In this last few days I've experienced whole rafts of read,
answered (if necessary) and deleted 'uk.railway' posts
reappearing when I next log into the newsgroup In Box.

I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
at the moment.

It isn't happening in any of my other newsgroups and
e-groups so can anyone advise?


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free and checked
by a leading anti-virus system - updated continuously.

Most likely to be your ISP Eddie...

 - And on Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:51:27 GMT, it was spake thus <j1VVe.68126$2n6.12518@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk> said in message "Eddie Bellass" :


> In this last few days I've experienced whole rafts of read,
> answered (if necessary) and deleted 'uk.railway' posts
> reappearing when I next log into the newsgroup In Box.
> 
> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
> at the moment.
> 
> It isn't happening in any of my other newsgroups and
> e-groups so can anyone advise?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)
> 
> Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
> of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.
> 
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free and checked
> by a leading anti-virus system - updated continuously. 
> 


-- 
Nick

All my own comments !

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> In this last few days I've experienced whole rafts of read,
> answered (if necessary) and deleted 'uk.railway' posts
> reappearing when I next log into the newsgroup In Box.
> 
> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180

                         ***************

> at the moment.


There's your problem.
You need a real newsreader.

Andrew Yarnwood wrote:

>> In this last few days I've experienced whole rafts of read,
>> answered (if necessary) and deleted 'uk.railway' posts
>> reappearing when I next log into the newsgroup In Box.
>>
>> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
>                          ***************
>> at the moment.
>
> There's your problem.
> You need a real newsreader.


OE doesn't, IME, produce duplicate posts unless the Local File / Reset
facility has been used.  If the user hasn't reset the group, then it's
almost certainly the ISP's news server which is the source of the
duplication.
-- 
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

> There's your problem.
> You need a real newsreader.

----------------------------------------

But it's a very recent phenomenon, while I've been
'Net connected for via IE/OE for 10 years or more.


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free and checked
by a leading anti-virus system - updated continuously.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:31:13 +0000, Eddie Bellass wrote:


>> There's your problem.
>> You need a real newsreader.
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> But it's a very recent phenomenon, while I've been 'Net connected for via
> IE/OE for 10 years or more.
> 


I would agree with others, it's most likely an issue with your ISP / News
provider.  Check that they haven't been resetting groups.

As a point of interest...  Whilst it is possible that you've used IE for
10 years, the 'or more' isn't, as IE1 was released in July 1995.  IE3
(which is the first IE most people would have seen was released in August
1996.
Outlook Express wasn't released until IE4 (sometime in 1997).

Prior to these dates, real browsers and news readers ruled the roost.

-- 
TimW

tiM` wrote:


> I would agree with others, it's most likely an issue with your ISP / News
> provider.  Check that they haven't been resetting groups.
> 
> As a point of interest...  Whilst it is possible that you've used IE for
> 10 years, the 'or more' isn't, as IE1 was released in July 1995.  IE3
> (which is the first IE most people would have seen was released in August
> 1996.
> Outlook Express wasn't released until IE4 (sometime in 1997).


IE3 did have optional downloads with the unimaginative names of 
"Internet Mail" and "Internet News", succeeded by OE, but I don't 
think either of them got much market share.

Andrew Yarnwood wrote:
(in response to Eddie's:)

>> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
>                          ***************
> There's your problem. You need a real newsreader.


Eddie's problem is nothing to do with the fact he is using OE. Based on
his description, his ISP has (at least partly) reset its newsserver. 

OE *is* a real newsreader. It may not have the various features that
cleverer newsreaders have to make life easier, and it does indeed have
that indefinable Microsoft quality to it, but if you think OE is, for
example, a spreadsheet or a word processor, then you've misunderstood
rather more than just the nature of this problem.
-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632894.html
(33 117 at Poole, 10 May 1985)

"Chris Tolley"  wrote in message 
news:1baj8tfbj1r2v.oj0xg2hp4au7$.dlg@40tude.net...

> Andrew Yarnwood wrote:
> (in response to Eddie's:)
>>> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
>>                          ***************
>> There's your problem. You need a real newsreader.
>
> Eddie's problem is nothing to do with the fact he is using OE. Based on
> his description, his ISP has (at least partly) reset its newsserver.
>
> OE *is* a real newsreader. It may not have the various features that
> cleverer newsreaders have to make life easier, and it does indeed have
> that indefinable Microsoft quality to it, but if you think OE is, for
> example, a spreadsheet or a word processor, then you've misunderstood
> rather more than just the nature of this problem.
> -- 


Sorry Chris,

OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.

Wilson

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:43:58 +0100, Tom Cumming 
wrote:


>IE3 did have optional downloads with the unimaginative names of 
>"Internet Mail" and "Internet News", succeeded by OE, but I don't 
>think either of them got much market share.


The original Internet Mail was quite good, but it (and Internet News)
got worse with the following release, as I recall, losing the tree
view (for example) that didn't make a reappearance until OE.

OE is probably badly named, however, as (as far as I am aware) the
code base has just about nothing to do with "full blown" Outlook.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:33:55 GMT, "Wilson.R.Adams"
 wrote:


>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  


How would you define a "real newsreader", then?


>It's an Email programme,
>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.


The term is "program", and news and e-mail clients lend themselves
quite well to combination due to the similar principles on which the
two types of software operate.

I speak as a Free Agent user, though I have used OE in the past, and
can understand why others may wish to do so as it was entirely
adequate.  My main reason for changing to a dedicated newsreader was
because I went over to accessing my mail by telnet and PINE, then
later webmail.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4328730c.2518651@news.tesco.net...

> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:33:55 GMT, "Wilson.R.Adams"
>  wrote:
>
>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.
>
> How would you define a "real newsreader", then?


A real newsreader, is a program decatied to reading newsgroups only.
However, most news reader programs, if not all, now have the email
facility added.


>
>>It's an Email programme,
>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>
> The term is "program", and news and e-mail clients lend themselves
> quite well to combination due to the similar principles on which the
> two types of software operate.


Sorry, typo error.


>
> I speak as a Free Agent user, though I have used OE in the past, and
> can understand why others may wish to do so as it was entirely
> adequate.  My main reason for changing to a dedicated newsreader was
> because I went over to accessing my mail by telnet and PINE, then
> later webmail.


I use Forte Agent, for posting images, as well as viewing Yenc coded files
and other files types that OE cannot handle, but will use OE for emails.

Wilson

Wilson.R.Adams wrote:

>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.


Then why are you using it?


Neil Sunderland
-- 
Braunton, Devon
Please observe the Reply-To address.

NP: Men at Work - It's A Mistake (from the album 'Cargo')

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Wilson.R.Adams wrote:


> A real newsreader, is a program decatied to reading newsgroups only.
> However, most news reader programs, if not all, now have the email
> facility added.


What would you make of a Program for Internet News and Email, one
wonders.

[of OE]

> >>It's an Email programme,
> >>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.


Well, maybe, using the term "email" in a broad sense.  OE seems to do 
some proprietary email stuff rather well, but is notorious for failure 
to conform with Internet email specifications.  Many a time our mailer 
rejects mails for violation of MUST requirements in the RFCs, only to 
be told that it had no business to reject the Great OE since it by 
definition must be correct!

I think the bottom line is that anything that has "MS" and "The 
Internet" in the same sentence is going to end in tears.

"Neil Sunderland"  wrote in message 
news:rlvgi1le4rcve51bhplu9v9mrjm57uuvmt@4ax.com...

> Wilson.R.Adams wrote:
>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>
> Then why are you using it?


Good question,

I've often wondered that myself.

Perhaps I'm too lazy to set-up Agent to receive and post emails from.

:-)))))

Wilson

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:43:12 GMT, Wilson.R.Adams wrote in
<k3%Ve.9193$zw1.5010@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, seen in uk.railway:

[...]

> I use Forte Agent, for posting images, as well as viewing Yenc coded files
> and other files types that OE cannot handle, but will use OE for emails.


And for newsgroups too, because the headers of your post contain the
immortal line:

>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670


I think that maybe you should stop digging before you get too deep.

-- 
Ross, a.k.a.
Prof. E. Scrooge, CT, 153 & bar, Doctor of Cynicism (U. Life)
Hon. Pres., National Soc. for the Encouragement for Cruelty to Dogboxes
Proud to be the target of various trolls, sock puppets and other idiots

> I speak as a Free Agent user, though I have used OE in the past, and
> can understand why others may wish to do so as it was entirely
> adequate.


I've been using OE since I switched from my Amiga back in the mid 1990s or
thereabouts and as far as I'm concern, it works just fine, M$ bashers and
other newreader snobs not withstanding.

I'm not interested in _any_ of the features offered by the so-called
"better" newsreaders.  OE provides me with readable text, in black and
white, in the font I like and it's easy to use to edit posts for reply.
Something many other people with so-called "better" newsreaders need to
learn how to do.


--
Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

"Wilson.R.Adams


>> How would you define a "real newsreader", then?


A program used by newsgroup reader snobs who think anything to do with M$ is
crap.


--
Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

"Neil Sunderland" <


>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.


OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups.  I have no desire to change
as I can't see anything wrong with OE.

Nothing "CRAP" about it, unless you are an anti M$ snob.


--
Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

Wilson.R.Adams wrote:

>Perhaps I'm too lazy to set-up Agent to receive and post emails from.


If laziness had anything to do with it you'd top-post :)


Neil Sunderland
-- 
Braunton, Devon
Please observe the Reply-To address.

NP: Supergrass - What Went Wrong (In Your Head) (from the album 'Supergrass')

Roger T. wrote:

>
>"Neil Sunderland" <
>
>>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>
>OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups.  I have no desire to change
>as I can't see anything wrong with OE.
>
>Nothing "CRAP" about it, unless you are an anti M$ snob.


The problem is usually not Outlook, just the idiots who use it.
Especially the ones who can't get their attributions right...


Neil Sunderland
-- 
Braunton, Devon
Please observe the Reply-To address.

NP: Finn Brothers - Part of Me, Part of You (from the album 'Everyone Is Here')

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Roger T. wrote:


> "Neil Sunderland" <


What has *he* got to do with anything that you quoted???


> >>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
> >>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
> 
> OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups. 


That's nice for you.  Seems to make a mess of followups, though.
And that's not nice for the rest of us.


> I have no desire to change


Nevertheless, there are interworking specifications, and MS seems
keen on violating them.


> as I can't see anything wrong with OE.


You wouldn't.  It's the rest of usenet who have to live with the 
consequences.


> Nothing "CRAP" about it,


The fact is that considerable numbers of postings made with it are 
crap.  A few of its users have learned to tame it so that it doesn't
make too much of a nuisance of itself, but that doesn't change the 
underlying problem.


> unless you are an anti M$ snob.


"I couldn't possibly comment".

OK Tim...

I got my first PC in 1995, succeeding a rather weird machine
with a name I've now forgotten and before that being on
Prestel, both at work (BT) 1985-89 (when I retired) and at home.

*800 Baud modem, anyone? Key in the mid-1980s equivalent
of a URL, then put the kettle on! :-)


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free and checked
by a leading anti-virus system - updated continuously.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:19 -0700, "Roger T."
 wrote:


>
>"Neil Sunderland" <
>
>>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>
>OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups. 


Text, maybe, but for viewing groups that use Yenc coding for posting
binaries, etc, it's not much use to man or beast.

K9-70

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:33:19 +0100, Ross 
wrote:


>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:43:12 GMT, Wilson.R.Adams wrote in
><k3%Ve.9193$zw1.5010@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, seen in uk.railway:
>
>[...]
>> I use Forte Agent, for posting images, as well as viewing Yenc coded files
>> and other files types that OE cannot handle, but will use OE for emails.
>
>And for newsgroups too, because the headers of your post contain the
>immortal line:
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670
>
>I think that maybe you should stop digging before you get too deep.


Thanks for the advice Ross,

Wilson

Wilson.R.Adams wrote:

> Perhaps I'm too lazy to set-up Agent to receive and post emails from.


But surely Agent isn't a Real(TM) email client? ;)

eat

(quite happy with Thundbird for email and usenet so there :P )

-- 
<><|"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure
....|      is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby
ScR|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scot-rail/
Pix|http://photos.eatnet.org.uk/

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:35:50 -0700, "Roger T."
 wrote:


>
>"Wilson.R.Adams
>
>>> How would you define a "real newsreader", then?
>
>A program used by newsgroup reader snobs who think anything to do with M$ is
>crap.


What about the software used by non-snobs who also think that anything
to do with Micros**t is crap ?
-- 
                                                             _______
 +---------------------------------------------------+      |\\   //|
 | Charles Ellson: charles@e11son.demon.co.uk        |      | \\ // |
 +---------------------------------------------------+      |  > <  |
                                                            | // \\ |
                                              Alba gu brath |//___\\|

"Wilson Adams"


>>>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>>
>>OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups.
>
> Text, maybe, but for viewing groups that use Yenc coding for posting
> binaries, etc, it's not much use to man or beast.



Probably.  I'm sure Bill and Co. will come up with a fix in due course.  In
the meantime,  I don't bother with those groups.  :-)


--
Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

"Eddie Bellass"


> I got my first PC in 1995, succeeding a rather weird machine
> with a name I've now forgotten and before that being on
> Prestel, both at work (BT) 1985-89 (when I retired) and at home.
>
> *800 Baud modem, anyone? Key in the mid-1980s equivalent
> of a URL, then put the kettle on! :-)


My Amiga 500 first used a 500 baud modem, then I moved up to a blisteringly
fast 1200 baud.  :-)


--
Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:04:29 -0700, "Roger T."
 wrote:


>
>"Wilson Adams"
>
>>>>>OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.  It's an Email programme,
>>>>>with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.
>>>
>>>OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups.
>>
>> Text, maybe, but for viewing groups that use Yenc coding for posting
>> binaries, etc, it's not much use to man or beast.
>
>
>Probably.  I'm sure Bill and Co. will come up with a fix in due course.  In
>the meantime,  I don't bother with those groups.  :-)


I doubt it.

What other groups are you referring to ?????.

Wilson

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:30:00 +0100, Ewan  wrote:


>Wilson.R.Adams wrote:
>> Perhaps I'm too lazy to set-up Agent to receive and post emails from.
>
>But surely Agent isn't a Real(TM) email client? ;)
>
>eat


I'll have a HAGGIS please, if you can catch one :-)))))



>
>(quite happy with Thundbird for email and usenet so there :P )


By all means, Whatever tickles your fancy, or kilt.

Wilson

Wilson.R.Adams wrote:

> Sorry Chris, OE is "NOT" a real newsreader.   It's an Email programme,
> with a "CRAP" newsreader added to it.


Well, anything that reads newsgroups is self-evidently a newsreader, and
manifestly Outlook Express does that. I don't disagree that it is
outperformed by many competing products in many different ways. And as
you may have noticed, I don't use OE myself. The vast majority of users
will be happy using OE. It is only those who find it doesn't do
something they want who will look for something else. 

Claiming that OE is not a *real* newsreader because it doesn't do XYZ is
like trying to argue orange juice is not a drink because *real* drinks
contain alcohol. It's a form of snobbery, based on the supposition that
others are not as clever as the cognoscenti, and snobbishness usually
reveals much more about the claimant than the claim. But let's not fall
out about it, eh? Let's join forces and rant about Googlegroups.

Wilson Adams wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:19 -0700, "Roger T."
>>OE works perfectly well for reading newsgroups. 
> 
> Text, maybe, but for viewing groups that use Yenc coding for posting
> binaries, etc, it's not much use to man or beast.


So... OE isn't a real newsreader because real newsreaders just read
newsgroups. BUT to underline OE's shortcomings, you cite binaries, which
are themselves an example of piggybacking one format on top of another
and then for good measure throw in a reference to y-Encoding, the most
complained-about thing in usenet that isn't related to M$. 

You are Oscar Wilde AICMFP!
-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683655.html
(52050 (Class 108) at Stockport, Jun 1985)

"Chris Tolley"  wrote in message
news:1baj8tfbj1r2v.oj0xg2hp4au7$.dlg@40tude.net...

> Andrew Yarnwood wrote:
> (in response to Eddie's:)
> >> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
> >                          ***************
> > There's your problem. You need a real newsreader.
>
> Eddie's problem is nothing to do with the fact he is using OE. Based on
> his description, his ISP has (at least partly) reset its newsserver.
>
> OE *is* a real newsreader. It may not have the various features that
> cleverer newsreaders have to make life easier, and it does indeed have
> that indefinable Microsoft quality to it, but if you think OE is, for
> example, a spreadsheet or a word processor, then you've misunderstood
> rather more than just the nature of this problem.
> -- 
> http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632894.html
> (33 117 at Poole, 10 May 1985)


exactly Chris, I've experienced teh same problem recently when my news
server goes down and the provider gets a temporary feed from Newsfeeds or
one of the other servers.  I have the problem on abpr at the moment with a
retention of 29,000+ posts many of them duplicates.  Oh and BTW I use the
GNER of readers, Agent, but prefer reading non-binary groups and posting
with OE (the Virgin of news readers).

BF




----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

> OE *is* a real newsreader. It may not have the various features that
> cleverer newsreaders have to make life easier, and it does indeed have
> that indefinable Microsoft quality to it, but if you think OE is, for
> example, a spreadsheet or a word processor, then you've misunderstood
> rather more than just the nature of this problem.


Does that "indefinable quality" include the fact that OE and Outlook
are responsible for about 70% of the virus traffic on the internet,
90% of the top-posting on usenet and about 98% of the top-posting in
e-mail?

"Andrew Yarnwood"  wrote in message
news:XTM3K8V938609.9699189815@anonymous.poster...

> > OE *is* a real newsreader. It may not have the various features that
> > cleverer newsreaders have to make life easier, and it does indeed have
> > that indefinable Microsoft quality to it, but if you think OE is, for
> > example, a spreadsheet or a word processor, then you've misunderstood
> > rather more than just the nature of this problem.
>
> Does that "indefinable quality" include the fact that OE and Outlook
> are responsible for about 70% of the virus traffic on the internet,
> 90% of the top-posting on usenet and about 98% of the top-posting in
> e-mail?
>

Possibly because a similar proportion of people use OE or Outlook. If they
used another program you can be sure the virus-writers and hackers would
adjust accordingly. The same goes for Macs and Eunuchs !!
Cheerz,
Baz

"Andrew Yarnwood"  wrote in message 
news:FI8JZBG838609.4219444444@anonymous.poster...

>> In this last few days I've experienced whole rafts of read,
>> answered (if necessary) and deleted 'uk.railway' posts
>> reappearing when I next log into the newsgroup In Box.
>>
>> I'm looking at them in Outlook Express v. 6.00.2900.2180
>                         ***************
>> at the moment.
>
> There's your problem.
> You need a real newsreader.


I disagree.... It's more than likley to be your ISP. I used to have similar 
problems with NTL but, they have been OK recently.

KW

Bryan Flint wrote:


> I use the GNER of readers


Now there's a double-edged remark. I don't have a lot of experience of
GNER travel, because I live outside their sphere of influence. However,
the other day I was on one of their HST's. I was in a second class
carriage, which was internally decorated in tones of mustard (French
rather than English), fawn, and what Stanley Gibbons calls "drab". But
it wasn't that which worried me so much as when one looked around,
especially at the ceiling light panels, the whole thing was in need of a
thorough clean.

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9633010.html
(What a Peak (45 110) looks like without its nose - Derby Works, 1980)

Andrew Yarnwood wrote:

>> OE ... does indeed have that indefinable Microsoft quality to it
> 
> Does that "indefinable quality" include the fact that OE and Outlook
> are responsible for about 70% of the virus traffic on the internet,
> 90% of the top-posting on usenet and about 98% of the top-posting in
> e-mail?

No, every one of those things is down to the people who use OE or choose
to attack OE. Virus writers are doing something nasty, and the reason
they do it to Microsoft products is that it makes their target audience
bigger. People who top post are just in need of education, just as we
all are, all our lives.

Alleging that either is Microsoft's fault seems rather like in the first
case blaming London Underground because you got the flu from the person
sitting next to you on a tube, or the second, blaming a car manufacturer
for someone who drives the wrong way up a one-way street.

Chris Tolley  wrote:

> Well, anything that reads newsgroups is self-evidently a newsreader, and
> manifestly Outlook Express does that. I don't disagree that it is
> outperformed by many competing products in many different ways.


Hmm, how long before someone claims to use `cat` read the newsspool on
the server directly and `ed` to post?  I can feel a "Four Yorkshiremen"
sketch coming on...

Jim'll

J.P.Knight@lboro.ac.uk wrote:

> Hmm, how long before someone claims to use `cat` read the newsspool on
> the server directly and `ed` to post?  I can feel a "Four Yorkshiremen"
> sketch coming on...
> 


"We used to *DREAM* of cat and ed! Luxury, lad, we 'ad to read t'spool
files with od and post by dd'ing to t'raw news partition. ;)

"Dd'ing to t'raw partition? You don't know you're born. We 'ad to read
th'articles by piecing together t'chad from t'paper tape reader, an'
post 'em by putting us wet fingers on't data bus!"

"Well *WE* 'ad to use Outlook Express!"

pete
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pete@fenelon.com "Obviously crime pays, or there'd be no crime"-G Gordon Liddy

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:32:53 +0100, Pete Fenelon wrote:


> J.P.Knight@lboro.ac.uk wrote:
>> [quoted text muted]
> "We used to *DREAM* of cat and ed! Luxury, lad, we 'ad to read t'spool
> files with od and post by dd'ing to t'raw news partition. ;)
> 
> "Dd'ing to t'raw partition? You don't know you're born. We 'ad to read
> th'articles by piecing together t'chad from t'paper tape reader, an' post
> 'em by putting us wet fingers on't data bus!"
> 
> "Well *WE* 'ad to use Outlook Express!"
> 

ROTFL
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TimW