When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
tyres are not getting their valves replaced?

Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very necessary, 
and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should this necessity 
not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, Supplying goods fit 
for the purpose,

The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, but 
balancing should be part of the service
"There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work correctly 
unless you pay us a couple of more quid"

-- 
Kills all threads dead Jimbo

I suppose you have a point but everywhere i've ever been for tyres have
always quoted me a fitted price rather than the
tyre+valve+balancing+fitting.  Just one of those things i suppose.  Ho
hum.

"Domestos"  wrote in message
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> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four
> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?


Seems like a worthwhile precaution to me.
Whilst the tyre is off, why not replace the valve. They don't cost a
fortune.
If asked, no doubt they would fit the tyre without fitting a new valve. That
is of course if the old valve showed no signs of failing.

>
> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very
necessary,
> and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should this necessity


Depends on the vehicle. Old cars and trailers might not need the wheels to
be balanced. Wheel balancing is relatively new as far as motoring is
concerned.
When 60-70mph was considered quite fast, wheel balancing wasn't that
important.


> not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, Supplying goods
fit
> for the purpose,
>
> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing,
but
> balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work
correctly
> unless you pay us a couple of more quid"


As I said. Depends on it's use. I see nothing wrong with allowing the
purchaser to decide whether or not to pay for new valves or wheel balancing.
Mike.

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from "Domestos"  contains these words:


> I mean the other four tyres are not getting their valves replaced?


No - but they'll get their turn eventually.

-- 
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In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Domestos"  wrote in message 
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> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>
> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, 
> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>
> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
> but balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"
>


Costco price always includes valve and balance.

The thing that annoys me is the price that the LITTLE places charge for 
valves, in bulk buy valves cost less than 10 p each, and they always charge 
several pounds each!!!  Plus up to about 6 pounds for a balance!!

MRCHEERFUL

Domestos  wrote on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:25:10 GMT:

> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?


They're not getting their tyres replaced either?
 

> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very necessary, 
> and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should this necessity 
> not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, Supplying goods fit 
> for the purpose,


Well it is part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre.  Would you'd
rather they didn't itemise the cost?
 

> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, but 
> balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work correctly 
> unless you pay us a couple of more quid"


Well its that or they charge you more for the tyre...

-- 
David Taylor

"Mike G"  wrote in message
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>
> "Domestos"  wrote in message
> news:GCiZe.115068$G8.105276@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost
> > really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four
> > tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>
> Seems like a worthwhile precaution to me.
> Whilst the tyre is off, why not replace the valve. They don't cost a
> fortune.
> If asked, no doubt they would fit the tyre without fitting a new valve.
That
> is of course if the old valve showed no signs of failing.
> >
> > Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very
> necessary,
> > and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should this
necessity
>
> Depends on the vehicle. Old cars and trailers might not need the wheels to
> be balanced. Wheel balancing is relatively new as far as motoring is
> concerned.
> When 60-70mph was considered quite fast, wheel balancing wasn't that
> important.
>


It's still not that important IMHO, depending on use. Many cars never see a
motorway or high speed dual carriageway, so never reach a speed where it
would be a problem. I fitted a tyre to my daughters fiesta a while ago, and
left a couple of balance weights on. When she (unusually) said there was a
vibration, I took one of them off, and she says it's fine now. She would
never have noticed except for a road closure on her way to work forcing her
the long way round onto the dual carriageway.

Steve

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:08:28 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>
>"Domestos"  wrote in message 
>news:GCiZe.115068$G8.105276@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
>> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
>> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>>
>> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
>> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
>> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, 
>> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>>
>> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
>> but balancing should be part of the service
>> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
>> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"
>>
>
>Costco price always includes valve and balance.
>
>The thing that annoys me is the price that the LITTLE places charge for 
>valves, in bulk buy valves cost less than 10 p each, and they always charge 
>several pounds each!!!  Plus up to about 6 pounds for a balance!!
>
>MRCHEERFUL 
>

IME the little places charge less overall than the big places. My two
favoured small local tyre shops are way cheaper than the national
chains. And they always quote inclusive of valves & balancing.
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This has never been a problem for me.

get out yellow pages

make list of local tyre dealers

ask for full price inc;uding valve, balance and vat

big chains chareg xtra for the valve and balance.

local fitter quotes all in price which works out much cheaper for same tyre.

pop round to local fitter

job done

has worked for me for last 25 years


"Domestos"  wrote in message 
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> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>
> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, 
> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>
> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
> but balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"
>
> -- 
> Kills all threads dead Jimbo
> 

"Domestos"  wrote in message 
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> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off,


Replacing the valve is necessary, the charge can be excessive.


> I mean the other four tyres are not getting their valves replaced?


They will when the tyres are replaced

>
> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre,


Most tyre shops do/will quote an all inclusive price, it's not the time it 
takes to balance a wheel it's the cost of the machine used to do it and the 
Zinc used as weights ( 5x more expensive than lead).


> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>
> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
> but balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"


I see you want cash and carry prices for fitted tyres, thats why 
Mytyre/Black circles etc seem cheap.

>
> -- 
> Kills all threads dead Jimbo
> 

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
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>
> "Domestos"  wrote in message 
> news:GCiZe.115068$G8.105276@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
>> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
>> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>>
>> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
>> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
>> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, 
>> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>>
>> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
>> but balancing should be part of the service
>> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
>> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"
>>
>
> Costco price always includes valve and balance.
>
> The thing that annoys me is the price that the LITTLE places charge for 
> valves, in bulk buy valves cost less than 10 p each, and they always 
> charge several pounds each!!!  Plus up to about 6 pounds for a balance!!


Weights are more expensive than valves, 35grm alloy weights are currently 
11 +vat for a box of 50 . A half decent balancer will set you back 3000+ 
vat. The person driving the balancer is paid at least 5 an hour with 4 
weeks paid holiday pa, I don't think 6 is dear.



>
> MRCHEERFUL
> 

we have to go to kwik fit for our tyres and brakes
they seem to have a habit of removing the valves to release the air from the 
tyre
then they charge the company for a balance they don't do
I always point out the fact that our mercs have metal valves and when they 
are removed I would like to see them replace them with another metal valve
they um and err before wandering over to get the valve out of the bin and 
then they try to make excuses as to why they can't refit it
then I suggest that they will be paying out the 40k a day the van is off 
the road for
they readily refit the valve (it's one of them screw on underneath the rim 
jobbies) and then I ask them why they haven't balanced the tyre even though 
they've changed me

I have noticed a marked increase in speed of service and general "yes sir 
how can we help you today sir" service whenever I turn up to their depot now 
:)

make a stand and ask them why they haven't done stuff (or why they have) and 
then make a habit of asking to speak to the manager, mind you, I now have a 
direct line to the manager so I'm not that ill informed :)

"Domestos"  wrote in message 
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> When getting a new tyre fitted is replacing the valve at an extra cost 
> really necessary or just a way of ripping you off, I mean the other four 
> tyres are not getting their valves replaced?
>
> Also balancing the wheel when fitting a new tyre, Yes it is very 
> necessary, and possibly quite dangerous not to have it done, so should 
> this necessity not be part of the cost of supplying and fitting a tyre, 
> Supplying goods fit for the purpose,
>
> The valve replacement appears to be a nice earner, as is the balancing, 
> but balancing should be part of the service
> "There you go sir, nice new tyre on your wheel, but it won't work 
> correctly unless you pay us a couple of more quid"
>
> -- 
> Kills all threads dead Jimbo
> 

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from "  dojj"  contains these words:


> then they charge the company for a balance they don't do


When I worked for BSM they had a policy of not balancing wheels. Tight
arsed gits. It was supposed to save 'em money but I knew several
instructors who deliberately wrecked a tyre that needed balancing just
so they'd get a new one and hope it was better balanced than before.
Dunno if they've changed.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.