Hi,

read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas
fitting and competence.

What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
equivalent bayonet fitting.

However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
cooker fitted by a Corgi person.

So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?

This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
standing cooker for the next six months.
I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
I would prefer gas.
However if it is going to cost me £40-£60 extra to have the gas
cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.

Cheers
Dave R

P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
valid email address to confirm subscription.

On 20 Sep,  
     "David WE Roberts (Google)"  wrote:



> What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
> cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
> hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
> equivalent bayonet fitting.
> 
> However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
> without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
> cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
> 
> So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?
> 
> This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
> standing cooker for the next six months.
> I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
> I would prefer gas.
> However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
> cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.


Would cost for electric too (part P).

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David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:

> P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
> Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
> valid email address to confirm subscription.


Set up a hotmail account. You might get some abuse from :::Jerry::: but
then, who gives a s**t.

MBQ

me9@privacy.net wrote:

> On 20 Sep,  
>      "David WE Roberts (Google)"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
>>cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
>>hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
>>equivalent bayonet fitting.
>>
>>However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
>>without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
>>cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
>>
>>So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?
>>
>>This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
>>standing cooker for the next six months.
>>I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
>>I would prefer gas.
>>However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
>>cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.
> 
> 
> Would cost for electric too (part P).
> 

True.  In fact, it would be entirely legal to do the whole gas install 
whereas to DIY an electric would not (unless you were to submit a 
building notice which would cost a fair bit more than getting a gas 
fitter in).

On the other hand, I would be happier installing electric without Part-P 
compliance than do the gas work myself.

On 20 Sep 2005 07:25:30 -0700, "David WE Roberts (Google)"
 wrote:


>Hi,
>
>read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas
>fitting and competence.
>
>What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
>cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
>hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
>equivalent bayonet fitting.
>
>However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
>without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
>cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
>
>So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?


All the cookers I have seen come without hose.

However, you can buy a hose and GAS PTFE tape for about 12 in B&Q, no
questions asked.

Last gas cooker I bought (Earlier this year) came from currys.co.uk
and although they offered the Currys installation service (At a cost)
I declined and the cooker was duly delivered.

At no time was it mentioned that I couldn't but a cooker to install
myself.

Slightly OT, but a tip for if you decide to go this route yourself:
When tightening the hose (With a spanner) grasp the thing it goes into
with large molegrips. Invariably the metal it's mounted on is very
thin..it can twist and break the metal pipes that attach to it.

sponix

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:15:43 +0100, Richard Conway 
wrott a 


>On the other hand, I would be happier installing electric without Part-P 
>compliance than do the gas work myself.


Completely O/T but why?

People are as a rule unhappy to do gas work themselves but think
nothing of doing water pipes. Gas pipes ain't rocket science.

A poorly installed water pipe could burst in your loft, bring down the
bedroom ceiling and kill you just as terminally as a gas leak while
you sleep!

sponix

David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:


> However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
> without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
> cooker fitted by a Corgi person.


Alternatively:

http://www.bes.ltd.uk

Order codes: 6032, 6963, and 11721 ought to do the gas side of things!

Note that with cookers there are more requirements that just getting a 
gas tight connection. These include things like fitting the anti tip 
bracket or chain, and also ensuring the room has adequate ventilation 
for an unflued appliance like a cooker.


> So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?


IME yes, but it is years since I bought a new one so things may have 
changed.


> However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
> cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.


Sparks don't come free either ;-)

(at least that is one benefit of part P - now fitting any type of cooker 
is shrouded in red tape, you only need choose which bit to ignore ;-)


> P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
> Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
> valid email address to confirm subscription.


Can you change it once setup?

Failing that create a temporary account with gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc or 
switch to using the proper news feed from your ISP (if they have one) 
and a newsreader program since it will work better anyway.


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David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:

> read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas
> fitting and competence.
> 
> What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
> cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
> hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
> equivalent bayonet fitting.


Is your gas point a bayonet type? If so, just buy a second-hand
cooker that plugs in.

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

> Completely O/T but why?


Er...I don't know.  I guess I'm just a victim of CORGI propaganda! 
Maybe I'll have a go one day.


> People are as a rule unhappy to do gas work themselves but think
> nothing of doing water pipes. Gas pipes ain't rocket science.


Except for the ones carrying gas on rockets.


> A poorly installed water pipe could burst in your loft, bring down the
> bedroom ceiling and kill you just as terminally as a gas leak while
> you sleep!


It would have to be very poorly installed as no plumbing goes anywhere 
near my bedroom ceiling!

I do see your point though, and I suppose if you test all joints with 
leak detection spray and carry out a soundness check then you can be 
pretty much certain of no leaks.

Okay you talked me into it - but I'll come looking for you when I blow 
my house up!


> sponix


Richard.

Chris Bacon wrote:

> David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:
> 
>> read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas
>> fitting and competence.
>>
>> What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
>> cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
>> hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
>> equivalent bayonet fitting.
> 
> 
> Is your gas point a bayonet type? If so, just buy a second-hand
> cooker that plugs in.


If you buy a second-hand cooker, what guarantee is there that the
connection of hose to cooker is sound?

I bought a cooker last year which came without a hose. I connected the
hose myself, checked for leaks with washing up liquid, leaving it for a
while and sniffing. That didn't prove there was no leak, but it did tell
me that any leak was sufficiently small not to matter to me,
particularly given the space was reasonably well ventilated. I checked
the gas meter overnight and it didn't move. I also checked it on several
subsequent occasions.

Sometime later, to appease my father-in-law, I got a corgiman who was
doing some other work for me to check it for me. It was, of course,
absolutely fine. A manometer is on my birthday list.

Ben

me9@privacy.net wrote:

> On 20 Sep,  
>      "David WE Roberts (Google)"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
>>cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
>>hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
>>equivalent bayonet fitting.
>>
>>However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
>>without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
>>cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
>>
>>So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?
>>
>>This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
>>standing cooker for the next six months.
>>I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
>>I would prefer gas.
>>However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
>>cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.
> 
> 
> Would cost for electric too (part P).
> 


I thought connecting a cooker to an existing electrical point was
outside the scope of part P, in the same way as rewiring a plug on a kettle.

Ben

Ben Blaukopf wrote:

> me9@privacy.net wrote:
> 
>>On 20 Sep,  
>>     "David WE Roberts (Google)"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
>>>cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
>>>hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
>>>equivalent bayonet fitting.
>>>
>>>However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
>>>without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
>>>cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
>>>
>>>So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?
>>>
>>>This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
>>>standing cooker for the next six months.
>>>I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
>>>I would prefer gas.
>>>However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
>>>cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.
>>
>>
>>Would cost for electric too (part P).
>>
> 
> 
> I thought connecting a cooker to an existing electrical point was
> outside the scope of part P, in the same way as rewiring a plug on a kettle.
> 
> Ben


But a cooker is a fixed appliance - and it is in the kitchen (I would 
assume)

Richard Conway wrote:


> Okay you talked me into it - but I'll come looking for you when I blow 
> my house up!


No, we will come looking for (bits of) you ;-)


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John Rumm wrote:

> Richard Conway wrote:
> 
>> Okay you talked me into it - but I'll come looking for you when I blow 
>> my house up!
> 
> 
> No, we will come looking for (bits of) you ;-)
> 
> 

Aha, but if I'm out while it happens I won't even have to look for you 
as I will come home to find you routing through the rubble looking for 
my bits!

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:59:24 +0100, Ben Blaukopf
 scrawled:


>I thought connecting a cooker to an existing electrical point was
>outside the scope of part P, in the same way as rewiring a plug on a kettle.
>

Correct.
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David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:


> So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?


Don't think so...


> P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
> Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
> valid email address to confirm subscription.


Just set up a dedicated hotmail account and use that (like what I've 
done).  I check it once in a blue moon in case anyone's emailed direct, 
me off the newsgroup, but you can just leave it and it will lapse after 
a month, whereupon the account vanishes and any mail to it is returned 
undelivered (but doesn't affect your google 'account'.

(I normally read/post using a newsreader, but I still keep that 
configured with my dodgy hotmail address, so I can post interchangeably 
with google groups if ever necessary)

David

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

> All the cookers I have seen come without hose.
>
> However, you can buy a hose and GAS PTFE tape for about 12 in B&Q, no
> questions asked.
>
> Last gas cooker I bought (Earlier this year) came from currys.co.uk
> and although they offered the Currys installation service (At a cost)
> I declined and the cooker was duly delivered.
>
> At no time was it mentioned that I couldn't but a cooker to install
> myself.


Exactly my experience.  Currys quoted 80 + VAT for a CORGI guy.  I also
bought the hose & gas tape in B&Q.  Currys did tell me it was illegal to
install myself though.

Also tried to sell me a 3 year warranty.  I explained that if it went wrong
inside 3 years I'd be back to complain that it wasn't of merchantable
quality.   Whoosh!  Straight over head - obviously never heard of the Sale
Of Good Act.

Dave

Richard Conway wrote:


> Aha, but if I'm out while it happens I won't even have to look for you 
> as I will come home to find you routing through the rubble looking for 
> my bits!


Do you leave "your bits" at home when you go out then? ;-)


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"david lang"  wrote in message 
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> s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:
>> All the cookers I have seen come without hose.
>>
>> However, you can buy a hose and GAS PTFE tape for about 12 in B&Q, no
>> questions asked.
>>
>> Last gas cooker I bought (Earlier this year) came from currys.co.uk
>> and although they offered the Currys installation service (At a cost)
>> I declined and the cooker was duly delivered.
>>
>> At no time was it mentioned that I couldn't but a cooker to install
>> myself.
>
> Exactly my experience.  Currys quoted 80 + VAT for a CORGI guy.  I also
> bought the hose & gas tape in B&Q.  Currys did tell me it was illegal to
> install myself though.


Only if you were paying yourself to do it.

80 is a bit steep - a 12 hose and 68 for 10 minutes labour.

Bob

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> > P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
> > Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
> > valid email address to confirm subscription.
>
> Can you change it once setup?
>
> Failing that create a temporary account with gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc or
> switch to using the proper news feed from your ISP (if they have one)
> and a newsreader program since it will work better anyway.


You may note that I usually use a proper newsreader (or IE).

I don't have Usenet access from work so the only way to post a query seems
to be Google Groups.

There doesn't seem to be a way to change it; they should really allow a
verification account and hide your real email address.

Most sensible Usenet users use a sink for the email address (like
nospam@talk21.com).

Ho hum.

David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:


> 
> P.S. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google
> Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a
> valid email address to confirm subscription.


www.mailinator.com




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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:25:30 -0700, David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:


> Hi,
> 
> read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas
> fitting and competence.
> 
> What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas
> cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a
> hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an
> equivalent bayonet fitting.
> 
> However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come
> without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the
> cooker fitted by a Corgi person.
> 
> So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?
> 
> This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free
> standing cooker for the next six months.
> I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen.
> I would prefer gas.
> However if it is going to cost me 40-60 extra to have the gas
> cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave R


I am surprised that a new cooker is supplied with a pre-installed gas hose.
The hose is missing not to "force" you to employ a registered installer
but to ensure that the process of installation will contain 'gas work', as
defined by the the gas regs. 



-- 
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The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk 
Gas fitting FAQ  http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:02:17 +0100, "David W.E. Roberts"
 scrawled:


>You may note that I usually use a proper newsreader (or IE).
>

That made me laugh! 'Proper' and 'IE' in the same sentence.
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In article <dgpbbf$34a$1@fair.qualcomm.com>,
	Ben Blaukopf  writes:

> A manometer is on my birthday list.


You must be very easy to please.
I don't imagine mine cost more than about 20p to make.

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John Rumm wrote:

> Richard Conway wrote:
> 
>> Aha, but if I'm out while it happens I won't even have to look for you 
>> as I will come home to find you routing through the rubble looking for 
>> my bits!
> 
> 
> Do you leave "your bits" at home when you go out then? ;-)
> 
> 

No, my bits will be with me, you will just think they are at home (in 
the rubble)

David W.E. Roberts wrote:

> You may note that I usually use a proper newsreader (or IE).


:) I like that lots!