Just added a new gallery - enjoy.

http://www.dodgy-diy.net/electric/gallery6.htm

Interesting.

OK - so you don't like the site. I get the message. You do make some valid 
points, but are completely wrong about the reason I started the site.


> Your started this anti diy site to drum up trade, by scaring people off
> doing diy, but you're finding it so hard to find dodgy diy that you're
> making it a dodgy tradesman site instead - while still calling it dodgy
> diy.


I don't see how a small website would ever scare off people from doing DIY. 
Part "P" isn't going to, so nor is a small website. The idea of the site is 
to interest and amuse people more than anything.

The first few pictures I had were in fact DIY jobs. Therefore when I started 
the site I imagined that the main contributors would be professionals 
submitting pictures of DIY. So consequently, at the time it seemed logical 
to name the site dodgy-diy. However, it didn't turn out that way in the end. 
Currently most of what is submitted is pictures of work done by so-called 
professionals. I didn't know that was going to happen - hindsight is a 
wonderful thing.

As I said, although you clearly hate the site, I feel that you make some 
valid points. I'm open to comments and criticism and there are a couple of 
things I will do based on your comments.

Firstly, as the site has moved towards "dodgy tradesmen" as you put it, it's 
clearly right to change the titles on the site, and any text that also needs 
to be changed accordingly. I hope that I get DIY examples sent in too, but I 
will make sure the site reflects the perpetrators more accurately. The URL 
won't be changing, and I will do the work as soon as I come up with a more 
appropriate title.

Secondly, I will change the disclaimer. You are quite right to point out 
that advising people to contact a qualified tradesman when in most cases the 
bodge has been done by one is clearly daft.

I only added the disclaimer after showing the site to an American friend who 
couldn't see anything whatsoever wrong with some of the work done - he just 
had lots of admiration for them for taking on home repairs! I felt it was 
right to point out that these were examples of how NOT to do jobs.

"keith_765"  wrote in message
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>
> "David"  wrote in message
> news:nyqfe.4155$6W2.2786@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> > Interesting.
> >
> > OK - so you don't like the site. I get the message. You do make some
valid
> > points, but are completely wrong about the reason I started the site.
> >
> > > Your started this anti diy site to drum up trade, by scaring people
off
> > > doing diy, but you're finding it so hard to find dodgy diy that you're
> > > making it a dodgy tradesman site instead - while still calling it
dodgy
> > > diy.
> >
> > I don't see how a small website would ever scare off people from doing
> DIY.
> > Part "P" isn't going to, so nor is a small website. The idea of the site
> is
> > to interest and amuse people more than anything.
> >
> > The first few pictures I had were in fact DIY jobs. Therefore when I
> started
> > the site I imagined that the main contributors would be professionals
> > submitting pictures of DIY. So consequently, at the time it seemed
logical
> > to name the site dodgy-diy. However, it didn't turn out that way in the
> end.
> > Currently most of what is submitted is pictures of work done by
so-called
> > professionals. I didn't know that was going to happen - hindsight is a
> > wonderful thing.
> >
> > As I said, although you clearly hate the site, I feel that you make some
> > valid points. I'm open to comments and criticism and there are a couple
of
> > things I will do based on your comments.
> >
> > Firstly, as the site has moved towards "dodgy tradesmen" as you put it,
> it's
> > clearly right to change the titles on the site, and any text that also
> needs
> > to be changed accordingly. I hope that I get DIY examples sent in too,
but
> I
> > will make sure the site reflects the perpetrators more accurately. The
URL
> > won't be changing, and I will do the work as soon as I come up with a
more
> > appropriate title.
> >
> > Secondly, I will change the disclaimer. You are quite right to point out
> > that advising people to contact a qualified tradesman when in most cases
> the
> > bodge has been done by one is clearly daft.
> >
> > I only added the disclaimer after showing the site to an American friend
> who
> > couldn't see anything whatsoever wrong with some of the work done - he
> just
> > had lots of admiration for them for taking on home repairs! I felt it
was
> > right to point out that these were examples of how NOT to do jobs.
> >
> >
> >
> Keep up the good work on your site.  With being in the construction
> industry, I find it most amusing as well as interesting.  I have submited
> photos under the name of Tony Green as an alais. It never amazes what
> professonals get away with, even in my own trade of roof Slating & Tiling.
>
> Keith Nottm
>
>

Just corrected a spelling mistake (Sating)

"dave stanton"  wrote in message
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>
> > "Aerial coax in the same run as the power cables, not sure if this is
> > against regs, but is certainly a wonderful way of coupling impulsive
> > noise from the mains onto the TV signal."
> >
> > no its not, co-ax is used for a reason. Also theres not a whole lot on
> > the mains wires at UHF, too much capacitance everywhere.
> >
> > NT
>
> Have you looked at cheap coax lately ?. Hardly any screen and very nearly
> non woven as well. Lets lots of stuff in and out.
>
> Dave
>


And I've always wondered why data (coaxial, twisted-pair and the like) are
always kept separated in trunking and things.  Have I been doing it all
wrong all these years?  :-)

David wrote:

> Interesting.
>
> OK - so you don't like the site. I get the message. You do make some
valid
> points, but are completely wrong about the reason I started the site.


I do like some, just not the message its delivering.



> I don't see how a small website would ever scare off people from
doing DIY.
> Part "P" isn't going to, so nor is a small website.


I have to say it looks like an old well worn forumla:
1. look how scary diying is
2. im a professional, pay me and youre safe
And that message is stated on page after page: look how dodgy diy is,
followed by consult a professional. That really is my prime beef with
it.



> The idea of the site is
> to interest and amuse people more than anything.
>
> The first few pictures I had were in fact DIY jobs. Therefore when I
started
> the site I imagined that the main contributors would be professionals

> submitting pictures of DIY. So consequently, at the time it seemed
logical
> to name the site dodgy-diy. However, it didn't turn out that way in
the end.
> Currently most of what is submitted is pictures of work done by
so-called
> professionals. I didn't know that was going to happen - hindsight is
a
> wonderful thing.


OK, sounds a fair point. But as it stands I think its misleading,
representing pro bodges as dodgy diy. You could add page headings that
make it clear these are dodgy pro work not diy, I think those are
needed to avoid misleading, since the site name is dodgy diy.



> As I said, although you clearly hate the site, I feel that you make
some
> valid points. I'm open to comments and criticism and there are a
couple of
> things I will do based on your comments.
>
> Firstly, as the site has moved towards "dodgy tradesmen" as you put
it, it's
> clearly right to change the titles on the site, and any text that
also needs
> to be changed accordingly. I hope that I get DIY examples sent in
too, but I
> will make sure the site reflects the perpetrators more accurately.
The URL
> won't be changing, and I will do the work as soon as I come up with a
more
> appropriate title.
>
> Secondly, I will change the disclaimer. You are quite right to point
out
> that advising people to contact a qualified tradesman when in most
cases the
> bodge has been done by one is clearly daft.


You may need a disclaimer legally for american viewers, but maybe
recommend them to people with expertise or competent people, rather
than pro as opposed to diy? Those are 2 quite different divisions.



> I only added the disclaimer after showing the site to an American
friend who
> couldn't see anything whatsoever wrong with some of the work done -
he just
> had lots of admiration for them for taking on home repairs!


Reminds me of Mr whasthisname, the African man who built that now
famous extension :)



> I felt it was
> right to point out that these were examples of how NOT to do jobs.


Remarkable isnt it, that one needs to!


NT

I very much enjoyed looking at the pictures on your site.
I think it's amazing what people can consider to be safe.

I think your site is a great piece of light-hearted fun, and
I accept it as such.

Why do some people get so pedantic about it?

Scuzzlebut.



"David"  wrote in message 
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> Just added a new gallery - enjoy.
>
> http://www.dodgy-diy.net/electric/gallery6.htm
> 

OK, I've made changes. The URL I'm pretty well stuck with, and the slow 
webhost I'm temporarily stuck with, but the rest of your points I think I've 
addressed.

Firstly, It's now called "Dodgy Home Repairs" - sorry couldn't come up with 
anything more imaginative :( . Secondly, the title now only appears on the 
home page. Thirdly, I've reworked the text to more accurately reflect the 
perpetrators and the disclaimer has been reworded.

No new content to report, but I'm always grateful for more submissions.