I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt 
floor - it's a kind of shiny black - and I dont want to risk breaching 
the damp proof barrier, nor crumbling the floor, by nailing gripperods 
down. Is there another way, e.g. very sticky gripperods??


-- 
Richard Faulkner

"No more nails"/ Gripfill works pretty well.

xscope wrote:

> "No more nails"/ Gripfill works pretty well.
> 

Yep, last carpet I had fitted was to a solid floor and the guys used 
that stuff.  Ideally stick the grippers down the day before you want to 
carpet.

David

Richard Faulkner wrote:

> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt 
> floor - it's a kind of shiny black


Does not sound like asphalt.



> - and I dont want to risk breaching 
> the damp proof barrier, nor crumbling the floor, by nailing gripperods 
> down. Is there another way, e.g. very sticky gripperods??


Gripfill. Once the carpet's been down for an hour or two, grippers just
keep the edges down, they're not subject to much "pull". What sort of
carpet are you putting down? Do you need grippers? What really *is* the
floor made of, I wonder.

Lobster wrote:


> xscope wrote:
> 
>> "No more nails"/ Gripfill works pretty well.
>>
> Yep, last carpet I had fitted was to a solid floor and the guys used 
> that stuff.  Ideally stick the grippers down the day before you want to 
> carpet.


And remember to pull the nails out that would usually be used to fix 
them down, or you will have interesting lumps in your carpet!

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In message <43307d26$1_3@x-privat.org>, Chris Bacon 
 writes

>Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt 
>>floor - it's a kind of shiny black
>
>Does not sound like asphalt.
>
>


Perhaps not - I'll ask my builder if he knows what it might be.


>> - and I dont want to risk breaching  the damp proof barrier, nor 
>>crumbling the floor, by nailing gripperods  down. Is there another 
>>way, e.g. very sticky gripperods??
>
>Gripfill.


Does this glue the carpet down, (which I'm not sure I want), or does it 
glue the grippers down.


> Once the carpet's been down for an hour or two, grippers just
>keep the edges down, they're not subject to much "pull". What sort of
>carpet are you putting down?


A 6 per yard berber I think, over 11mm Cloud 9 underlay.


> Do you need grippers?


In areas of other flats where there are no grippers, it looks terrible.


> What really *is* the
>floor made of, I wonder.


???? <G>

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In article , 
richard@estate.demon.co.uk says...

> In message <43307d26$1_3@x-privat.org>, Chris Bacon 
>  writes
> >Richard Faulkner wrote:
> >> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt 
> >>floor - it's a kind of shiny black
> >
> >Does not sound like asphalt.
> >
> Perhaps not - I'll ask my builder if he knows what it might be.


Probably rubberised bituminous emulsion

http://www.ruberoid.ie/ruberoid41.htm

Looks like you could use that as an adhesive too.

Chris Bacon wrote:

> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt
>> floor - it's a kind of shiny black
>
> Does not sound like asphalt.


Sorry to disagree, but it sounds exactly like the asphalt floor I had in my
previous house.

Use the solvent based No More Nails to fix the grippers.

Dave

Chris Bacon wrote:


> Does not sound like asphalt.


could be "self leveling" latex cement...


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Richard Faulkner wrote:

> In message <43307d26$1_3@x-privat.org>, Chris Bacon 
>  writes
> 
>> Gripfill.
> 
> Does this glue the carpet down, (which I'm not sure I want), or does it 
> glue the grippers down.


The grippers

David

"Richard Faulkner"  wrote in message 
news:+6k0G3HLiEMDFwT4@estate-1.demon.co.uk...

>I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt floor - 
>it's a kind of shiny black - and I dont want to risk breaching the damp 
>proof barrier, nor crumbling the floor, by nailing gripperods down. Is 
>there another way, e.g. very sticky gripperods??
>
>
> -- 
> Richard Faulkner


If it is asphalt or similar i.e. a bitumen based substance, then solvent 
based adhesives like gripfill or "no more nails"will dissolve the surface to 
a degree and not adhere strongly enough. We use a urethane or cyanoacrylate 
type of adhesive to stick the gripper down but don't ask me where you would 
find a retail outlet for the stuff. That said though, there isn't much 
strength in bonding to asphalt at the best of times. You might still pull 
the gripper off the floor if you stretch the carpet properly. Cut the 
gripper into 300mm lengths to take up any unevenness in the floor, shorter 
if you have to and don't skimp on the amount of adhesive you use - you need 
what you need - and that's that! If you find the cyanoacrylate type of 
adhesive, it will probably be the foaming type so read the instructions 
properly, I can't stress that enough, you'll find out why when you use it.

Grumble

Grumble wrote:

> "Richard Faulkner"  wrote in message 
> news:+6k0G3HLiEMDFwT4@estate-1.demon.co.uk...
> 
>> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt
>> floor - it's a kind of shiny black - and I dont want to risk
>> breaching the damp proof barrier, nor crumbling the floor, by
>> nailing gripperods down. Is there another way, e.g. very sticky
>> gripperods??

> If it is asphalt or similar i.e. a bitumen based substance, then
> solvent based adhesives like gripfill or "no more nails"will dissolve
> the surface to a degree and not adhere strongly enough.


But you can get "No more nails"-type stuff in both solvent and
water-based flavours though; in fact the one I use routinely is water-based

David

Richard Faulkner wrote:

> Chris Bacon writes
> 
>> Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>> I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt 
>>> floor - it's a kind of shiny black
>>> - and I dont want to risk breaching  the damp proof barrier, nor 
>>> crumbling the floor, by nailing gripperods  down. Is there another 
>>> way, e.g. very sticky gripperods??
>
>> Gripfill.
> 
> Does this glue the carpet down, (which I'm not sure I want), or does it 
> glue the grippers down.


It glues the grippers down. If not nailing down, then pull the short
masonry nails out, squeeze a good bead along the back of the gripper,
and rub it onto the floor (which *must* be clean and not dusty). It's
got quite a good "grab", but you might need to put something like
bricks on if the gripper's bendy. Leave for 24 hrs. min.



>> Once the carpet's been down for an hour or two, grippers just
>> keep the edges down, they're not subject to much "pull". What sort of
>> carpet are you putting down?
> 
> A 6 per yard berber I think


Is that on hessian?

Dave wrote:

> Chris Bacon wrote:
>>Richard Faulkner wrote:
>>>I am carpeting a basement flat which has what looks like an asphalt
>>>floor - it's a kind of shiny black
>>
>>Does not sound like asphalt.
> 
> Sorry to disagree, but it sounds exactly like the asphalt floor I had in my
> previous house.


Haven't seen a shiny one!



> Use the solvent based No More Nails to fix the grippers.


Yes, I forgot to mention that - the other stuff is not as good,
especially for something like this!