Hi all,

I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
supposed to last practically indefinitely?

Cheers,

Colin.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:11:21 +0100, Colin Stamp
 wrote:


>Hi all,
>
>I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
>miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
>supposed to last practically indefinitely?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Colin.


And another thing -  Why doesn't my poxy spell-checker look at the
title?

"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:11:21 +0100, Colin Stamp
>  wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> >miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> >supposed to last practically indefinitely?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Colin.
>
> And another thing -  Why doesn't my poxy spell-checker look at the
> title?


Never seen a handbrake shoe, new to me.  My Celica's have shoes at the rear,
not drums and yeah i change them a quarter of the amounti do the front pads.

Anyway im off later to Manchester, to watch the live show of Brit worst
Celeb driver, its the same company that made worst home last year which i
was on, so i called them last week and saying can i come along and meet Erik
Estrada as i love CHiPs, i also spoke to him on the fone last week!  I met
Quentin Willson last year, hes a really nice guy, not like he comes over on
tv, hes down to earth and came in the minubus with us contestants rather
than a cheufer(cant spell that word) like the other tv celebs did. The show
is on live at 8pm tonight on CH5, im off in the my tatty 77GT Celica and
cant wait for Quintens comments to start!

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>
> "Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
> news:fubqi1lj8qtqo57vcnq8ufcdf0tdk0901i@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:11:21 +0100, Colin Stamp
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> > >miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> > >supposed to last practically indefinitely?
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Colin.
> >
> > And another thing -  Why doesn't my poxy spell-checker look at the
> > title?
>
> Never seen a handbrake shoe, new to me.  My Celica's have shoes at the
rear,
> not drums and yeah i change them a quarter of the amounti do the front
pads.
>
> Anyway im off later to Manchester, to watch the live show of Brit worst
> Celeb driver, its the same company that made worst home last year which i
> was on, so i called them last week and saying can i come along and meet
Erik
> Estrada as i love CHiPs, i also spoke to him on the fone last week!  I met
> Quentin Willson last year, hes a really nice guy, not like he comes over
on
> tv, hes down to earth and came in the minubus with us contestants rather
> than a cheufer(cant spell that word) like the other tv celebs did. The
show
> is on live at 8pm tonight on CH5, im off in the my tatty 77GT Celica and
> cant wait for Quintens comments to start!
>
>
>

i've never had to cahange a pair on any of the series land rovers i've owned
as they only had material scraped off the shoe if you used the hand breake
to come to a sto (think amarican i'ts not a hand brake but an emergancy
brake).

using the hand breake to keep you stationary dosent wear them at all.


Andy

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>
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales"  wrote in
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>>
>> "Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
>> news:fubqi1lj8qtqo57vcnq8ufcdf0tdk0901i@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:11:21 +0100, Colin Stamp
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > >Hi all,
>> > >
>> > >I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
>> > >miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
>> > >supposed to last practically indefinitely?
>> > >
>> > >Cheers,
>> > >
>> > >Colin.
>> >
>> > And another thing -  Why doesn't my poxy spell-checker look at the
>> > title?
>>
>> Never seen a handbrake shoe, new to me.  My Celica's have shoes at the
> rear,
>> not drums and yeah i change them a quarter of the amounti do the front
> pads.
>>
>> Anyway im off later to Manchester, to watch the live show of Brit worst
>> Celeb driver, its the same company that made worst home last year which i
>> was on, so i called them last week and saying can i come along and meet
> Erik
>> Estrada as i love CHiPs, i also spoke to him on the fone last week!  I 
>> met
>> Quentin Willson last year, hes a really nice guy, not like he comes over
> on
>> tv, hes down to earth and came in the minubus with us contestants rather
>> than a cheufer(cant spell that word) like the other tv celebs did. The
> show
>> is on live at 8pm tonight on CH5, im off in the my tatty 77GT Celica and
>> cant wait for Quintens comments to start!
>>
>>
>>
> i've never had to cahange a pair on any of the series land rovers i've 
> owned
> as they only had material scraped off the shoe if you used the hand breake
> to come to a sto (think amarican i'ts not a hand brake but an emergancy
> brake).
>
> using the hand breake to keep you stationary dosent wear them at all.
>
>
> Andy


I've owned Carltons and Omegas for the last 10 years and only changed the 
handbrake shoes once and only them because the friction material separated 
from the shoe. So you probably won't need to do them mate.

>
> 

"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message 
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> supposed to last practically indefinitely?
>

Depends if you habitually pull on the handbrake with a moving car or not...

Tim..

In article , Colin Stamp 
says...

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> supposed to last practically indefinitely?
> 

I assume that the handbrake shoes are seperate to the main rear braking 
like Cavvies with rear disc brakes that have a drum affair in the 
middle for the handbrake? If so, I expect they probably do as they only 
"should" end up being used when the vehicle is stationary in the first 
place.

-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:28:36 +0000 (UTC), "Tim \(remove obvious\)"
 wrote:


>
>"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message 
>news:lfbqi191nl8t2pa9s9c9cst9k3u8r7bcej@4ax.com...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
>> miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
>> supposed to last practically indefinitely?
>>
>Depends if you habitually pull on the handbrake with a moving car or not...
>

I replaced the ones in the Previa at about 130k after having to do just
that periodically. The handbrake shoes developed a fault where they
would catch somewhere, creating a knocking sound which varied with road
speed (the first time this happened I got recovered from France with it,
not funny, story elsewhere). I later found that pulling on the handbrake
while the car was moving stopped the noise, but obviously it didn't do
the shoes much good. I suspect the drum had developed a rust lip and the
shoes moved off-centre or something like that.
Eventually I fitted new discs, replacing the shoes at the same time, and
haven't had a problem since.
Having talked to other Previa owners this is a common fault.
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:11:21 +0100, Colin Stamp
 wrote:


>Hi all,
>
>I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
>miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
>supposed to last practically indefinitely?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Colin.



Thanks all for the confirmation. I'll just order the pads and discs
then.

Cheers,

Colin.

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from Colin Stamp  contains these words:


> I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> supposed to last practically indefinitely?


I once replaced a set on a 2CV but that was 'cos the originals had fallen out.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

In article ,
   Colin Stamp  wrote:

> I'm getting new discs and pads for the back of my Saab 9-3 at 60K
> miles. Is there any point getting handbrake shoes too, or are they
> supposed to last practically indefinitely?


Parking brake drum in disc system? Yes. Unless you drive round with the
handbrake on often, they're unlikely to be worn.

-- 
*Women like silent men; they think they're listening.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

> i've never had to cahange a pair on any of the series land rovers i've 
> owned
> as they only had material scraped off the shoe if you used the hand breake
> to come to a sto (think amarican i'ts not a hand brake but an emergancy
> brake).
>
> using the hand breake to keep you stationary dosent wear them at all.
>
>
> Andy


I thought Landrover handbrakes worked on the gearbox, and not on the wheels 
?
(or something like that)
Graham

>> i've never had to cahange a pair on any of the series land rovers i've 
>> owned
>> as they only had material scraped off the shoe if you used the hand 
>> breake
>> to come to a sto (think amarican i'ts not a hand brake but an emergancy
>> brake).
>>
>> using the hand breake to keep you stationary dosent wear them at all.
>
> I thought Landrover handbrakes worked on the gearbox, and not on the 
> wheels ?
> (or something like that)


You're probably thinking of inboard discs, which aren't far from the 
gearbox.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

AstraVanMan (Peter@Whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk) gurgled happily, 
sounding much like they were saying :


>> I thought Landrover handbrakes worked on the gearbox, and not on the 
>> wheels? (or something like that)

> You're probably thinking of inboard discs, which aren't far from the 
> gearbox.


IIRC, Series Landies have a transmission brake - a drum on the 'box output 
shaft.

They're not alone, either. I can think of at least one vehicle (C35/242) 
with a disk on the 'box output shaft for the handbrake.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian 
saying something like:


>> You're probably thinking of inboard discs, which aren't far from the 
>> gearbox.
>
>IIRC, Series Landies have a transmission brake - a drum on the 'box output 
>shaft.


Yup. I've often wondered how much use that would really be in an
emergency situation. 
-- 

Dave
SE6a

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:49:04 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
 wrote:


>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Duncanwood 
>saying something like:
>
>>>> IIRC, Series Landies have a transmission brake - a drum on the 'box  
>>>> output
>>>> shaft.
>>>
>>> Yup. I've often wondered how much use that would really be in an
>>> emergency situation.
>>
>>
>>Only time I've seen one applied at speed the series 3 rolled.
>
>Oops...
>
>Surprises me, but I suppose the rear wheels locking up and the
>relatively high CoG of the SIII wouldn't help if it started going
>sideways.
>
>What I thought would happen, but obviously doesn't, is the sudden
>application of the transmission brake would lead to snapped halfshafts
>or propshaft UJs.


Kind of like slamming an auto into Park?
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from Chris Bolus  contains these words:


> Kind of like slamming an auto into Park?


Depending on the auto, that doesn't necessarily do anything.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Duncanwood 
saying something like:


>>> IIRC, Series Landies have a transmission brake - a drum on the 'box  
>>> output
>>> shaft.
>>
>> Yup. I've often wondered how much use that would really be in an
>> emergency situation.
>
>
>Only time I've seen one applied at speed the series 3 rolled.


Oops...

Surprises me, but I suppose the rear wheels locking up and the
relatively high CoG of the SIII wouldn't help if it started going
sideways.

What I thought would happen, but obviously doesn't, is the sudden
application of the transmission brake would lead to snapped halfshafts
or propshaft UJs.
-- 

Dave
SE6a