d11111 on the small business site.

Dimension 1100
Celeron 2.53GHz
512Mb
80GB

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9

Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !

-- 
Mike

Mike Redrobe wrote:

> d11111 on the small business site.
>
> Dimension 1100
> Celeron 2.53GHz
> 512Mb
> 80GB
>
> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9


Your direct link wasn't working , but the offer is valid if you go direct to 
the dell site.

No monitor but for basic home use it's more than capable of doing the job


-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

> Mike Redrobe wrote:
>> d11111 on the small business site.
>>
>> Dimension 1100
>> Celeron 2.53GHz
>> 512Mb
>> 80GB
>>
>> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>
> Your direct link wasn't working , but the offer is valid if you go
> direct to the dell site.


goto dell.co.uk
press small business
press shop by evalue code
enter 305 D11111

then change support to 90 day c&r

-- 
Mike

Mike Redrobe wrote:

> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> > Mike Redrobe wrote:
> > > d11111 on the small business site.
> > >
> > > Dimension 1100
> > > Celeron 2.53GHz
> > > 512Mb
> > > 80GB
> > >
> > > http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
> >
> > Your direct link wasn't working , but the offer is valid if you go
> > direct to the dell site.
>
> goto dell.co.uk
> press small business
> press shop by evalue code
> enter 305 D11111
>
> then change support to 90 day c&r


Nice one.

It's a long time since I've seen this discussed and can't remember any 
conclusions. What is the difference to an ordinary consumer if they order 
through small business section? Are any consumer rights lost etc?

"Bigbird"  wrote in message
news:djqi22$esr$1@news.freedom2surf.net...

>
>
> Mike Redrobe wrote:
> > Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> > > Mike Redrobe wrote:
> > > > d11111 on the small business site.
> > > >
> > > > Dimension 1100
> > > > Celeron 2.53GHz
> > > > 512Mb
> > > > 80GB
> > > >
> > > >

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9

> > >
> > > Your direct link wasn't working , but the offer is valid if you go
> > > direct to the dell site.
> >
> > goto dell.co.uk
> > press small business
> > press shop by evalue code
> > enter 305 D11111
> >
> > then change support to 90 day c&r
>
> Nice one.
>
> It's a long time since I've seen this discussed and can't remember any
> conclusions. What is the difference to an ordinary consumer if they order
> through small business section? Are any consumer rights lost etc?
>

SB orders seem to elicit a lot more junk mail.

Bigbird wrote:

>
> It's a long time since I've seen this discussed and can't remember any
> conclusions. What is the difference to an ordinary consumer if they
> order through small business section? Are any consumer rights lost
> etc?


Yes, you lose your DSR rights,
i.e you can no longer "try before you buy" and return for a refund
at their cost within 28 days

The DSR only applies business->consumer, not b2b.

Other than that, no real difference.

-- 
Mike

Mike Redrobe wrote:

> Bigbird wrote:
>>
>> It's a long time since I've seen this discussed and can't remember
>> any conclusions. What is the difference to an ordinary consumer if
>> they order through small business section? Are any consumer rights
>> lost etc?
>
> Yes, you lose your DSR rights,
> i.e you can no longer "try before you buy" and return for a refund
> at their cost within 28 days
>
> The DSR only applies business->consumer, not b2b.
>

It doesn't actually require you to be a business to order though , so as 
lons as you can prove that you are a private consumer surely the DSR still 
applies (not that I'd want to take it back)

-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

Thanks to the OP - put in the 2.8Ghz processor for 20 and the lot comes to 
less than 200. Already got a screen; already got a DVD writer in my "old" 
PC, so a good result all round.

Thanks again;

Tim Limited

"Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
news:E548f.138716$G8.122920@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Bigbird wrote:
>>
>> It's a long time since I've seen this discussed and can't remember any
>> conclusions. What is the difference to an ordinary consumer if they
>> order through small business section? Are any consumer rights lost
>> etc?
>
> Yes, you lose your DSR rights,
> i.e you can no longer "try before you buy" and return for a refund
> at their cost within 28 days
>
> The DSR only applies business->consumer, not b2b.
>
> Other than that, no real difference.


Is the price you quoted subject to VAT?

Regards
tox

Nope, £149  VAT inc. Delivery. I just ordered 2 and have confirmed
order numbers already.

Costs me over £150 to put 2 tanks of petrol in my car!!

Has this MB got a AGP slot?
Is it worth upgrading the graphic card to play decent games
or will the CPU bottleneck it?

I was thinking along the lines of a RADEON 9800Pro

Thx in advance

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:18:56 +0100, "Cookie"  wrote:


>Has this MB got a AGP slot?
>Is it worth upgrading the graphic card to play decent games
>or will the CPU bottleneck it?
>
>I was thinking along the lines of a RADEON 9800Pro


Afaik they have 3 pci slots and no agp slot.

Cookie wrote:

> Has this MB got a AGP slot?
> Is it worth upgrading the graphic card to play decent games
> or will the CPU bottleneck it?
>
> I was thinking along the lines of a RADEON 9800Pro
>

Nope , no AGP slot , and not really a fast enough processor for games anyway

-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:3scc4jFnm22kU1@individual.net...

> Cookie wrote:
>> Has this MB got a AGP slot?
>> Is it worth upgrading the graphic card to play decent games
>> or will the CPU bottleneck it?
>>
>> I was thinking along the lines of a RADEON 9800Pro
>>
> Nope , no AGP slot , and not really a fast enough processor for games 
> anyway
>
> -- 
> Alex
>
> Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
> Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"
>
> www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk
>

Ah well, would it be worth replacing the mb? ;-)

Thx for the replys guys

In article , test@test.com 
says...

> 
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:3scc4jFnm22kU1@individual.net...
> > Cookie wrote:
> >> Has this MB got a AGP slot?
> >> Is it worth upgrading the graphic card to play decent games
> >> or will the CPU bottleneck it?
> >>
> >> I was thinking along the lines of a RADEON 9800Pro
> >>
> > Nope , no AGP slot , and not really a fast enough processor for games 
> > anyway
> >
> > -- 
> > Alex
> >
> > Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
> > Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"
> >
> > www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk
> >
> Ah well, would it be worth replacing the mb? ;-)
> 

Then finding that Dell use non-standard everything, and you might as 
well start from scratch  :-)  I know, they're not as bad as they used to 
be ...

"Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> d11111 on the small business site.
>
> Dimension 1100
> Celeron 2.53GHz
> 512Mb
> 80GB
>
> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>
> Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !
>
> -- 
> Mike
>

You posted the wrong link, but as you get no monitor, DVD drive etc, you 
could build it yourself.  A 2.53GHz Celeron isn't exactly fast, so don't use 
it for music, or even video applications.

"Pikey"  wrote in message 
news:29167$4360da66$c3a6c81b$27331@gibnet.gi...

> Thanks to the OP - put in the 2.8Ghz processor for 20 and the lot comes 
> to less than 200. Already got a screen; already got a DVD writer in my 
> "old" PC, so a good result all round.
>
> Thanks again;
>
> Tim Limited
>

Why not just buy a decent motherboard and CPU for your old case and use the 
existing bits and pieces.  Save yourself a fortune.
You can get decent Athlon 3GHz processors or a 3GHz P4.
Don't just buy it because it appears "cheap", look about first.

mark wrote:

> "Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
> news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> 
>>d11111 on the small business site.
>>
>>Dimension 1100
>>Celeron 2.53GHz
>>512Mb
>>80GB
>>
>>http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>>
>>Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !
>>
>>-- 
>>Mike
>>
> 
> You posted the wrong link, but as you get no monitor, DVD drive etc, you 
> could build it yourself.  A 2.53GHz Celeron isn't exactly fast, so don't use 
> it for music, or even video applications.
> 
> 

although it's faster than, say, the fastest money could buy a few years 
ago, and people *did* do music and video editing on those systems...

>> You posted the wrong link, but as you get no monitor, DVD drive etc, you 
>> could build it yourself.  A 2.53GHz Celeron isn't exactly fast, so don't 
>> use it for music, or even video applications.
>>
>>
> although it's faster than, say, the fastest money could buy a few years 
> ago, and people *did* do music and video editing on those systems...


I seem to be able to get more out a 900mhz Duron than some people can get 
out of 2.* Celeron :-)

Trebor

> I seem to be able to get more out a 900mhz Duron than some people can get 
> out of 2.* Celeron :-)


I`ll go along with that line of thinking - I ran an old program called 
Super Pi (works out the value of pi to several million places) and 
compared my aging AMD Athlon XP2000 (1.6Ghz) to my wifes' newer 2.4Ghz 
Celery Dell.

My machine *trounced* the Dell by a factor of about 2 (i.e. my "old" CPU 
was twice as fast at chucking the data around) - despite me still using 
SDRAM rather than DDR.

Bear in mind this program was written back in win3.xx days, and you`ll 
realise it isn`t tailored to take advantage of more specialised 
instruction sets like SSE or SSE2, it just plods along using generic 
code.

Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.

Colin Wilson wrote:

> > I seem to be able to get more out a 900mhz Duron than some people
> > can get out of 2.* Celeron :-)
>
> I`ll go along with that line of thinking - I ran an old program called
> Super Pi (works out the value of pi to several million places) and
> compared my aging AMD Athlon XP2000 (1.6Ghz) to my wifes' newer 2.4Ghz
> Celery Dell.
>
> My machine *trounced* the Dell by a factor of about 2 (i.e. my "old"
> CPU was twice as fast at chucking the data around) - despite me still
> using SDRAM rather than DDR.
>
> Bear in mind this program was written back in win3.xx days, and you`ll
> realise it isn`t tailored to take advantage of more specialised
> instruction sets like SSE or SSE2, it just plods along using generic
> code.
>
> Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.


....and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in 
comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was noting how a 
2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in, coincidentally, an 
mp3 encoding test.

I suppose it may be application dependent but it's hard to know what to 
believe.

I don't suppose ther could be a bottleneck you are unaware of?

However, in the main I find generalisations like marks well worth ignoring.

> ...and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in 
> comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was noting how a 
> 2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in, coincidentally, an 
> mp3 encoding test.


Intel chips have traditionally had a better maths unit in them, but for 
general computational clout they seem to lag behind AMD - especially the 
cheaper Celerons. AMD chips do more instructions per cycle than the 
Intel line, so although the "headline" speed may be higher for Intel, 
the actual productivity rate is often better on an AMD for non-maths-
intensive work.

You'll note Intel try to make use of this to skew benchmarks in their 
favour - they push encoding mp3 or video as far as possible because 
that's often the only place they have an advantage.

Ric wrote:

> 
> mark wrote:
> > "Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message
> > news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> >>d11111 on the small business site.
> >>
> >>Dimension 1100
> >>Celeron 2.53GHz
> >>512Mb
> >>80GB
> >>
> >>http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
> >>
> >>Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !
> >>
> >>--
> >>Mike
> >>
> >
> > You posted the wrong link, but as you get no monitor, DVD drive etc, you
> > could build it yourself.  A 2.53GHz Celeron isn't exactly fast, so don't use
> > it for music, or even video applications.
> >
> >
> although it's faster than, say, the fastest money could buy a few years
> ago, and people *did* do music and video editing on those systems...


Quite true. My 450MHz PIII laptop is more than capable of music and video.

hey i still have a 133Mhz and a Celeron 1400 (1.2Mhz)  it plays music and
video no problem.

Even watch DVD's, even good at photo editing.......... personally i wouldnt
buy it for myself but im sure its a good system for someone who prefer a
branded name.

-- 

Electrical Kettle instant hot water (home, office)

Platinums.co.uk - or remember this
Kettle.us.com
---------------------------------------------------------------- 

"mark"  wrote in message
news:iB88f.8976$Jl3.8008@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...

>
> "Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message
> news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > d11111 on the small business site.
> >
> > Dimension 1100
> > Celeron 2.53GHz
> > 512Mb
> > 80GB
> >
> >

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9

> >
> > Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered
!
> >
> > -- 
> > Mike
> >
> You posted the wrong link, but as you get no monitor, DVD drive etc, you
> could build it yourself.  A 2.53GHz Celeron isn't exactly fast, so don't
use
> it for music, or even video applications.
>
>

My trusty Athalon 1600 and 512 SDRAM is working fine, even my old old
Pentium 133 with 512 SDRAM is working along side.  I really dont need
another computer, really is there any need???

-- 

Electrical Kettle instant hot water (home, office)

Platinums.co.uk - or remember this
Kettle.us.com
---------------------------------------------------------------- 

"Colin Wilson"  wrote in message
news:MPG.1dcb705fca80a2d898968d@news.individual.net...

> > I seem to be able to get more out a 900mhz Duron than some people can
get
> > out of 2.* Celeron :-)
>
> I`ll go along with that line of thinking - I ran an old program called
> Super Pi (works out the value of pi to several million places) and
> compared my aging AMD Athlon XP2000 (1.6Ghz) to my wifes' newer 2.4Ghz
> Celery Dell.
>
> My machine *trounced* the Dell by a factor of about 2 (i.e. my "old" CPU
> was twice as fast at chucking the data around) - despite me still using
> SDRAM rather than DDR.
>
> Bear in mind this program was written back in win3.xx days, and you`ll
> realise it isn`t tailored to take advantage of more specialised
> instruction sets like SSE or SSE2, it just plods along using generic
> code.
>
> Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.

"Colin Wilson"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1dcb845a55cf4877989690@news.individual.net...

>> ...and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in
>> comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was noting how 
>> a
>> 2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in, coincidentally, an
>> mp3 encoding test.
>
> Intel chips have traditionally had a better maths unit in them, but for
> general computational clout they seem to lag behind AMD - especially the
> cheaper Celerons. AMD chips do more instructions per cycle than the
> Intel line, so although the "headline" speed may be higher for Intel,
> the actual productivity rate is often better on an AMD for non-maths-
> intensive work.
>
> You'll note Intel try to make use of this to skew benchmarks in their
> favour - they push encoding mp3 or video as far as possible because
> that's often the only place they have an advantage.


The reality is that encoding mp3s and video are probably the only 
applications where the user will notice the difference anyway.
Unless you play high end game that is and even then the graphics card makes 
more difference.
Even the slowest 1G P3 is fast enough for most other things.

mark wrote:

> Why not just buy a decent motherboard and CPU for your old case and use the
> existing bits and pieces.  Save yourself a fortune.
> You can get decent Athlon 3GHz processors or a 3GHz P4.
> Don't just buy it because it appears "cheap", look about first.


Quite agree - and last year I did just that, and my home PC absolutely
flies for an outlay of around £300. But the kit in the existing case
of my work PC is all about 4 years old now; I've already extended the
life by shoving in a gigabyte of Ram and an Athlon XP 2200 (which was
the fastest that would fit); and there are still lots of times where I
seem to be processing at a snail's pace. The limiting factor here is
the speed of my elderley hard disk, graphics card and so on. This way,
I get a licensed copy of XP (ahem) and kit that should all run at a
speed that matches the processor and ram. I got one of the £186 Dell's
last year, and as a workstation, it's proved ideal. 

Tim

"Bigbird"  wrote in message 
news:djrqmh$to1$1@news.freedom2surf.net...

> Colin Wilson wrote:

>>
>> Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.
>
> ...and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in 
> comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was noting how 
> a 2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in, coincidentally, 
> an mp3 encoding test.


That's bullshit, where did you read a celeron could beat a P4?  Celerons are 
the worst processors you can buy.

Rex Harrison wrote:

> "Bigbird"  wrote in message
> news:djrqmh$to1$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.
>>
>> ...and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in
>> comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was
>> noting how a 2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in,
>> coincidentally, an mp3 encoding test.
>
> That's bullshit, where did you read a celeron could beat a P4? Celerons 
> are the worst processors you can buy.


He doesn't say that they beat a P4 , just that they are better than they 
used to be which is true.

Celerons aren't stunning but we are talking about a 175 quid complete PC 
including a legitimate OS and they are perfectly good in that context

-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

Rex Harrison wrote:

> "Bigbird"  wrote in message
> news:djrqmh$to1$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> > Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Celerons really aren`t impressive at all in my experience.
> >
> > ...and I have recently been reading how much better they are now, in
> > comparison to similarly clocked P4s and just earlier today was
> > noting how a 2GHz Celeron was benchmarked better than my XP2100 in,
> > coincidentally, an mp3 encoding test.
>
> That's bullshit, where did you read a celeron could beat a P4?


Where did you read it? Anyone reading such a thing would surely believe they 
were mistaken, except you. ;)


> Celerons are the worst processors you can buy.


Are you sure? you can buy both a PIII 1.4 or a Celeron 3.06 at half the 
price but you prefer the PIII? Well it's your money.

To illustrate what you missed, a P4 2.8 may have a 20% advantage over 
Celeron 2.8 but a PIII 1.2 may have a 30% advantage over a Celeron 1.2.

When it comes to music and video encoding where the advantage between later 
models may be around 0% and 20% respectively and then take into account the 
price premium then the Celeron really does seem worth considering and marks 
and your generalisations don't look so well informed.

Of course you must consider that "performance is relative" and "performance 
is application specific" before making a decision also that the CPU may not 
be the bottleneck in many ill configured systems.

I have a couple of friends who are very happy with their P4 from Dell that 
many of us picked up for 165 some time ago but when I looked at  the 
performance I noted the 256MB ram created such a bottleneck that most of the 
time it may aswell be a much lower clock speed Celeron.

I for instance have no interest in Celerons for myself but know plenty of 
users for whom they are the true vfm option.

"Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> d11111 on the small business site.
>
> Dimension 1100
> Celeron 2.53GHz
> 512Mb
> 80GB
>
> http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>
> Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !
>
> -- 
> Mike


Free delivery  no more!    232.65  :-(

Cookie wrote:

> "Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
> news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> 
>>d11111 on the small business site.
>>
>>Dimension 1100
>>Celeron 2.53GHz
>>512Mb
>>80GB
>>
>>http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>>
>>Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered !
>>
>>-- 
>>Mike
> 
> 
> Free delivery  no more!    232.65  :-( 
> 
> 

Free delivery is on untill the 2nd Nov

"Richard"  wrote in message 
news:wCr9f.141306$G8.43528@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Cookie wrote:
>> "Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
>> news:gO08f.138586$G8.41216@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>>d11111 on the small business site.
>>>
>>>Dimension 1100
>>>Celeron 2.53GHz
>>>512Mb
>>>80GB
>>>
>>>http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=ukbsdt1&kc=any&oc=d11111&x=5&y=9
>>>
>>>Change the support to be 90 day C&R , and you have it for 175 delivered 
>>>!
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Mike
>>
>>
>> Free delivery  no more!    232.65  :-(
> Free delivery is on untill the 2nd Nov


It didn't work for me 1st time, worked ok now tho :-)