I am from Manchester but have connections in Workington and so travel
there fairly often. I never stop reading in the local press about the
number of road accidents and fatalities on the local A roads. The A66
towards and around the Lillyhall area seems to be well featured in the
fatalities list.

On Friday night i was travelling toward workington and had come off a
large roundabout (dont know the name!) and was going along in the
direction of the Lillyhall roundabout. Locals may know the area. There
is a junction to the right for Great clifton,the next after that on
the right is for Stainburn via the Moor Rd. The weather was grim and
it was very dark so i was travelling at about 40mph and looking out
for the Stainburn turn off. Behind me were two cars. I could see the
right turn sign to Stainburn in the distance and so checked behind,all
was well and signalled right. As I approached the right hand turn, the
retard behind me moved out and made to overtake me!. At the point
where i intended to turn right,he had only just passed me and i was
forced to go straight on to avoid an accident.

The quality of driving of some of the locals has to be seen to be
believed and it is no wonder there are so many tragedies. Most of them
wouldnt last a day on Manchesters' roads for they would either be cut
to ribbons or kill some unfortunate person. They are always in such a
great big hurry and what for? to save a minute or two-pathetic and
stupid.

My own driving record is exemplary. I have a full licence for
motorbikes and cars,have driven both for nearly 25 years accident free
and a clean licence. IMHO,it should be a condition of learning to
drive a car that you have first held a licene for a motorbike/scooter
for 6 months AND can domonstrate that you have used it regularly and
have passed a test on it.



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"tarquinlinbin"  wrote in message

 IMHO,it should be a condition of learning to

> drive a car that you have first held a licene for a motorbike/scooter
> for 6 months AND can domonstrate that you have used it regularly and
> have passed a test on it.
>
>
>  As a motorcyclist of many years experience and a car driver, I must agree 
> with you. Riding a motorbike should teach you to ride defensively - you 
> either learn that lesson or have an accident - and an accident on a bike 
> is bad news, whether you are in the right or not.


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> On Friday night i was travelling toward workington and had come off a
> large roundabout (dont know the name!)...


Chapel Brow.


> and was going along in the
> direction of the Lillyhall roundabout. Locals may know the area. There
> is a junction to the right for Great clifton, the next after that on
> the right is for Stainburn via the Moor Rd. The weather was grim and
> it was very dark so i was travelling at about 40mph and looking out
> for the Stainburn turn off. Behind me were two cars. I could see the
> right turn sign to Stainburn in the distance and so checked behind,all
> was well and signalled right. As I approached the right hand turn, the
> retard behind me moved out and made to overtake me!. At the point
> where i intended to turn right,he had only just passed me and i was
> forced to go straight on to avoid an accident.
>
> The quality of driving of some of the locals has to be seen to be
> believed...


Indeed, but I think your casting nasturtiums.  There are eedjits in 
Manchester as well, unfortunately...  And as we say in the IAM, 'there is no 
such thing as the perfect driver'.


> and it is no wonder there are so many tragedies. Most of them
> wouldnt last a day on Manchesters' roads for they would either be cut
> to ribbons or kill some unfortunate person. They are always in such a
> great big hurry and what for? to save a minute or two-pathetic and
> stupid.
>
> My own driving record is exemplary.


Is it?

'Some words are spoken as a boast,
but never try to beat them.
Always keep yours soft and sweet,
In case you have to eat them!'


> I have a full licence for
> motorbikes and cars,have driven both for nearly 25 years accident free
> and a clean licence. IMHO,it should be a condition of learning to
> drive a car that you have first held a licene for a motorbike/scooter
> for 6 months AND can domonstrate that you have used it regularly and
> have passed a test on it.


Why?
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Regds,

Russell W. B.
http://www.huttonrow.co.uk

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Well I'm delighted to hear you survived that little near-miss.

 IMHO,it should be a condition of learning to

> drive a car that you have first held a licene for a motorbike/scooter
> for 6 months AND can domonstrate that you have used it regularly and
> have passed a test on it.
>

Don't know about it being compulsory, but it certainly helps. I had a moped 
for while before I sat my car test, and it certainly gave you a different 
view of other road users and their bad habits. (It would have been a proper 
motorbike if I'd had a bit more money.... and I'd probably have killed 
myself on it...)

ally

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:02:04 +0100, "Russell W. Barnes" <russell dot
barnes @ huttonrow dot co dot uk> wrote:


>
>
>"tarquinlinbin"  opined: 
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>
>8><-------------------------------------------------
>> On Friday night i was travelling toward workington and had come off a
>> large roundabout (dont know the name!)...
>
>Chapel Brow.
>

Yes,that rings a bell..

>> and was going along in the
>> direction of the Lillyhall roundabout. Locals may know the area. There
>> is a junction to the right for Great clifton, the next after that on
>> the right is for Stainburn via the Moor Rd. The weather was grim and
>> it was very dark so i was travelling at about 40mph and looking out
>> for the Stainburn turn off. Behind me were two cars. I could see the
>> right turn sign to Stainburn in the distance and so checked behind,all
>> was well and signalled right. As I approached the right hand turn, the
>> retard behind me moved out and made to overtake me!. At the point
>> where i intended to turn right,he had only just passed me and i was
>> forced to go straight on to avoid an accident.
>>
>> The quality of driving of some of the locals has to be seen to be
>> believed...
>
>Indeed, but I think your casting nasturtiums.  There are eedjits in 
>Manchester as well, unfortunately...  And as we say in the IAM, 'there is no 
>such thing as the perfect driver'.


Yes your quite right..

>
>> and it is no wonder there are so many tragedies. Most of them
>> wouldnt last a day on Manchesters' roads for they would either be cut
>> to ribbons or kill some unfortunate person. They are always in such a
>> great big hurry and what for? to save a minute or two-pathetic and
>> stupid.
>>
>> My own driving record is exemplary.
>
>Is it?


In the sense that I have passed my test on so so called death
machine(aka motorbike) and car and have used both for 25 years without
accident or conviction.

>
>'Some words are spoken as a boast,
>but never try to beat them.
>Always keep yours soft and sweet,
>In case you have to eat them!'
>
>> I have a full licence for
>> motorbikes and cars,have driven both for nearly 25 years accident free
>> and a clean licence. IMHO,it should be a condition of learning to
>> drive a car that you have first held a licene for a motorbike/scooter
>> for 6 months AND can domonstrate that you have used it regularly and
>> have passed a test on it.
>
>Why?


In the "old days" of motorcycling when all you had to do was drive
round the block to get a pass certificate,things were not so good. I'm
sure the accident rate was much higher. I passed my test in that era
too but had the wit to realise that i was far from competent. There
used to be a national training outfit organised by the RAC./ACU which
provided further training for motorcyclists. I signed up for a course.
It ran for quite a few months each Sunday morning. We had further
training by qualified instructors,took to the roads for on going
training assessment and when i passed i went on to be an instructor
myself for a while. A properly trained and skilled motorcyclist will
have greater powers of observation and ongoing assessment of
situations. Its a matter of skill and survival. When these skills are
transferred to a car,they are generally better drivers. Well trained
motorcylists are taught a safe system of riding,maintaining an ongoing
safe zone around them whilst maintaining a constant vigilance and
checking regime. A lot of motorists dont look any further than the end
of their bonnets and deal with situations as they encounter them
rather than with anticipation and planning.

Again though,im not saying im perfect,just better than many and im not
saying all motorcylists are brilliant. Most dont bother with advanced
training,some are hopeless two wheeled terrorists and many are
needlessly killed because of this.

We used to have an old saying.

There are old bikers and bold bikers,but there are no old bold bikers.






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There are 3 things that aint so good among drivers.

1)Those who never look in the mirror to see what's going on behind them and
can't pull in and let a queue pass by.

2) Those who drive in the middle of the road toward the middle line and are
completely hopeless on a country road with no middle line to guide them.
Don't we learn to keep to our own side of the road in such circumstances. ?

3) People who are uncertain of the round about rules and need a little
reminder course, like me.

Edith.

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> There are 3 things that aint so good among drivers.
>
> 1)Those who never look in the mirror to see what's going on behind them 
> and
> can't pull in and let a queue pass by.
>
> 2) Those who drive in the middle of the road toward the middle line and 
> are
> completely hopeless on a country road with no middle line to guide them.
> Don't we learn to keep to our own side of the road in such circumstances. 
> ?
>
> 3) People who are uncertain of the round about rules and need a little
> reminder course, like me.
>
> Edith.
>


Er... that's 4 things...

Kez-can-count

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:49:43 +0000 (UTC), Russell W. Barnes wrote:


> And things like spotting diesel spillage, which wouldn't affect
> car drivers to the same degree. 


Or horse shit. Had a biker, coming the other way, do a very 
interesting twitch about 10 yards in front of me when his wheels 
touched some fresh horse shit. Stupid thing was that as I progressed I 
past a trail of horse shit so it wasn't as is it was a surprise around 
a corner to the biker. Guess he must have been a townie...


>> There are old bikers and bold bikers,but there are no old bold 
>> bikers.
> 
> I like that!


And very true.  The worse ones are the "born again" bikers. The middle 
aged successful men who can afford to buy a powerful sports bike and 
try to recapture their youth.

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

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> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:49:43 +0000 (UTC), Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>
>> And things like spotting diesel spillage, which wouldn't affect
>> car drivers to the same degree.
>
> Or horse shit. Had a biker, coming the other way, do a very
> interesting twitch about 10 yards in front of me when his wheels
> touched some fresh horse shit. Stupid thing was that as I progressed I
> past a trail of horse shit so it wasn't as is it was a surprise around
> a corner to the biker. Guess he must have been a townie...


Don't they still use horses and carts in Manchester, then? :o)

>
>>> There are old bikers and bold bikers,but there are no old bold
>>> bikers.
>>
>> I like that!
>
> And very true.  The worse ones are the "born again" bikers. The middle
> aged successful men who can afford to buy a powerful sports bike and
> try to recapture their youth.
>
> -- 

Indeed.

One never hears of the responsible, good bikers who - no doubt - whizz up 
and down Hartside upon arriving up from - or going down to - Devil's Bridge 
or wherever...  One hears plenty about the potential 'old, bold' bikers 
though - usually a gruesome headline in the 'Herald'!

It'll be a bit like the TT on the way to your place, is it?
-- 
Regds,

Russell W. B.
http://www.huttonrow.co.uk

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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:16:25 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:


> One never hears of the responsible, good bikers who - no doubt - 
> whizz up and down Hartside upon arriving up from - or going down to 
> - Devil's Bridge or wherever...  


There are responsible bikers and TBH they are in the majority. They 
just poottle along at 60mph, on the big Harleys or Honda Gold Wings, 
enjoying the road, the ride and view.

It's the ones on the 750cc 150mph+ "sports" bikes that are the 
problem. Doing stupid speeds round blind bends, wheels their side of 
the line but most of the bike and them your side. Doing wheelies up 
Front Street. Or simply the fing noise as the engine revs up to 10,000 
rpm as they scream down the straighter sections at 100mph+. As they 
race up or down between Natrass and Ashgill it's not so bad as it 
doesn't last long, 30 seconds or so for the mile of road involved... 

What pees me off is the noise from them along the Hartside Road 
between the Cafe and Alston, it's just a constant scream that lasts 
for minutes.


> It'll be a bit like the TT on the way to your place, is it?


Fortunately our house is not directly on one of the main routes but 
close enough. During summer weekends you can tell if the weather is 
nice by the noise from the bikes...  B-(

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> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:16:25 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>
> > One never hears of the responsible, good bikers who - no doubt -
> > whizz up and down Hartside upon arriving up from - or going down to
> > - Devil's Bridge or wherever...
>
> There are responsible bikers and TBH they are in the majority. They
> just poottle along at 60mph, on the big Harleys or Honda Gold Wings,
> enjoying the road, the ride and view.
>
> It's the ones on the 750cc 150mph+ "sports" bikes that are the
> problem. Doing stupid speeds round blind bends, wheels their side of
> the line but most of the bike and them your side. Doing wheelies up
> Front Street. Or simply the fing noise as the engine revs up to 10,000
> rpm as they scream down the straighter sections at 100mph+. As they
> race up or down between Natrass and Ashgill it's not so bad as it
> doesn't last long, 30 seconds or so for the mile of road involved...
>
> What pees me off is the noise from them along the Hartside Road
> between the Cafe and Alston, it's just a constant scream that lasts
> for minutes.
>
> > It'll be a bit like the TT on the way to your place, is it?
>
> Fortunately our house is not directly on one of the main routes but
> close enough. During summer weekends you can tell if the weather is
> nice by the noise from the bikes...  B-(
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Gees, it's nice up there, Dave. How far up are you? Are you past the cafe. I
noticed the chimney and roof of a farm down a little road on the left not
long after the beginning of the climb coming from south.

Edith

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:36:26 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> Gees, it's nice up there, Dave. How far up are you? Are you past the 
> cafe. I noticed the chimney and roof of a farm down a little road on 
> the left not long after the beginning of the climb coming from 
> south.


Read my post again and look at a web mapping site. You should be able 
to pin it down. Or use a bit of logic and go straight to my website...

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> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:36:26 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Gees, it's nice up there, Dave. How far up are you? Are you past the
> > cafe. I noticed the chimney and roof of a farm down a little road on
> > the left not long after the beginning of the climb coming from
> > south.
>
> Read my post again and look at a web mapping site. You should be able
> to pin it down. Or use a bit of logic and go straight to my website...
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Me. Logical. Givower. Give me some details now, please. Here and now. Your
website please. Otherwise-kiss me where I'm tallest when picking up stumps.

Edith.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51:38 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> Me. Logical. Givower. Give me some details now, please. Here and 
> now. Your website please. Otherwise-kiss me where I'm tallest when 
> picking up stumps.


Wouldn't want to bend over, I'll stay standing.

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> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51:38 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Me. Logical. Givower. Give me some details now, please. Here and
> > now. Your website please. Otherwise-kiss me where I'm tallest when
> > picking up stumps.
>
> Wouldn't want to bend over, I'll stay standing.
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


LOL.

Edith.

When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
me, what with be being a Lillyhallian

When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
me, what with me being a Lillyhallian

"Barry"  wrote in message 
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> When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
> me, what with be being a Lillyhallian


Well, if the cap fits....

ally-running-for-cover

"Barry"  wrote in message 
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> When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
> me, what with me being a Lillyhallian


What, both of you?

ally-seeing-double

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>
> "Barry"  wrote in message
> news:1128897480.563987.203080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
> > me, what with me being a Lillyhallian
>
> What, both of you?
>
> ally-seeing-double


G'morning Barry Barry. Well it's better than Barry Bob.

Edith.

Barry wrote:

> When I read the title of this topic, I thought you were referring to
> me, what with be being a Lillyhallian
> 


I keep reading "Lillyhall regards". But then, I'm not from Lillyhall.

Jp