What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
or just chopped up for scrap?

number14 wrote:

> What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
> or just chopped up for scrap?


I don't know if these applies strictly to locos but I think when
certain recent 'Thumpers' were scrapped, a certain depot down here had
taken all the bits it needed to be used as spares for some stock it
runs.

--
Nathan Whitington <><

nathan@nathanwhitington.co.uk wrote:

> number14 wrote:
> > What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
> > or just chopped up for scrap?
>
> I don't know if these applies strictly to locos but I think when
> certain recent 'Thumpers' were scrapped, a certain depot down here had
> taken all the bits it needed to be used as spares for some stock it
> runs.
>
> --
> Nathan Whitington <><


Bits of traction motors = COPPER = £££££££££££ = Happy
Scrapman
Thats why so much is getting cut these days unfortunatly .

On 13 Sep 2005 11:55:22 -0700, "number14"  wrote:


>What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
>or just chopped up for scrap?


lots of bits get re-used, especially engines.

I read a story just recently about a maybach 650 (Class 52) lump was
purchased from a scrap yard where it was powering the hydraulics on a
crusher.

Back in the mid 80's the company I worked for developed a generator
booster set for a client where 3 phase was fed into an enormous motor
with a 3/4 ton flywheel, the shaft then passed onto the modified crank
of an engine from (I think) a class 31, out the other side onto
another 3ph generator. The cylinder head had been heavily modified so
the valves (and other bits) were held open by solenoids powered from
the input AC. When that failed (i.e. the power went off) the solenoids
would drop the valves and pump drives back onto the cam shaft and the
engine self started, no drop in output etc. Oil & coolant was pumped
electrically as the diesel generated a bit of warmth just turning,
even with no fire.

Also, (slightly off topic but similar vein) a mate of mine had a  boat
powered by two Leyland BUT bus engines. They had no power to push a
bus around, but for just pootling around on the Nusha Ra they were
perfect.

number14  wrote:

> What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
> or just chopped up for scrap?


Depends. Deltic bogies were common with 37s, IIRC, and some 37s were
re-equipped after the Deltics went away, and (moving from locos to EMUs)
the traction motors and much of the electrical gubbins of the 4-REPs
went into the Wessex Electrics....  (and weren't the Networkers built
from bits of 4-CIGs?)

pete
-- 
pete@fenelon.com "Obviously crime pays, or there'd be no crime"-G Gordon Liddy

number14 wrote:

> What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they
> reused or just chopped up for scrap?


Some parts must get reused; I've been on several class 315 units
whose compressors sounds like they've been transplanted from a 306.
-- 
Paul Robertson (class303fan@zzzbtopenworld.com)
Glasgow (remove zzz from above to reply)

Paul Robertson wrote:

> number14 wrote:
> > What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they
> > reused or just chopped up for scrap?
>
> Some parts must get reused


It would make sense.  A good place to find replacement bits for toasted
86s would be one taken out of service and heading for the scrapyard :o)

peter

naked_draughtsman wrote:


> It would make sense.  A good place to find replacement bits for toasted
> 86s would be one taken out of service and heading for the scrapyard :o)


When the 87s were being built, the 86s, which previously had two
compressors per loco, each lost one.  The 87s were supplied from those
removed from the 86s.

"number14"  wrote in message

> What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
> or just chopped up for scrap?


Some stuff is certainly re-used to keep older locos running.

The EWS owned former Springs Branch Depot in Wigan is known as the CRDC - 
Component Recovery and Disposal Centre. Presumably it does what it says on 
the tin!

A

"Chippy"  wrote in message 
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> naked_draughtsman wrote:
>
>> It would make sense.  A good place to find replacement bits for toasted
>> 86s would be one taken out of service and heading for the scrapyard :o)
>
> When the 87s were being built, the 86s, which previously had two
> compressors per loco, each lost one.  The 87s were supplied from those
> removed from the 86s.
>


A nice gentleman in the cab of one of the AC Loco Group's machines told me 
the same story at Crewe on Sunday... Apparently the Hornby 86 model includes 
both compressors rather than the gap in the underframe which should be 
there - even on the Virgin liveried one...

A

> Bits of traction motors = COPPER = £££££££££££ = Happy
> Scrapman
> Thats why so much is getting cut these days unfortunatly .


And urban myth suggests the copper fireboxes from locomotives scrapped
at the end of steam in the 60s was used for the electrification of the
WCML.

Pete Fenelon wrote:

> number14  wrote:
> 
>>What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
>>or just chopped up for scrap?
> 
> 
> Depends. Deltic bogies were common with 37s, IIRC, and some 37s were
> re-equipped after the Deltics went away, and (moving from locos to EMUs)
> the traction motors and much of the electrical gubbins of the 4-REPs
> went into the Wessex Electrics....  (and weren't the Networkers built
> from bits of 4-CIGs?)


Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers (which 
are based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic 
gubbins to go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed 
up) proposal to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called something 
like Adtrans Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was 
never followed up.

Robin

"R.C. Payne"  wrote in message 
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> Pete Fenelon wrote:
>> number14  wrote:
>>
>>>What happens to the bits, traction motors, engines etc, are they reused
>>>or just chopped up for scrap?
>>
>>
>> Depends. Deltic bogies were common with 37s, IIRC, and some 37s were
>> re-equipped after the Deltics went away, and (moving from locos to EMUs)
>> the traction motors and much of the electrical gubbins of the 4-REPs
>> went into the Wessex Electrics....  (and weren't the Networkers built
>> from bits of 4-CIGs?)
>
> Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers (which are 
> based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic gubbins to 
> go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed up) proposal 
> to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called something like Adtrans 
> Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was never followed 
> up.


Yup, Class 424 'Networker Classic' - a Turbostar-style body (but with 
non-swing plug sliding doors) mounted on a recovered 421 underframe, using 
the original bogies and electrical equipment. One DTSO was 'built' and it 
ended there. That vehicle is, apparently, up for sale but details aren't 
known.

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Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

R.C. Payne wrote:

> Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers (which
> are based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic
> gubbins to go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed
> up) proposal to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called something
> like Adtrans Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was
> never followed up.


He could be thinking of the Class 455's and 456's which re-used
traction motors from the HAP's and EPB's.

Whilst on the subject the Southern 2-Nol's underframes were used for
the 'Bullied' 2-HAP's.

--
Nathan Whitington <><

wrote in message 
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>
> R.C. Payne wrote:
>> Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers (which
>> are based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic
>> gubbins to go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed
>> up) proposal to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called something
>> like Adtrans Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was
>> never followed up.
>
> He could be thinking of the Class 455's and 456's which re-used
> traction motors from the HAP's and EPB's.
>
> Whilst on the subject the Southern 2-Nol's underframes were used for
> the 'Bullied' 2-HAP's.
>
> --
> Nathan Whitington <><


>


I think you will find that they were origionaly known as 2 NOPS


-- 
Eric

Rich Mackin wrote:


> Yup, Class 424 'Networker Classic' - a Turbostar-style body (but with 
> non-swing plug sliding doors) mounted on a recovered 421 underframe, using 
> the original bogies and electrical equipment. One DTSO was 'built' and it 
> ended there. That vehicle is, apparently, up for sale but details aren't 
> known.


I remember seeing pictures of it on static display in London Victoria or
somewhere like that. But did it ever carry any people for real?

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14486563.html
(50 038 at Sherborne, 15 May 1985)

"Chris Tolley"  wrote in message 
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> Rich Mackin wrote:
>
>> Yup, Class 424 'Networker Classic' - a Turbostar-style body (but with
>> non-swing plug sliding doors) mounted on a recovered 421 underframe, 
>> using
>> the original bogies and electrical equipment. One DTSO was 'built' and it
>> ended there. That vehicle is, apparently, up for sale but details aren't
>> known.
>
> I remember seeing pictures of it on static display in London Victoria or
> somewhere like that. But did it ever carry any people for real?


AFAIK, it was only shown as a demonstration and never used in service.

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Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

In article <1126706686.463484.87790@f14g2000cwb.googlegro
ups.com>, nathan@nathanwhitington.co.uk writes

>
>R.C. Payne wrote:
>> Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers 
>(which
>> are based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic
>> gubbins to go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed
>> up) proposal to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called 
>something
>> like Adtrans Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was
>> never followed up.
>
>He could be thinking of the Class 455's and 456's which re-used
>traction motors from the HAP's and EPB's.
>

Are you sure about that? I thought I remembered Roger Ford in
Modern Railways remarking on the final end of production of new
EE507 motors when the 456s were completed. Or maybe only
some of them got new motors?

Also wouldn't it be SUBs that provided motors for 455s? I thought
most of the HAPs and EPBs weren't withdrawn until after most of
the 455s had already been built. But again, I may have
remembered it wrongly.
-- 
Martin Ludgate

"Martin Ludgate"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1126706686.463484.87790@f14g2000cwb.googlegro
> ups.com>, nathan@nathanwhitington.co.uk writes
>>
>>R.C. Payne wrote:
>>> Not sure what bits from 4-CIGs would be common with networkers
>>(which
>>> are based on 3 phase traction motors and all that power electronic
>>> gubbins to go with it).  Sure you aren't thinking of the (not followed
>>> up) proposal to put new bodies on Mk 1 EMU underframes (called
>>something
>>> like Adtrans Classic)?  I think one vehicle was made, but the idea was
>>> never followed up.
>>
>>He could be thinking of the Class 455's and 456's which re-used
>>traction motors from the HAP's and EPB's.
>>
> Are you sure about that? I thought I remembered Roger Ford in
> Modern Railways remarking on the final end of production of new
> EE507 motors when the 456s were completed. Or maybe only
> some of them got new motors?
>
> Also wouldn't it be SUBs that provided motors for 455s? I thought
> most of the HAPs and EPBs weren't withdrawn until after most of
> the 455s had already been built. But again, I may have
> remembered it wrongly.
> -- 
> Martin Ludgate
>
>

455's got the 4sub motors and compressors

I recall the class 56 cab heater problem when they were being delivered
new. Did BR not re-use cab heaters from scapped class 24s in this
programme ?

No so much on the traction front, but I believe the Southern Region
(experts at reuse of redundant equipment) rip the bodies of the old
pullman cars and use them as CWR wagons ? I am trying to remember the
"fishknd" but my memory lets me down !! Marlin maybe ?

I also believe the urban myth that certain (noisy) class 40s had their
cooling fans replaced with ships propellers - 40027 Parthia being one.

Ok, all right, I spose that last bit is not quite believable !!!

Regards
Phil