Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-

www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg

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          "Mike Cook"  wrote:


> Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
> 
> www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
> 
> 


Ballast wagons?

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"Mike Cook"  wrote in message 
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> Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
>
> www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
>
>

Grampus

"Mike Cook"  wrote in message 
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> Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
>
> www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
>
>

Not 100% certain, Mike, because of the angle it's taken from, but it looks 
like a ZCA 'Sea Urchin', quantities of which were built on the underframes 
of redundant air-braked vans and open wagons. They're used mainly for 
ballast and spoil workings.
The link below, to Gareth Bayer's 'Wagons on the Web' site, shows one in 
'Mainline' livery:-
http://web.ukonline.co.uk./wagons/1001-1100/m100018.jpg
regards
Brian

Yes its a Sea Urchin, ex 200000-210xxx series or 100000-1123xx or
460000 - 461xxx etc There`s load`s around booths Rotherham ! 

IM

BH Williams wrote:

> "Mike Cook"  wrote in message
> news:nPXVe.5062$hQ4.698@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
> > Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
> >
> > www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
> >
> >
> Not 100% certain, Mike, because of the angle it's taken from, but it looks
> like a ZCA 'Sea Urchin', quantities of which were built on the underframes
> of redundant air-braked vans and open wagons. They're used mainly for
> ballast and spoil workings.


Looks to short for a Sea Urchin Looks more like a Coal Fish.

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> BH Williams wrote:
>> "Mike Cook"  wrote in message
>> news:nPXVe.5062$hQ4.698@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> > Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
>> >
>> > www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> Not 100% certain, Mike, because of the angle it's taken from, but it 
>> looks
>> like a ZCA 'Sea Urchin', quantities of which were built on the 
>> underframes
>> of redundant air-braked vans and open wagons. They're used mainly for
>> ballast and spoil workings.
>
> Looks to short for a Sea Urchin Looks more like a Coal Fish.
>

I had thought that, but the brackets holding the end of the suspension 
looked wrong for a Coalfish to me
Brian

COALFISH are ex Coal trucks ! HAA - HEA

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> COALFISH are ex Coal trucks ! HAA - HEA
>

Surely it's not that funny :-)

D...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> COALFISH are ex Coal trucks ! HAA - HEA


Wrong. The frame work and running gear are ex HAA/HEAs but the body
work is brand new.

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> D...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>> COALFISH are ex Coal trucks ! HAA - HEA
>
> Wrong. The frame work and running gear are ex HAA/HEAs but the body
> work is brand new.
>

I believe the 'FISHKND' designation was only applied to the first few ex-HAA 
wagons (now coded MHA). The 'MFA's bodywork is not strictly brand new, as 
the wagons were originally converted to high sided opens (MEA)for coal and 
scrap traffic, and subsequently cut down for use on infrastructure work.
I'll stick with my original identification of the photo as a ZCA, due to the 
very obvious 'fishbelly' solebar, characteristic of the first-generation 
air-braked merchandise wagons.
Brian

I didnt mention the bodywork !!!

Anyway with the parking brake in the middle of the vehicle its a sea
urchin !

If the parking brake is over the trailing wheelset its an ex coal
vehicle ! 

IM

"BH Williams"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:1126800529.216359.121310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> D...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>>> COALFISH are ex Coal trucks ! HAA - HEA
>>
>> Wrong. The frame work and running gear are ex HAA/HEAs but the body
>> work is brand new.
>>
> I believe the 'FISHKND' designation was only applied to the first few 
> ex-HAA wagons (now coded MHA). The 'MFA's bodywork is not strictly brand 
> new, as the wagons were originally converted to high sided opens (MEA)for 
> coal and scrap traffic, and subsequently cut down for use on 
> infrastructure work.
> I'll stick with my original identification of the photo as a ZCA, due to 
> the very obvious 'fishbelly' solebar, characteristic of the 
> first-generation air-braked merchandise wagons.
> Brian


Yes I would concur with Brian and say its a ZCA with one of the strengthened 
bodies on a van chassis.

Cheers Paul

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> BH Williams wrote:
>> "Mike Cook"  wrote in message
>> news:nPXVe.5062$hQ4.698@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> > Can some identify what type of wagon this is :-
>> >
>> > www.mjcook.co.uk/images/wagon.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> Not 100% certain, Mike, because of the angle it's taken from, but it 
>> looks
>> like a ZCA 'Sea Urchin', quantities of which were built on the 
>> underframes
>> of redundant air-braked vans and open wagons. They're used mainly for
>> ballast and spoil workings.
>
> Looks to short for a Sea Urchin Looks more like a Coal Fish.
>


Not tall enough for a coalfish, I'd say either sea urchin or possibly MTA.