<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4258928.stm>

A man has been arrested after he was thought to be acting suspiciously
on a Manchester to London train, Thames Valley police have said.

The man, described as in his 20s and of Asian appearance, was arrested
after armed police boarded the train at Milton Keynes station at about
2035BST.

Specialist officers were examining the man's luggage.

They had been alerted about an hour earlier. The station was evacuated
but reopened about 2220 BST.

Passengers had been taken off the train, which had been due at
London's Euston station at 2030BST.

Once the station reopened, delays of 90 minutes were expected,
National Rail said.

The route affected was between London Euston, Milton Keynes Central,
Northampton, Rugby, Birmingham New Street, Crewe, Manchester
Piccadilly and Liverpool Lime Street.

Silverlink and Virgin trains would be affected.


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"Neil Sunderland"  wrote in message 
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4258928.stm>
>
> A man has been arrested after he was thought to be acting suspiciously
> on a Manchester to London train, Thames Valley police have said.
>
> The man, described as in his 20s and of Asian appearance, was arrested
> after armed police boarded the train at Milton Keynes station at about
> 2035BST.
>
> Specialist officers were examining the man's luggage.
>
> They had been alerted about an hour earlier. The station was evacuated
> but reopened about 2220 BST.
>
> Passengers had been taken off the train, which had been due at
> London's Euston station at 2030BST.
>


It seems that 1A52 was held at Hanslope Jn awaiting the arrival of Armed TVP 
officers.

On arrival into platform 4 the person was arrested and Bomb Squad personel 
were tasked to explore the contents of his Rucksack which was still aboard 
the train.

KW

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:02:46 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>It seems that 1A52 was held at Hanslope Jn awaiting the arrival of Armed TVP 
>officers.


Possibly not the most sensible course of action if there was strong
evidence that there was a bomb on board.

Mind you, I do wonder what "suspicious behaviour" (other than a direct
threat to blow the train up, which would probably have been reported
on the news as such and wasn't) would result in that kind of action...

Neil

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Neil Sunderland wrote:

> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4258928.stm>
>
>

Released without charge, police acting on tip off searched the
passenger and his luggage.

Neil Sunderland wrote:

> A man has been arrested after he was thought to be acting suspiciously
> on a Manchester to London train, Thames Valley police have said.


He must be guilty - they shoot innocent men.

I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though

"A man has been arrested after he was thought to be acting suspiciously
on a Manchester to London train, Thames Valley police have said."

Am I the only person who didn't spot the colon and thought that a BBC
reporter had been arrested? What a disappointment!

Jerry A

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:08:15 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

[...]


>Mind you, I do wonder what "suspicious behaviour" (other than a direct
>threat to blow the train up, which would probably have been reported
>on the news as such and wasn't) would result in that kind of action...


Well, he was Asian and was carrying a rucksac on a train - just how much
more suspicious do you have to be to warrant armed intervention?
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On 19 Sep 2005 10:48:55 -0700, jon.porter1@lycosmax.co.uk wrote:

[...]


>Released without charge, police acting on tip off searched the
>passenger and his luggage.


Outrageous, an Asian man on a train with a rucksack acting suspiciously is
clearly guilty of something.  They just need to look harder.
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Neil Sunderland wrote:


> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4258928.stm>
>
>


Acting on a tip off, detained person released without charge after
luggage searched etc.

On 19 Sep 2005 11:02:33 -0700, "Paul Weaver" 
wrote:


>I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though


Yes it does, to a fashion :)

From what I can see, with it being a predominantly rural force, TVP
don't have a clue as to how to deal with urban-type issues, terrorism
and the likes.

Neil

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On 19 Sep 2005 11:02:33 -0700, "Paul Weaver" 
wrote:


>Neil Sunderland wrote:
>> A man has been arrested after he was thought to be acting suspiciously
>> on a Manchester to London train, Thames Valley police have said.
>
>He must be guilty - they shoot innocent men.
>

That's the Met. TV manage to feed on motorists without the need for
firearms.


>I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though

Somebody has to.
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"Neil Williams" <>>I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though

>
> Yes it does, to a fashion :)
>
> From what I can see, with it being a predominantly rural force, TVP
> don't have a clue as to how to deal with urban-type issues, terrorism
> and the likes.


Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?


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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:59:50 -0700, "Roger T."
 wrote:


>
>"Neil Williams" <>>I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though
>>
>> Yes it does, to a fashion :)
>>
>> From what I can see, with it being a predominantly rural force, TVP
>> don't have a clue as to how to deal with urban-type issues, terrorism
>> and the likes.
>
>Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?


Denton, presumably the one near Manchester.

Mostly shot around Headingley, Kirkstall, and Horsforth.

DG

Roger T. wrote:

>Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?


Unlikely.
<http://epguides.com/TouchofFrost/guide.shtml>
"Det Insp William Edward, "Jack", Frost alternates his police duties
in Denton, a town in southern England near Bristol..."


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Paul Weaver wrote:


> He must be guilty - they shoot innocent men.


That amounts to a confession.

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In message , at 21:49:16 on Mon, 19 Sep 
2005, Neil Williams  remarked:

>From what I can see, with it being a predominantly rural force, TVP
>don't have a clue as to how to deal with urban-type issues, terrorism
>and the likes.


Rural? You are 'aving a larf'. Windsor, Slough, Bracknell, Reading, 
Oxford...
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In message , at 23:19:00 on 
Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Neil Sunderland  
remarked:

>Unlikely.
><http://epguides.com/TouchofFrost/guide.shtml>
>"Det Insp William Edward, "Jack", Frost alternates his police duties
>in Denton, a town in southern England near Bristol..."


 From the times they've shown maps on the programme, more like Reading or 
possibly Basingstoke.
-- 
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:38:58 +0100, Roland Perry 
wrote:


>Rural? You are 'aving a larf'. Windsor, Slough, Bracknell, Reading, 
>Oxford...


Not as urban as the Met or Greater Manchester Police, for example, and
only Reading is really big enough out of that list to count as proper
urban sprawl...

As to Sluff, it's just best avoided...

Neil

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In message , at 06:57:13 on Tue, 20 Sep 
2005, Neil Williams  remarked:

>>Rural? You are 'aving a larf'. Windsor, Slough, Bracknell, Reading,
>>Oxford...
>
>Not as urban as the Met or Greater Manchester Police, for example,


Sure, but not rural in the sense that was originally implied.


> and only Reading is really big enough out of that list to count as 
>proper urban sprawl...  As to Sluff, it's just best avoided...


You can't avoid it just because it's inconvenient to your case :-)

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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:12:13 +0100, Roland Perry 
wrote:


>In message , at 06:57:13 on Tue, 20 Sep 
>2005, Neil Williams  remarked:
>>>Rural? You are 'aving a larf'. Windsor, Slough, Bracknell, Reading,
>>>Oxford...
>>
>>Not as urban as the Met or Greater Manchester Police, for example,
>
>Sure, but not rural in the sense that was originally implied.


No, but they still are unlikely to have major experience of the issues
concerned, and I would still say the *majority* of their area
(Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire etc) is rural.


>> and only Reading is really big enough out of that list to count as 
>>proper urban sprawl...  As to Sluff, it's just best avoided...
>
>You can't avoid it just because it's inconvenient to your case :-)


It's best avoided whatever the case :)

Neil

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In message , at 07:22:09 on Tue, 20 Sep 
2005, Neil Williams  remarked:

>>>Not as urban as the Met or Greater Manchester Police, for example,
>>
>>Sure, but not rural in the sense that was originally implied.
>
>No, but they still are unlikely to have major experience of the issues
>concerned, and I would still say the *majority* of their area
>(Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire etc) is rural.


Doesn't matter what goes on in the rural sections, the relevant 
experience comes from the urban areas, which they have plenty of. You 
just need to accept that the original accusation was way off the mark.
-- 
Roland Perry

> Mind you, I do wonder what "suspicious behaviour" (other than a direct
> threat to blow the train up, which would probably have been reported
> on the news as such and wasn't) would result in that kind of action...


Walking while looking Asian?

"Roger T."  writes:


> Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?


No, I think it is DCI Morse and Sgt Lewis who are from Thames Valley.

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:31:27 +0100, Roland Perry 
wrote:


>Doesn't matter what goes on in the rural sections, the relevant 
>experience comes from the urban areas, which they have plenty of.


Very little experience in terrorism and the likes, though.


> You 
>just need to accept that the original accusation was way off the mark.


I accept it may have been a little generalised, but I don't think it
was "way off the mark" at all.

Neil

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In message , at 18:20:51 on Tue, 20 Sep 
2005, Neil Williams  remarked:

>On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:31:27 +0100, Roland Perry 
>wrote:
>
>>Doesn't matter what goes on in the rural sections, the relevant
>>experience comes from the urban areas, which they have plenty of.
>
>Very little experience in terrorism and the likes, though.


Still completely wrong. Do you have no idea at all about the way 
policemen move from one force to another, and how a force that's so 
close to London might possibly have some idea about these issues?

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In article , 
rogertra@highspeedplus.com says...

> 
> "Neil Williams" <>>I didn't know Thames Valley covered Milton Keynes though
> >
> > Yes it does, to a fashion :)
> >
> > From what I can see, with it being a predominantly rural force, TVP
> > don't have a clue as to how to deal with urban-type issues, terrorism
> > and the likes.
> 
> Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?


Yes, it only gets mentioned a few times, but it can be seen on 
documents, signs and such like [1]. They have also mentioned Reading 
several times as being a nearby town, which would put them in the TVP 
patch.

[1] I've spent too much time with the DVD box set.

Duncan

jon.porter1@lycosmax.co.uk wrote:

> Acting on a tip off, detained person released without charge after
> luggage searched etc.


Not being familiar with mainland procedures, how is such a ``tip-off''
reported?  Is there an anonymous phone service? ( In NI we have an
anonymous Crime Stoppers number ).  

Do they police have any way of tracing the source of the tip-off if 
it is entirely scurrilous or is it accepted that a certain proportion
of calls will be hoaxes?  Of course, some calls will be erroneous
( people thinking they see something when it's perfectly innocent )
but there does appear to be room for abuse.

A

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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:20:51 GMT, Neil Williams wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:

> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:31:27 +0100, Roland Perry 
> wrote:
[...]
> > You 
> >just need to accept that the original accusation was way off the mark.
> 
> I accept it may have been a little generalised, but I don't think it
> was "way off the mark" at all.


Neil, based on the bits I've seen quoted [1], Roland's having another
attack of "Only I know anything", whilst talking bollocks. You've no
chance of him admitting that he's not the fount of all wisdom, so best
just to ignore or killfile him; it saves a lot of time and heartache.


[1] Roland is in my killfile, now and for evermore, although I
understand he quite often replies to my posts in the apparent belief
I'll see them.
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In message , at 23:07:41 on 
Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Ross  remarked:

>Neil, based on the bits I've seen quoted [1], Roland's having another
>attack of "Only I know anything", whilst talking bollocks.


Oh Ross, please stick to things you understand.
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:20:51 GMT, Neil Williams wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:
 > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:31:27 +0100, Roland Perry 
 > wrote:
[...]
 > > You
 > >just need to accept that the original accusation was way off the 
mark.
 >
 > I accept it may have been a little generalised, but I don't think it
 > was "way off the mark" at all.

Cornwall is a rural force, Norfolk is a rural force, Lincolnshire (sorry 
Ross) is a rural force. To call Thames Valley a rural force is simply an 
insult.
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:08:15 GMT someone who may be
wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote this:-


>Mind you, I do wonder what "suspicious behaviour" (other than a direct
>threat to blow the train up, which would probably have been reported
>on the news as such and wasn't) would result in that kind of action...


The brave new Guardian had a story on this sort of thing today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1575411,00.html

I recommend it to those who wonder why people like me ask questions
about this sort of police activity. It may reassure the nervous and
allow some to claim that they are "doing something". However, I
doubt if it prevents terrorism and I doubt if those harassed by the
police will be keen to help them in the future. The police reap what
they sow.


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"Neil Sunderland"  wrote in message 
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> Roger T. wrote:
>>Get DI Jack Frost on it.  He's with Thames Valley, isn't he?
>
> Unlikely.
> <http://epguides.com/TouchofFrost/guide.shtml>
> "Det Insp William Edward, "Jack", Frost alternates his police duties
> in Denton, a town in southern England near Bristol..."


Ah yes, I remember a scene set in 'Denton' station, when someone was 
boarding a train... an IC-liveried Mk4 at what looked suspiciously like 
York. :-))

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