Hi all, I'm posting this to ie.comp and also uk.diy since folks there are a
fountain of knowledge on all sorts of issues, cut the x-post if you want
to.

My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
other than this. 

Please does anyone know what 'bits' of SP2 are needed to run iPod photo
software? ie, would it be possible to download (onto a computer running
Win98) or ask someone to send me the relevant updates? 

Have searched the Apple site and discussion forums, will continue to google
and ask on the forum if necessary. 

Another point, the iPod says it needs a high power USB2 port - how do we
know if ours is high power or not, and just in case it isn't, are we likely
to do any damage if we plug it in and see what happens?!  If not I will try
installing the iPod software, maybe the music bit might work even if the
photo bit doesn't - or not?!  Anyone ever tried it?

Any other good ideas out there?

A general whinge - why do so many products require very recent computers in
order to work?  We have four perfectly good computers here, and two digital
cameras which will only work with one of them and now an iPod which won't
work with any of them! 

TIA

-- 
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:

snip

> 
> My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
> Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
> with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
> the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
> wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
> someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
> other than this..........snip the rest


Aha, sorry bad form to reply to myself, might have found the answer here:

http://mho.republika.pl/ipod/index.shtml

Anyone ever tried it or know of a similar driver which is known to work?
The iPod is already formatted and has some music on it (husband organised
it through a friend). It would be much better if I could get it working on
my own Win98 machine rather than using the kids computer all the time.

TIA again

-- 
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

"Holly in France"  wrote in message
news:1a1axxab2yh81.11spcw7rh2jdz.dlg@40tude.net...

> My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
> Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
> with SP2.


It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)

SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
speed.  If you have a firewire connection, you will have no problems at all
as the connection speed is similar to USB 2.0

HTH,
Adrian

"Holly in France"  wrote in message
news:1hdthcv2pe4bd$.2m61btyv7grk.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
yipee!
> > Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs
XP
> > with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
> > the internet.



Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully - the internet connection
is for looking up track names when you rip CDs and for buying music online
so it is possible to do without.

I sympathise with you about being forced to upgrade opersting systems; I had
to install XP over my trusty 98 to take advantage of a free broadband
package - the modem would install perfectly but the ISP installation CD
wouldn't allow it...

On Sat, 21 May 2005 12:05:34 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


> "Holly in France"  wrote in message
> news:1hdthcv2pe4bd$.2m61btyv7grk.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:16:31 +0100, Holly in France wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday -
> yipee!
>>> Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs
> XP
>>> with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
>>> the internet.
> 
> 
> Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully - the internet connection
> is for looking up track names when you rip CDs and for buying music online
> so it is possible to do without.


I was only thinking of using the internet to download the XP SP2 update,
since I read it was possible that it might not need the whole 260mB
download if done using Windows Update. Also that downloading SP2 update
onto a Win98 computer and then tranferring to the XP one might be asking
for trouble, apart from which the win98 machine doesn't have room! Other
than that we will copy music off existing CDs. But as I said in the other
post, I would rather not use the XP computer at all if I can use my own
Win98 machine. 


> I sympathise with you about being forced to upgrade opersting systems; I had
> to install XP over my trusty 98 to take advantage of a free broadband
> package - the modem would install perfectly but the ISP installation CD
> wouldn't allow it...


Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need 100
people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France
Telecom will upgrade the lines, and that's not going to happen anytime
soon!


-- 
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

Holly in France wrote:


> Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need
> 100 people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France


And we are always being told that everyone in France
has infinite speed broadband for 1 sou a year.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:58:46 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:


> Holly in France wrote:
> 
>> Sympathy returned! That's one problem I won't have for a while, we need
>> 100 people in the village to agree to sign up for broadband before France
> 
> And we are always being told that everyone in France
> has infinite speed broadband for 1 sou a year.


Are you? :-) Hmm, well, I think unlimited broadband packages start at about
15 euro/month, although it seems to vary with the speed one chooses. I pay
the same for unlimited access 5am to 5pm and 20 hours/month outside those
times, anything over that at the local phone rate. I'm online as much as I
want and for me this is about as much as I used the old esat nolimits
service. Broadband coverage in France is very good on the whole, it's just
people out in the sticks who don't have it. How easily available is in
Ireland these days, and at what price?

You set followups to uk.diy but since you appear to be posting from ie.comp
I have added it back in, hope that's Ok with you.  I'll leave uk.diy in for
now too but it's probably more on topic on ie.comp.


-- 
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:


> "Holly in France"  wrote in message
> news:1a1axxab2yh81.11spcw7rh2jdz.dlg@40tude.net...
>> My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
>> Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
>> with SP2.
> 
> It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)
> 
> SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
> device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
> and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
> speed. 


Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to remember
if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the name
& address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?


> If you have a firewire connection,


No such newfangled things here :-)


-- 
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

Holly in France wrote:

> On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:
> 
> 
>>"Holly in France"  wrote in message
>>news:1a1axxab2yh81.11spcw7rh2jdz.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>>>My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
>>>Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
>>>with SP2.
>>
>>It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)
>>
>>SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
>>device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB port
>>and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
>>speed. 
> 
> 
> Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to remember
> if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
> complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the name
> & address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?
> 
> 
>>If you have a firewire connection,
> 
> 
> No such newfangled things here :-)
> 
> 


For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent 
out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz 
the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type 
issues.

In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).

Des O'Donoghue wrote:

> Holly in France wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 21 May 2005 11:54:39 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Berry wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Holly in France"  wrote in message
>>> news:1a1axxab2yh81.11spcw7rh2jdz.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>>> My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - 
>>>> yipee!
>>>> Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It 
>>>> needs XP
>>>> with SP2.
>>>
>>>
>>> It works satisfactorily on XP without SP2. ( well, mine does!)
>>>
>>> SP2 is necessary for an XP USB2.0 interface - thus when you plug in the
>>> device it will warn that a high speed device is using a low speed USB 
>>> port
>>> and then it will chug along just fine but at a much reduced connection
>>> speed. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for that, as a result I've just had a go. Do you happen to 
>> remember
>> if the iPod software needed to go online to register before set-up would
>> complete? Install hangs just after the bit where I have to put in the 
>> name
>> & address etc, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why?
>>
>>
>>> If you have a firewire connection,
>>
>>
>>
>> No such newfangled things here :-)
>>
>>
> 
> For what its worth the SP2 CD was available free from Microsoft and sent 
> out with a lot of computer mags as well - they really wanted to blitz 
> the place and ensure people used it - it resolved a lot of security type 
> issues.
> 
> In relation to the Ipod I think it did go online (fairly sure actually).


Here is the link to get SP2 on CD


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

Holly in France wrote:

> Another point, the iPod says it needs a high power USB2 port - how do we
> know if ours is high power or not, and just in case it isn't, are we likely
> to do any damage if we plug it in and see what happens?!  


Probably not. If the iPod needs more power than your PC's USB ports can 
provide, you can plug in a *powered* USB hub which costs not a lot.

Owain

In message , Holly in France 
 writes

>Hi all, I'm posting this to ie.comp and also uk.diy since folks there are a
>fountain of knowledge on all sorts of issues, cut the x-post if you want
>to.
>
>My husband has just kindly given me an iPod photo for my birthday - yipee!
>Problem is, we don't have a computer which will work with it. It needs XP
>with SP2. Our XP computer isn't, and I don't want it to be, connected to
>the internet. Even if I bring it all downstairs and connect it all up it
>wouldn't hold a connection for a 260mB download. I might be able to get
>someone to send me SP2 on a CD but I don't really need it for anything
>other than this.


Go to the microsoft site and ask them to send you the SP2 CD it's FOC

otherwise, I have just dug it out, I have it here and can send you a 
copy if you send me your address


>
>Please does anyone know what 'bits' of SP2
.... ...

>Anyone ever tried it?

dunno

>
>A general whinge - why do so many products require very recent computers in
>order to work?  We have four perfectly good computers here, and two digital
>cameras which will only work with one of them and now an iPod which won't
>work with any of them!
>

Technology moves on ...

-- 
geoff