Who owns what?
I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
is to repoint at the back of the house.
The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
_______ _______ _______
| | x| |y z| |
| | x| |y z| |
| | x| |y z| |
| | x| |y z| |
| |______x| |y____z| |_______
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | My | |
| | House | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
|_______________|______________|_______________|
Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
door to repoint wall 'z'.
Cheers
Martin
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Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Martin Carroll wrote:
> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
[snipped a load of garbage]
Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one?
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:22:15 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
"Martin Carroll" wrote in message
news:QzFNzTDvsJJDFAfY@tonal.demon.co.uk...
> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
> is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
> The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
> _______ _______ _______
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | |______x| |y____z| |_______
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | My | |
> | | House | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> |_______________|______________|_______________|
>
>
> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>
> If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
> door to repoint wall 'z'.
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
> --
> Martin Carroll
Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional
font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message
source to view in a fixed font
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:27:45 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote:
>I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
>is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
>The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
> _______ _______ _______
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| |______x| |y____z| |_______
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | My | |
>| | House | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>|_______________|______________|_______________|
>
>
>Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
Normally x & y unless there is something in the Land Registry
information to the contrary
>
>If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
>door to repoint wall 'z'.
No, normally he is responsible for z but would come to you to ask for
access to it for repair. Likewise you would ask the other neighbour
for access to repair x.
>
>Cheers
>
>Martin
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Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:29:12 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:22:15 GMT, "ben" wrote:
>Martin Carroll wrote:
>> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
>> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>>
>[snipped a load of garbage]
>
>Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one?
>
No need.
If you use a fixed font, it's perfectly readable.
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To email, substitute .nospam with .gl
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:31:03 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
ben wrote:
> [snipped a load of garbage]
It's a fine ASCII drawing.
> Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one?
Because you can't be bothered to understand the concept of fixed width?
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Grunff
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:33:42 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Martin Carroll wrote:
> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
> The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
> _______ _______ _______
>> | x| |y z| |
>> | x| |y z| |
>> | x| |y z| |
>> | x| |y z| |
>> |______x| |y____z| |_______
>> | | |
>> | | |
>> | | |
>> | My | |
>> | House | |
>> | | |
>> | | |
>> | | |
>> _______________|______________|_______________|
>
>
> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>
> If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
> door to repoint wall 'z'.
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
Dunno. What do the deeds say?
Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next door's
garden - for which you will need permission!
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Set Square
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Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:37:49 +0100
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Re: Who owns what?
Set Square wrote:
[snip]
>
> Dunno. What do the deeds say?
>
> Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next
> door's garden - for which you will need permission!
Or in this case backyard? :-)
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:42:15 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Andy Hall wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
> wrote:
>
>
>>I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
>>is to repoint at the back of the house.
>>
>>The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
>>_______ _______ _______
>>| | x| |y z| |
>>| | x| |y z| |
>>| | x| |y z| |
>>| | x| |y z| |
>>| |______x| |y____z| |_______
>>| | | |
>>| | | |
>>| | | |
>>| | My | |
>>| | House | |
>>| | | |
>>| | | |
>>| | | |
>>|_______________|______________|_______________|
>>
>>
>>Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>
>
> Normally x & y unless there is something in the Land Registry
> information to the contrary
>
>
>
>>If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
>>door to repoint wall 'z'.
>
>
> No, normally he is responsible for z but would come to you to ask for
> access to it for repair. Likewise you would ask the other neighbour
> for access to repair x.
My deeds state that I can have access at 'all reasonable times' to
maintain a wall like x.
Dave
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:48:36 +0000 (UTC)
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
N Cook wrote:
> "Martin Carroll" wrote in message
> news:QzFNzTDvsJJDFAfY@tonal.demon.co.uk...
>> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
>> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>>
>> The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
>> _______ _______ _______
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> |______x| |y____z| |_______
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | My | |
>>> | House | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> _______________|______________|_______________|
>>
>>
>> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>>
>> If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
>> door to repoint wall 'z'.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Martin
>> --
>> Martin Carroll
>
>
> Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional
> font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message
> source to view in a fixed font
Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-)
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:53:30 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
ben wrote:
> Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-)
!!!
Says he who kicked off with "[snipped a load of garbage]".
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Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:02:23 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Grunff wrote:
> ben wrote:
>
>> Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-)
>
> !!!
>
> Says he who kicked off with "[snipped a load of garbage]".
dispose of nff and put mpy in its place.
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:07:23 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
ben wrote:
> dispose of nff and put mpy in its place.
ROFLMAO. Such wit. You crack me up.
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Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:12:02 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In message <be1Ve.106875$G8.48@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, ben
writes
>Martin Carroll wrote:
>> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
>> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>>
>[snipped a load of garbage]
>
>Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one?
>
Or better still, see what it says on the deeds
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geoff
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:57:33 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article <uH1Ve.106924$G8.30570@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
allo@h.co.uk says...
<snip>
>
> Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-)
>
I think perhaps if you'd said "How do I view this diagram?" instead of
"snipped a load of garbage" people might have been more likely to be
helpful, rather than dismissing you as a fool.
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:49:22 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
N Cook wrote:
> "Martin Carroll" wrote in message
> news:QzFNzTDvsJJDFAfY@tonal.demon.co.uk...
>> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
>> tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
>>
>> The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
>> _______ _______ _______
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> | x| |y z| |
>>> |______x| |y____z| |_______
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | My | |
>>> | House | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> | | |
>>> _______________|______________|_______________|
>>
>>
>> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>>
>> If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
>> door to repoint wall 'z'.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Martin
>> --
>> Martin Carroll
>
>
> Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional
> font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message
> source to view in a fixed font
thanks for that, now i can see what he 's on about!
I'd just ask for thier permision anyway.
steve
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:49:30 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote:
| I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
| is to repoint at the back of the house.
|
| The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
| _______ _______ _______
| | | x| |y z| |
| | | x| |y z| |
| | | x| |y z| |
| | | x| |y z| |
| | |______x| |y____z| |_______
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | My | |
| | | House | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| |_______________|______________|_______________|
|
|
| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
|
| If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
| door to repoint wall 'z'.
The ASCII art is clear to me.
I once did a little work on a *very* old terrace house owned by a friend.
She had agreement to go onto the neighbours land to clean windows etc.
This is IMO probably enshrined in law somewhere.
People own the walls of your house, so IMO you own x and y but not z
I would ask for permission for x and z.
--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
"Intelligent Design?" my knees say *not*.
"Intelligent Design?" my back says *not*.
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:05:47 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article <be1Ve.106875$G8.48@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
ben wrote:
> > I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the
> > tasks is to repoint at the back of the house.
> >
> [snipped a load of garbage]
> Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one?
Try switching to a fixed - not proportional - font on your newsreader. It
looks fine here.
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:25:37 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>
> If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
> door to repoint wall 'z'.
You own x & y.
You have a legal right to enter the property next door to maintain x,
although you have a duty to do so reasonably. If your neighbours refuse, a
court will grant an injunction allowing you to enter.
Your neighbour owns z.
Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to
have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!!
If you destroy a neighbour's wall using cement based mortar, you will
probably be liable for the damage, which could run in thousands. If you are
doing it yourself, then you can make up the right lime mix. If getting
someone in, make sure they know about lime. You probably want a builder
specialising in older properties.
Christian.
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:26 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
ben wrote:
> Set Square wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Dunno. What do the deeds say?
>>
>> Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next
>> door's garden - for which you will need permission!
>
> Or in this case backyard? :-)
I'm sure that an estate agent would describe it as a garden! <g>
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Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:25:10 +0100
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Re: Who owns what?
Martin Carroll wrote:
> I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
> is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
> The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
> _______ _______ _______
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | | x| |y z| |
> | |______x| |y____z| |_______
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | My | |
> | | House | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> |_______________|______________|_______________|
>
>
> Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
"x" and "y" are probably "yours", "z" probably next
doors. You will have to arrange to do "x" by agreement
with your L.H. neighbour. Your R.H. neighbour would
probably be very pleased if you did a *good* job,
but might turn very nasty if it was a bodge that
damaged brickwork or let water in. What are you
pointing with, BTW? How are you raking out the joints?
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:51:41 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote:
>I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
>is to repoint at the back of the house.
>
>The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :-
> _______ _______ _______
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| | x| |y z| |
>| |______x| |y____z| |_______
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | My | |
>| | House | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>| | | |
>|_______________|______________|_______________|
>
>
>Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
>
>If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next
>door to repoint wall 'z'.
>
>Cheers
>
>Martin
>--
>Martin Carroll
You own X & Y, Your neighbour owns Z. (Unless your deeds state
otherwise..)
sponix
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:55 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:26 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:
>Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to
>have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!!
I'd second that point. Use the correct lime based mortar.
sponix
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:04:52 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article <4324abba$0$3295$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, Grunff
writes
>ROFLMAO. Such wit. You crack me up.
There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to
his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful
here . . .
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fred
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:58:42 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
fred wrote:
> There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to
> his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful
> here . . .
It usually takes a lot more than that for me to killfile someone...
:-)
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Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:16:58 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article <432563b2$0$330$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, Grunff
writes
>fred wrote:
>
>> There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to
>> his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful
>> here . . .
>
>It usually takes a lot more than that for me to killfile someone...
>
>:-)
Good for you, means you'll be able to correct all the enthusiastic
misinformation then :-)
--
fred
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:44:00 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article , s--p--o--n--i--x
writes
>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:26 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
> wrote:
>
>>Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to
>>have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!!
>
>I'd second that point. Use the correct lime based mortar.
>
>sponix
Hmmmm!
I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are
arguments for and against using lime mortar.
In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser.
I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread
8-(
Martin
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Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:59:11 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Martin Carroll wrote:
> I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are
> arguments for and against using lime mortar.
>
> In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser.
> I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread
'kinell!! Have you used much of this stuff? Even after a "good look
around on the 'net"???? Rake it out. What is plasticiser, I ask you?
What is it *for*? What are its effects? Why not compromise and use
the ever-popular 1:1:6, which is about 50 times better. That's just
a word to you, I don't think you'll get a jumbo thread, it's all
been done before. Are you raking out the joints with a nice big
angle grinder, too, to the depth of at least 1 1/4"??
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:54 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
> I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are
> arguments for and against using lime mortar.
No serious person involved in the maintenance of historic buildings will
accept anything other than lime mortar.
Christian.
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:29:48 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article <be1Ve.106875$G8.48@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, ben
writes
>[snipped a load of garbage]
Another day, another tosser plonked.
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:20:10 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> In article <be1Ve.106875$G8.48@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, ben
> writes
>
>> [snipped a load of garbage]
>
> Another day, another tosser plonked.
Lets just see.
Whatever floats your boat Grandad. lol
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:00:25 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased
some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-)
Martin
In article , Chris Bacon
writes
>Martin Carroll wrote:
>> I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are
>> arguments for and against using lime mortar.
>>
>> In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser.
>> I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread
>
>'kinell!! Have you used much of this stuff? Even after a "good look
>around on the 'net"???? Rake it out. What is plasticiser, I ask you?
>What is it *for*? What are its effects? Why not compromise and use
>the ever-popular 1:1:6, which is about 50 times better. That's just
>a word to you, I don't think you'll get a jumbo thread, it's all
>been done before. Are you raking out the joints with a nice big
>angle grinder, too, to the depth of at least 1 1/4"??
--
Martin Carroll
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:57:58 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article ,
Martin Carroll writes:
> OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased
> some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-)
I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale.
Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get
the lime ready for use.
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Andrew Gabriel
Date:13 Sep 2005 21:13:30 GMT
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use.
Martin
In article <432740fa$0$38041$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>, Andrew Gabriel
writes
>In article ,
> Martin Carroll writes:
>> OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased
>> some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-)
>
>I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale.
>Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get
>the lime ready for use.
>
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Martin Carroll
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:45:08 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
Quotes rationalised:
Martin Carroll wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>Martin Carroll wrote:
>>> OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and
>>> have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing
>>> tomorrow 8-)
>>I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale.
>>Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get
>>the lime ready for use.
>>
> Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use.
Wow, how reactionary - I'd probably have gone 1:1:6, but then
I might get it in the ear from A. Kettle. Do you have to mix
the lime putty with sand, and protect it while it cures?
Date:Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:01:48 +0100
Author:
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Re: Who owns what?
In article , Martin Carroll
<URL:mailto:martin@tonal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased
> some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-)
Only once you have read this: http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
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Date:Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:17:02 +0100
Author:
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