1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently all 
is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car splutters 
like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth, the 
once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.

I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may have 
been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder 
whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon stopped 
working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to the 
A/C cut off relay.

-- 
Malc

"Your mother can't climb stairs"
Dalek playground taunt

Sounds more like diesel problem rather than electrics.

JOhn


"Malc"  wrote in message 
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> 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently 
> all is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car 
> splutters like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke 
> issues forth, the once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
>
> I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may 
> have been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I 
> wonder whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon 
> stopped working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also 
> goes to the A/C cut off relay.
>
> -- 
> Malc
>
> "Your mother can't climb stairs"
> Dalek playground taunt
>
> 

"John"  wrote in message 
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> Sounds more like diesel problem rather than electrics.
>
>

True, the HBOL says injector problems. But it came on very suddenly, i.e. 
yesterday it was fine and this morning it wasn't so I was wondering if the 
ECU had a master reset type thingy.


-- 
Malc

"Your mother can't climb stairs"
Dalek playground taunt

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:34:24 +0100, Malc  
 wrote:


> 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently  
> all
> is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car  
> splutters
> like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth,  
> the
> once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
>
> I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may  
> have
> been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder
> whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon stopped
> working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to  
> the
> A/C cut off relay.
>


Sticky injectors, you can get them checked at a diesel specialists.

"Malc"  wrote in message
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> 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently
all
> is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car splutters
> like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth,
the
> once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
>
> I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may
have
> been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder
> whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon stopped
> working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to
the
> A/C cut off relay.
>
>


The ECU only controls pump timing and EGR.

For some reason it sounds like it is massivly overfuelling at low revs, but
without looking at the actual vehicle its virtually impossible to say for
definate.

However a *very* good starting point (sarcasm) would be to re-instate the
fuse and see if it is then back to normal!

Tim..

Tim.. wrote:

> "Malc"  wrote in message
> news:AUZUe.106709$G8.38710@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently
> all
> > is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car splutters
> > like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth,
> the
> > once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
> >
> > I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may
> have
> > been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder
> > whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon stopped
> > working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to
> the
> > A/C cut off relay.
> >
> >
>
> The ECU only controls pump timing and EGR.
>
> For some reason it sounds like it is massivly overfuelling at low revs, but
> without looking at the actual vehicle its virtually impossible to say for
> definate.
>
> However a *very* good starting point (sarcasm) would be to re-instate the
> fuse and see if it is then back to normal!
>
>

I might be daft but I'm not that stupid. The fuse was pulled, examined
and replaced.

-- 
Malc

>> However a *very* good starting point (sarcasm) would be to re-instate the
>> fuse and see if it is then back to normal!
>>
> I might be daft but I'm not that stupid. The fuse was pulled, examined
> and replaced.


When you say replaced, do you mean replaced with a new one (i.e. it was 
previously blown), or just the old one (with nothing wrong with it) put back 
in?  If replaced with a new one due to the original being blown, it's 
entirely feasible that the same fault that caused the old fuse to blow could 
have blown the new one.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

AstraVanMan wrote:

> >> However a *very* good starting point (sarcasm) would be to re-instate the
> >> fuse and see if it is then back to normal!
> >>
> > I might be daft but I'm not that stupid. The fuse was pulled, examined
> > and replaced.
>
> When you say replaced, do you mean replaced with a new one (i.e. it was
> previously blown), or just the old one (with nothing wrong with it) put back
> in?  If replaced with a new one due to the original being blown, it's
> entirely feasible that the same fault that caused the old fuse to blow could
> have blown the new one.
>
>

It wasn't blown nor did I expect it to be. It was just one other thing
to check when the air con didn't work. Lets not go down this route, I
pulled the fuse because it powered the aircon cutout relay as well as
the ECU. All I wanted to know was whether this could cause the ECU to
reset to a "get you home" setting.

-- 
Malc

Malc (malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


> All I wanted to know was whether this could cause the ECU to
> reset to a "get you home" setting.


Does it even have an ECU? Earlier Xant Ds didn't, and I think that was 
around the change-over era.

Does it have the keypad immobiliser?

Adrian wrote:

> Malc (malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
> > All I wanted to know was whether this could cause the ECU to
> > reset to a "get you home" setting.
>
> Does it even have an ECU? Earlier Xant Ds didn't, and I think that was
> around the change-over era.
>

There's a circuit board in a plastic box just behind the driver's side
headlight.



> Does it have the keypad immobiliser?


Yes

-- 
Malc

Malc (malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


>> > All I wanted to know was whether this could cause the ECU to
>> > reset to a "get you home" setting.

>> Does it even have an ECU? Earlier Xant Ds didn't, and I think that was
>> around the change-over era.

> There's a circuit board in a plastic box just behind the driver's side
> headlight.

>> Does it have the keypad immobiliser?

> Yes


Furry muff. Definitely after the point where the lump gained an ECU, then.

But, no, I can't see that the default settings (I don't think it's a 
"learning" ECU, anyway) would cause the problems you're having. I think 
it's more fundamental.

Adrian wrote:


>
> Furry muff. Definitely after the point where the lump gained an ECU, then.
>
> But, no, I can't see that the default settings (I don't think it's a
> "learning" ECU, anyway) would cause the problems you're having. I think
> it's more fundamental.


Ok thanks. It's booked in to the garage on Thursday unless I can crack
the problem before then.

-- 
Malc

"Malc"  wrote in message
news:AUZUe.106709$G8.38710@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently
all
> is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car splutters
> like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth,
the
> once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
>
> I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may
have
> been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder
> whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon stopped
> working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to
the
> A/C cut off relay.
>


ECU on an XUD9 engine - you've got to be joking.
It's an old tech indirect injection engine using either a Bosch or Girling
mechanical diesel pump.

If you are talking about a 2.0 HDi then that's a different matter.

/John

"John Kenyon"  wrote in message
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>
> "Malc"  wrote in message
> news:AUZUe.106709$G8.38710@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > 1.9 TD Xantia 1996 ish. What's happening is that if I accelerate gently
> all
> > is OK, if I put my foot down (not necessarily very hard) the car
splutters
> > like it's flooding until the revs reach 3k and black smoke issues forth,
> the
> > once 3k revs are reached it takes of like a scalded cat.
> >
> > I did have a similar problem 3 years ago when I bought it and this may
> have
> > been due to a wastegate or something similar. The only reason I wonder
> > whether it is that, is because in my quest to find why the aircon
stopped
> > working yesterday, I pulled the fuse to the ECU because it also goes to
> the
> > A/C cut off relay.
> >
>
> ECU on an XUD9 engine - you've got to be joking.
> It's an old tech indirect injection engine using either a Bosch or Girling
> mechanical diesel pump.
>
> If you are talking about a 2.0 HDi then that's a different matter.



Tis true, well sorta, the later immobilzier equiped XUDT's had a unit on the
pump and another which controls the immobilizer and also the pump timing and
EGR.

Its solid state, and more a logic controller rather than a computer that
responds to sensors and calculates something.

Tim..

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:50:54 +0100, Malc   
wrote:


>
> Adrian wrote:
>
>>
>> Furry muff. Definitely after the point where the lump gained an ECU,  
>> then.
>>
>> But, no, I can't see that the default settings (I don't think it's a
>> "learning" ECU, anyway) would cause the problems you're having. I think
>> it's more fundamental.
>
> Ok thanks. It's booked in to the garage on Thursday unless I can crack
> the problem before then.
>


Tell us what cured when you fix it.

John Kenyon (etljwk@gmx.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


> ECU on an XUD9 engine - you've got to be joking.
> It's an old tech indirect injection engine using either a Bosch or
> Girling mechanical diesel pump.


Wrong... It's certainly an old tech indirect injection lump, but later ones 
did indeed use an electronic pump with ECU.

Adrian wrote:

> John Kenyon (etljwk@gmx.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> > ECU on an XUD9 engine - you've got to be joking.
> > It's an old tech indirect injection engine using either a Bosch or
> > Girling mechanical diesel pump.
>
> Wrong... It's certainly an old tech indirect injection lump, but later ones
> did indeed use an electronic pump with ECU.


The owners manual shows a fuse marked ECU and there is a PCB behind the
headlight which sort of looks big enough to be that kind of thing. But
the owners manual does cover a few varieties of the car.

At least the fuse descriptins in the owner's manual seem to agree with
reality, the HBoL fuse descriptions don't tally at all. No how, no way.

-- 
MAlc

"Adrian"  wrote in message
news:Xns96D0A18BA4C5Dadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> John Kenyon (etljwk@gmx.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> > ECU on an XUD9 engine - you've got to be joking.
> > It's an old tech indirect injection engine using either a Bosch or
> > Girling mechanical diesel pump.
>
> Wrong... It's certainly an old tech indirect injection lump, but later
ones
> did indeed use an electronic pump with ECU.


The 2.0l HDi engine had common rail. The 1.9l XUD9 had/has a mechanical
pump.

/John