I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?

Anyone know?

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John Cartmell wrote:

> I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a
> degree of obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how
> much does it cost, how well does it work, and can it be easily
> removed and re-applied?


You're thinking of transluscent vinyl that gives the effect of etched glass?

Available from sign makers suppliers - just ask for frosted effect vinyl.
It's not expensive. It works very well and is available in a number of
shades to give different effects. It can be easily removed but once removed
cannot be easily re-used.

In article , 
john@cartmell.demon.co.uk says...

> I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
> obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
> well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
> 
> Anyone know?
> 

Google 
frosted window film
or
privacy window film

John Cartmell wrote:

> I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
> obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
> well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?


Halfords
<http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101436&ts=52545&id=34668>
<http://www.windowfilm.co.uk/>
<http://www.brume.co.uk/>

Haven't used any of them but intend to one day when my tuits are 
circular enough...

David

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:52 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
>obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
>well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
>
>Anyone know?


This any good?

http://www.hainteriors.com/decorative/window.html

Focus DIY sell it. 

http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/icat/c130311

You can take it off but I doubt if it would go back on the same.

DG

In article ,
   Derek ^  wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:52 +0100, John Cartmell
>  wrote:

> >I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
> >obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
> >well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
> >
> >Anyone know?

> This any good?

> http://www.hainteriors.com/decorative/window.html

> Focus DIY sell it. 

> http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/icat/c130311

> You can take it off but I doubt if it would go back on the same.


Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any form of
adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
obscure effect for when I'm not there.

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"John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
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>
> Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any 
> form of
> adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply 
> because
> there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & 
> replaceable
> as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want 
> the
> obscure effect for when I'm not there.
>

Like, say, a translucent lightweight fabric, that you could hang on some 
mechanism that enabled it to be pushed to one side, or pulled across the 
window.  Damn, someone's already thought of net curtains.  Surprisingly 
effective.


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John Cartmell wrote:


> there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
> as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
> obscure effect for when I'm not there.


How often?  I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything which will
survive regular removal and replacement (unless you mean remove and
trash, then replace with new; but that would be v expensive).

How about fixing (in effect) secondary double-glazing panels made of
smoked acrylic or something, that you can affix/remove?  Or net 
curtains(!?)  ;-)

David

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:37:37 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any form of
>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
>obscure effect for when I'm not there.


Terribly out of fashion - but how about a net curtain?
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John Cartmell  wrote:


>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any form of
>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
>obscure effect for when I'm not there.


Hammer a few nails into the window frame and hang a few supermarket
carrier bags in strategic spots.

Alternatively for a plastic and nail free solution leave a kettle
boiling in the room and hope that the window gets covered in
condensation

Handy hints from the VIZ DIY team ;-)


How about a semi transparent roller blind?

Or a secondary/tertiary glazing frame with frosted acrylic attached by
velcro or magnetic strip.





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"Nick Atty"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:37:37 +0100, John Cartmell
>  wrote:
>
>>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any 
>>form of
>>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
>>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & 
>>replaceable
>>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
>>obscure effect for when I'm not there.
>
> Terribly out of fashion - but how about a net curtain?


IN fashion are muslin drapes.

Mary

John Cartmell wrote:

> I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
> obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
> well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
> 
> Anyone know?
> 

I am looking for something that I can stick to the outside of the glass 
for the same reason. There is not much of a problem with some one 
peeling it off, as it is on a school classroom outside door window.
Once again, it has to go on the outside, as it should provide some sort 
of heat blanket from the sun that shines on this door.

Dave

Who is not sure how well Fablon works in the real world of outside  :-)

John Cartmell wrote:

>
> Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include
> any form of adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the
> glass simply because there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need
> to be removable & replaceable as I'd go mad working in a room that I
> couldn't see out of - but want the obscure effect for when I'm not
> there.


If you have deep pockets (and believe me, you'd need them) you could use
smart glass.

A quick google turned up http://www.armorusa.com/Privacy%20Glass.htm as a
USA supplier. I have a colleague who sells the stuff in the UK.

n message , shaun 
 writes

>John Cartmell wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include
>> any form of adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the
>> glass simply because there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need
>> to be removable & replaceable as I'd go mad working in a room that I
>> couldn't see out of - but want the obscure effect for when I'm not
>> there.
>
>If you have deep pockets (and believe me, you'd need them) you could use
>smart glass.
>
>A quick google turned up http://www.armorusa.com/Privacy%20Glass.htm as a
>USA supplier. I have a colleague who sells the stuff in the UK.
>


OK until you get a power cut

-- 
geoff

In article ,
   John Cartmell  wrote:

> Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any
> form of adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass
> simply because there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be
> removable & replaceable as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't
> see out of - but want the obscure effect for when I'm not there.


I'd say you need to make up some form of clip in perspex - or similar -
frosted panels. Any thin frosted sheet wouldn't survive re-use.

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In article <432f20ee$0$5853$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, 
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...

> 
> "Nick Atty"  wrote in message 
> news:jf5ui1tccpb0kobl8nmfdend0tt4dlkde6@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:37:37 +0100, John Cartmell
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any 
> >>form of
> >>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
> >>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & 
> >>replaceable
> >>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
> >>obscure effect for when I'm not there.
> >
> > Terribly out of fashion - but how about a net curtain?
> 
> IN fashion are muslin drapes.
> 

I think they're only in fashion if you call them voiles  :-)

In uk.d-i-y, John Cartmell wrote:

>In article ,
>   Derek ^  wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:52 +0100, John Cartmell
>>  wrote:
>
>> >I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
>> >obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it
>> >cost, how
>> >well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
>> >
>> >Anyone know?
>
>> This any good?
>
>> http://www.hainteriors.com/decorative/window.html
>
>> Focus DIY sell it.
>
>> http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/icat/c130311
>
>> You can take it off but I doubt if it would go back on the same.
>
>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any form of
>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
>obscure effect for when I'm not there.


Would a slatted (venetian or vertical) blind be too expensive or too
much trouble? It sounds like it will do everything you want.

-- 
Mike Barnes

In article <1tlt7St1h8LDFwLR@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>, Mike Barnes
 wrote:

> In uk.d-i-y, John Cartmell wrote:
> >In article , Derek ^
> >    wrote:
> >> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:52 +0100, John Cartmell
> >>  wrote:
> >
> >> >I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a
> >> >degree of obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much
> >> >does it cost, how well does it work, and can it be easily removed and
> >> >re-applied?
> >> >
> >> >Anyone know?
> >
> >> This any good?
> >
> >> http://www.hainteriors.com/decorative/window.html
> >
> >> Focus DIY sell it.
> >
> >> http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/icat/c130311
> >
> >> You can take it off but I doubt if it would go back on the same.
> >
> >Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any
> >form of adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply
> >because there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable &
> >replaceable as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of -
> >but want the obscure effect for when I'm not there.

> Would a slatted (venetian or vertical) blind be too expensive or too much
> trouble? It sounds like it will do everything you want.


A (recycled) vertical blind was on the planning sheet but my daughter has
decided that she'd like them to remain where they are in her new room (my
ex-office) and I've already spent my budget.

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John Cartmell wrote:

> In article <1tlt7St1h8LDFwLR@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>, Mike Barnes
>  wrote:

>>Would a slatted (venetian or vertical) blind be too expensive or too much
>>trouble? It sounds like it will do everything you want.
> 
> 
> A (recycled) vertical blind was on the planning sheet but my daughter has
> decided that she'd like them to remain where they are in her new room (my
> ex-office) and I've already spent my budget.


www.additionsdirect.co.uk do them at a pretty reasonable price... and 
don't underestimate the cost of the obscure film you were originally 
asking about, cos that ain't cheap (and even less so if you want to keep 
pulling it on and off!)

David

John Cartmell wrote:


> Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any form of
> adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply because
> there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable & replaceable
> as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want the
> obscure effect for when I'm not there.


Easy. Shower curtain.


NT

In article ,
    wrote:

> John Cartmell wrote:

> > Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any
> > form of adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply
> > because there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable
> > & replaceable as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of
> > - but want the obscure effect for when I'm not there.

> Easy. Shower curtain.


I do like people who can think outside the box! Thanks. ;-)

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"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
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> In article <432f20ee$0$5853$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
>>
>> "Nick Atty"  wrote in message
>> news:jf5ui1tccpb0kobl8nmfdend0tt4dlkde6@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:37:37 +0100, John Cartmell
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks everybody. I am looking for a solution that doesn't include any
>> >>form of
>> >>adhesive - ie where the plastic film attaches to the glass simply 
>> >>because
>> >>there are two flat, clean surfaces. It does need to be removable &
>> >>replaceable
>> >>as I'd go mad working in a room that I couldn't see out of - but want 
>> >>the
>> >>obscure effect for when I'm not there.
>> >
>> > Terribly out of fashion - but how about a net curtain?
>>
>> IN fashion are muslin drapes.
>>
> I think they're only in fashion if you call them voiles  :-)


Oh no - that's frightfully pass ...

Mary

"Matt"  wrote in message 
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> John Cartmell  wrote:

>
> Alternatively for a plastic and nail free solution leave a kettle
> boiling in the room and hope that the window gets covered in
> condensation


Or breathe heavily ...

In article <432ff518$0$32458$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
   Mary Fisher  wrote:


> "Matt"  wrote in message 
> news:r78ui1lkaqsbluin7avia61hqc7l95t61p@4ax.com...
> > John Cartmell  wrote:

> >
> > Alternatively for a plastic and nail free solution leave a kettle
> > boiling in the room and hope that the window gets covered in
> > condensation

> Or breathe heavily ...



HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!

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"John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
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>
>> >
>> > Alternatively for a plastic and nail free solution leave a kettle
>> > boiling in the room and hope that the window gets covered in
>> > condensation
>
>> Or breathe heavily ...
>
>
> HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!


There! That did it :-)

(we'll have to stop meeting like this)

Mary

>

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:11:54 +0000 (UTC), Dave
 wrote:


>John Cartmell wrote:
>> I assume that it's possible to obtain plastic film that will add a degree of
>> obscurity to plain glass. But where can you get it, how much does it cost, how
>> well does it work, and can it be easily removed and re-applied?
>> 
>> Anyone know?
>> 
>I am looking for something that I can stick to the outside of the glass 
>for the same reason. There is not much of a problem with some one 
>peeling it off, as it is on a school classroom outside door window.
>Once again, it has to go on the outside, as it should provide some sort 
>of heat blanket from the sun that shines on this door.


Your local authority should be able to provide that. When we had
building work going on in the playground all the windows had this film
applied to stop the pupils looking at (and in some cases ogling the
builders) The film has the secondary effect of keeping the rooms
cooler.

BeeJay wrote:


> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:11:54 +0000 (UTC), Dave
>  wrote:

>>I am looking for something that I can stick to the outside of the glass 
>>for the same reason. There is not much of a problem with some one 
>>peeling it off, as it is on a school classroom outside door window.
>>Once again, it has to go on the outside, as it should provide some sort 
>>of heat blanket from the sun that shines on this door.
> 
> 
> Your local authority should be able to provide that. When we had
> building work going on in the playground all the windows had this film
> applied to stop the pupils looking at (and in some cases ogling the
> builders) The film has the secondary effect of keeping the rooms
> cooler.


We had that on the hangar doors when I worked full time :-)

How much heat does it cut out as a percentage? This door is double 
glazed, so any heat must be killed off before it gets into the window.

Dave