http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695

Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight 

By James Tapsfield, PA 


A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may have
been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.

The victims  including a toddler  died after a BMW driven by 19-year-old
Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23 at
Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.

The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at 4.30pm on a
sunny Sunday afternoon.

Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his passengers,
17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma Smoker, from
Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from Crawley.

Three people in the Land Rover  29-year-old Kate Beasley and her 33-year-old
husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir  also died.

Marcus father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying sons hand
as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped by his legs
in the wreckage.

An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today heard that
post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of alcohol, but
more significant levels of cannabis.

Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the tests.

Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I cant comment on whether he
may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving.

Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be more
specific because cannabis persists in the system.

The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and tailgating other
cars.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
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> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may
have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by 19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23 at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at 4.30pm on
a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma Smoker,
from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying son's
hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped by his
legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today heard
that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of alcohol,
but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment on
whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be
more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and "tailgating"
other
> cars.
>

In other words he was driving in exactly the same manner as almost every
other teenage lad on the road. In other words driving as fast as possible as
often as possible. The fact the car was a reasonably powerful one combined
with his driving inexperience and being full of his friends are the obvious
primary factors but clearly those aren't worth highlighting. Much better to
mention and presumably blame it all on speculation that he may have been
smoking cannabis.

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:8u2q51hoe1ug03jjvnpgio348aqonis5kp@4ax.com...

> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may
have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by 19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23 at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at 4.30pm on
a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma Smoker,
from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying son's
hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped by his
legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today heard
that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of alcohol,
but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment on
whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be
more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and "tailgating"
other
> cars.
>

In other words he was driving in exactly the same manner as almost every
other teenage lad on the road. In other words driving as fast as possible as
often as possible. The fact the car was a reasonably powerful one combined
with his driving inexperience and being full of his friends are the obvious
primary factors but clearly those aren't worth highlighting. Much better to
mention and presumably blame it all on speculation that he may have been
smoking cannabis.

Phil Stovell wrote:

> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people
may have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by
19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23
at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at
4.30pm on a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma
Smoker, from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from
Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also
died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying
son's hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped
by his legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today
heard that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of
alcohol, but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the
tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment
on whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not
be more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and

"tailgating" other

> cars.
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.




Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
of papers a day.

Phil Stovell wrote:

> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people
may have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by
19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23
at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at
4.30pm on a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma
Smoker, from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from
Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also
died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying
son's hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped
by his legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today
heard that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of
alcohol, but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the
tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment
on whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not
be more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and

"tailgating" other

> cars.
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.




Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
of papers a day.

On 13 Apr 2005 06:59:51 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "narniakingz"
 wrote:


>Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
>of papers a day.


There isn't a conspiracy to demonize alcohol on a daily basis.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

On 13 Apr 2005 06:59:51 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "narniakingz"
 wrote:


>Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
>of papers a day.


There isn't a conspiracy to demonize alcohol on a daily basis.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

<uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>

<Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>


> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating? other
> cars.
> 


Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after 
smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other 
was the last thing I would have done .

Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see 
any of them speeding or tailgating .

While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems 
unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my 
own personal experience .

(these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a 
pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk
(krustys tv pick of the week)

<uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>

<Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>


> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating? other
> cars.
> 


Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after 
smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other 
was the last thing I would have done .

Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see 
any of them speeding or tailgating .

While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems 
unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my 
own personal experience .

(these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a 
pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk
(krustys tv pick of the week)

Sounds to me like the kid was drunk, and perhaps either still had THC
metabloites in his sytem from a previous smoking session, or maybe he smoked
that night.  Either way it was most likely a combination of booze, teenage
wildness, and just an accident which is now probably being compounded by
your garden-variety "pot is the root of all tragedy" people.

I don't know about the rest of you people, but in the instances when I have
driven stoned, I've been more cautious and I'm a much more courteous driver
(at least compared to my usual white knuckled, teeth grinding,
traffic-congested journeys.)  However, I'm not condoning driving under any
substance.. Swinging around thousands of pounds of metal isn't a game.

-st-

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:6jdq511199akjppklhcufidjihb2suflv3@4ax.com...

> On 13 Apr 2005 06:59:51 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "narniakingz"
>  wrote:
>
> >Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
> >of papers a day.
>
> There isn't a conspiracy to demonize alcohol on a daily basis.
> -- 
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

Sounds to me like the kid was drunk, and perhaps either still had THC
metabloites in his sytem from a previous smoking session, or maybe he smoked
that night.  Either way it was most likely a combination of booze, teenage
wildness, and just an accident which is now probably being compounded by
your garden-variety "pot is the root of all tragedy" people.

I don't know about the rest of you people, but in the instances when I have
driven stoned, I've been more cautious and I'm a much more courteous driver
(at least compared to my usual white knuckled, teeth grinding,
traffic-congested journeys.)  However, I'm not condoning driving under any
substance.. Swinging around thousands of pounds of metal isn't a game.

-st-

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:6jdq511199akjppklhcufidjihb2suflv3@4ax.com...

> On 13 Apr 2005 06:59:51 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "narniakingz"
>  wrote:
>
> >Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
> >of papers a day.
>
> There isn't a conspiracy to demonize alcohol on a daily basis.
> -- 
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

>17-year-old Gemma Smoker


Is that name correct???

>17-year-old Gemma Smoker


Is that name correct???

And....


>Aaron Sharpe


You sure this ain't a wind up?

And....


>Aaron Sharpe


You sure this ain't a wind up?

"Krustov" <krusty@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc76aac4c782835989e9f@news.gradwell.net...

> <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>
> 
> <Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>
>
> > The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> > accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating?
other
> > cars.
> >
>
> Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after
> smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other
> was the last thing I would have done .
>
> Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see
> any of them speeding or tailgating .
>
> While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems
> unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my
> own personal experience .
>
> (these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a
> pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)
>

It sounds to me like he was being a complete prat (anyone who drives knows
the type) and unfortunately for all concerned came unstuck. Neither cannabis
nor alcohol required, especially when you're 19, you've a car full of
friends to impress and it's a sunny Sunday afternoon. It's a tragic incident
that's got absolutely nothing to do with cannabis imho.

"Krustov" <krusty@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc76aac4c782835989e9f@news.gradwell.net...

> <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>
> 
> <Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>
>
> > The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> > accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating?
other
> > cars.
> >
>
> Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after
> smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other
> was the last thing I would have done .
>
> Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see
> any of them speeding or tailgating .
>
> While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems
> unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my
> own personal experience .
>
> (these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a
> pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)
>

It sounds to me like he was being a complete prat (anyone who drives knows
the type) and unfortunately for all concerned came unstuck. Neither cannabis
nor alcohol required, especially when you're 19, you've a car full of
friends to impress and it's a sunny Sunday afternoon. It's a tragic incident
that's got absolutely nothing to do with cannabis imho.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:19:48 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "JohnR"
 wrote:


>
>"Krustov" <krusty@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1cc76aac4c782835989e9f@news.gradwell.net...
>> <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>
>> 
>> <Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>
>>
>> > The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
>> > accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating?
>other
>> > cars.
>> >
>>
>> Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after
>> smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other
>> was the last thing I would have done .
>>
>> Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see
>> any of them speeding or tailgating .
>>
>> While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems
>> unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my
>> own personal experience .
>>
>> (these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a
>> pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)
>>
>It sounds to me like he was being a complete prat (anyone who drives knows
>the type) and unfortunately for all concerned came unstuck. Neither cannabis
>nor alcohol required, especially when you're 19, you've a car full of
>friends to impress and it's a sunny Sunday afternoon. It's a tragic incident
>that's got absolutely nothing to do with cannabis imho.


It was reported on the local TV news this evening. Cannabis didn't get
mentioned.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:19:48 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "JohnR"
 wrote:


>
>"Krustov" <krusty@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1cc76aac4c782835989e9f@news.gradwell.net...
>> <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis>
>> 
>> <Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:09:49 +0100>
>>
>> > The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
>> > accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and ?tailgating?
>other
>> > cars.
>> >
>>
>> Many years ago when I was young and foolish - I sometimes drove after
>> smoking a few joints - and travelling at high speed and tailgating other
>> was the last thing I would have done .
>>
>> Having been a passenger with other stoned drivers - never once did I see
>> any of them speeding or tailgating .
>>
>> While the crash driver could have been under the influence - it seems
>> unlikely as its not the sort of thing that stoned drivers do going by my
>> own personal experience .
>>
>> (these days i'm zero limit and wont touch the wheel even if its just a
>> pint i've had , needless to say people say i'm a boring bastard)
>>
>It sounds to me like he was being a complete prat (anyone who drives knows
>the type) and unfortunately for all concerned came unstuck. Neither cannabis
>nor alcohol required, especially when you're 19, you've a car full of
>friends to impress and it's a sunny Sunday afternoon. It's a tragic incident
>that's got absolutely nothing to do with cannabis imho.


It was reported on the local TV news this evening. Cannabis didn't get
mentioned.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

In article  phil@stovell.org.uk writes:


>A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may have
>been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.


I'm waiting for the headline "Sober Teen Kills 8 in Fiery Crash!".

The truth is that teens get in crashes more often than anyone else, whether
or not they have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.

And the other truth is that drivers who have only partaken of cannabis
products do not have accidents any more frequently than those who have not
partaken of any substance.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@seeheader.nospam)

"So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf to make an apple pie; and
 at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street pops its head into
 the shop. `What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the
 barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Grand Panjandrum
 himself, with the little round button at top, and they all fell to playing
 the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of
 their boots."
					-Samuel Foote

In article  phil@stovell.org.uk writes:


>A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may have
>been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.


I'm waiting for the headline "Sober Teen Kills 8 in Fiery Crash!".

The truth is that teens get in crashes more often than anyone else, whether
or not they have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.

And the other truth is that drivers who have only partaken of cannabis
products do not have accidents any more frequently than those who have not
partaken of any substance.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@seeheader.nospam)

"So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf to make an apple pie; and
 at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street pops its head into
 the shop. `What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the
 barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Grand Panjandrum
 himself, with the little round button at top, and they all fell to playing
 the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of
 their boots."
					-Samuel Foote

>The truth is that teens get in crashes more >often than anyone else,

whether or not they >have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.

A very close relative of mine was almost killed earlier this year by
some pratt cutting across thier path in a rush to get into a pubs car
park.

Having just left work, Pratt was in too much of a hurry to get into the
pub due to withdrawal from beer to concentrate on his driving but
passed a breath test with no tests at all made for alcohol dependancy
after the crash.

Admiting being fully in the wrong, the guy got off with a 600 pound
fine and 3 months disqualification for maiming someone for life in his
desperation for a drink..

I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptons.

>The truth is that teens get in crashes more >often than anyone else,

whether or not they >have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.

A very close relative of mine was almost killed earlier this year by
some pratt cutting across thier path in a rush to get into a pubs car
park.

Having just left work, Pratt was in too much of a hurry to get into the
pub due to withdrawal from beer to concentrate on his driving but
passed a breath test with no tests at all made for alcohol dependancy
after the crash.

Admiting being fully in the wrong, the guy got off with a 600 pound
fine and 3 months disqualification for maiming someone for life in his
desperation for a drink..

I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptons.

Speeding and tailgating??
Most stoners do not speed or tailgate only idiots or drunks on BOOZE do 
stuff like that
Sounds like an alcohol crash to me or a dumb ass teenager




>>
>>The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
> 
> the
> 
>>accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and
> 
> "tailgating" other
> 
>>cars.
>>--
>>Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>>
>>I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>>Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
> of papers a day.
> 

Speeding and tailgating??
Most stoners do not speed or tailgate only idiots or drunks on BOOZE do 
stuff like that
Sounds like an alcohol crash to me or a dumb ass teenager




>>
>>The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
> 
> the
> 
>>accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and
> 
> "tailgating" other
> 
>>cars.
>>--
>>Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>>
>>I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>>Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
> of papers a day.
> 

Phil Stovell wrote:

> Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I cant comment on whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving.
> 
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be more
> specific because cannabis persists in the system.


So he could have had traces of general anaesthetic in his system for all 
the difference it would make.

It's possible that the person's driving would have been worse had he not 
had cannabis in his system.

Phil Stovell wrote:

> Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I cant comment on whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving.
> 
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be more
> specific because cannabis persists in the system.


So he could have had traces of general anaesthetic in his system for all 
the difference it would make.

It's possible that the person's driving would have been worse had he not 
had cannabis in his system.

"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
I'm not in uk, wherever that is.

"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
I'm not in uk, wherever that is.

"AL"  wrote in message
news:115rljo4851f7ee@corp.supernews.com...

>
> "Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>
>


Untitled Kingdoms

GEM

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
wrote:


>"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
>I'm not in uk, wherever that is.


It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry limey
asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. It's
main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of the
human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.

If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to ask,
I'll be only too pleased to help.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
wrote:


>"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
>I'm not in uk, wherever that is.


It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry limey
asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. It's
main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of the
human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.

If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to ask,
I'll be only too pleased to help.
-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptoms.

What about your driving on the journey to score your Cannabis?
Was it an eager affair? I suppose the way round this is to never run out of 
nerve settling Cannabis.

Think this out, my mate took his driving test stoned on skunk. His 
methodology was, he intended to do most of his driving while stoned, so if 
he could pass his test while stoned, it would be a driving ability test 
while 'stoned' driving test...

He passed.

I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptoms.

What about your driving on the journey to score your Cannabis?
Was it an eager affair? I suppose the way round this is to never run out of 
nerve settling Cannabis.

Think this out, my mate took his driving test stoned on skunk. His 
methodology was, he intended to do most of his driving while stoned, so if 
he could pass his test while stoned, it would be a driving ability test 
while 'stoned' driving test...

He passed.

"Pass the bong"  wrote in message
news:1113427544.518963.4240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> >The truth is that teens get in crashes more >often than anyone else,
> whether or not they >have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.
>
> A very close relative of mine was almost killed earlier this year by
> some pratt cutting across thier path in a rush to get into a pubs car
> park.
>
> Having just left work, Pratt was in too much of a hurry to get into the
> pub due to withdrawal from beer to concentrate on his driving but
> passed a breath test with no tests at all made for alcohol dependancy
> after the crash.
>
> Admiting being fully in the wrong, the guy got off with a 600 pound
> fine and 3 months disqualification for maiming someone for life in his
> desperation for a drink..
>
> I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
> done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
> under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptons.


Same here.

My wife just cannot do it - she gets so cautious, she'll keep thoinking
she's speeding until she's slowed down to about 15 mph, head right over the
steering wheel, looking all around and around like an owl on meth,
heheheh...


Shaun aRe

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"

> wrote:
>
> >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of
the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.


Heheheh... heheh... heh!



You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular favourite
colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking Monday
mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known as
'Morris'.



Shaun aRe

"Pass the bong"  wrote in message
news:1113427544.518963.4240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> >The truth is that teens get in crashes more >often than anyone else,
> whether or not they >have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.
>
> A very close relative of mine was almost killed earlier this year by
> some pratt cutting across thier path in a rush to get into a pubs car
> park.
>
> Having just left work, Pratt was in too much of a hurry to get into the
> pub due to withdrawal from beer to concentrate on his driving but
> passed a breath test with no tests at all made for alcohol dependancy
> after the crash.
>
> Admiting being fully in the wrong, the guy got off with a 600 pound
> fine and 3 months disqualification for maiming someone for life in his
> desperation for a drink..
>
> I'd not condone driving under a smoke for one minute but when I have
> done so in years gone by, I have driven far more cautiously than when
> under the effects of alcohol or its withdrawal symptons.


Same here.

My wife just cannot do it - she gets so cautious, she'll keep thoinking
she's speeding until she's slowed down to about 15 mph, head right over the
steering wheel, looking all around and around like an owl on meth,
heheheh...


Shaun aRe

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"

> wrote:
>
> >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of
the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.


Heheheh... heheh... heh!



You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular favourite
colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking Monday
mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known as
'Morris'.



Shaun aRe

I'd go for dumbass teenager. Actually these are the kind of driving
behaviors, sadly, I see from a lot of ostensibly sober people on the streets
every day.

On 4/13/05 9:29 PM, in article GCj7e.48224$UW6.40063@bignews5.bellsouth.net,
"Peterpan"  wrote:


> Speeding and tailgating??
> Most stoners do not speed or tailgate only idiots or drunks on BOOZE do
> stuff like that
> Sounds like an alcohol crash to me or a dumb ass teenager
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
>> 
>> the
>> 
>>> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and
>> 
>> "tailgating" other
>> 
>>> cars.
>>> --
>>> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>>> 
>>> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>>> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
>> of papers a day.
>> 

Exactly. Now you're getting into how the media functions, which is a whole
different story.

On 4/13/05 5:23 PM, in article 425d7fb9$1@news.cadence.com, "Pete nospam
Zakel"  wrote:


> In article  phil@stovell.org.uk
> writes:
> 
>> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may have
>> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
> 
> I'm waiting for the headline "Sober Teen Kills 8 in Fiery Crash!".
> 
> The truth is that teens get in crashes more often than anyone else, whether
> or not they have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.
> 
> And the other truth is that drivers who have only partaken of cannabis
> products do not have accidents any more frequently than those who have not
> partaken of any substance.
> 
> -Pete Zakel
>  (phz@seeheader.nospam)
> 
> "So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf to make an apple pie; and
>  at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street pops its head into
>  the shop. `What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the
>  barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Grand Panjandrum
>  himself, with the little round button at top, and they all fell to playing
>  the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of
>  their boots."
> -Samuel Foote

I'd go for dumbass teenager. Actually these are the kind of driving
behaviors, sadly, I see from a lot of ostensibly sober people on the streets
every day.

On 4/13/05 9:29 PM, in article GCj7e.48224$UW6.40063@bignews5.bellsouth.net,
"Peterpan"  wrote:


> Speeding and tailgating??
> Most stoners do not speed or tailgate only idiots or drunks on BOOZE do
> stuff like that
> Sounds like an alcohol crash to me or a dumb ass teenager
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before
>> 
>> the
>> 
>>> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and
>> 
>> "tailgating" other
>> 
>>> cars.
>>> --
>>> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>>> 
>>> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>>> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Substitute pot with alcohol and this story would be seen in thousands
>> of papers a day.
>> 

Exactly. Now you're getting into how the media functions, which is a whole
different story.

On 4/13/05 5:23 PM, in article 425d7fb9$1@news.cadence.com, "Pete nospam
Zakel"  wrote:


> In article  phil@stovell.org.uk
> writes:
> 
>> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may have
>> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
> 
> I'm waiting for the headline "Sober Teen Kills 8 in Fiery Crash!".
> 
> The truth is that teens get in crashes more often than anyone else, whether
> or not they have partaken of legal or illegal drugs.
> 
> And the other truth is that drivers who have only partaken of cannabis
> products do not have accidents any more frequently than those who have not
> partaken of any substance.
> 
> -Pete Zakel
>  (phz@seeheader.nospam)
> 
> "So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf to make an apple pie; and
>  at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street pops its head into
>  the shop. `What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the
>  barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Grand Panjandrum
>  himself, with the little round button at top, and they all fell to playing
>  the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of
>  their boots."
> -Samuel Foote

"SzaszFan"  wrote in message
news:BE83DBAD.2E44%szasz@my-deja.com...

>
> I'd go for dumbass teenager. Actually these are the kind of driving
> behaviors, sadly, I see from a lot of ostensibly sober people on the
streets
> every day.


Tell me about it! I had to give up my favourite cycling route into work
because of cunts driving like that - nice country lane it was, up and over
the hill, nice scenery - it's all good in fact until you get some arsehole
in a sports hatch covered in Max Power stickers, passing you at ~60 mph only
1 foot from your damned right elbow and with nowhere on the left to move to.
Turned me into a freaking nervous wreck...



Shaun aRe - It was actually FAR safer on the busy as hell main road...

"SzaszFan"  wrote in message
news:BE83DBAD.2E44%szasz@my-deja.com...

>
> I'd go for dumbass teenager. Actually these are the kind of driving
> behaviors, sadly, I see from a lot of ostensibly sober people on the
streets
> every day.


Tell me about it! I had to give up my favourite cycling route into work
because of cunts driving like that - nice country lane it was, up and over
the hill, nice scenery - it's all good in fact until you get some arsehole
in a sports hatch covered in Max Power stickers, passing you at ~60 mph only
1 foot from your damned right elbow and with nowhere on the left to move to.
Turned me into a freaking nervous wreck...



Shaun aRe - It was actually FAR safer on the busy as hell main road...

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
> news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >
> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
> limey
> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> It's
> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of
> the
> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >
> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> ask,
> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> 
> Heheheh... heheh... heh!
> 
> You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular favourite
> colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
> dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking Monday
> mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known as
> 'Morris'.
> 
> Shaun aRe


don't forget the crappy warm beer ;^)

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Phil Stovell wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
> wrote:
> 
> >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> 
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> 
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> 
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.


thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
> news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >
> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
> limey
> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> It's
> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of
> the
> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >
> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> ask,
> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> 
> Heheheh... heheh... heh!
> 
> You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular favourite
> colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
> dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking Monday
> mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known as
> 'Morris'.
> 
> Shaun aRe


don't forget the crappy warm beer ;^)

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Phil Stovell wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
> wrote:
> 
> >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
> >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> 
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> 
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.
> --
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> 
> I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.


thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425E7B1E.35FEB661@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
> > news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
that
> > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > >
> > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> > limey
> > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> > It's
> > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
of
> > the
> > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
gross
> > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > >
> > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> > ask,
> > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> >
> > Heheheh... heheh... heh!
> >
> > You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular
favourite
> > colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
> > dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking
Monday
> > mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known
as
> > 'Morris'.
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> don't forget the crappy warm beer ;^)


What's that then?

',;~}~


Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...

> Phil Stovell wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"

> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
that
> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >
> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
limey
> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
It's
> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
of the
> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
gross
> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >
> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
ask,
> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > --
> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> >
> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>
> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
>
> b


He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~




Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425E7B1E.35FEB661@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
> > news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
that
> > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > >
> > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> > limey
> > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> > It's
> > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
of
> > the
> > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
gross
> > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > >
> > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> > ask,
> > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> >
> > Heheheh... heheh... heh!
> >
> > You forgot that it's biggest import is cold wet mud, most popular
favourite
> > colour is 'sky grey', profession with highest unemployment rate is
> > dentistry, it is named after the sound its natives make on awaking
Monday
> > mornings, and that the national dance is simply and affectionately known
as
> > 'Morris'.
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> don't forget the crappy warm beer ;^)


What's that then?

',;~}~


Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...

> Phil Stovell wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"

> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
that
> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >
> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
limey
> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
It's
> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
of the
> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
gross
> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >
> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
ask,
> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > --
> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> >
> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>
> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
>
> b


He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~




Shaun aRe

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:8u2q51hoe1ug03jjvnpgio348aqonis5kp@4ax.com...

> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may
have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by 19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23 at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at 4.30pm on
a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma Smoker,
from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying son's
hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped by his
legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today heard
that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of alcohol,
but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment on
whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be
more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and "tailgating"
other
> cars.
>

I've just read the same article in today's Times. Here's the online
article - at least they've dropped the bullshit headline.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1568043,00.html

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:8u2q51hoe1ug03jjvnpgio348aqonis5kp@4ax.com...

> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4392695
>
> Cannabis Link to Driver in Crash That Killed Eight
>
> By James Tapsfield, PA
>
>
> A teenage driver involved in a road crash that killed eight people may
have
> been smoking cannabis, an inquest heard today.
>
> The victims - including a toddler - died after a BMW driven by 19-year-old
> Mitch Treliving apparently crossed the central reservation of the A23 at
> Pyecombe, near Brighton in East Sussex last May.
>
> The BMW 3 Series smashed head on into a Land Rover Freelander at 4.30pm on
a
> sunny Sunday afternoon.
>
> Mr Treliving, from Faygate, near Horsham, was killed along with his
passengers,
> 17-year-old Danielle Billingham, from Crawley, 17-year-old Gemma Smoker,
from
> Bewbush, and Aaron Sharpe, 20, and sister Katherine, 18, from Crawley.
>
> Three people in the Land Rover - 29-year-old Kate Beasley and her
33-year-old
> husband Toby, from Godalming and two-year-old Marcus Mohabir - also died.
>
> Marcus' father Steve, 36, from Godalming, managed to hold his dying son's
hand
> as emergency services raced to the scene even though he was trapped by his
legs
> in the wreckage.
>
> An inquest into all eight deaths in Worthing, West Sussex, today heard
that
> post-mortem tests on Mr Treliving had shown only trace amounts of alcohol,
but
> more significant levels of cannabis.
>
> Dr Patricia Beresford read coroner Roger Stone the findings of the tests.
>
> "Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin. I can't comment on
whether he
> may have been under the influence of the drug prior to driving."
>
> Dr Beresford said the tests, carried out by another medic, could not be
more
> specific because cannabis "persists in the system".
>
> The inquest heard from other drivers who saw the BMW shortly before the
> accident, and said it had been travelling at high speed and "tailgating"
other
> cars.
>

I've just read the same article in today's Times. Here's the online
article - at least they've dropped the bullshit headline.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1568043,00.html

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:43:26 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
 wrote:


>
>"brian bennett"  wrote in message
>news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
>> Phil Stovell wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
>that
>> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>> >
>> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
>limey
>> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
>It's
>> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
>of the
>> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
>gross
>> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>> >
>> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
>ask,
>> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
>> > --
>> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>> >
>> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>>
>> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
>> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
>>
>> b
>
>He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~


Thanks very much! Beer accepted :-)

I was going to go on about learning cockney from Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins.


>
>
>
>
>Shaun aRe
>


-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:43:26 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
 wrote:


>
>"brian bennett"  wrote in message
>news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
>> Phil Stovell wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
>that
>> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>> >
>> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
>limey
>> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
>It's
>> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
>of the
>> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
>gross
>> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>> >
>> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
>ask,
>> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
>> > --
>> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
>> >
>> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
>> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
>>
>> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
>> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
>>
>> b
>
>He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~


Thanks very much! Beer accepted :-)

I was going to go on about learning cockney from Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins.


>
>
>
>
>Shaun aRe
>


-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
> that
> > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > >
> > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
> limey
> > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> It's
> > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
> of the
> > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> gross
> > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > >
> > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> ask,
> > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > --
> > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > >
> > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> >
> > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> >
> > b
> 
> He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> 
> Shaun aRe


truly!

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
> that
> > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > >
> > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry
> limey
> > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago.
> It's
> > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females
> of the
> > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> gross
> > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > >
> > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to
> ask,
> > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > --
> > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > >
> > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> >
> > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> >
> > b
> 
> He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> 
> Shaun aRe


truly!

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message 
news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>>there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
>>I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry 
> limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. 
> It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of 
> the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to 
> ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.
> -- 
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom


Some funny shit.

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message 
news:d66s51ts29qu6i4gi01lbru6bsvpknj5u9@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
>>there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day that
>>I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
>
> It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's sorry 
> limey
> asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years ago. 
> It's
> main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and females of 
> the
> human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's gross
> national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
>
> If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate to 
> ask,
> I'll be only too pleased to help.
> -- 
> Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom


Some funny shit.

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:3e5t51ltd0qr3nf57h7h6k93qlbi6nm322@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:43:26 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"brian bennett"  wrote in message
> >news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> >> Phil Stovell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
> >that
> >> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >> >
> >> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> >limey
> >> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
ago.
> >It's
> >> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
females
> >of the
> >> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> >gross
> >> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >> >
> >> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
to
> >ask,
> >> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> >> > --
> >> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> >> >
> >> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> >> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> >>
> >> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> >> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> >>
> >> b
> >
> >He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
>
> Thanks very much! Beer accepted :-)


De nada mon amigo!

Fuck - musta been Mexican brick or summink... <cough!>


> I was going to go on about learning cockney from Dick Van Dyke in Mary

Poppins.

I think you chose the brevity of it well - just enough to smart with the
wit-sting ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every
day
> > that
> > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > >
> > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> > limey
> > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
ago.
> > It's
> > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
females
> > of the
> > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> > gross
> > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
to
> > ask,
> > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > --
> > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > >
> > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > >
> > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > >
> > > b
> >
> > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> truly!
>
> b


I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
service depts. by now, heheheh...



Shaun aRe

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:3e5t51ltd0qr3nf57h7h6k93qlbi6nm322@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:43:26 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"brian bennett"  wrote in message
> >news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> >> Phil Stovell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> >> > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every day
> >that
> >> > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> >> >
> >> > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> >limey
> >> > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
ago.
> >It's
> >> > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
females
> >of the
> >> > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> >gross
> >> > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> >> >
> >> > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
to
> >ask,
> >> > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> >> > --
> >> > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> >> >
> >> > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> >> > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> >>
> >> thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> >> merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> >>
> >> b
> >
> >He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
>
> Thanks very much! Beer accepted :-)


De nada mon amigo!

Fuck - musta been Mexican brick or summink... <cough!>


> I was going to go on about learning cockney from Dick Van Dyke in Mary

Poppins.

I think you chose the brevity of it well - just enough to smart with the
wit-sting ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every
day
> > that
> > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > >
> > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
sorry
> > limey
> > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
ago.
> > It's
> > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
females
> > of the
> > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> > gross
> > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
to
> > ask,
> > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > --
> > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > >
> > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > >
> > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > >
> > > b
> >
> > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> truly!
>
> b


I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
service depts. by now, heheheh...



Shaun aRe

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
 wrote:


>I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
>arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
>service depts. by now, heheheh...


It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


>Shaun aRe


-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
 wrote:


>I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
>arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
>service depts. by now, heheheh...


It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


>Shaun aRe


-- 
Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom

I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:tp0v519b5712hknc3ugr0hj73hrihbq0rg@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
>
> >I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> >arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> >service depts. by now, heheheh...
>
> It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


Front page of the Daily Mirror more like LOL!

Oh - I removed any and all incriminating context from the post BTW - I
replaced all the words 'pot' and 'smoker' with 'heroine' and 'junky' and
'dealer' - HTH!


',;~}~

Shaun aRe

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message
news:tp0v519b5712hknc3ugr0hj73hrihbq0rg@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
>
> >I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> >arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> >service depts. by now, heheheh...
>
> It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


Front page of the Daily Mirror more like LOL!

Oh - I removed any and all incriminating context from the post BTW - I
replaced all the words 'pot' and 'smoker' with 'heroine' and 'junky' and
'dealer' - HTH!


',;~}~

Shaun aRe

Phil Stovell wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
> 
> >I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> >arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> >service depts. by now, heheheh...
> 
> It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


i'll see to it ;^)

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...
> > Shaun aRe wrote:
> > >
> > > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every
> day
> > > that
> > > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
> sorry
> > > limey
> > > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
> ago.
> > > It's
> > > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
> females
> > > of the
> > > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> > > gross
> > > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
> to
> > > ask,
> > > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > > >
> > > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > > >
> > > > b
> > >
> > > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> > >
> > > Shaun aRe
> >
> > truly!
> >
> > b
> 
> I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> service depts. by now, heheheh...
> 
> Shaun aRe


phil is actually a national treasure but it's proably best to keep it
secret.

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Phil Stovell wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:40:31 +0100 in alt.drugs.pot, "Shaun aRe"
>  wrote:
> 
> >I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> >arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> >service depts. by now, heheheh...
> 
> It'll be in the CIA fact book for the UK next week...


i'll see to it ;^)

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Shaun aRe wrote:

> 
> "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...
> > Shaun aRe wrote:
> > >
> > > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful every
> day
> > > that
> > > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had it's
> sorry
> > > limey
> > > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230 years
> ago.
> > > It's
> > > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
> females
> > > of the
> > > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody. It's
> > > gross
> > > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't hesitate
> to
> > > ask,
> > > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > > >
> > > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need some
> > > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > > >
> > > > b
> > >
> > > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> > >
> > > Shaun aRe
> >
> > truly!
> >
> > b
> 
> I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> service depts. by now, heheheh...
> 
> Shaun aRe


phil is actually a national treasure but it's proably best to keep it
secret.

b
-- 
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:42606327.67537958@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...
> > > Shaun aRe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > > > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > > > 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful
every
> > day
> > > > that
> > > > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had
it's
> > sorry
> > > > limey
> > > > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230
years
> > ago.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
> > females
> > > > of the
> > > > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody.
It's
> > > > gross
> > > > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't
hesitate
> > to
> > > > ask,
> > > > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need
some
> > > > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > > > >
> > > > > b
> > > >
> > > > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> > > >
> > > > Shaun aRe
> > >
> > > truly!
> > >
> > > b
> >
> > I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> > arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> > service depts. by now, heheheh...
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> phil is actually a national treasure but it's proably best to keep it
> secret.


Yeah - that's exactly what I told everybody else ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

"brian bennett"  wrote in message
news:42606327.67537958@mindspring.com...

> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > news:425EC6FA.ED22D981@mindspring.com...
> > > Shaun aRe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "brian bennett"  wrote in message
> > > > news:425E7B58.A7EB9F9@mindspring.com...
> > > > > Phil Stovell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:34:00 -0700 in alt.drugs.pot, "AL"
> > > > 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Phil Stovell"  <<<<See it
> > > > > > >there it is again, that "uk" whatever.  Again I'm thankful
every
> > day
> > > > that
> > > > > > >I'm not in uk, wherever that is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a little country to the top right of the world. It's had
it's
> > sorry
> > > > limey
> > > > > > asses saved by Merkins regularly since the world began, 230
years
> > ago.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > main language is cockney. It is composed, mostly, of males and
> > females
> > > > of the
> > > > > > human species. It has a queen, called queen bohemian rhapsody.
It's
> > > > gross
> > > > > > national product is methane. The currency is the gram sterling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you'd like some more information about uk, please don't
hesitate
> > to
> > > > ask,
> > > > > > I'll be only too pleased to help.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Phil Stovell, Hampshire, United Kingdom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not reply to usenet posts containing ad hominems.
> > > > > > Except in uk.politics.misc, of course, which is nothing but.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks phil, coffee all over the place again!  next time you need
some
> > > > > merkins to save your sorry ass, you better have glass cleaner.
> > > > >
> > > > > b
> > > >
> > > > He does come up with some class stuff doesn't he? ',;~}~
> > > >
> > > > Shaun aRe
> > >
> > > truly!
> > >
> > > b
> >
> > I even FWD'd it on to my wife a work as a good example of wits over
> > arrogance - think it's done the rounds of a few of our gubmints civil
> > service depts. by now, heheheh...
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> phil is actually a national treasure but it's proably best to keep it
> secret.


Yeah - that's exactly what I told everybody else ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

It is very sad and bad to hear about young car drivers involved in
major accidents ending their lives and those of other people.

Maybe it would be a good idea to encourage more people to wait until
they are older before they take up driving.

Until 20 or so years ago driving was less hectic, there were fewer cars
on the road and they were less powerful yet nobody ever suggests that
the times for L plate be increased. l

I have read research reports showing that well over half of young
people involved in deadly road accidents had illicits drugs (often
amphetamines) in their system.

It is very sad and bad to hear about young car drivers involved in
major accidents ending their lives and those of other people.

Maybe it would be a good idea to encourage more people to wait until
they are older before they take up driving.

Until 20 or so years ago driving was less hectic, there were fewer cars
on the road and they were less powerful yet nobody ever suggests that
the times for L plate be increased. l

I have read research reports showing that well over half of young
people involved in deadly road accidents had illicits drugs (often
amphetamines) in their system.

"kathrynP" wrote.


> It is very sad and bad to hear about young car drivers involved in
> major accidents ending their lives and those of other people.


    Reduce the victims by requiring first bicycling, then motorcycling 
until over 35 except in exceptional conditions.


> 
> Maybe it would be a good idea to encourage more people to wait until
> they are older before they take up driving.


    I think that would help obviously.


> 
> Until 20 or so years ago driving was less hectic, there were fewer cars
> on the road and they were less powerful yet nobody ever suggests that
> the times for L plate be increased. l
> 
> I have read research reports showing that well over half of young
> people involved in deadly road accidents had illicits drugs (often
> amphetamines) in their system.


    Here in the USA the killer drug is alcohol and often it is not only
in young people (too young to legally drink) but in older people who
kill younger people.  Worse than alcohol or any other drug are the number
of people driving impaired due to loss of sleep.

    later
    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--       
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

     "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
     It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
     the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
     It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

"kathrynP" wrote.


> It is very sad and bad to hear about young car drivers involved in
> major accidents ending their lives and those of other people.


    Reduce the victims by requiring first bicycling, then motorcycling 
until over 35 except in exceptional conditions.


> 
> Maybe it would be a good idea to encourage more people to wait until
> they are older before they take up driving.


    I think that would help obviously.


> 
> Until 20 or so years ago driving was less hectic, there were fewer cars
> on the road and they were less powerful yet nobody ever suggests that
> the times for L plate be increased. l
> 
> I have read research reports showing that well over half of young
> people involved in deadly road accidents had illicits drugs (often
> amphetamines) in their system.


    Here in the USA the killer drug is alcohol and often it is not only
in young people (too young to legally drink) but in older people who
kill younger people.  Worse than alcohol or any other drug are the number
of people driving impaired due to loss of sleep.

    later
    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--       
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

     "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
     It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
     the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
     It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.