Hi All

We've just moved house and being a bit conscious of the fact that
anyone could have keys to the house I want to replace the locks on all
doors, two PVC doors included.

The locks on these seem integral to the door and don't appear to be
Chubb, Yale etc.. Are these actually replaceable without replacing the
whole door?

Many thanks for any advice/guidance!
Cheers
Harry

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niavasha@gmail.com says...

> Hi All
> 
> We've just moved house and being a bit conscious of the fact that
> anyone could have keys to the house I want to replace the locks on all
> doors, two PVC doors included.
> 
> The locks on these seem integral to the door and don't appear to be
> Chubb, Yale etc.. Are these actually replaceable without replacing the
> whole door?
> 

Do they look like these?

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=100224&ts=35885&id=78807

niavasha wrote:


> We've just moved house and being a bit conscious of the fact that
> anyone could have keys to the house I want to replace the locks on all
> doors, two PVC doors included.
> 
> The locks on these seem integral to the door and don't appear to be
> Chubb, Yale etc.. Are these actually replaceable without replacing the
> whole door?


These locks usually have replaceable cylinders, because the actual 
locking mechanism is essentially integral and not replaceable.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=100224&ts=52384&id=52899

is a typical replacement cylinder. However, there is an important caveat
when replacing uPVC door cylinders: the doors are often asymmetrical, 
which means one end of the cylinder must be longer than the other. 
You'll need to remove the cylinder on your door and measure it up.

The cylinder is held in by a long screw which is exposed on the edge of 
the door. It should be obvious which it is, because it lines up with the 
cylinder itself. Just remove the screw and the cylinder should just push 
out.

Don't forget that any competant locksmith should be able to make up 
multiple cylinders for the same key - could be a convenient option.

M

Mark wrote:


> http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=100224&ts=52384&id=52899
> 
> is a typical replacement cylinder. However, there is an important caveat
> when replacing uPVC door cylinders: the doors are often asymmetrical, 
> which means one end of the cylinder must be longer than the other. 
> You'll need to remove the cylinder on your door and measure it up.
> 
> The cylinder is held in by a long screw which is exposed on the edge of 
> the door. It should be obvious which it is, because it lines up with the 
> cylinder itself. Just remove the screw [*] and the cylinder should just push 
> out.


[*] But there is a slight 'trick' just here which you didn't mention and 
would no doubt trap the unwary... before you push out the cylinder you 
need to insert the key and turn it a few degrees (I forget which 
direction); this makes the little black tab which you can see in the 
screwfix image retract into the body of the cylinder so it slides out. 
ie, it's not actually possible to slide out the cylinder without a key 
in the lock.

David

key in lock and turn to 11 o"clock,euro barrel will then slide out

Lobster wrote:

> Mark wrote:
>
> > http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=100224&ts=52384&id=52899
> >
> > is a typical replacement cylinder. However, there is an important caveat
> > when replacing uPVC door cylinders: the doors are often asymmetrical,
> > which means one end of the cylinder must be longer than the other.
> > You'll need to remove the cylinder on your door and measure it up.
> >
> > The cylinder is held in by a long screw which is exposed on the edge of
> > the door. It should be obvious which it is, because it lines up with the
> > cylinder itself. Just remove the screw [*] and the cylinder should just push
> > out.
>
> [*] But there is a slight 'trick' just here which you didn't mention and
> would no doubt trap the unwary... before you push out the cylinder you
> need to insert the key and turn it a few degrees (I forget which
> direction); this makes the little black tab which you can see in the
> screwfix image retract into the body of the cylinder so it slides out.
> ie, it's not actually possible to slide out the cylinder without a key
> in the lock.
>
> David



on this subject could anyone help me out;

my sister in law moved recently, her new house has a upvc patio door it
is locked shut but there is no key for it, a window fitter who replaced
her other windows told her to 'drill it out', has anyone done this? if
so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the lock?

thanks

andy

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	andrewd909@tesco.net writes:

> on this subject could anyone help me out;
> 
> my sister in law moved recently, her new house has a upvc patio door it
> is locked shut but there is no key for it, a window fitter who replaced
> her other windows told her to 'drill it out', has anyone done this? if
> so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the lock?


Yes, a locksmith will have a tool for snapping the cylinder
in half, which is how they get jammed locked ones out. Only
takes a few seconds, but will require a call-out and a new
cylinder.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

niavasha wrote:

> Hi All
>
> We've just moved house and being a bit conscious of the fact that
> anyone could have keys to the house I want to replace the locks on all
> doors, two PVC doors included.
>
> The locks on these seem integral to the door and don't appear to be
> Chubb, Yale etc.. Are these actually replaceable without replacing the
> whole door?
>
> Many thanks for any advice/guidance!
> Cheers
> Harry


Be sure to get a 6 pin anti drill replacement, not the screwfix junk.
It will affect your house insurance.

NT

andrewd...@tesco.net wrote:


> on this subject could anyone help me out;
>
> my sister in law moved recently, her new house has a upvc patio door it
> is locked shut but there is no key for it, a window fitter who replaced
> her other windows told her to 'drill it out', has anyone done this? if
> so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the lock?
>
> thanks
>
> andy


Driling it is the easiest way. Just drill in where the key goes, dont
push as the bit breaks in or it'll jam. Now the lock will turn as if it
had a key in it.


NT

meow2222@care2.com wrote:

> niavasha wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > We've just moved house and being a bit conscious of the fact that
> > anyone could have keys to the house I want to replace the locks on all
> > doors, two PVC doors included.
> >
> > The locks on these seem integral to the door and don't appear to be
> > Chubb, Yale etc.. Are these actually replaceable without replacing the
> > whole door?
> >
> > Many thanks for any advice/guidance!
> > Cheers
> > Harry
>
> Be sure to get a 6 pin anti drill replacement, not the screwfix junk.
> It will affect your house insurance.


Not necessarily. My insurers (eSure) do not mandate any particular
requirements for lock type/quality, or even that any are fitted.

However, they do offer a (measly) discount if all door/window locks are
fitted to the relevant BS however I imagine that if this option were
taken then they'd wriggle out of any claim if, for example, someone
were to break in through a window that happened to be unlocked at the
time.

Mathew

meow2222@care2.com Wrote: 

> andrewd...@tesco.net wrote:
> -
> on this subject could anyone help me out;
> 
> my sister in law moved recently, her new house has a upvc patio door
> it
> is locked shut but there is no key for it, a window fitter who
> replaced
> her other windows told her to 'drill it out', has anyone done this?
> if
> so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the
> lock?
> 
> thanks
> 
> andy-
> 
> Driling it is the easiest way. Just drill in where the key goes, dont
> push as the bit breaks in or it'll jam. Now the lock will turn as if
> it
> had a key in it.
> 
> 
> NT


So what size drill bit should be used? I have the same problem with one
of my windows which I have never opened since I've lived there!


-- 
Cordless Crazy

Cordless Crazy wrote:

> meow2222@care2.com Wrote:
> > andrewd...@tesco.net wrote:

> > if
> > so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the
> > lock?

> > Driling it is the easiest way. Just drill in where the key goes, dont
> > push as the bit breaks in or it'll jam. Now the lock will turn as if
> > it
> > had a key in it.


> So what size drill bit should be used? I have the same problem with one
> of my windows which I have never opened since I've lived there!


/sticks wet finger in air... 4 or 5mm?? 


NT

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> andrewd909 writes:
>>my sister in law moved recently, her new house has a upvc patio door it
>>is locked shut but there is no key for it, a window fitter who replaced
>>her other windows told her to 'drill it out', has anyone done this? if
>>so what are the pitfalls or is there an easier way to remove the lock?
 >
> Yes, a locksmith will have a tool for snapping the cylinder
> in half, which is how they get jammed locked ones out.


What tool would that be? Are you talking about a slide hammer? That
might not be a good idea, especially in a plastic door. If I were
andrewd909 I'd get a locksmith (a proper one) to look at it. There
may be anti-tamper features which will make drilling, etc. likely
to spoil the thing. If it were me, I'd just pick it, and see how
it comes apart when it's open - back to the locksmith for andrewd909
I reckon!