The wife has been talking (idly) about converting the loft.

My concern was is it worth it. At a guess, I would have to remortgage the 
house (hopefully the value of the place has increased) just to obtain the 
funds. Looking up there the other day, mainly to see if theres room for the 
junk to be stored, I noticed that it is a fair size. We live in an end 
terrace, of which the loft has been partitioned from the neighbours (albeit 
a plasterboard and timber frame job). At either side of the loft, are two 
beams, of which come to just above my shoulders (i'm 6 foot) that run slight 
diagonally towards the end of the room.
crude plan view:


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|  \              /  |
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We have a very small bedroom which has just enough room for a single bed, so 
the plan would be to use that room as an extension to the landing adding a 
second set of stairs to go to the loft.

So theres the situation, here are my questions.

Given the cost of the project, would a loft conversion add value to the 
house (a small room is going and a larger room is being added)?
What price ranges should i expect if I call out for quotes?
Who would be better to contact - reputable builders or specialists?

any help or nudges in the right direction would be gratefully appreciated

Craig

"Craig Keightley"  wrote in message 
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> The wife has been talking (idly) about converting the loft.
>
> My concern was is it worth it. At a guess, I would have to remortgage the 
> house (hopefully the value of the place has increased) just to obtain the 
> funds. Looking up there the other day, mainly to see if theres room for 
> the junk to be stored, I noticed that it is a fair size. We live in an end 
> terrace, of which the loft has been partitioned from the neighbours 
> (albeit a plasterboard and timber frame job). At either side of the loft, 
> are two beams, of which come to just above my shoulders (i'm 6 foot) that 
> run slight diagonally towards the end of the room.
> crude plan view:
>
>
> ___________
> |\                  /|
> | \                / |
> |  \              /  |
> ___________
>
>
> We have a very small bedroom which has just enough room for a single bed, 
> so the plan would be to use that room as an extension to the landing 
> adding a second set of stairs to go to the loft.
>
> So theres the situation, here are my questions.
>
> Given the cost of the project, would a loft conversion add value to the 
> house (a small room is going and a larger room is being added)?
> What price ranges should i expect if I call out for quotes?
> Who would be better to contact - reputable builders or specialists?
>
> any help or nudges in the right direction would be gratefully appreciated
>
> Craig



I will start by saying that I am a complete newbie who is doing research for 
a bigger project.

A few things I have learnt so far: your location is important (adding a loft 
room may add substantial value to your property if you live in one part of 
the country but nothing in another part) and your number of bedrooms does 
not change so this will probably not impress an estate agent.

How many bathrooms/toilets do you currently have? If you can put an en-suite 
in the loft conversion or add a shower room or toilet in the space created 
by getting rid of the small room and adding the stairs - then this will 
probably add value.

Just my thoughts - and as I said - I am an absolute beginner, here

Tricky

"Craig Keightley"  wrote in message 
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> The wife has been talking (idly) about converting the loft.
>
> My concern was is it worth it. At a guess, I would have to remortgage the 
> house (hopefully the value of the place has increased) just to obtain the 
> funds. Looking up there the other day, mainly to see if theres room for 
> the junk to be stored, I noticed that it is a fair size. We live in an end 
> terrace, of which the loft has been partitioned from the neighbours 
> (albeit a plasterboard and timber frame job). At either side of the loft, 
> are two beams, of which come to just above my shoulders (i'm 6 foot) that 
> run slight diagonally towards the end of the room.
> crude plan view:
>
>
> ___________
> |\                  /|
> | \                / |
> |  \              /  |
> ___________
>
>
> We have a very small bedroom which has just enough room for a single bed, 
> so the plan would be to use that room as an extension to the landing 
> adding a second set of stairs to go to the loft.
>
> So theres the situation, here are my questions.
>
> Given the cost of the project, would a loft conversion add value to the 
> house (a small room is going and a larger room is being added)?
> What price ranges should i expect if I call out for quotes?
> Who would be better to contact - reputable builders or specialists?
>
> any help or nudges in the right direction would be gratefully appreciated
>
> Craig



We had a loft conversion done by a builder I have known and trusted for many 
years. My first call was to the local Planning Dept - great mistake. An 
officer came out and threw up all manner of objections. My builder could not 
understand what she was on about so he and his structural engineer submitted 
the plans and were told planning permission was not necessary. Lesson 
learned, the professionals get less BS than we ordinary mortals.
Two neighbours with similar houses (built mid-80s) had looked into the same 
idea. No 1 consulted an architect who said they would have to lose a bedroom 
to make way for the stairs and it would probably cost more than it was 
worth. Neighbour No 2 consulted a builder who said it would be necessary to 
take the roof off to get the steels in. I cannot give the cost of ours 
because we had so many other jobs done at the same time but, after seeing 
ours ,both neighbours hired the same builder and were absolutely delighted 
with the work.
Although this is a DIY ng, I would strongly recommend hiring a good builder 
who knows his craft and knows which sub-contractors to use. You can save a 
lot by doing the finishing yourself e.g. painting and fittings. Another 
point, my wife has an excellent way of visualising things and was able to 
squeeze the last inch of storage of of the project and the builder was so 
good he consulted her all the way. We are now planning a ground floor 
extension, needless to say the same builder will be back.
Sorry this went on a bit but there is a lot to consider. As to whether or 
not it will add value to the house, it wouldn't hurt to consult an estate 
agent. If you know one, a pint would be a good investment. We are confident 
that the value of our property has gone up by far more than the cost of the 
work going by the prices of similar proprties in the area. You may find 
http://www.nethouseprices.com/ useful.

Good luck, if you go ahead I hope you will be as pleased with yours as we 
are with ours.

Just to add my twopenneth. I am a builder and carry out loft conversions. In
my honest opinion I do not think they add much to the value of your house.
Any house is only worth so much because of the area. You could make your
house like Buckingham palace, but it will only sell for what the area is
worth. Saying that you should really only do major alterations because you
will benefit not because you hope it will increase your value.

As to the construction, local planning and building regulations vary from
area to area and whether you are in a conservation area or not. In my
experience I would always suggest getting a surveyor in, doing the plans and
submitting them to the council. Building regs always come into it and your
surveyor will handle all that. A good conversion properly done is not cheap.
In my area any-thing from 15,000.00 upwards.

ken

"ken"  wrote in message 
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> Just to add my twopenneth. I am a builder and carry out loft conversions. 
> In
> my honest opinion I do not think they add much to the value of your house.
> Any house is only worth so much because of the area. You could make your
> house like Buckingham palace, but it will only sell for what the area is
> worth. Saying that you should really only do major alterations because you
> will benefit not because you hope it will increase your value.
>
> As to the construction, local planning and building regulations vary from
> area to area and whether you are in a conservation area or not. In my
> experience I would always suggest getting a surveyor in, doing the plans 
> and
> submitting them to the council. Building regs always come into it and your
> surveyor will handle all that. A good conversion properly done is not 
> cheap.
> In my area any-thing from 15,000.00 upwards.
>
> ken


I agree wholeheartedly. Out conversion was done to make home life better 
after a big change in circumstances, the fact that the property has 
increased in value is a bonus. The building inspector was very thorough - 
and strict but our builder does not cut corners so all went well.

Phian

Thanks for the info to all. Just for an update, the neighbour has sold their 
house for 89,950 (they originally bought it for 30,000 over 5 years ago!!)

We paid 70,000 for ours 2 years ago, as a bargain from the brither in law - 
he added an extension and created nice size bathroom (downstairs towards the 
back of the house - the only bathroom btw) to the size of about 10 by 8 feet

So, personally, I think the price of our house may be worth more than next 
door, given the recent improvements made. I remember popping round the 
neighbours once (don't speak to them much - and all the house was decorated 
to an old fashioned taste- their extension consists of a corrugated plastic 
roof, whereas ours is a new flat roof)

I know i'm going slightly off tangent, but I'm trying to give an impression 
of the house. There is only one logical place upstairs to add a set of 
stairs to the loft, if we ever went ahead with it, and that would be to the 
box room. As you walk up, there is one door to your left and two to the 
right adjacent to each other. The first right is the second largest room, 
and the second door leads to the box room. So landing space is very limited.
I was hoping it wouldnt be as expensive as  15,000 to get the loft converted 
(i was being ultra naive and hoping no more than 5,000!!!). So it may look 
like, replastering the two main bedrooms and the living room downstairs 
instead

Thanks to all again

Craig

"Phian"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ken"  wrote in message 
> news:d496tg$9mj$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> Just to add my twopenneth. I am a builder and carry out loft conversions. 
>> In
>> my honest opinion I do not think they add much to the value of your 
>> house.
>> Any house is only worth so much because of the area. You could make your
>> house like Buckingham palace, but it will only sell for what the area is
>> worth. Saying that you should really only do major alterations because 
>> you
>> will benefit not because you hope it will increase your value.
>>
>> As to the construction, local planning and building regulations vary from
>> area to area and whether you are in a conservation area or not. In my
>> experience I would always suggest getting a surveyor in, doing the plans 
>> and
>> submitting them to the council. Building regs always come into it and 
>> your
>> surveyor will handle all that. A good conversion properly done is not 
>> cheap.
>> In my area any-thing from 15,000.00 upwards.
>>
>> ken
>
> I agree wholeheartedly. Out conversion was done to make home life better 
> after a big change in circumstances, the fact that the property has 
> increased in value is a bonus. The building inspector was very thorough - 
> and strict but our builder does not cut corners so all went well.
>
> Phian
> 

Craig Keightley wrote:


> (i was being ultra naive and hoping no more than 5,000!!!). So it may
look
> like, replastering the two main bedrooms and the living room
downstairs
> instead


They do get done for that kind of money, but thats bottom end of the
scale. One near here was done for that.


NT