I've got no RCCB protection at all in my new home. (Recently built 
apartment)

I'm thinking of changing out the MCB for an RCBO - not a difficult job, 
and there's plenty of space in the CU.

But, is this a part P notifiable job?

I've looked through the part P guides but am a bit confused as it says 
that 'replacing' is not notifiable except in certain areas.

Hopefully, someone here can clarify.

M

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:23:45 +0000 (UTC), Mark
 wrote:


>I've got no RCCB protection at all in my new home. (Recently built 
>apartment)
>
>I'm thinking of changing out the MCB for an RCBO - not a difficult job, 
>and there's plenty of space in the CU.


*The* MCB?   Normally there are several - one for each circuit - or
were you referring to the main incoming switch?

You can replace individual circuit MCBs with RCBOs (they are combined
MCB and RCD).  However, each is two DIN positions as opposed to one
and rather more expensive.

An alternative is to split the consumer unit and fit a 30MA RCD part
way across, keeping the MCBs.   Typically lighting and essential power
circuits for freezers etc. are connected upstream of the RCD and
circuits where portable appliances to be used outside might be
connected are downstream.



>
>But, is this a part P notifiable job?

Yes.

>
>I've looked through the part P guides but am a bit confused as it says 
>that 'replacing' is not notifiable except in certain areas.


This one is.


>
>Hopefully, someone here can clarify.
>
>M


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Andy Hall wrote:


> *The* MCB?   Normally there are several - one for each circuit - or
> were you referring to the main incoming switch?
> 


LOL. Oops. I mean the MCB for the flat ring main.

I'm quite happy to leave the kitchen ring/lights/etc. unprotected, which 
doesn't actually leave very much that otherwise needs protection.


> 
> An alternative is to split the consumer unit and fit a 30MA RCD part
> way across, keeping the MCBs.   Typically lighting and essential power
> circuits for freezers etc. are connected upstream of the RCD and
> circuits where portable appliances to be used outside might be
> connected are downstream.


I thought of this, but there's already an off-peak supply in the CU, and 
I could imagine running out of bus bars if I wanted to split the supply. 
  Besides, the only other circuit that would warrant protection is the 
immersion heater. A split load for 2 circuits? Well, i suppose it is an 
option.

> 
>>But, is this a part P notifiable job?
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 

Cheers. Will put a bit more thought into things before jumping in.

M

Andy Hall wrote:


> MCB and RCD).  However, each is two DIN positions as opposed to one
> and rather more expensive.


There are some single width ones, but these tend to be double height. 
Hence not all CUs are tall enough to take them.

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In article , Andy Hall
<andyh@hall.nospam> writes

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:23:45 +0000 (UTC), Mark
> wrote:
>
>>I've got no RCCB protection at all in my new home. (Recently built 
>>apartment)
>>
>>I'm thinking of changing out the MCB for an RCBO - not a difficult job, 
>>and there's plenty of space in the CU.
>
>*The* MCB?   Normally there are several - one for each circuit - or
>were you referring to the main incoming switch?
>
>You can replace individual circuit MCBs with RCBOs (they are combined
>MCB and RCD).  However, each is two DIN positions as opposed to one
>and rather more expensive.


May I beg leave to ask me 'learned friend whether one DIN way one's
exist as I seem to remember seeing them around????
-- 
Tony Sayer

In article ,
	tony sayer  writes:

>In article , Andy Hall
><andyh@hall.nospam> writes
>>You can replace individual circuit MCBs with RCBOs (they are combined
>>MCB and RCD).  However, each is two DIN positions as opposed to one
>>and rather more expensive.
>
>May I beg leave to ask me 'learned friend whether one DIN way one's
>exist as I seem to remember seeing them around????


Yes they do. Depends on manufacturer.
I have used those from MK and Eaton (formerly MEM).

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

Mark wrote:


>   Besides, the only other circuit that would warrant protection is the
> immersion heater. A split load for 2 circuits? Well, i suppose it is an
> option.


I would not put an immersion on an RCD. If the RCD is shared its asking
for trouble. And it really gains nothing in safety terms. Contrary to
popular assumption its quite ok for a split immersion heater to pass
the heating current straight through the water. Its very common, and
no-one gets injured this way.

Those without understnading of the subject never believe it, but tis
so. And it happens commonly.


NT

In article ,
meow2222@care2.com writes

>Mark wrote:
>
>>   Besides, the only other circuit that would warrant protection is the
>> immersion heater. A split load for 2 circuits? Well, i suppose it is an
>> option.
>
>I would not put an immersion on an RCD. If the RCD is shared its asking
>for trouble. And it really gains nothing in safety terms. Contrary to
>popular assumption its quite ok for a split immersion heater to pass
>the heating current straight through the water. Its very common, and
>no-one gets injured this way.
>
>Those without understnading of the subject never believe it, but tis
>so. And it happens commonly.
>
>
>NT
>


FWIW we have Four houses on whole system RCD's and only once in the last
five years has an immersion heather caused a trip and that was because
it was corroded quite badly. 

On one place where their wasn't there was a severe overheat as the
element had shorted to earth and had welded up the thermostat with it.

Consider the RCD an early warning device;)......
-- 
Tony Sayer