....shoemaking?

Mary

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:


> ...shoemaking?


German F1 racing driver. Several times world champion. Drives for Ferrari.

HTH.
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Regards,

Hugh Jampton

Mary Fisher wrote:

> ...shoemaking?
>
> Mary


I watched a programme on Sky about making safety boots. Fascinating, it was, 
but I dare say it's not what you're after, Mary.

Si

"Hugh Jampton"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:
>
>> ...shoemaking?
>
> German F1 racing driver. Several times world champion. Drives for Ferrari.
>
> HTH.

No.
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Hugh Jampton 

"Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot"  wrote in message 
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> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> ...shoemaking?
>>
>> Mary
>
> I watched a programme on Sky about making safety boots. Fascinating, it 
> was, but I dare say it's not what you're after, Mary.


What did you learn about it?

Mary

>
> Si
> 

You're just talking cobblers now! :-)

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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> ...shoemaking?
>
> Mary
> 

"Dave" <dave@numbnuts.invalid> wrote in message 
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> You're just talking cobblers now! :-)


No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.

Rrasppppppp!

:-)

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:

|| No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.

That would be a Cordwainer.

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot"  wrote in message
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>> Mary Fisher wrote:
>>> ...shoemaking?
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> I watched a programme on Sky about making safety boots. Fascinating,
>> it was, but I dare say it's not what you're after, Mary.
>
> What did you learn about it?
>


It wasn't in the greatest detail but it showed all the processes from 
tanning the hides to vulcanizing the sole to the boot. Mostly by machine of 
course.

Si

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Dave" <dave@numbnuts.invalid> wrote in message
> news:dg9uj2$56f$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> You're just talking cobblers now! :-)
>
> No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.
>
> Rrasppppppp!
>
> :-)
>
> Mary


I think you'll find he/she makes shoes if asked. :-P

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message
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> ...shoemaking?


http://www.marywalesloomis.com/index.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/shoe-advice.html

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM



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In message <4328744b$0$12562$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary 
Fisher  writes

>...shoemaking?
>

Yes

I am from Kettering

-- 
geoff

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave" <dave@numbnuts.invalid> wrote in message
> news:dg9uj2$56f$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > You're just talking cobblers now! :-)
>
> No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.
>
> Rrasppppppp!
>
> :-)
>
> Mary
>
>

Also known as a Cordwainer

"Hugh Jampton"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:
>
>> ...shoemaking?
>
> German F1 racing driver. Several times world champion. Drives for Ferrari.
>
> HTH.
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Hugh Jampton


Cobblers to that!

That was my _Last_ job!

Do Cobblers make shoes to last?

et.al.

-- 

Brian

"Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot"  wrote in message 
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> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> "Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot"  wrote in message
>> news:W8OdnULBArII6rXenZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>> Mary Fisher wrote:
>>>> ...shoemaking?
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>
>>> I watched a programme on Sky about making safety boots. Fascinating,
>>> it was, but I dare say it's not what you're after, Mary.
>>
>> What did you learn about it?
>>
>
> It wasn't in the greatest detail but it showed all the processes from 
> tanning the hides to vulcanizing the sole to the boot. Mostly by machine 
> of course.


It would have been interesting but, as you surmise, not what I was after. 
Thanks anyway,

Mary

>
> Si
>
> 

"Michael Mcneil"  wrote in message >

>> ...shoemaking?
>
> http://www.marywalesloomis.com/index.html

Gee!
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/shoe-advice.html


Some useful stuff, thank you.

>
> http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM


Already known but thanks anyway.

But you don't know anything about it yourself ?

Mary

>

"raden"  wrote in message 
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> In message <4328744b$0$12562$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary Fisher 
>  writes
>>...shoemaking?
>>
> Yes
>
> I am from Kettering


OK, Dwahling, what do you know? Except that shoes were made there.

Mary

>
> -- 
> geoff 

"david lang"  wrote in message 
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> Mary Fisher wrote:
>
> || No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.
>
> That would be a Cordwainer.
>
> Dave
>

That trade crops up frequently on genealogy records
A cordwainer (AIUI) is one who works with Cordovan
leather (a particularly fine flexible leather from
the town of Cordoba(sp?) in Spain. Fine, flexible
items would be manufactured from Cordovan leather
such as gloves - it is not inconceivable that 'toffs'
might have shoes made by their Cordwainer ... AIU
Cordwainer != shoemaker.
It's a bit like a cardboard-box folder being styled
an _Origami artiste_; even though the techniques are
similar.

-- 

Brian

Brian Sharrock wrote:

> Cobblers to that!
> That was my _Last_ job!
> Do Cobblers make shoes to last?


I bet you feel a right heel having written that.

It's their sole function.

<sticks out tongue>

Owain

Brian Sharrock wrote:

> "david lang"  wrote in message
> news:PT%Ve.68998$2n6.32630@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Mary Fisher wrote:
> >
> > || No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.
> >
> > That would be a Cordwainer.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> That trade crops up frequently on genealogy records
> A cordwainer (AIUI) is one who works with Cordovan
> leather (a particularly fine flexible leather from
> the town of Cordoba(sp?) in Spain. Fine, flexible
> items would be manufactured from Cordovan leather
> such as gloves - it is not inconceivable that 'toffs'
> might have shoes made by their Cordwainer ... AIU
> Cordwainer != shoemaker.
> It's a bit like a cardboard-box folder being styled
> an _Origami artiste_; even though the techniques are
> similar.


My sister-out-law refers to herself as a cordwainer when she makes
leather bags and belts.  The leather she uses for that is a lot stiffer
than most shoe-leather.  She is using the word just to mean
"leather-worker".

The old copy of Collins by my desk gives cordwainer as "Archaic: A
shoemaker or worker in leather" (and then proceeds to give the
derivation from Cordoba).

"Brian Sharrock"  wrote in message 
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>
> "david lang"  wrote in message 
> news:PT%Ve.68998$2n6.32630@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Mary Fisher wrote:
>>
>> || No, a cobbler is a shoe repairman, not a maker.
>>
>> That would be a Cordwainer.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> That trade crops up frequently on genealogy records
> A cordwainer (AIUI) is one who works with Cordovan
> leather (a particularly fine flexible leather from
> the town of Cordoba(sp?) in Spain. Fine, flexible
> items would be manufactured from Cordovan leather
> such as gloves - it is not inconceivable that 'toffs'
> might have shoes made by their Cordwainer ... AIU
> Cordwainer != shoemaker.
> It's a bit like a cardboard-box folder being styled
> an _Origami artiste_; even though the techniques are
> similar.


It's much more general than that these days - shoes and accessories in all 
sorts of leather and other materials are designed and made at Cordwainers 
College.

Mary

>
> -- 
>
> Brian
>
> 

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
 wrote:


>...shoemaking?
>
>Mary 
>


I know little except that in the streets of Cairo round the Babzewalla
Mosque, you will find litterally hundreds of small business making
shoes to fit.

Rick

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message
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> Already known but thanks anyway.
> But you don't know anything about it yourself ?


No. What is the interest? There is no way anyone not already well
trained can compete with modern machines and/or cheap imports.



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"Michael Mcneil"  wrote in message 
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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message
> news:432936df$0$23043$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net
>
>> Already known but thanks anyway.
>> But you don't know anything about it yourself ?
>
> No. What is the interest? There is no way anyone not already well
> trained can compete with modern machines and/or cheap imports.


The interest is that many of us have feet which aren't catered for by 
standard sizes in commercially produced shoes. There are two answers to 
that: hand-made shoes (frightfuly expensive) or make them yourself. Spouse 
has made all mine and many of his own (including all our Roman, Dark Age and 
Mediaeval ones) for years but now he's being asked to cater for others.

I thought someone here might know more than we do. It seems that they don't, 
which is fair enough.

There's a huge amount of untapped knowledge on d-i-y skills in this ng, any 
question is worth asking.

Mary

"Rick"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
>  wrote:
>
>>...shoemaking?
>>
>>Mary
>>
>
> I know little except that in the streets of Cairo round the Babzewalla
> Mosque, you will find litterally hundreds of small business making
> shoes to fit.


It's a long way to go and expensive to travel for something one can do one's 
self :-)

Mary

>
> Rick
> 

In message <432936fe$0$28628$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary 
Fisher  writes

>
>"raden"  wrote in message
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>> In message <4328744b$0$12562$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary Fisher
>>  writes
>>>...shoemaking?
>>>
>> Yes
>>
>> I am from Kettering
>
>OK, Dwahling, what do you know? Except that shoes were made there.
>

Err that's about it

-- 
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"raden"  wrote in message 
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>>>>...shoemaking?
>>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> I am from Kettering
>>
>>OK, Dwahling, what do you know? Except that shoes were made there.
>>
> Err that's about it


LOL! I expected as much :-)

I knew too. And about Northampton. And I've been to the wonderful Clarks 
Museum in Street (that's a small town in Somerset). And I know some places 
in Yorkshire where clogs are made.

But not much more so you're not alone.

Mary



>
> -- 
> geoff 

In article <4329c421$0$5854$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, 
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
<snip>

> The interest is that many of us have feet which aren't catered for by 
> standard sizes in commercially produced shoes. There are two answers to 
> that: hand-made shoes (frightfuly expensive) or make them yourself. Spouse 
> has made all mine and many of his own (including all our Roman, Dark Age and 
> Mediaeval ones) for years but now he's being asked to cater for others.
> 

Seems to me that, as long as he can find a quick and easy way of making 
lasts for his customers, he doesn't really need to do anything 
differently.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:59:16 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
 wrote:


>
>"Rick"  wrote in message 
>news:4u1ji1138ltjddrtc5cr8057e8cscgnfca@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:05:42 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>...shoemaking?
>>>
>>>Mary
>>>
>>
>> I know little except that in the streets of Cairo round the Babzewalla
>> Mosque, you will find litterally hundreds of small business making
>> shoes to fit.
>
>It's a long way to go and expensive to travel for something one can do one's 
>self :-)
>
>Mary
>>
>> Rick
>> 
>


You can make shoes, can you make the to fit very weird shaped feet, if
you can then lets talk. My mum has major issues with shoes, the last
people to hand make some for her,made shoes that were useless.

Rick

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
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> In article <4329c421$0$5854$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
> <snip>
>> The interest is that many of us have feet which aren't catered for by
>> standard sizes in commercially produced shoes. There are two answers to
>> that: hand-made shoes (frightfuly expensive) or make them yourself. 
>> Spouse
>> has made all mine and many of his own (including all our Roman, Dark Age 
>> and
>> Mediaeval ones) for years but now he's being asked to cater for others.
>>
> Seems to me that, as long as he can find a quick and easy way of making
> lasts for his customers, he doesn't really need to do anything
> differently.


OK, how do you suggest doing that?

Mary

"Rick"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> I know little except that in the streets of Cairo round the Babzewalla
>>> Mosque, you will find litterally hundreds of small business making
>>> shoes to fit.
>>
>>It's a long way to go and expensive to travel for something one can do 
>>one's
>>self :-)
>>
>>Mary
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>
>
> You can make shoes, can you make the to fit very weird shaped feet, if
> you can then lets talk. My mum has major issues with shoes, the last
> people to hand make some for her,made shoes that were useless.
>
> Rick


Well, we can talk - but you were just suggesting going to Cairo ... :-)

Mary

> 

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:46:55 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
 wrote:


>
>"Rick"  wrote in message 
>news:b7nji11kdu7m8pvnmq55vsu7urlku26i29@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> I know little except that in the streets of Cairo round the Babzewalla
>>>> Mosque, you will find litterally hundreds of small business making
>>>> shoes to fit.
>>>
>>>It's a long way to go and expensive to travel for something one can do 
>>>one's
>>>self :-)
>>>
>>>Mary
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> You can make shoes, can you make the to fit very weird shaped feet, if
>> you can then lets talk. My mum has major issues with shoes, the last
>> people to hand make some for her,made shoes that were useless.
>>
>> Rick
>
>Well, we can talk - but you were just suggesting going to Cairo ... :-)
>
>Mary
>> 
>


Me mum won't go, she won't leave Great Britian. I even got a friend
who lives there to volenteer to act as a guide for her, but alas ...

Me Mums feet are not far off being as wide as they are long, she has
arthritus in several joints, but still likes to spend all day up and
walking her dogs .......... Somewhat of a challenge I guess ?

Rick

"Rick"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>Well, we can talk - but you were just suggesting going to Cairo ... :-)
>>
>>Mary
>>>
>>
>
> Me mum won't go, she won't leave Great Britian. I even got a friend
> who lives there to volenteer to act as a guide for her, but alas ...


I don't blame her. Full of tourists :-)

>
> Me Mums feet are not far off being as wide as they are long,


Ours are too. What's more I have hammer toes but they're going to be 
straightened.


> she has
> arthritus in several joints, but still likes to spend all day up and
> walking her dogs .......... Somewhat of a challenge I guess ?


Apart from the dogs she sounds like me...

If you're serious mail me.

But I'm not promising anything.

Mary

>
> Rick
> 

"Stephen Gower"  wrote in message 
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> Mary Fisher  wrote:
>>
>>that: hand-made shoes (frightfuly expensive) or make them yourself. Spouse
>>has made all mine and many of his own (including all our Roman, Dark Age 
>>and
>>Mediaeval ones) for years but now he's being asked to cater for others.
>
>  Gosh, I knew you'd been around a while, but I didn't realise you
>  went back to Roman Times. :)


That reference referred to the last four centuries of Rome. I don't give my 
age away but yes, we we've been around for quite a time :-)

Mary

In article <432a8f59$0$31495$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, 
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
<snip>changing toe forms.

> 
> You've done it that way, I assume. 
> 

No, it was just an off-the-cuff suggestion.  :-)

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
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> In article <432a8f59$0$31495$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
> <snip>changing toe forms.
>>
>> You've done it that way, I assume.
>>
> No, it was just an off-the-cuff suggestion.  :-)


I thought so :-)

Mary