For real, this time!

46m Takeover bid by W&DB

local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.

In article ,
   Chris de Cordova  wrote:


> For real, this time!

> 46m Takeover bid by W&DB

> local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956


If Jennings are talking about being taken over, who would you prefer?

A brewery with a track record of putting money into specific brands and
shipping those around the rest of its estate or a closure merchant?

Lesser of evils if you will.

-- 
Steve Pampling

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:

> In article , Chris de Cordova
>     wrote:

> > For real, this time!

> > 46m Takeover bid by W&DB

> > local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956

> If Jennings are talking about being taken over, who would you
> prefer?

> A brewery with a track record of putting money into specific brands
> and shipping those around the rest of its estate 

yeah but..
> or a closure merchant?

no but...
> Lesser of evils if you will.


yeah.....

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.

Chris de Cordova wrote:

> For real, this time!
>
> 46m Takeover bid by W&DB
>
> local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956


Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's (as in 
Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...

Brian

BrianW wrote:

> > Chris de Cordova wrote:
> > For real, this time!
> >
> > £46m Takeover bid by W&DB
> >
> > local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956
> > Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's (as in
> Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...
> > Brian


Er, less I think. For one thing Hartleys was falling to bits whereas
Jennings is pretty well-equipped and up to date. And (whisper it)
Jennings  beers are far more popular in their locality than Hartleys
beers were.

John C

In article , John C 
wrote:

> BrianW wrote:
> > 
> > Chris de Cordova wrote:
> > > For real, this time!
> > >
> > > 46m Takeover bid by W&DB
> > >
> > > local paper: www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=198956
> > 
> > Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's
> > (as in Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...
> > 
> > Brian

> Er, less I think. For one thing Hartleys was falling to bits whereas
> Jennings is pretty well-equipped and up to date. And (whisper it)
> Jennings  beers are far more popular in their locality than Hartleys
> beers were.


If you think about the "business case" for W&D Jennings represents brewing
and delivery capacity in an area that is out of their normal coverage, for
Robinsons then the other breweries close by a straight competition for
capacity.

Think about W&D and Camerons vs W&D and Mansfield (given the existence of
Marstons)

-- 
Steve Pampling

John C wrote

> BrianW wrote:
> > Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's (as in
> > Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...
> > Brian

> Er, less I think. For one thing Hartleys was falling to bits whereas
> Jennings is pretty well-equipped and up to date. And (whisper it)
> Jennings  beers are far more popular in their locality than Hartleys
> beers were.
> John C


Though if we're looking at track records - as well as keeping
Marston's alive, W&D did close Mansfield a few years ago (quite
well-equipped brewery IIRC).
cheers
MikeMcG

MikeMcG wrote:

> 
> John C wrote
> > BrianW wrote:
> > > Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's (as in
> > > Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...
> > > Brian
> 
> > Er, less I think. For one thing Hartleys was falling to bits whereas
> > Jennings is pretty well-equipped and up to date. And (whisper it)
> > Jennings  beers are far more popular in their locality than Hartleys
> > beers were.
> > John C
> 
> Though if we're looking at track records - as well as keeping
> Marston's alive, W&D did close Mansfield a few years ago (quite
> well-equipped brewery IIRC).
> cheers
> MikeMcG


Quite true - but I think that they closed Mansfield as some sort of
macho posture when they were threatened with a takeover bid. There are
lots of assurances flying around about Jennings and I am inclined to
believe them (for the next five years or so, anyway). I think it's
unlikely all the Jennings beers will survive, though (drink the Mild now
while you can!).

John C

"John C"  wrote in message 
news:425DA84B.A028229@u-net.com...

> MikeMcG wrote:
>>
>> John C wrote
>> > BrianW wrote:
>> > > Will W&D be more or less likely to close the brewery than Robinson's 
>> > > (as in
>> > > Hartleys)? Answers on a postcard please...
>> > > Brian
>>
>> > Er, less I think. For one thing Hartleys was falling to bits whereas
>> > Jennings is pretty well-equipped and up to date. And (whisper it)
>> > Jennings  beers are far more popular in their locality than Hartleys
>> > beers were.
>> > John C
>>
>> Though if we're looking at track records - as well as keeping
>> Marston's alive, W&D did close Mansfield a few years ago (quite
>> well-equipped brewery IIRC).
>> cheers
>> MikeMcG
>
> Quite true - but I think that they closed Mansfield as some sort of
> macho posture when they were threatened with a takeover bid. There are
> lots of assurances flying around about Jennings and I am inclined to
> believe them (for the next five years or so, anyway). I think it's
> unlikely all the Jennings beers will survive, though (drink the Mild now
> while you can!).


Sadly drink any mild now while you can :-(

W&D may well _say_ that they won't close Jennings, but didn't S&N say they 
wouldn't close Matthew Brown? Not that I'm equating W&D with S&N (AKA 
ampersand) god forbid!

Brian

In article <pjB7e.22306$il.15942@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, BrianW
 wrote:

> W&D may well _say_ that they won't close Jennings, but didn't S&N
> say they wouldn't close Matthew Brown? 


We are looking at mounting a similar campaign - same area - only 8
miles away!

How can I get hold of shareholders' names and addresses for direct
mailshots?

I am a shareholder myself - does it help?

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

Is reading in the bathroom considered multitasking?

Chris de Cordova wrote:


> How can I get hold of shareholders' names and addresses for direct
> mailshots?


Don't know if this will help - didn't look any further
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/toolsToHelp/findCompanyInfo.shtml

KeithS

Following on from Chris de Cordova's message. . .

>How can I get hold of shareholders' names and addresses for direct
>mailshots?

Anyone is entitled to this (for a fee  - back of my mind says 8/1000 
but don't quote me).  In the first place phone the company secretary and 
say that's what you're about and how many shareholders have they got and 
take it from there.  The legislation you need is the companies act which 
isn't as difficult as all that or a book on company law.  Don't get 
ordinary solicitors involved - IME they are worse than useless.

Also follow up "rights of minority shareholders".

-- 
PETER FOX Not the same since the bookshop idea was shelved
peterfox@eminent.demon.co.uk.not.this.bit.no.html
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
Gravity beer in Essex  <http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk>

"Chris de Cordova"  wrote in message
news:4d65fccd35decordova@ukgateway.net

> In article <pjB7e.22306$il.15942@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, BrianW
>  wrote:
>> W&D may well _say_ that they won't close Jennings, but didn't S&N
>> say they wouldn't close Matthew Brown?
>
> We are looking at mounting a similar campaign - same area - only 8
> miles away!
>
> How can I get hold of shareholders' names and addresses for direct
> mailshots?
>
> I am a shareholder myself - does it help?


Realistically, I am afraid you are pissing in the wind on that one. I 
suspect W&D know that with family interests plus the Robinson's stake they 
already have 50% in the bag.

-- 
http://www.stockportpubs.org.uk
"If a river bridge were not guarded by a parapet, the slackness of the
defaulting authority deserves the blame, not the people who fall in" -
Lieut. Col. Mervyn O'Gorman.

In article <d5dl86$c4p$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, PeterE
 wrote:

> "Chris de Cordova"  wrote in message
> news:4d65fccd35decordova@ukgateway.net
> > In article <pjB7e.22306$il.15942@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, BrianW
> >  wrote:
> >> W&D may well _say_ that they won't close Jennings, but didn't S&N say
> >> they wouldn't close Matthew Brown?
> >
> > We are looking at mounting a similar campaign - same area - only 8
> > miles away!
> >
> > How can I get hold of shareholders' names and addresses for direct
> > mailshots?
> >
> > I am a shareholder myself - does it help?

> Realistically, I am afraid you are pissing in the wind on that one. I
> suspect W&D know that with family interests plus the Robinson's stake
> they already have 50% in the bag.


Hmmm, I thought the directors shareholding was actually less than the CAMRA
investments holding. Maybe that was misinformation.

-- 
Steve Pampling