Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be something
that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able to be
used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice
if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
tia

mike wrote:

> Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds
> trivial but after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot.
> It needs to be something that's writes very easily, with a fine
> point, good contrast and *be able to be used horizontally without
> "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so feint I'd rather
> use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice if is
> erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
> tia


Why use pen'n'paper? there are numerous music notation programs available
on the web.
http://www.braeburn.co.uk/mpdownload.htm

Some are evaluation progs but if you look through google there are
freebies.
Then you can print it out.

In article <5uDVe.108014$G8.80335@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
   ben  wrote:

> mike wrote:
> > Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds
> > trivial but after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot.
> > It needs to be something that's writes very easily, with a fine
> > point, good contrast and *be able to be used horizontally without
> > "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so feint I'd rather
> > use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice if is
> > erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
> > tia

> Why use pen'n'paper? there are numerous music notation programs available
> on the web.
> http://www.braeburn.co.uk/mpdownload.htm

> Some are evaluation progs but if you look through google there are
> freebies.
> Then you can print it out.


If you are going down the digital line try the best - Sibelius. Easiest to use
is the version for RISC OS computers even though it hasn't been updated for a
number of years. But why not simply use a softer pencil?

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> Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial
but
> after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be
something
> that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able
to be
> used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be
so
> feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be
nice
> if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very
easily.
> tia
>


=================
Have a look at:
http://www.graphicsdirect.co.uk/categories/10/Technical-Pens.htm

Cic.

> 
> Why use pen'n'paper? there are numerous music notation programs available
> on the web.
> http://www.braeburn.co.uk/mpdownload.htm
> 
>Finale Norepad seems to be highly thought of and it's free.


As someone who sribbles on staffs occasionally, I think this is a much 
better way, unless you're much more accurate than me

mike

In message , mike 
 writes

>Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
>after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be 
>something
>that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able to be
>used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
>feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice
>if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
>tia
>

Get it almost right first time. I bet Mozart didn't have this problem

It depends whether you want pretty or functional

You could use a 2B pencil - or go hi tech and do it on the computer

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:37:38 GMT, raden  wrote:


>In message , mike 
> writes
>>Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
>>after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be 
>>something
>>that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able to be
>>used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
>>feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice
>>if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
>>tia
>>
>Get it almost right first time. I bet Mozart didn't have this problem
>
>It depends whether you want pretty or functional
>
>You could use a 2B pencil - or go hi tech and do it on the computer


Thanks but I use several very good notation programs (been using them for over
10 years) but I still like to write musical ideas down when I'm not near a
computer and paper and pencil is (still) by far the fastest and most convenient
way for me. By the time I crank up the 'ol machine I could have written several
bars (cue flak on the bootup speed of windows :-) ). I often transfer to the
computer once I have things in a reasonable state. 

You are right: Mozart didn't have this problem but alas he died in his 30's
before his eyesight had chance to deteriorate - and there was also that little
matter of him being a genius. Beethoven otoh, an equal genius did have this
problem - see cover sheet to score of the Eroica (symphony No. 3 I think)

Ah I just remembered seeing an advert once for a pen that wrote upsidedown - 
Time for "google is my friend".

mike wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:37:38 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>> In message , mike
>>  writes
>>> Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds
>>> trivial but after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot.
>>> It needs to be something
>>> that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be
>>> able to be used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find
>>> ok but tend to be so feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not
>>> brilliant any more). Would be nice if is erasable but more
>>> important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily. tia
>>>
>> Get it almost right first time. I bet Mozart didn't have this problem
>>
>> It depends whether you want pretty or functional
>>
>> You could use a 2B pencil - or go hi tech and do it on the computer
>
> Thanks but I use several very good notation programs (been using them
> for over 10 years) but I still like to write musical ideas down when
> I'm not near a computer and paper and pencil is (still) by far the
> fastest and most convenient way for me. By the time I crank up the
> 'ol machine I could have written several bars (cue flak on the bootup
> speed of windows :-) ). I often transfer to the computer once I have
> things in a reasonable state.
>
> You are right: Mozart didn't have this problem but alas he died in
> his 30's before his eyesight had chance to deteriorate - and there
> was also that little matter of him being a genius. Beethoven otoh, an
> equal genius did have this problem - see cover sheet to score of the
> Eroica (symphony No. 3 I think)
>
> Ah I just remembered seeing an advert once for a pen that wrote
> upsidedown - Time for "google is my friend".


You want a calligraphy pen

mike  wrote in
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 By the time I crank up the 'ol

> machine I could have written several bars (cue flak on the bootup
> speed of windows :-) 


I dunno, if you had linux, you'd need another shave before the damn thing 
nearly started

(Cue flak from linux geeks  ;-)    )

mike

In message , mike 
 writes

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:37:38 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>>In message , mike
>> writes
>>>Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
>>>after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be
>>>something
>>>that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be 
>>>able to be
>>>used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
>>>feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). 
>>>Would be nice
>>>if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
>>>tia
>>>
>>Get it almost right first time. I bet Mozart didn't have this problem
>>
>>It depends whether you want pretty or functional
>>
>>You could use a 2B pencil - or go hi tech and do it on the computer
>
>Thanks but I use several very good notation programs (been using them for over
>10 years) but I still like to write musical ideas down when I'm not near a
>computer and paper and pencil is (still) by far the fastest and most convenient
>way for me. By the time I crank up the 'ol machine I could have written several
>bars (cue flak on the bootup speed of windows :-) ). I often transfer to the
>computer once I have things in a reasonable state.


Well, let me tell you how I'd do it

I have a voice recorder. If I have a tune worth keeping, I hum it into 
the recorder and listen to it again and decide whether it really is any 
good

I then sit down at the piano and work out the  nuts and bolts. I then 
save it to paper



>
>You are right: Mozart didn't have this problem but alas he died in his 30's
>before his eyesight had chance to deteriorate - and there was also that little
>matter of him being a genius.


It does help


>Beethoven otoh, an equal genius did have this
>problem - see cover sheet to score of the Eroica (symphony No. 3 I think)


Close, but hardly equal

At the end of the day, they both sorted out what they wanted to write 
before they did so


>
>Ah I just remembered seeing an advert once for a pen that wrote upsidedown -
>Time for "google is my friend".


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In article , mike@not.here 
says...
<snip>

> Ah I just remembered seeing an advert once for a pen that wrote upsidedown - 
> Time for "google is my friend".
> 

The Fisher Space Pen.

"mike"  wrote in message 
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> Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial 
> but
> after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be 
> something
> that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able 
> to be
> used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be 
> so
> feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be 
> nice
> if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very 
> easily.
> tia


You want a gel pen, they are availaible in the high street - not erasable 
but write upside down etc

Bob Mannix

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:49:08 +0100, mike  wrote:


> Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds  
> trivial but
> after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be  
> something
> that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able  
> to be
> used horizontally without "running out"*.


The Fisher Space Pen. Writes upside down all day long, if you need it to.  
Refills UKP 3.50 include an adaptor for Parker biros, so you can update an  
existing pen. However the pen is quite dinky, just over 90mm closed and  
about 135 open. Somewhere inside UKP20 for the complete unit Refills seem  
to last about as long as Parker, three months for me, I do write quite a  
bit at work.

Watch out for the larcenous. My desk has a joke exploding pen to catch the  
unwary. "Just borrow your pen, John?" *BANG* The joke is a little stale  
now, but I have modified the behaviour of a number of colleagues to having  
a pen to hand at all times.

John Schmitt

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:49:08 GMT, mike  wrote:


>Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
>after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be something
>that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able to be
>used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
>feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice
>if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
>tia


'Fineliner' pens are good as are 'Jelly rollers'

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:01:00 GMT, raden  wrote:


>>Beethoven otoh, an equal genius did have this
>>problem - see cover sheet to score of the Eroica (symphony No. 3 I think)
>
>Close, but hardly equal


Well, I don't want to get into how a personal opinion is a measure of greatness
- so I won't


>
>At the end of the day, they both sorted out what they wanted to write 
>before they did so


er, not really. The two had very different ways of composing.

In message , dave 
 writes

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:01:00 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>>>Beethoven otoh, an equal genius did have this
>>>problem - see cover sheet to score of the Eroica (symphony No. 3 I think)
>>
>>Close, but hardly equal
>
>Well, I don't want to get into how a personal opinion is a measure of greatness
>- so I won't
>
>>
>>At the end of the day, they both sorted out what they wanted to write
>>before they did so
>
>er, not really. The two had very different ways of composing.
>

They still both had most of what they wanted to put down on paper in 
their heads

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In message , s--p--o--n--i--x 
 writes

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:49:08 GMT, mike  wrote:
>
>>Anyone know of a good pen/pencil for writing music scores? Sounds trivial but
>>after a couple of hours writing a good pen helps a lot. It needs to be 
>>something
>>that's writes very easily, with a fine point, good contrast and *be able to be
>>used horizontally without "running out"*. Pencils I find ok but tend to be so
>>feint I'd rather use a pen (as eyesight not brilliant any more). Would be nice
>>if is erasable but more important is that it writes/ ink-flows very easily.
>>tia
>
>'Fineliner' pens are good as are 'Jelly rollers'


Erasable ball pen ?

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John Schmitt wrote:


> The Fisher Space Pen. Writes upside down all day long, if you need it 
> to.  Refills UKP 3.50 include an adaptor for Parker biros, so you can 
> update an  existing pen. However the pen is quite dinky, just over 90mm 
> closed and  about 135 open. Somewhere inside UKP20 for the complete unit 
> Refills seem  to last about as long as Parker, three months for me, I do 
> write quite a  bit at work.



http://www.npw.co.uk/onlinesales/product.php?product_id=185

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:42:22 UTC, "John Schmitt"  
wrote:


> The Fisher Space Pen. Writes upside down all day long, if you need it to.


Wasn't there something on TV this week about budgets for the USA and 
USSR space programmes? The Americans spent a million dollars developing 
a Space Pen, and the Russians....used pencils...!
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On 14 Sep 2005 21:49:56 GMT, "Bob Eager"  wrote:


>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:42:22 UTC, "John Schmitt"  
>wrote:
>
>> The Fisher Space Pen. Writes upside down all day long, if you need it to.
>
>Wasn't there something on TV this week about budgets for the USA and 
>USSR space programmes? The Americans spent a million dollars developing 
>a Space Pen, and the Russians....used pencils...!


I love urban myths :)

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/spacepen.htm


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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:08:11 UTC, Geoffrey  
wrote:


> On 14 Sep 2005 21:49:56 GMT, "Bob Eager"  wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:42:22 UTC, "John Schmitt"  
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The Fisher Space Pen. Writes upside down all day long, if you need it to.
> >
> >Wasn't there something on TV this week about budgets for the USA and 
> >USSR space programmes? The Americans spent a million dollars developing 
> >a Space Pen, and the Russians....used pencils...!
> 
> I love urban myths :)
> 
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/spacepen.htm


Thanks...I did actually think, myself, that a pencil would be a 'bad 
idea'!

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