What is the minimum type of plans for a smallish rear house extension
(say 5m x 4m etc), to satisfy building and planning control ?
What level of detail is needed on tieing in to the existing building /
windows / roof etc ?
Can a lot be done by "rule of thumb", since these type of small builds
are very common ?
Simon.

Why not ask them. Councils vary.

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> What is the minimum type of plans for a smallish rear house extension
> (say 5m x 4m etc), to satisfy building and planning control ?
> What level of detail is needed on tieing in to the existing building /
> windows / roof etc ?
> Can a lot be done by "rule of thumb", since these type of small builds
> are very common ?
> Simon.


There are 2 ways of dealing with plans for building regs purposes. One way
is to draw detailed plans which specify exactly how it's going to be done,
and get them approved before you start. The other way is to use a Building
Notice - in which case you can agree the detail with the BCO as you go
along. The downside of the second appropach is that costs can escalate if
the BCO insists on something you hadn't planned for.
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Set Square wrote:

> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> sm_jamieson@hotmail.com   wrote:
> 
> 
>>What is the minimum type of plans for a smallish rear house extension
>>(say 5m x 4m etc), to satisfy building and planning control ?
>>What level of detail is needed on tieing in to the existing building /
>>windows / roof etc ?
>>Can a lot be done by "rule of thumb", since these type of small builds
>>are very common ?
>>Simon.
> 
> 
> There are 2 ways of dealing with plans for building regs purposes. One way
> is to draw detailed plans which specify exactly how it's going to be done,
> and get them approved before you start. The other way is to use a Building
> Notice - in which case you can agree the detail with the BCO as you go
> along. The downside of the second appropach is that costs can escalate if
> the BCO insists on something you hadn't planned for.


Don't forget to either submit plans for planning purposes or confirm 
that what ever you are doing does not require planning permission to 
cover yourself.

Alex.

> >
> >
> >>What is the minimum type of plans for a smallish rear house extension
> >>(say 5m x 4m etc), to satisfy building and planning control ?
> >>What level of detail is needed on tieing in to the existing building /
> >>windows / roof etc ?
> >>Can a lot be done by "rule of thumb", since these type of small builds
> >>are very common ?
> >>Simon.
> >
> >
> >


In order to comply with a building control application had to provide:
1. A plan of the existing dwelling.For me this was the ground floor as
it is a single storey extension.
2. A proposed plan.  What you want to do.
3. A location plan. where the building is
4. A plan for the drainage. you guessed it, a plan of the drains.
5. And probably most importantly. A cheque ! Made payable to your local
authority building control department.

Check out your local authority online building control website. They
are pushing for electronic applications, so there is a lot of
information avaliable online.

For Planning, that is a seperate department which you should try to
avoid (if you are within certain constraints you can). The only thing
you might want from them is a certifate of lawfullness for your
extension.

> For Planning, that is a seperate department which you should try to
> avoid (if you are within certain constraints you can). The only thing
> you might want from them is a certifate of lawfullness for your
> extension.



Care to explain that a bit more? AFAIK that only comes into play once a 
place has been built without permission and you want to legitimise it once 
the local authority can no longer take enforcement action. Not getting PP is 
just storing up trouble these days as a declaration will have to be made 
when you come to sell stating that all permissions have been granted and 
copies of them will have to be produced.

Peter Crosland

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Peter Crosland   wrote:


>> For Planning, that is a seperate department which you should try to
>> avoid (if you are within certain constraints you can). The only thing
>> you might want from them is a certifate of lawfullness for your
>> extension.
>
>
> Care to explain that a bit more? AFAIK that only comes into play once
> a place has been built without permission and you want to legitimise
> it once the local authority can no longer take enforcement action.
> Not getting PP is just storing up trouble these days as a declaration
> will have to be made when you come to sell stating that all
> permissions have been granted and copies of them will have to be
> produced.
>
> Peter Crosland


I think the previous poster was referring to a permitted development where -
under certain circumstances - you can add bits to your house without needing
planning permission. But it's still worth getting a formal statement from
the Planners that permission is not required, for the reasons you state.
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:54:08 +0100, "Set Square" 
wrote:


>
>>> extension.


This always bugs me .Some  people know the answers but don't supply
them untill stoked o provoked or untill they want to .. in order to
appear superior. If they know the answer why don't they say so in the
first place, instead of trying  to be the wise ass and interupting a
question not aimed at them.. In short if you know the answer . fcking
answer it and don't try to grab someone elses tail!

>Why not ask them. Councils vary

I've sent off for info packs from from planning and building.
Simon.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
nthng2snet <nospamhere(replacename)@netscape.net>  wrote:


> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:54:08 +0100, "Set Square" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> extension.
>
> This always bugs me .Some  people know the answers but don't supply
> them untill stoked o provoked or untill they want to .. in order to
> appear superior. If they know the answer why don't they say so in the
> first place, instead of trying  to be the wise ass and interupting a
> question not aimed at them.. In short if you know the answer . fcking
> answer it and don't try to grab someone elses tail!


You're obviously having a bad day! Let's hope tomorrow is better.
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> In order to comply with a building control application had to provide:
> 1. A plan of the existing dwelling.For me this was the ground floor as
> it is a single storey extension.
> 2. A proposed plan.  What you want to do.
> 3. A location plan. where the building is
> 4. A plan for the drainage. you guessed it, a plan of the drains.
> 5. And probably most importantly. A cheque ! Made payable to your local
> authority building control department.
>

Did the drawings have to be accurately to scale, or will side
elevations and floor plan with measurements be OK ?
Simon.

On 20 Sep 2005 09:23:07 -0700, a particular chimpanzee named
sm_jamieson@hotmail.com randomly hit the keyboard and produced:


>What is the minimum type of plans for a smallish rear house extension
>(say 5m x 4m etc), to satisfy building and planning control ?
>What level of detail is needed on tieing in to the existing building /
>windows / roof etc ?


Not certain about Planning, but for Building Control, if you're in
England or Wales (or NI too, but I'm not sure), you can submit a
Building Notice (unless you're within 3m of a public sewer).  For this
all you need is a location plan to 1:1250 or 1:2500 scale, usually
available over the counter at the Planning office or from a library.

With this, there is no prior check on your proposals, so you need to
be sure of what's required (i.e., the make-up of the floor slab, roof
structure, levels of insulation, etc.).  The council can ask for
further details such as calculations for beams, etc.  No disrespect,
but given the questions you're asking here, I would suggest that you
get a surveyor (or Architect) to draw up some plans.  It may save you
money in the long run.  Failing that, keep in very close contact with
your BCO.
-- 
Hugo Nebula
  "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
   just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

> No disrespect, but given the questions you're asking here, I would suggest > that you get a surveyor (or Architect) to draw up some plans.

I probably will, not for the pictures, but for the fact that he knows
what not to miss out, which could save a lot of time /money.
The elevation and floor plans for planning permission is a different
matter, quite simple, I will do those. Hardest part will be measuring
the height of the house, when all I want is a single storey extension.
I actually have an acquaintance who's a BCO, so that's good (or not
good depending on when you invite him round !)
Simon.

On 21 Sep 2005 08:55:56 -0700, a particular chimpanzee named
sm_jamieson@hotmail.com randomly hit the keyboard and produced:


>Hardest part will be measuring
>the height of the house, when all I want is a single storey extension.


Measure the height of ten courses of bricks, divide by ten, then
multiply by the number of bricks.  Unless it's rendered...
-- 
Hugo Nebula
  "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
   just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

nthng2snet wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:54:08 +0100, "Set Square" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>extension.
> 
> 
> This always bugs me .Some  people know the answers but don't supply
> them untill stoked o provoked or untill they want to .. in order to
> appear superior. If they know the answer why don't they say so in the
> first place, instead of trying  to be the wise ass and interupting a
> question not aimed at them.. In short if you know the answer . fcking
> answer it and don't try to grab someone elses tail!


What are you on about??