My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's surrounded by
concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only picks up
channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the one that came
with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone recommend an
(inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?
Thanks

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:46:55 GMT, dave <dave@hereand.there> wrote:


>My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's surrounded by
>concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only picks up
>channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the one that came
>with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone recommend an
>(inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?
>Thanks



It's a bit surprising that there is something from Channel 5 and not
the other channels, since this has a much lower signal level from the
transmitters.

Are you sure that she has tried tuning the set?

A Yagi type set top antenna (small version of an outside type
antenna), may give better results, especially if located upstairs, but
generally adding an antenna pre-amplifier won't do very much if there
is little signal in the first place, or if it has ghosting resulting
from the surrounding buildings.

You could always tell her that she should be getting on with studies,
but I don't suppose that that would be met with any better reception
than she's getting already.


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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:46:55 UTC, dave <dave@hereand.there> wrote:


> My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's surrounded by
> concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only picks up
> channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the one that came
> with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone recommend an
> (inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?


And of course check she has a licence...they are very hot on student 
houses...

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"dave" <dave@hereand.there> wrote in message
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> My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's
surrounded by
> concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only
picks up
> channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the
one that came
> with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone
recommend an
> (inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?
> Thanks



....mmmm ... if this TV has been moved from home to her digs then it's
probably come from an area where the channels are significantly
different tuning. >MOST< of London has quite good reception and is in
line of sight of the transmitters. I'd investigate tuning first. She
presumably only needs BBC2 anyway for the open university <G>

AWEM

So let me get this straight. You pay £120 for a TV license and you get
nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.

I did buy one of those 42 element aerials from B & Q, Maplins also do
them for about £25. However I did have a loft to put it in.

What about a TV card for her computer. They have quite sensative front
ends in the receiver.  Then you can record to hard disc.

Chris.

So let me get this straight. You pay £120 for a TV license and you get
nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.

I did buy one of those 42 element aerials from B & Q, Maplins also do
them for about £25. However I did have a loft to put it in.

What about a TV card for her computer. They have quite sensative front
ends in the receiver.  Then you can record to hard disc.

Chris.

dave wrote:

> My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's surrounded by
> concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only picks up
> channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the one that came
> with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone recommend an
> (inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?
> Thanks


Surely she can just watch the big screen in the students union bar or 
whatever pub she happens to be in at the time!

In article ,
    wrote:

> So let me get this straight. You pay 120 for a TV license and you get
> nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.


Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is driven
by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put (more) money
in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for all of us - and
at far greater cost.

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In article , John Cartmell
 wrote:

> In article ,
>     wrote:
> > So let me get this straight. You pay 120 for a TV license and you get
> > nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.

> Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is
> driven by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put
> (more) money in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for
> all of us - and at far greater cost.



And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
requires a licence.

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In article ,
<URL:mailto:mcbrien410@aol.com> wrote:


> So let me get this straight.


       http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post


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In article , 
john@cartmell.demon.co.uk says...

> In article , John Cartmell
>  wrote:
> > In article ,
> >     wrote:
> > > So let me get this straight. You pay £120 for a TV license and you get
> > > nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.
> 
> > Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is
> > driven by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put
> > (more) money in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for
> > all of us - and at far greater cost.
> 
> 
> And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
> requires a licence.
> 
> 

Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
something about battery poweed TVs.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:44:31 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew Mawson"
 wrote:


>
>"dave" <dave@hereand.there> wrote in message
>news:3b71j1dqk106621sp8p8smr5hln0rd6hmt@4ax.com...
>> My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's
>surrounded by
>> concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only
>picks up
>> channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the
>one that came
>> with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone
>recommend an
>> (inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?
>> Thanks
>
>
>...mmmm ... if this TV has been moved from home to her digs then it's
>probably come from an area where the channels are significantly
>different tuning. >MOST< of London has quite good reception and is in
>line of sight of the transmitters. I'd investigate tuning first. She
>presumably only needs BBC2 anyway for the open university <G>


Well of course :)

Rob Morley wrote:

> In article , 
> john@cartmell.demon.co.uk says...
> 
>>In article , John Cartmell
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>    wrote:
>>>
>>>>So let me get this straight. You pay 120 for a TV license and you get
>>>>nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.
>>
>>>Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is
>>>driven by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put
>>>(more) money in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for
>>>all of us - and at far greater cost.
>>
>>
>>And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
>>requires a licence.
>>
>>
> 
> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
> something about battery poweed TVs.


I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be 
pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:43:59 +0100, Rob Morley 
wrote:


>In article , 
>john@cartmell.demon.co.uk says...
>> In article , John Cartmell
>>  wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> >     wrote:
>> > > So let me get this straight. You pay 120 for a TV license and you get
>> > > nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.
>> 
>> > Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is
>> > driven by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put
>> > (more) money in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for
>> > all of us - and at far greater cost.
>> 
>> 
>> And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
>> requires a licence.
>> 
>> 
>Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
>case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
>something about battery poweed TVs.


If you are the holder of a valid tv license then you are entitled to
use a portable tv away from home, if it is powered by it's own
internal batteries. That what you are thinking of?

As usual, it is completely outstripped by advancing technology. I am
getting a Freecom Freeview dongle for the pc. It will probably be
legal away from home but depends which of my family are operating it.

In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
 Richard Conway  writes:

> Rob Morley wrote:
> > Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
> > case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
> > something about battery poweed TVs.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be 
> pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?


Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone whose
sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery that powered
it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...
-- 
SAm.

In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
   Richard Conway  wrote:

> Rob Morley wrote:
> > In article , 
> > john@cartmell.demon.co.uk says...
> > 
> >>In article , John Cartmell
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article ,
> >>>    wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>So let me get this straight. You pay 120 for a TV license and you get
> >>>>nothing for it. Come on now, that sort of thing only happens in the UK.
> >>
> >>>Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is
> >>>driven by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put
> >>>(more) money in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for
> >>>all of us - and at far greater cost.
> >>
> >>
> >>And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
> >>requires a licence.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
> > case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
> > something about battery poweed TVs.

> I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be 
> pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?


Not sketchy at all. You can use a 4" TV in the park - but of course you can
show anyone the licence that you have for your home TV, can't you?

The licence is for equipment capable of receiving broadcast TV. If you want to
run videos only (or a computer only) then you need to buy a screen/monitor
without a tuner.

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In article <dgrlgs$4be$18@dulnain.stir.ac.uk>, Sam Nelson 
wrote:

> In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>, Richard Conway 
>  writes:
> > Rob Morley wrote:
> > > Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special
> > > case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember
> > > there's something about battery poweed TVs.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be
> > pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?

> Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.

Cite?

> Years back, I knew someone whose sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to
> which sat the car battery that powered it.  Of course, he'd then charge the
> car battery from the mains...


Sounds urban & mythical.

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In article ,
	Rob Morley  writes:

> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special=20
> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's=20
> something about battery poweed TVs.


Here's my interpretation of the addtional permitted use cases:

 o TV's powered only by internal batteries can be used by the licence
   holder away from home (but not by other members of the household).

 o TV's in boats/caravans used for touring.

 o TV's in caravans not used for touring (and includes use by visitors
   in the presence of the licence holder) providing no television is
   being used in the licenced premises at the same time.

Way back when I was in a Hall of Residence, I wrote to the licensing
authority asking what the rules were for such a place. The reply was
that a licence was needed for each "family unit" which had a TV, and
a "family unit" was defined as a group of people who usually eat at
least one meal a day together (would exclude many families nowadays;-).
So in a self-catering hall, each person ended up needing their own
licence, whereas in a catered hall, only a single licence was required.
This was 25 years ago, and the rules may well be different now, or
interpreted differently even if they haven't changed. There weren't
many personal TV's in Halls of Residence back then, anyway. There
were however plenty of students who ended up being prosecuted for
not having licences in student houses/digs.

However, you have to satisfy yourself of the rules. I'm not paying
your fine just because you believe anything I say...

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:31:54 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is driven
>by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put (more) money
>in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for all of us - and
>at far greater cost.


How do you figure that one out?

You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will need to
make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to keep
advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is watched by
a couple of thousand people.

sponix

"Andrew Gabriel"  wrote in message 
news:43315e6f$0$38044$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...

> In article ,
> Rob Morley  writes:
>> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special=20
>> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember 
>> there's=20
>> something about battery poweed TVs.

<snip>

> However, you have to satisfy yourself of the rules. I'm not paying
> your fine just because you believe anything I say...


http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp

strangely enough!


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Rob Morley wrote:

> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
> something about battery poweed TVs.


It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not the 
PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so it 
would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.

Owain

Owain wrote:

> Rob Morley wrote:
> 
>> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
>> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember 
>> there's something about battery poweed TVs.
> 
> 
> It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not the 
> PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so it 
> would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
> 
> Owain
> 


So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
license?

In article ,
 wibble@email.com (s--p--o--n--i--x) writes:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:31:54 +0100, John Cartmell
>  wrote:
> 
> >Compare UK TV with USA TV. The quality we get (across all channels) is driven
> >by the licence we pay. Cut out the licence and all you do is put (more) money
> >in the back pocket of Murdoch and dump the quality of TV for all of us - and
> >at far greater cost.
> 
> How do you figure that one out?
> 
> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will need to
> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to keep
> advertisers happy


Just like on ITV?  Marvellous.


> rather than the arty-farty stuff that is watched by
> a couple of thousand people.


Oh, right.  And, like, there's just _loads_ of that.  Every Saturday evening
you can't _move_ for arty-farty stuff on BBC1.  Philistine.
-- 
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Sam Nelson wrote:

> In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
>  Richard Conway  writes:
> > Rob Morley wrote:
> > > Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special
> > > case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's
> > > something about battery poweed TVs.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be
> > pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?
>
> Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone whose
> sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery that powered
> it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...


Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license
for a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery
powered TV if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to
be true anymore.

ISTR this subject was done to death here a few months ago and is all on
the TV licensing website, somewhere.

MBQ

In article ,
 manatbandq@hotmail.com writes:

> 
> Sam Nelson wrote:
> > In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
> > Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone whose
> > sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery that powered
> > it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...
> 
> Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license
> for a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery
> powered TV if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to
> be true anymore.
> 
> ISTR this subject was done to death here a few months ago and is all on
> the TV licensing website, somewhere.


Doesn't surprise me.  But I could've sworn there was an exemption for
battery power---although I never understood why.  Oh well.  The above story
is true, though, and that was the reason claimed.
-- 
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:00:12 UTC, sam@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:


> Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone whose
> sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery that powered
> it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...


They do need a licence, except as noted elsewhere in the thread.

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:46:04 UTC, Richard Conway  wrote:


> >>And in case anyone is misled by your other comment - a TV card in a PC
> >>requires a licence.
> > 
> > Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special 
> > case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember there's 
> > something about battery poweed TVs.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the pocket 4" TVs are exempt.  I suppose it would be 
> pretty sketchy on the laptop - what if you were using it in the park?


You need a licence unless:

a) You are living 'away from home' and your parents have a licence AND
b) The TV is wholly powered by self contained batteries wholly contained
within it.

(I've written guidance notes for students in a hall of residence...!)
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:12:43 UTC, sam@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:


> > Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license
> > for a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery
> > powered TV if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to
> > be true anymore.
> > 
> > ISTR this subject was done to death here a few months ago and is all on
> > the TV licensing website, somewhere.
> 
> Doesn't surprise me.  But I could've sworn there was an exemption for
> battery power---although I never understood why.  Oh well.  The above story
> is true, though, and that was the reason claimed.


Quote from the TV Licensing website:
 	
Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
	
A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such as a 
pocket-sized TV." 

So you were effectively correct (so was I, when I said the same 
earlier).

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In article ,
   s--p--o--n--i--x  wrote:

> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will need to
> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to keep
> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is watched by
> a couple of thousand people.


There's only a limited amount of advertising money in the pot, and not
enough to finance the BBC as we know it.

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In article ,
    wrote:

> > Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone
> > whose sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery
> > that powered it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the
> > mains...

> Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license for
> a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery powered TV
> if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to be true
> anymore.


I'd think not. A child may be able to at say scout camp.

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Richard Conway wrote:

>> It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>> the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>> it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
> So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
> tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
> license?


Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
TVL's barrister :-)

Owain

Owain wrote:

> Richard Conway wrote:
> 
>>> It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>> the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>>> it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>
>> So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to 
>> a tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
>> license?
> 
> 
> Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
> TVL's barrister :-)
> 
> Owain
> 

I'll start putting my case together...

In article ,
	"Bob Eager"  writes:

> Quote from the TV Licensing website:
>  	
> Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
> 	
> A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such as a 
> pocket-sized TV." 


That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
only (unlikely to be the student).

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"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4dadf14768dave@davenoise.co.uk...

> In article ,
>   s--p--o--n--i--x  wrote:
>> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will need to
>> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to keep
>> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is watched by
>> a couple of thousand people.
>
> There's only a limited amount of advertising money in the pot, and not
> enough to finance the BBC as we know it.
>

So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time, on 
freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.

And also why should only the UK have to pay towards the BBC when it's 
broadcast FTA across Europe.

The only reason they pick on students is that they are easy targets, I'm 
still waiting for them to come round to check that I haven't got a TV, been 
4 years now! No rush then!

About time we had a fairer system, why should a single person pay 120, and 
a house of 4 adults (with 6 TV's)pay the same, don't make any sense to me.

In message <dgrpor$jbt$6@dulnain.stir.ac.uk>, Sam Nelson 
 writes

>In article ,
> manatbandq@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> Sam Nelson wrote:
>> > In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
>> > Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew 
>> >someone whose
>> > sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery 
>> >that powered
>> > it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...
>>
>> Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license
>> for a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery
>> powered TV if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to
>> be true anymore.
>>
>> ISTR this subject was done to death here a few months ago and is all on
>> the TV licensing website, somewhere.
>
>Doesn't surprise me.  But I could've sworn there was an exemption for
>battery power---although I never understood why.


So that happy caravanners could watch coronation street

-- 
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"s--p--o--n--i--x"  wrote in message
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<snip>

>
> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will need
to
> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to keep
> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is watched
by
> a couple of thousand people.
>


Well considering that the BBC won the BBC1 vs. ITV1 rating war for
the first half on this year it would suggest that people are sick to
the back teeth of the stuff ITV has been churning out (not
withstanding a few notable exceptions)...

"Dave Jones"  wrote in message
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> www.davidarthur.ws
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
> news:4dadf14768dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article ,
> >   s--p--o--n--i--x  wrote:
> >> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will
need to
> >> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to
keep
> >> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is
watched by
> >> a couple of thousand people.
> >
> > There's only a limited amount of advertising money in the pot,
and not
> > enough to finance the BBC as we know it.
> >
> So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time,
on
> freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.


Cheap rates and or specialist advertising, together with mostly non
original programmes (either repeats or bought in) I suspect.


>
> And also why should only the UK have to pay towards the BBC when
it's
> broadcast FTA across Europe.


Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!


>
> The only reason they pick on students is that they are easy
targets, I'm
> still waiting for them to come round to check that I haven't got a
TV, been
> 4 years now! No rush then!
>
> About time we had a fairer system, why should a single person pay
120, and
> a house of 4 adults (with 6 TV's)pay the same, don't make any sense
to me.
>


Life is unfair at time, isn't it.....FFS grow up!

Bob Eager wrote:


> a) You are living 'away from home' and your parents have a licence AND
> b) The TV is wholly powered by self contained batteries wholly contained
> within it.


So a nice widescreen laptop with tv card then.

:)

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":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Dave Jones"  wrote in message
> news:4331bc3d$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> www.davidarthur.ws
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>> news:4dadf14768dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> > In article ,
>> >   s--p--o--n--i--x  wrote:
>> >> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will
> need to
>> >> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to
> keep
>> >> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is
> watched by
>> >> a couple of thousand people.
>> >
>> > There's only a limited amount of advertising money in the pot,
> and not
>> > enough to finance the BBC as we know it.
>> >
>> So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time,
> on
>> freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.
>
> Cheap rates and or specialist advertising, together with mostly non
> original programmes (either repeats or bought in) I suspect.
>
>>
>> And also why should only the UK have to pay towards the BBC when
> it's
>> broadcast FTA across Europe.
>
> Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
> even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!
>
>>
>> The only reason they pick on students is that they are easy
> targets, I'm
>> still waiting for them to come round to check that I haven't got a
> TV, been
>> 4 years now! No rush then!
>>
>> About time we had a fairer system, why should a single person pay
> 120, and
>> a house of 4 adults (with 6 TV's)pay the same, don't make any sense
> to me.
>>
>
> Life is unfair at time, isn't it.....FFS grow up!
>

Try tell that to the 65 year old, trying to live on a state pension.

In message <4331d63b$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Dave Jones 
 writes

>
>


Sorry to top post but

Would you like to get your bloody sig separator sorted out ?

The whole post has become part of your sig ...Again




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":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID> wrote in message
news:4331c602$0$77094$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
 >
 > "Dave Jones"  wrote in message
 > news:4331bc3d$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
 >> www.davidarthur.ws
 >> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
 >> news:4dadf14768dave@davenoise.co.uk...
 >> > In article ,
 >> >   s--p--o--n--i--x  wrote:
 >> >> You could argue that by dumping the licence fee the BBC will
 > need to
 >> >> make programmes that people actually want to watch in order to
 > keep
 >> >> advertisers happy, rather than the arty-farty stuff that is
 > watched by
 >> >> a couple of thousand people.
 >> >
 >> > There's only a limited amount of advertising money in the pot,
 > and not
 >> > enough to finance the BBC as we know it.
 >> >
 >> So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time,
 > on
 >> freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.
 >
 > Cheap rates and or specialist advertising, together with mostly non
 > original programmes (either repeats or bought in) I suspect.
 >
 >>
 >> And also why should only the UK have to pay towards the BBC when
 > it's
 >> broadcast FTA across Europe.
 >
 > Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
 > even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!
 >
 >>
 >> The only reason they pick on students is that they are easy
 > targets, I'm
 >> still waiting for them to come round to check that I haven't got a
 > TV, been
 >> 4 years now! No rush then!
 >>
 >> About time we had a fairer system, why should a single person pay
 > 120, and
 >> a house of 4 adults (with 6 TV's)pay the same, don't make any sense
 > to me.
 >>
 >
 > Life is unfair at time, isn't it.....FFS grow up!
 >
Try tell that to the 65 year old, trying to live on a state pension.



-- 
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"raden"  wrote in message 
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> In message <4331d63b$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Dave Jones 
>  writes
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to top post but
>
> Would you like to get your bloody sig separator sorted out ?
>
> The whole post has become part of your sig ...Again
>


Yep Sorry, forgot about that

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> In article ,
> 	"Bob Eager"  writes:
> 
>>Quote from the TV Licensing website:
>> 	
>>Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
>>	
>>A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such as a 
>>pocket-sized TV." 
> 
> 
> That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
> which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
> only (unlikely to be the student).
> 

How about deliberately transferring the license to the student for the 
purpose of getting round this?

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message
news:6EtYe.6900$lH7.6066@fe02.ams...

> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> > In article ,
> > "Bob Eager"  writes:
> >
> >>Quote from the TV Licensing website:
> >>
> >>Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
> >>
> >>A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such as
a
> >>pocket-sized TV."
> >
> >
> > That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
> > which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
> > only (unlikely to be the student).
> >
> How about deliberately transferring the license to the student for
the
> purpose of getting round this?


Then the parents home address would not have a licence, the
address[1] *has to be* on the licence for the address were the TV is
being used.

[1] the student will be registered as living at another address for
council tax purposes etc.

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message
> news:6EtYe.6900$lH7.6066@fe02.ams...
> 
>>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>"Bob Eager"  writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Quote from the TV Licensing website:
>>>>
>>>>Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
>>>>
>>>>A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such as
> 
> a
> 
>>>>pocket-sized TV."
>>>
>>>
>>>That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
>>>which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
>>>only (unlikely to be the student).
>>>
>>
>>How about deliberately transferring the license to the student for
> 
> the
> 
>>purpose of getting round this?
> 
> 
> Then the parents home address would not have a licence, the
> address[1] *has to be* on the licence for the address were the TV is
> being used.
> 
> [1] the student will be registered as living at another address for
> council tax purposes etc.
> 
> 

But does the holder of a TV license have to live at the address it is 
used?  I.e. could the license cover the address that is on it but have 
the name of someone who isn't resident there?

In article <6EtYe.6900$lH7.6066@fe02.ams>,
   Richard Conway  wrote:

> > That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
> > which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
> > only (unlikely to be the student).
> > 
> How about deliberately transferring the license to the student for the 
> purpose of getting round this?


Then you'd not be covered while he/she was away.

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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

>> a) You are living 'away from home' and your parents have a licence AND
>> b) The TV is wholly powered by self contained batteries wholly contained
>> within it.
>
> So a nice widescreen laptop with tv card then.


Yes, but you must not watch TV on it when it is plugged into the mains.

Christian.

> So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time, on
> freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.


They largely show BBC repeats.

Christian.

> My daughter has a room in a student house in London that's surrounded by
> concrete buildings - now there's surprise :-) She has a TV that only picks
up
> channel 5. There's no cable/aerial etc in the place apart from the one
that came
> with the TV and no amount of twiddling get a picture. Can someone
recommend an
> (inexpensive) aerial preamp that will boost the signal?


The preamp won't help if you're getting nothing at all.

Buy a huge multielement wideband aerial designed to mount on a roof. Plug
into the TV. Look up the frequencies of the BBC1 from all the local
transmitters (i.e. Crystal Palace etc). Tune the TV into those frequency.
Wave the aerial about until you get a signal, trying all the BBC1
frequencies. Hang the aerial from the ceiling in the best direction using
sellotape, string and ingenuity.

Christian.

In article <433284b1$0$12179$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>,
   Christian McArdle  wrote:

> > So how come there seems to be more and more channels all the time, on
> > freeview and sky. Seems to be enough money to go round there.

> They largely show BBC repeats.


Just to clarify - they are parasitic on the money paid by licence payers in
the 60s, 70s, 80s, & 90s. If there is no licence paid in the future they would
be parasitic on those same four decades for ever - or churn out the (mainly)
drivel produced under a strictly commercial system. Remember that commercial
TV in the UK keeps an artificially high quality because it has to keep in
contact with the BBC.

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"Richard Conway"  wrote in message
news:yLuYe.42085$5i4.37848@fe04.ams...

> :::Jerry:::: wrote:
> > "Richard Conway"  wrote in message
> > news:6EtYe.6900$lH7.6066@fe02.ams...
> >
> >>Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article ,
> >>>"Bob Eager"  writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Quote from the TV Licensing website:
> >>>>
> >>>>Q. "Aren't I covered by my parents' licence while I'm away?"
> >>>>
> >>>>A. "No. Unless your TV is powered by internal batteries, such
as
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>pocket-sized TV."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That disagrees with what it says on the back of my licence,
> >>>which is that this applies to the specified licence holder
> >>>only (unlikely to be the student).
> >>>
> >>
> >>How about deliberately transferring the license to the student
for
> >
> > the
> >
> >>purpose of getting round this?
> >
> >
> > Then the parents home address would not have a licence, the
> > address[1] *has to be* on the licence for the address were the TV
is
> > being used.
> >
> > [1] the student will be registered as living at another address
for
> > council tax purposes etc.
> >
> >
> But does the holder of a TV license have to live at the address it
is
> used?  I.e. could the license cover the address that is on it but
have
> the name of someone who isn't resident there?


No. AIUI the only exemptions are made for 'portable' receivers in
such places as Caravans etc. and being used by people from the stated
address whilst they are away, the receiver(s)  at the stated address
are then not being in use.

As the student member of the family will be on record as living at
another address they will need their own licence.

Dave Jones wrote:
 > Try tell that to the 65 year old, trying to live on a state pension.

At least they *get* a state pension.

More than many people of working age today can look forward to.

Owain

"raden"  wrote in message 
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> In message <dgrpor$jbt$6@dulnain.stir.ac.uk>, Sam Nelson  
> writes
>>In article ,
>> manatbandq@hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Sam Nelson wrote:
>>> > In article <1CcYe.4170$lH7.3524@fe02.ams>,
>>> > Battery-powered TVs do not need a licence.  Years back, I knew someone 
>>> > whose
>>> > sole TV was a 12" B/W portable next to which sat the car battery that 
>>> > powered
>>> > it.  Of course, he'd then charge the car battery from the mains...
>>>
>>> Wrong! They can be used away from home if you already have a license
>>> for a TV at home. I used to believe a student could use a battery
>>> powered TV if their parents had a license but even that doesn't seem to
>>> be true anymore.
>>>
>>> ISTR this subject was done to death here a few months ago and is all on
>>> the TV licensing website, somewhere.
>>
>>Doesn't surprise me.  But I could've sworn there was an exemption for
>>battery power---although I never understood why.
>
> So that happy caravanners could watch coronation street
>

We have two caravans and a trailer tent and covered wagon and various other 
canvas temporary acommodation. I can never understand why anyone wants a 
television when camping.

Mary

> -- 
> geoff 

"Andrew Gabriel"  wrote in message 
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>
> However, you have to satisfy yourself of the rules. I'm not paying
> your fine just because you believe anything I say...


Nice one :-)

Would that everyone gave such caveats!

Mary

>
> -- 
> Andrew Gabriel 

"Bob Mannix"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Andrew Gabriel"  wrote in message 
> news:43315e6f$0$38044$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> In article ,
>> Rob Morley  writes:
>>> Would a USB TV card running on a laptop on battery power be a special=20
>>> case?  I can't remember what difference it makes, but I remember 
>>> there's=20
>>> something about battery poweed TVs.
>
> <snip>
>
>> However, you have to satisfy yourself of the rules. I'm not paying
>> your fine just because you believe anything I say...
>
> http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp
>
> strangely enough!


Seems to be unambiguous.

Mary

>
>
> -- 
> Bob Mannix
> (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)
> 

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
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> Owain wrote:
>> Richard Conway wrote:
>>
>>>> It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>> the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so it 
>>>> would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>
>>> So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
>>> tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
>>> license?
>>
>>
>> Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>> TVL's barrister :-)
>>
>> Owain
>>
> I'll start putting my case together...


You're a student?

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
> news:SQfYe.87207$6J1.63189@fe07.ams...
> 
>>Owain wrote:
>>
>>>Richard Conway wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>>>the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so it 
>>>>>would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>>
>>>>So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
>>>>tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
>>>>license?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>>>TVL's barrister :-)
>>>
>>>Owain
>>>
>>
>>I'll start putting my case together...
> 
> 
> You're a student? 
> 
> 

Not any more - but the lifestyle is hard to shake off!

":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
>
> Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
> even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!


Do we?

How? By general taxes perhaps? I didn't know that.

I'm not challenging, I'd like to know.

Mary

"Dave Jones"  wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> Life is unfair at time, isn't it.....FFS grow up!
>>
> Try tell that to the 65 year old, trying to live on a state pension.


I'm older than that living on a (reduced) state pension.

I'm not complaining.

Mary

>
> 

On 22 Sep 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


> 
> ":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:4331c602$0$77094$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
>> 
>> 
>> Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
>> even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!
> 
> Do we?
> 
> How? By general taxes perhaps? I didn't know that.
> 
> I'm not challenging, I'd like to know.


I think it's funded by the Foreign Office -- at least it used to be -- 
so it comes out of general taxes.


-- 
Cheers,
Harvey

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
news:LOzYe.87289$6J1.42517@fe07.ams...

> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>> news:SQfYe.87207$6J1.63189@fe07.ams...
>>
>>>Owain wrote:
>>>
>>>>Richard Conway wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>>>>the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>>>>>>it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>>>
>>>>>So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
>>>>>tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
>>>>>license?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>>>>TVL's barrister :-)
>>>>
>>>>Owain
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'll start putting my case together...
>>
>>
>> You're a student?
> Not any more - but the lifestyle is hard to shake off!


Perhaps - but the question was about students ...

"Harvey Van Sickle"  wrote in message 
news:Xns96D9A4E65AD4whhvans@62.253.170.163...

> On 22 Sep 2005, Mary Fisher wrote
>
>>
>> ":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:4331c602$0$77094$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
>>> even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!
>>
>> Do we?
>>
>> How? By general taxes perhaps? I didn't know that.
>>
>> I'm not challenging, I'd like to know.
>
> I think it's funded by the Foreign Office -- at least it used to be -- 
> so it comes out of general taxes.


Ah yes, something's ringing a bell, thanks.

Whoever pays it's worth every penny, I'm happy to contribute.

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
> news:LOzYe.87289$6J1.42517@fe07.ams...
> 
>>Mary Fisher wrote:
>>
>>>"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>>>news:SQfYe.87207$6J1.63189@fe07.ams...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Owain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Richard Conway wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>>>>>the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>>>>>>>it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to a 
>>>>>>tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without a 
>>>>>>license?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>>>>>TVL's barrister :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Owain
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'll start putting my case together...
>>>
>>>
>>>You're a student?
>>
>>Not any more - but the lifestyle is hard to shake off!
> 
> 
> Perhaps - but the question was about students ... 
> 
> 


Stop bullying me :(

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
news:LnAYe.87423$6J1.76093@fe07.ams...

> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>> news:LOzYe.87289$6J1.42517@fe07.ams...
>>
>>>Mary Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:SQfYe.87207$6J1.63189@fe07.ams...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Owain wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Richard Conway wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>>>>>>the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>>>>>>>>it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to 
>>>>>>>a tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without 
>>>>>>>a license?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>>>>>>TVL's barrister :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Owain
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll start putting my case together...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're a student?
>>>
>>>Not any more - but the lifestyle is hard to shake off!
>>
>>
>> Perhaps - but the question was about students ...
>
> Stop bullying me :(


Sorry ... when you do shake off your studenthood you'll be able to withstand 
bullying :-)

Mary

In article <4332c95d$0$32462$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
   Mary Fisher  wrote:

> > Next you will be objecting to the BBC World Service, people don't
> > even have a say in paying for that, even non TV owners pay!

> Do we?

> How? By general taxes perhaps? I didn't know that.


It's funded direct by the government.

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Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
> news:LnAYe.87423$6J1.76093@fe07.ams...
> 
>>Mary Fisher wrote:
>>
>>>"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>>>news:LOzYe.87289$6J1.42517@fe07.ams...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mary Fisher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
>>>>>news:SQfYe.87207$6J1.63189@fe07.ams...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Owain wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Richard Conway wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's the USB tv adapter which would be the licensable apparatus, not 
>>>>>>>>>the PC, and the laptop battery is not internal to the TV adapter, so 
>>>>>>>>>it would not be covered by the internal battery exemption.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So does that mean that if I get a 42" plasma screen and plug it in to 
>>>>>>>>a tuner that runs off internal batteries I can happily watch without 
>>>>>>>>a license?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, if you're confident you can sound more convincing in court than 
>>>>>>>TVL's barrister :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Owain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll start putting my case together...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're a student?
>>>>
>>>>Not any more - but the lifestyle is hard to shake off!
>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps - but the question was about students ...
>>
>>Stop bullying me :(
> 
> 
> Sorry ... when you do shake off your studenthood you'll be able to withstand 
> bullying :-)
> 
> Mary 
> 
> 

I hope so - life is hard when you're a wimp :(

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message
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>
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> >
> We have two caravans and a trailer tent <snip>


I can't understand anyone wanting a trailer tent, seems to much like
a halfway house to me...

> I can't understand anyone wanting a trailer tent, seems to much like
> a halfway house to me...


It's much easier to tow and store than a caravan, whilst offering fixed
berths, electric and toilets that are more difficult in a conventional tent,
as they need stowing in the car instead, taking valuable luggage room.

Christian.