100
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> I think it's the word "middle" that offends really. Who
> wants to describe themselves as "middle-class" either?
> Middle-aged and middle-class people living in middle
> England with middle-of-the-road music. The word seems to
> have taken on a meaning equivalent to "boring", "average"
> or something. It's a sort of not-quite-this but
> not-quite-that feeling. No longer young, but definitely not
> old yet. I just don't like the word. I intend to continue
> as I am until I feel old, and then, overnight perhaps, I
> shall become old, and that'll be that.
>
> ally
Middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
middle.
Johnny-middling
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Date:17 Jun 2005 08:51:35 -0500
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"a l l y" wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny" wrote in message
> news:Dzqse.27273$So7.26970@fe10.lga...
> >>
> >>
> > Oh, Ally, I've been enjoying my middle age for a few years but I'm a
long,
> > long way off half way to 130. I am old enough to remember the Beatles on
> > Top of the Pops, but young enough to have been sent to bed at 8pm after
my
> > Cadbury's hot chocolate, as soon as I'd heard "Ticket to Ride". I must
beg
> > to suggest that 65 is actually a bit far into the stage to start
thinking
> > about being middle aged, and really time to start thinking about using
the
> > "Senior" adjective.
> >
> > Claiming 65 is middle aged is a bit like saying Glasgow is in the
Borders.
> >
> I think it's the word "middle" that offends really. Who wants to describe
> themselves as "middle-class" either? Middle-aged and middle-class people
> living in middle England with middle-of-the-road music.
Dead skunks are found in the middle of the road.
Lauden
The word seems to
> have taken on a meaning equivalent to "boring", "average" or something.
It's
> a sort of not-quite-this but not-quite-that feeling. No longer young, but
> definitely not old yet. I just don't like the word. I intend to continue
as
> I am until I feel old, and then, overnight perhaps, I shall become old,
and
> that'll be that.
>
> ally
I'm not going to get old, ever. I'm just going to become a bother.
Edith looking forward to it.
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:50:57 +0200
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I think it's the word "middle" that offends really. Who
> > wants to describe themselves as "middle-class" either?
> > Middle-aged and middle-class people living in middle
> > England with middle-of-the-road music. The word seems to
> > have taken on a meaning equivalent to "boring", "average"
> > or something. It's a sort of not-quite-this but
> > not-quite-that feeling. No longer young, but definitely not
> > old yet. I just don't like the word. I intend to continue
> > as I am until I feel old, and then, overnight perhaps, I
> > shall become old, and that'll be that.
> >
> > ally
>
> Middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle, middle,
> middle.
>
> Johnny-middling
Evil bugga. You'll go downward when yer gone.
Edith Middleton.
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:56:35 +0200
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> Evil bugga. You'll go downward when yer gone.
>
> Edith Middleton.
Not me. When I go, I'm gone. Plain and simple.
Johnny-going-going...
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Date:17 Jun 2005 10:11:07 -0500
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Evil bugga. You'll go downward when yer gone.
> >
> > Edith Middleton.
>
> Not me. When I go, I'm gone. Plain and simple.
>
> Johnny-going-going...
Lol. You might just end up under the hammer. A sledge hammer.
Ooooooooooorly....will yuh have a look in't shed.
Edith Hammerslagen
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:28:09 +0200
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> Lol. You might just end up under the hammer. A sledge hammer.
>
> Ooooooooooorly....will yuh have a look in't shed.
>
> Edith Hammerslagen
I'm your sledgehammer.
Let there be no doubt about it.
Johnny-Gabriel
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Date:17 Jun 2005 12:00:33 -0500
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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Lol. You might just end up under the hammer. A sledge hammer.
> >
> > Ooooooooooorly....will yuh have a look in't shed.
> >
> > Edith Hammerslagen
>
> I'm your sledgehammer.
> Let there be no doubt about it.
>
> Johnny-Gabriel
I used to have a sledge hammer, no kidding. I left it at the big old house
when I moved. No kidding, it was nice. I'm trying to remember what i used it
for. I did walk thro the cemetary on my way home from my walk today (and
it's looking beautiful btw) but I didn't recognise any of the names on the
gravestones.
Edith wants her sledge hammer back to put on her veranda-yes.
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:36:35 +0200
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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>> Evil bugga. You'll go downward when yer gone.
Yes. I was quite offended, I was.
ally-middle-of-nowhere
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:53:49 +0100
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> I'm not going to get old, ever. I'm just going to become a bother.
Getting in lots of practice already, I see...
ally
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:54:53 +0100
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
"a l l y" wrote in message
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> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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> > I'm not going to get old, ever. I'm just going to become a bother.
>
> Getting in lots of practice already, I see...
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> ally
Rofl. Yes. Put the chip pan on.
Edith.
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:04:40 +0200
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
"a l l y" wrote in message
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> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> >> Evil bugga. You'll go downward when yer gone.
> Yes. I was quite offended, I was.
>
> ally-middle-of-nowhere
Poor lass. That fella can be so..so..so..talking about going downward,
there's this nice old fella, I keep meeting in the doorway and every time
he's just going across the road to someone's funeral. It's weird ma'an.
Edith
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:08:09 +0200
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
"The Traveller" wrote in message
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> "a l l y" wrote in message
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>> "The Traveller" wrote in message
>> news:hrBse.55838$Fe7.172639@news000.worldonline.dk...
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>> > I'm not going to get old, ever. I'm just going to become a bother.
>>
>> Getting in lots of practice already, I see...
>>
>> ally
>
> Rofl. Yes. Put the chip pan on.
>
I tried, I really did, but it kept falling off my head.
ally
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:18:25 +0100
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Re: For Fans of Lakeland Dialect
"a l l y" wrote in message
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> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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> > "a l l y" wrote in message
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> >> "The Traveller" wrote in message
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> >> > I'm not going to get old, ever. I'm just going to become a bother.
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> >> Getting in lots of practice already, I see...
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> >> ally
> >
> > Rofl. Yes. Put the chip pan on.
> >
> I tried, I really did, but it kept falling off my head.
>
> ally
Lol. It must be the shape of your head. It's square, g g g g giggle.
Naughty Edith.(- watching crime scenes. It's great when they get the
culprits.)
Date:Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:42:18 +0200
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