Sorry to do this via the ng but I can't find your email address.

A little while ago you said you'd had a talk from the Cask Marque rep.
Would you be able to pass me his/her details on?  I was wondering if we
could get them to do something similar in Lancaster.

N.B.: Don't use the loobynet address, as it's got a vicious spamtrap which
attacks first-timers, even when it's unmunged.  If you could use
cliff dot laine at tiscali dot co dot uk

Many thanks

-- 
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Can I remind folks that to save non-CAMRA members getting bored by internal 
discussions, there are a number of CAMRA mailing lists set up for this 
purpose!

As below:

A new mailing list "CAMRABRANCHES" has been set up for the discussion of
matters relating to active CAMRA members. Postings on matters ranging from
membership, GBG selection, general campaigning plus many other topics are
encouraged.

To join send a blank email to
camrabranches-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk
or go to
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/camrabranches


A mailing list for beer festival organisers "CAMRABF" has existed for some
months.

To join send a blank email to
camrabf-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk
or go to
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/camrabf

Both lists are only available to CAMRA members



-- 

Brett

In message <4252d6aa$0$63416$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, 
Brett...  wrote

>Can I remind folks that to save non-CAMRA members getting bored by internal
>discussions, there are a number of CAMRA mailing lists set up for this
>purpose!
>
>As below:
>
>A new mailing list "CAMRABRANCHES" has been set up for the discussion of
>matters relating to active CAMRA members. Postings on matters ranging from
>membership, GBG selection, general campaigning plus many other topics are
>encouraged.
>
>To join send a blank email to
>camrabranches-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk
>or go to
>http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/camrabranches
>


Which appears not to be open to all CAMRA members. My application was 
refused - and the refusal decision is 'FINAL'.
-- 
Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Alan wrote:

> In message <4252d6aa$0$63416$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
> Brett...  wrote
>> Can I remind folks that to save non-CAMRA members getting bored by
>> internal discussions, there are a number of CAMRA mailing lists set
>> up for this purpose!
>>
>> As below:
>>
>> A new mailing list "CAMRABRANCHES" has been set up for the
>> discussion of matters relating to active CAMRA members. Postings on
>> matters ranging from membership, GBG selection, general campaigning
>> plus many other topics are encouraged.
>>
>> To join send a blank email to
>> camrabranches-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk
>> or go to
>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/camrabranches
>>
>
> Which appears not to be open to all CAMRA members. My application was
> refused - and the refusal decision is 'FINAL'.


Don't get paranoid Alan!

This can happen if you fail to provide the information requested - ie your 
membership number!
The reject email tells you what to do in those circumstances, ie drop an 
email to me.

Please email me the communication that says anything about a "refusal 
decision is 'FINAL'"


-- 

Brett

In message <42554774$0$27833$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, 
Brett...  wrote



>
>Don't get paranoid Alan!


Why am I paranoid if I say that my application was rejected?


>This can happen if you fail to provide the information requested - ie your
>membership number!


I responded to the auto-email with my membership number and then a few 
days later got the rejection message.


>The reject email tells you what to do in those circumstances, ie drop an
>email to me.


Why try again if the email implies that a decision has been made about 
membership?


>
>Please email me the communication that says anything about a "refusal
>decision is 'FINAL'"


It was deleted shortly after being read.
-- 
Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Alan wrote:

> In message <42554774$0$27833$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
> Brett...  wrote
>
>
>>
>> Don't get paranoid Alan!
>
> Why am I paranoid if I say that my application was rejected?
>
>> This can happen if you fail to provide the information requested -
>> ie your membership number!
>
> I responded to the auto-email with my membership number and then a few
> days later got the rejection message.
>
>> The reject email tells you what to do in those circumstances, ie
>> drop an email to me.
>
> Why try again if the email implies that a decision has been made about
> membership?
>
>>
>> Please email me the communication that says anything about a "refusal
>> decision is 'FINAL'"
>
> It was deleted shortly after being read.


Alan
For the record, I maintain the list to which you refer.
When you join, you are asked to provide your CAMRA membership number.
If you fail to do so, you get a automated email asking you to resubscribe 
providing the information requested.
In other words THERE IS NO SUCH EMAIL STATING that refusal is "final".

Like others, I am starting to wonder what your real agenda is.

-- 

Brett

In message <4256547e$0$42290$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, 
Brett...  wrote


>In other words THERE IS NO SUCH EMAIL STATING that refusal is "final".


I disagree but can no longer prove it as I deleted the email soon after 
I read it..


>
>Like others, I am starting to wonder what your real agenda is.
>


I was trying to join an official mailing list run by CAMRA - but if it's 
this much hassle it not worth the effort.
-- 
Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Alan wrote:

> In message <4256547e$0$42290$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
> Brett...  wrote
>
>> In other words THERE IS NO SUCH EMAIL STATING that refusal is
>> "final".
>
> I disagree but can no longer prove it as I deleted the email soon
> after I read it..
>
>>
>> Like others, I am starting to wonder what your real agenda is.
>>
>
> I was trying to join an official mailing list run by CAMRA -


And yet you fail to carry out the simple instructions explaining how to do 
so.
Strewth - you really make it hard for yourself.
DID YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO SEND YOU CAMRA MEMBERSHIP NUMBER?



> but if it's this much hassle it not worth the effort.


How on earth is providing your membership number an effort?


-- 

Brett

In message <4256b41c$0$63426$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, 
Brett...  wrote


>Strewth - you really make it hard for yourself.
>DID YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO SEND YOU CAMRA MEMBERSHIP NUMBER?



<Quote>
I responded to the auto-email with my membership number and then a few 
days later got the rejection message.
</Quote>:

-- 
Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Alan wrote:

> In message <4256b41c$0$63426$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
> Brett...  wrote
>
>> Strewth - you really make it hard for yourself.
>> DID YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO SEND YOU CAMRA MEMBERSHIP NUMBER?
>
>
> <Quote>
> I responded to the auto-email with my membership number and then a few
> days later got the rejection message.
> </Quote>:


This is the rejection message as automatically sent out:

**********

Your request to join the CAMRABRANCHES mailing list has been rejected as we 
are unable to ascertain if you are CAMRA member.

If you would like send an email to <snip> with the required information and 
requesting to join again, we can process your request efficiently.

***********

Please show me where the word final appears above?

Since January 21st 2005 only one person's membership application has been 
rejected - the user like you failed to supply an email address. However that 
user's email did not end in "amacleod.clara.co.uk"

To what email address did you send your membership number?

What email address did you attempt to subscribe with?

Please feel free to supply me this information by email.

-- 

Brett

In article <42578281$0$27838$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
   Brett...  wrote:

[Snip]


> To what email address did you send your membership number?

> What email address did you attempt to subscribe with?

> Please feel free to supply me this information by email.



Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it is
nothing to do with real ale.

Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are discussing!


:

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

In article ,
   Chris de Cordova  wrote:

> In article <42578281$0$27838$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
>    Brett...  wrote:

> [Snip]

> > To what email address did you send your membership number?

> > What email address did you attempt to subscribe with?

> > Please feel free to supply me this information by email.


> Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it is
> nothing to do with real ale.

> Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are discussing!


You mean the one that Alan says he can't access, and therefore would see
anything about accessing?
Catch 22?



> :


-- 
Steve Pampling

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:

> In article , Chris de Cordova
>     wrote:
> > In article
> >    <42578281$0$27838$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
> >    Brett...  wrote:

> > [Snip]

> > > To what email address did you send your membership number?

> > > What email address did you attempt to subscribe with?

> > > Please feel free to supply me this information by email.


> > Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it
> > is nothing to do with real ale.

> > Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are
> > discussing!

> You mean the one that Alan says he can't access, and therefore
> would see anything about accessing? Catch 22?


Yup!

> > :


....^^^.......

;o)

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

Chris de Cordova wrote:


>
> Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it is
> nothing to do with real ale.
>
> Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are discussing!
>


Difficult as Alan has accused me of rejecting his application despite the 
logs for the list which so that is completely untrue.

Perhaps you can provide Alan with the information he needs to get on the 
mailing list in question?
Maybe you'll have better luck than me.


-- 

Brett

In article <4257dc19$0$63413$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
   Brett...  wrote:

> Chris de Cordova wrote:

> >
> > Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it
> > is nothing to do with real ale.
> >
> > Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are
> > discussing!
> >

you snipped this ....

:



> Difficult as Alan has accused me of rejecting his application
> despite the logs for the list which so that is completely untrue.

> Perhaps you can provide Alan with the information he needs to get
> on the mailing list in question? Maybe you'll have better luck than
> me.


Doesn't anyone on here have a sense of humour?

or irony?

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:

> In article , Chris de Cordova
>     wrote:
> > In article
> >    <42578281$0$27838$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
> >    Brett...  wrote:

> > [Snip]

> > > To what email address did you send your membership number?

> > > What email address did you attempt to subscribe with?

> > > Please feel free to supply me this information by email.


> > Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it
> > is nothing to do with real ale.

> > Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are
> > discussing!

> You mean the one that Alan says he can't access, and therefore
> would see anything about accessing? Catch 22?


> > :



Doesn't anyone here have sense of humour?

or irony?

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

In article ,
   Chris de Cordova  wrote:

> In article , Steven Pampling
>  wrote:

[Snip]

> > You mean the one that Alan says he can't access, and therefore
> > would see anything about accessing? Catch 22?


> > > :


> Doesn't anyone here have sense of humour?

> or irony?


I thought Catch 22 was the ultimate irony. Oh, well stick to computers
rather than humour Steven.

-- 
Steve Pampling

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:

> In article , Chris de Cordova
>     wrote:
> > In article , Steven
> > Pampling  wrote:

> [Snip]

> > > You mean the one that Alan says he can't access, and therefore
> > > would see anything about accessing? Catch 22?


> > > > :


> > Doesn't anyone here have sense of humour?

> > or irony?

> I thought Catch 22 was the ultimate irony. 


That's what I was implying in the first place when I suggested Brett
take it to an appropriate newsgroup.........

bleugh

:o(

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain.

In article , Steven Pampling
 wrote:

[Snip]


> I thought Catch 22 was the ultimate irony. Oh, well stick to
> computers rather than humour Steven.


Why would anyone want to humour Steven?
;o)


Actually, I've just noticed that someone (Brett?) changed the thread
topic to 'mailing lists' although they are still threading in 'FAO
Chris de Cordova'.

That's why I said the content was Fred Drifting OT, anyway.

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

Chris de Cordova wrote:

> In article <4257dc19$0$63413$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
>   Brett...  wrote:
>> Chris de Cordova wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Brett, this discussion is not only fred drifted and off topic, it
>>> is nothing to do with real ale.
>>>
>>> Please take it for discussion on the mailing list you are
>>> discussing!
>>>
> you snipped this ....
>
>> 
>
>
>> Difficult as Alan has accused me of rejecting his application
>> despite the logs for the list which so that is completely untrue.
>
>> Perhaps you can provide Alan with the information he needs to get
>> on the mailing list in question? Maybe you'll have better luck than
>> me.
>
> Doesn't anyone on here have a sense of humour?
>


Calm down Chris, it's only a newsgroup!

-- 

Brett

Chris de Cordova wrote:

>
> Actually, I've just noticed that someone (Brett?) changed the thread
> topic to 'mailing lists' although they are still threading in 'FAO
> Chris de Cordova'.
>


I changed the Subject line but I think the way it gets threaded is a 
function of your newsreader?

-- 

Brett

In article ,
   Chris de Cordova  wrote:


> Why would anyone want to humour Steven?
> ;o)

Dunno.
They do at work though.
Keep reasonably happy.
In case of emergency: "break glass and throw at problem".
(Supply lots of coffee, and occasional chocolate biscuit.)

-- 
Steve Pampling

In article <4258cb07$0$94505$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>,
   Brett...  wrote:

> Chris de Cordova wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I've just noticed that someone (Brett?) changed the
 >  thread
> > topic to 'mailing lists' although they are still threading in
> > 'FAO Chris de Cordova'.
> >

> I changed the Subject line but I think the way it gets threaded is
> a function of your newsreader?


Or incorrectly by yours, as the case may be!

;o)

-- 
Chris de Cordova (West Cumbria & Western Lakes) www.cumbriacamra.org.uk
Whitehaven Beer Festival: Sept 30th & Oct 1st 2005 (www.whitehavenbeerfestival.co.uk)

The colder the X-ray table, the more of your body is required on it.