My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
to change at Luton.

This he did, and despite a ticket check on the Midland Mainline train
he only realised when he got off the train at 'Loughborough' that he
had in fact been sold a ticket to 'Loughborough Junction'!  He
immediately went to the station ticket office and explained the
situation, who told him not to worry.

It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!

"Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message 
news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


> It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
> Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!


This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine question, 
albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above sentence actually 
mean?  I've read it and reread it against the remainder of the original post 
and I just can't make any sense out of it.

Thanks

Kevin the Lurker

Kevin Harper wrote:

> "Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message
> news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
>> Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
>
> This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine
> question, albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above
> sentence actually mean?  I've read it and reread it against the
> remainder of the original post and I just can't make any sense out
> of it.


It makes sense if you remove "so".  Also applies to Southern ticket
issuers too!
-- 
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Kevin Harper wrote:

> "Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message
> news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
> > Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
>
> This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine question,
> albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above sentence actually
> mean?  I've read it and reread it against the remainder of the original post
> and I just can't make any sense out of it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kevin the Lurker



It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need soME re-briefing on
Loughborough and Loughborough Junction - maybe this makes more sense,
too?!

Will Schwaeble wrote:

> My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
> regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
> to change at Luton.


At least he didn't intend to travel Loughborough Junction and end up in
Loughborough!

"naked_draughtsman"  wrote in message
news:1126454992.632211.40210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> Will Schwaeble wrote:
> > My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
> > regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
> > to change at Luton.
>
> At least he didn't intend to travel Loughborough Junction and end up in
> Loughborough!
>

He might have intended to travel to Clapham Junction, and ended up at
Clapham (N Yorks).

Peter

Will Schwaeble wrote:


> My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
> regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
> to change at Luton.
> 
> This he did, and despite a ticket check on the Midland Mainline train
> he only realised when he got off the train at 'Loughborough' that he
> had in fact been sold a ticket to 'Loughborough Junction'!  He
> immediately went to the station ticket office and explained the
> situation, who told him not to worry.


Surely he should have been asked to pay the additional fare?

Obviously if he does the trip again he should make
a point of asking for Loughborough Junction!

Charlie

Peter Masson wrote:


>>At least he didn't intend to travel Loughborough Junction and end up in
>>Loughborough!
>>
> 
> He might have intended to travel to Clapham Junction, and ended up at
> Clapham (N Yorks).
>


I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.

Should the ticket clerk have realised? Do the ticket machines
have cross-references for 'and' stations built in to them?

Charlie

"Charlie Hulme"  wrote in message
news:WTYUe.10436$Aa1.9059@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

> Peter Masson wrote:
>
> >>At least he didn't intend to travel Loughborough Junction and end up in
> >>Loughborough!
> >>
> >
> > He might have intended to travel to Clapham Junction, and ended up at
> > Clapham (N Yorks).
> >
>
> I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
> not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
> sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
>

Perhaps they did know that the station is Abergele & Pensarn, but only asked
for Pensarn because they didn't know how to pronounce Abergele. Until I
heard the Euston station announcer's pronunciation I had thought it was
Aberjeel. ;-)

Peter

In message <UVXUe.106641$G8.69611@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, at 
15:19:16 on Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Richard J.  
remarked:

>>> It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
>>> Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
>>
>> This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine
>> question, albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above
>> sentence actually mean?  I've read it and reread it against the
>> remainder of the original post and I just can't make any sense out
>> of it.
>
>It makes sense if you remove "so".  Also applies to Southern ticket
>issuers too!


And makes sense once you realise that the "so" means "so very much".

-- 
Roland Perry

Richard J. wrote:

> Kevin Harper wrote:
> 
>>"Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message
>>news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>>It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
>>>Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
>>
>>This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine
>>question, albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above
>>sentence actually mean?  I've read it and reread it against the
>>remainder of the original post and I just can't make any sense out
>>of it.
>
> It makes sense if you remove "so".  Also applies to Southern ticket
> issuers too!


In this case it is probably a typo, but I have noticed among my 
generation it has become a bit of an "in" expression to use the 
word "so" for emphasis - for example, "I *so* need to get to the 
post office" would have similar meaning to "I need to get to the 
post office urgently".

Charlie Hulme wrote:


> > to change at Luton.


What MML and TL booking offices, and MML on train staff, away from the
settlement of Luton do need to told is the correct name of the
stations.

One is Luton Airport Parkway.

The other is Luton, just Luton, not Luton Town, not Luton Midland, not
Luton Midland Road, all of which I hear in regular use on MML train PA.
I can see they are trying to discriminate between the two stations, but
they could still do that if they used the proper names, or said
something like ''Luton for Luton town centre''.

But worse are TL booking offices who if you ask for a (any) ticket to
Luton and look anything like you might be a tourist they automatically
assume you wish to go to the airport.

I have arguments twice on this at KX TL, where I correctly asked for a
ticket to Luton and was twice incorrectly issued with a ticket to LAP
and when I refused *they* told *me* I had confused them by asking
saying only Luton.

--
Nick

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Kevin Harper wrote:


> "Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message 
> news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> 
> > It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
> > Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
> 
> This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine 
> question, albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above 
> sentence actually mean?


You need to interpret "so" in the sense of "in this respect", I'd
say.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:25:26 GMT, Charlie Hulme
 wrote:


>I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
>not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
>sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
>
>Should the ticket clerk have realised? Do the ticket machines
>have cross-references for 'and' stations built in to them?


Not that I know of - and it'd throw up the old example of Cark and
Cartmel; if you're travelling to Cartmel, Grange is a better
destination anyhow!

Wouldn't it make sense to rename Pensarn to "Pensarn (Camb.Cst)" or
something, to avoid confusion?

Neil

-- 
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On 11 Sep 2005 10:12:00 -0700, "D7666"  wrote:


>One is Luton Airport Parkway.
>
>The other is Luton, just Luton, not Luton Town, not Luton Midland, not
>Luton Midland Road, all of which I hear in regular use on MML train PA.
>I can see they are trying to discriminate between the two stations, but
>they could still do that if they used the proper names, or said
>something like ''Luton for Luton town centre''.


Why don't they just rename it to "Luton Central" or "Luton Town"?
It's not common for there to be a station named X and another named X
Y.  Normally, there is a discriminator of some sort.

No doubt someone will point at another example[1] - but if it's
causing confusion change it!

[1] OK, I've just found one just up the line - Bedford and Bedford St
Johns - but you're unlikely to confuse those as the latter is a minor
destination, and only likely to be requested by someone travelling on
the Marston Vale line.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:


> It's not common for there to be a station named X and another named X
> Y.

> No doubt someone will point at another example[1] - but if it's
> causing confusion change it!

>
> [1] OK, I've just found one just up the line - Bedford and Bedford St
> Johns



Reading / Reading West
Lympstone / Lympstone Commando
Streatham / Streatham Common / Streatham Hill
Catford / Catford Bridge
Harringay / Harringay Stadium
Pembroke / Pembroke Dock
Colchester / Colchester Town


Degrees of possible confusion may vary wildly but I bet you don't hear
ad hoc suffixes appended to any of them - I've not heard 'General'
appended to Reading for many years.


--
Nick

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:25:26 UTC, Charlie Hulme 
 wrote:

: I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
: not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
: sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.

One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.

Ian


--

On 11 Sep 2005 18:31:32 GMT, "Ian Johnston"
 wrote:


>One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.


Or Hope to Hope.

Previously, it was possible to buy one (or several) from Hope to Hope
via Hope, but DB closed one of them and bustituted it when the
S-Bahn-Hannover was extended, due to the fairly legitimate reason that
it was more or less in the middle of nowhere and more or less nobody
used it.

gbp15.60 SVS, or gbp16.80 SOS, if anyone can be bothered :)  I suspect
Adlington (Ches) to Adlington (Lancs) would be cheaper.

Neil

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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:57:07 UTC, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

: Previously, it was possible to buy one (or several) from Hope to Hope
: via Hope, but DB closed one of them

At least they haven't taken away your final Hope.

Ian

--

On 11 Sep 2005 18:31:32 GMT, "Ian Johnston"
 wrote:


>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:25:26 UTC, Charlie Hulme 
> wrote:
>
>: I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
>: not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
>: sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
>
>One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.



Hayes to Hayes is (or at least was) not an uncommon issue
I've also seen Ashford to Ashford.

And Charing Cross to Charing is very common!
-- 
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com
md@rossrail.com

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:03:25 UTC, Bill Hayles  
wrote:

: And Charing Cross to Charing is very common!

How about Charing Cross to Charing Cross via Charing?

Ian

Ian Johnston wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:25:26 UTC, Charlie Hulme 
>  wrote:
> 
> : I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
> : not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
> : sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
> 
> One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.


St Margaret's to St Margaret's?  To avoid confusion, you could always go 
to Ware instead.  I was once nearly sold a ticket to Hartford rather 
than Hertford, but it was about twice the price to Hartford than 
Hertford, so I queried it and got the right one.  I've often wanted to 
get a ticket to Ryde (as per the Beatles Song).

Robin

D7666 wrote:

> Neil Williams wrote:
> 
> 
>>It's not common for there to be a station named X and another named X
>>Y.
> 
> 
>>No doubt someone will point at another example[1] - but if it's
>>causing confusion change it!
> 
> 
>>[1] OK, I've just found one just up the line - Bedford and Bedford St
>>Johns
> 
> 
> 
> Reading / Reading West
> Lympstone / Lympstone Commando
> Streatham / Streatham Common / Streatham Hill
> Catford / Catford Bridge
> Harringay / Harringay Stadium
> Pembroke / Pembroke Dock
> Colchester / Colchester Town
> 
> 
> Degrees of possible confusion may vary wildly but I bet you don't hear
> ad hoc suffixes appended to any of them - I've not heard 'General'
> appended to Reading for many years.


How many of these have separate tickets, rather than being of the form 
"X Stns"?

Robin

>How many of these have separate tickets, rather than being of the form
>"X Stns"?



Certainly the Colchesters and the Catfords are "X Stns".  Also applies
to Southend Central/Southend East/Southend Victoria.  I think it
applies to Bromley North/Bromley South, but can't remember.

But there must presumably be tickets between them, rather than free
travel one stop.

I think it's more common where the lines aren't connected (eg Catford,
Bromley, Southend) but Southend Central to Southend East is a one-stop
journey, for example, as is Colchester (North) to Colchester Town.

Will Schwaeble  wrote:

> My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
> regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
> to change at Luton.
> 
> This he did, and despite a ticket check on the Midland Mainline train
> he only realised when he got off the train at 'Loughborough' that he
> had in fact been sold a ticket to 'Loughborough Junction'!  He
> immediately went to the station ticket office and explained the
> situation, who told him not to worry.
> 
> It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
> Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!


Similar happened to one of my engineers here earlier this year, he
tried to book a ticket from York to Loughborough and the terribly nice
callcentre android tried to charge him 70-odd quid for a return (sounded
like a "London Zone 1" fare to me) - which is correct for Loughborough
Junction but dead wrong for Loughborough. (An SOR is 59 quid and a SVR
33) ;)

pete
-- 
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"Tom Cumming"  wrote in message 
news:dg1ni7$49i$1@inews.gazeta.pl...

> Richard J. wrote:
>> Kevin Harper wrote:
>>
>>>"Will Schwaeble"  wrote in message
>>>news:1126449509.278622.299190@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need so re-briefing on
>>>>Loughborough and Loughborough Junction!
>>>
>>>This isn't meant as a wind up or a troll and it is a genuine
>>>question, albeit possibly a stupid one...but what does the above
>>>sentence actually mean?  I've read it and reread it against the
>>>remainder of the original post and I just can't make any sense out
>>>of it.
>>
>> It makes sense if you remove "so".  Also applies to Southern ticket
>> issuers too!
>
> In this case it is probably a typo, but I have noticed among my generation 
> it has become a bit of an "in" expression to use the word "so" for 
> emphasis - for example, "I *so* need to get to the post office" would have 
> similar meaning to "I need to get to the post office urgently".


Thanks everyone for the clarification.  Converting the sentence into old 
money, we arrive at "It seems that Midland Mainline ticket guards need some 
re-briefing on the differing locations of Loughborough and Loughborough 
Junction!".  It doesn't help that before the OP I didn't even know of the 
existence of a Loughborough Junction station or its' location in relation to 
Loughborough.

Thanks again

Kevin the Lurker

Charlie Hulme wrote:


>
> I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for Pensarn
> not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
> sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
>


So to avoid confusion perhaps they should rename Pensarn as "Llanbedr &
Pensarn", and then rename Llanbedr as (if I remember correctly)
"Talwryn Bach"  :-)

Andy Kirkham

"Ian Johnston"  wrote

>
> How about Charing Cross to Charing Cross via Charing?
>

I'm not sure that's a permitted route. OTOH, Charing Cross to Charing via
London Charing Cross...

When I try to buy a ticket to Leamington Spa the booking clerk tends to ask
whether I want Town or Pier - I have to explain how to spell Leamington, not
Lymington.

Peter

"Peter Masson"  wrote in message
news:dg3suc$6ap$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

>
> "Ian Johnston"  wrote
> >
> > How about Charing Cross to Charing Cross via Charing?
> >
> I'm not sure that's a permitted route. OTOH, Charing Cross to Charing via
> London Charing Cross...
>
> When I try to buy a ticket to Leamington Spa the booking clerk tends to
ask
> whether I want Town or Pier - I have to explain how to spell Leamington,
not
> Lymington.


New one today - I asked for a Saver to University, and told the clerk, in
response to her blank look that it was in Birmingham.  She sold me a ticket
to B'ham Intl, and said "that's where the university is".  After I
explained, more clearly, that I wanted a ticket to the station called
University, for which I would need to into New Street and out again on a
local train, she searched through her machine, and said it didn't exist.
Then it dawned on me, and I suggested that she should look under 'U' not
'B'.

Michael

"MIG"  wrote in message 
news:1126525204.747426.126070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> >How many of these have separate tickets, rather than being of the form
>>"X Stns"?
>
>
> Certainly the Colchesters and the Catfords are "X Stns".  Also applies
> to Southend Central/Southend East/Southend Victoria.  I think it
> applies to Bromley North/Bromley South, but can't remember.
>
> But there must presumably be tickets between them, rather than free
> travel one stop.
>
> I think it's more common where the lines aren't connected (eg Catford,
> Bromley, Southend) but Southend Central to Southend East is a one-stop
> journey, for example, as is Colchester (North) to Colchester Town.
>


I've just tried Nat Rail Enq for a journey Blackpool South to Blackpool 
North.......

It wont have any of it!   Not even "via Preston"

KW

"Ken Ward"  wrote>

> I've just tried Nat Rail Enq for a journey Blackpool South to Blackpool
> North.......
>
> It wont have any of it!   Not even "via Preston"
>

That wouldn't be a permitted route. Can it cope with 'via Kirkham & Wesham'?

Peter

"Peter Masson"  wrote in message 
news:dg47sh$h60$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

>
> "Ken Ward"  wrote>
>> I've just tried Nat Rail Enq for a journey Blackpool South to Blackpool
>> North.......
>>
>> It wont have any of it!   Not even "via Preston"
>>
> That wouldn't be a permitted route. Can it cope with 'via Kirkham & 
> Wesham'?


Tried Kirkham first.

KW

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:22:12 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>I've just tried Nat Rail Enq for a journey Blackpool South to Blackpool 
>North.......
>
>It wont have any of it!   Not even "via Preston"


No-one within their right mind *would* do that, though.  It'd be
quicker to walk.

That said, there are intra-Liverpool Stns tickets, which are *very*
cheap, unusual for a city metro type setup.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:22:12 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
> wrote:
>
> >I've just tried Nat Rail Enq for a journey Blackpool South to Blackpool
> >North.......
> >
> >It wont have any of it!   Not even "via Preston"
>
> No-one within their right mind *would* do that, though.  It'd be
> quicker to walk.
>
> That said, there are intra-Liverpool Stns tickets, which are *very*
> cheap, unusual for a city metro type setup.
>




Out of curiosity, I tried Southend Central to Southend Victoria, and it
doesn't give a route.

The funny thing is that the explanations for why there may not be a
route don't include "quicker to walk", while the other explanations (eg
no trains at that time, no trains via a specified via place) definitely
don't apply.

If you did a Southend Stations to London Terminals return journey, you
might actually travel from Southend Central to Southend Victoria via
your day out in London.

R.C. Payne wrote:

> I've often wanted to
> get a ticket to Ryde (as per the Beatles Song).


I once asked for a ticket to Rye at Chichester and was sold a ticket to
Ryde instead (giggle). And the NR journey planner is convinced that
"Rye" means "Peckham Rye" rather than "Rye Sussex"...

Ian Johnston wrote:


> One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.


Had to be very careful when buying a ticket to Gillingham (Dorset) from 
Canterbury - they probably sell quite a few tickets to Gillingham (Kent) 
and I did go through Gilligham to get to Gillingham :)

-- 
Jonathan Stott
Canterbury Weather: http://www.canterburyweather.co.uk/
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Peter Masson wrote:


> I'm not sure that's a permitted route. OTOH, Charing Cross to Charing via
> London Charing Cross...


If you were going the other way from Charing to Charing Cross, you'd 
almost certainly end up going through Charing Cross as most of the 
trains from Charing go to Charing Cross.

-- 
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"Jonathan Stott"  wrote

>
> If you were going the other way from Charing to Charing Cross, you'd
> almost certainly end up going through Charing Cross as most of the
> trains from Charing go to Charing Cross.
>

The London terminus for almost all trains from Charing is Victoria. One each
way a day uses Blackfriars. None use London Charing Cross.

Peter

Neil Williams wrote:


I suspect

> Adlington (Ches) to Adlington (Lancs) would be cheaper.


Didn't there used to be a through train between the two Adlingtons?
This brings up the Question, are there any stations with the same name.
served by a through train. ( I mean same name but different places )

"I think not"  wrote in message 
news:1126624176.786008.240880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> Neil Williams wrote:
>
>
> I suspect
>> Adlington (Ches) to Adlington (Lancs) would be cheaper.
>
> Didn't there used to be a through train between the two Adlingtons?
> This brings up the Question, are there any stations with the same name.
> served by a through train. ( I mean same name but different places )
>


There is the 1M96 VT service from Edinburgh (17:52) to Stafford which Passes 
through both but unfortunaely does not stop.

KW

"Ken Ward"  wrote in message
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>
> "I think not"  wrote in message
> news:1126624176.786008.240880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Didn't there used to be a through train between the two Adlingtons?
> > This brings up the Question, are there any stations with the same name.
> > served by a through train. ( I mean same name but different places )
> >
>
> There is the 1M96 VT service from Edinburgh (17:52) to Stafford which
Passes
> through both but unfortunaely does not stop.


For a year or two in (probably) the early 1990s there was one Sprinter a day
in each direction from Macclesfield to Blackpool. That certainly stopped at
Adlington (Cheshire), but I don't know its stopping pattern north of
Manchester.

Roger

Jonathan Stott wrote:

> Ian Johnston wrote:
>
> > One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.
>
> Had to be very careful when buying a ticket to Gillingham (Dorset) from
> Canterbury - they probably sell quite a few tickets to Gillingham (Kent)
> and I did go through Gilligham to get to Gillingham :)


They're pronounced differently I think. Gill-ingham (Dorset) vs
Jill-ingham (Kent) IIRC.

-- 
Paul

Paul wrote:

> Jonathan Stott wrote:
> 
>>Ian Johnston wrote:
>>
>>>One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.
>>
>>Had to be very careful when buying a ticket to Gillingham (Dorset) from
>>Canterbury - they probably sell quite a few tickets to Gillingham (Kent)
>>and I did go through Gilligham to get to Gillingham :)
> 
> They're pronounced differently I think. Gill-ingham (Dorset) vs
> Jill-ingham (Kent) IIRC.


Near to the Kent one is Rainham, which isn't that far away, as the crow 
flies, from the Rainham in Essex.

Peter Masson wrote:

> "Jonathan Stott"  wrote
> >
> > If you were going the other way from Charing to Charing Cross, you'd
> > almost certainly end up going through Charing Cross as most of the
> > trains from Charing go to Charing Cross.
> >
> The London terminus for almost all trains from Charing is Victoria. One each
> way a day uses Blackfriars. None use London Charing Cross.
>
> Peter




This is true, although you could change at Maidstone on weekday
afternoons, or the early morning, when for some reason the fast trains
(not stopping at Charing) go to Charing Cross instead of Cannon Street.
 Not the other way.

Peter Masson wrote:


> The London terminus for almost all trains from Charing is Victoria. One each
> way a day uses Blackfriars. None use London Charing Cross.


Oops, you're right! I was getting mixed up with Chilham and Chartham!

-- 
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"MIG"  wrote

>
> This is true, although you could change at Maidstone on weekday
> afternoons, or the early morning, when for some reason the fast trains
> (not stopping at Charing) go to Charing Cross instead of Cannon Street.
>  Not the other way.
>

The other way you could get the 0857 from Charing Cross, which is the parly
for the spur from New Beckenham to Beckenham Junction, then change at
Beckenham Junction on to the 0932 (0918 from Victoria) through to Charing.

Peter

Ian Johnston wrote:

> One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.


London Road to London Road. Route: London?

Waterloo to Waterloo via Waterloo?

Three Oaks to Four Oaks via Sevenoaks?

-- 
John.

>The other way you could get the 0857 from Charing Cross, which is the parly
>for the spur from New Beckenham to Beckenham Junction, then change at
>Beckenham Junction on to the 0932 (0918 from Victoria) through to Charing.



You're right.  Seems they've thought of everything ...

D7666 wrote:

> Neil Williams wrote:
> > [1] OK, I've just found one just up the line - Bedford and Bedford St
> > Johns
> Reading / Reading West
> Lympstone / Lympstone Commando
> Streatham / Streatham Common / Streatham Hill
> Catford / Catford Bridge
> Harringay / Harringay Stadium
> Pembroke / Pembroke Dock
> Colchester / Colchester Town


(From glancing around a Network Southeast/London Connections map, and
excluding prefixes:)

London Waterloo / Waterloo East.
Barnes / Barnes Bridge.
Wimbledon / Wimbledon Park
Winersh / Winersh Triangle
Cambridge / Cambridge Heath (cheating, possibly)
Carshalton / Carshalton Beeches
Epsom / Epsom Downs
Dorking / Dorking Deepdene / Dorking West
Farnborough / Farnborough North
Purley / Purley Oaks
New Cross / New Cross Gate
Kentish Town / Kentish Town West
Brondesbury / Brondesbury Park
Denham / Denham Golf Club
Edenbridge / Edenbridge Town


> Degrees of possible confusion may vary wildly but I bet you don't hear
> ad hoc suffixes appended to any of them - I've not heard 'General'
> appended to Reading for many years.


Waterloo Main is still used.

Farnborough appears to have a bracketted (Main) on the map I have.

Colchester is in the possibly unusual situation that it's known
universally by the locals as Colchester North despite it being called
nothing of the sort, so railway staff probably have to know about that
one.

-- 
John.

"Charlie Hulme"  wrote in message
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> Will Schwaeble wrote:
>
> > My friend travelled from Brighton to Loughborough on Friday.  Not a
> > regular rail user, he asked for a single to Loughborough and was told
> > to change at Luton.
> >
> > This he did, and despite a ticket check on the Midland Mainline train
> > he only realised when he got off the train at 'Loughborough' that he
> > had in fact been sold a ticket to 'Loughborough Junction'!  He
> > immediately went to the station ticket office and explained the
> > situation, who told him not to worry.
>
> Surely he should have been asked to pay the additional fare?


Not necessarily. We shall probably never know. If he asked for Loughborough
and the ticket clerk (a) *understood* that he meant Loughborough in
Leicestershire (so that there was an agreement about the destination) *but*
(b) accidentally looked up the wrong fare (Loughborough Junction) *and* (c)
the passenger didn't know about the mistake, then that's hard luck on the
railway, because its agent entered into a contract on terms which favoured
the passenger.

Conversely if the ticket clerk thought that the passenger wanted to travel
to Loughborough Junction when in fact he wanted to go to Loughborough, then
there was no meeting of minds. This is classic 19th century contract stuff -
and not to be taken too seriously. But on the whole you'd expect the court's
sympathies to be with the passenger.


> Obviously if he does the trip again he should make
> a point of asking for Loughborough Junction!


Maybe. But that won't work again, because the whole legal and moral basis of
the first trip depends on the passenger genuinely not knowing of the
mistake. Discuss :-)

Regards

Jonathan

"Johnny"  wrote in message
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> Wimbledon / Wimbledon Park


Not to mention Wimbledon Chase.

Incidentally, on that line who decided on "South Merton" but "Morden South"?


> > Degrees of possible confusion may vary wildly but I bet you don't hear
> > ad hoc suffixes appended to any of them - I've not heard 'General'
> > appended to Reading for many years.


Still less Cardiff


> Waterloo Main is still used.


Is it? Where and when?

Regards

Jonathan

Johnny wrote:


> Colchester is in the possibly unusual situation that it's known
> universally by the locals as Colchester North despite it being called
> nothing of the sort


Although it does stand on North Station Road, doesn't it? At least it
did when I was working there. But back then Colchester Town was called
St. Botolph's, wasn't it?


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"R.C. Payne"  wrote in message
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> Ian Johnston wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:25:26 UTC, Charlie Hulme
> >  wrote:
> >
> > : I've met people on the North Wales Coast line who have asked for
Pensarn
> > : not realising it was served by 'Abergele & Pensarn' station and been
> > : sold tickets to Pensarn on the Cambrian coast.
> >
> > One day I'm going to buy a ticket from Johnston to Johnstone.
>
> St Margaret's to St Margaret's?  To avoid confusion, you could always go
> to Ware instead.
Where?

> I was once nearly sold a ticket to Hartford rather
> than Hertford, but it was about twice the price to Hartford than
> Hertford, so I queried it and got the right one.  I've often wanted to
> get a ticket to Ryde (as per the Beatles Song).


I got a ticket to Ryde about 6 years ago. Admittedly it was for the
hovercraft from Portsmouth but still...!

Nick

Chris Tolley wrote:

> Johnny wrote:
>
> > Colchester is in the possibly unusual situation that it's known
> > universally by the locals as Colchester North despite it being called
> > nothing of the sort
>
> Although it does stand on North Station Road, doesn't it? At least it
> did when I was working there. But back then Colchester Town was called
> St. Botolph's, wasn't it?




North Station Road leads you from North Hill towards the station, but
I'm not sure if it's the address of the station though.  Ah, you're
right, it is.

St Botolphs was indeed the name for Colchester Town, but "Colchester"
was always known as "North Station".  The other station is Colchester
is "Hythe".  Have we done that one?

>The other station is Colchester is "Hythe".  Have we done that one?



I meant "in".

No, not "is Colchester in Hythe" but ... oh well.

Jonathan Morton wrote:


> Incidentally, on that line who decided on "South Merton" but "Morden South"?


Acton, how come we haven't had Acton yet? 
North, South, East, West, Central, Main Line 
.... 
and Bridge.

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(31 403 at Oxford, 2 Jun 1985)

Chris Tolley wrote:

> Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
> > Incidentally, on that line who decided on "South Merton" but "Morden South"?
>
> Acton, how come we haven't had Acton yet?
> North, South, East, West, Central, Main Line
> ...
> and Bridge.




Hey, how about "Cross"?  Kings, Charing, Gerrards ...  No, it must be
past my bedtime.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:06:43 GMT, Chris Tolley 
wrote:


>Acton, how come we haven't had Acton yet? 
>North, South, East, West, Central, Main Line 


Don't forget Town :)

asdf wrote:


> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:06:43 GMT, Chris Tolley 
> wrote:
> 
>>Acton, how come we haven't had Acton yet? 
>>North, South, East, West, Central, Main Line 
> 
> Don't forget Town :)


Drat. I knew I should've consulted a map.

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(43 126 at Reading, 1985)

Nick Pedley wrote:


>>St Margaret's to St Margaret's?  To avoid confusion, you could always go
>>to Ware instead.
> 
> Where?


Wye?

-- 
Jonathan Stott
Canterbury Weather: http://www.canterburyweather.co.uk/
Reverse my e-mail address to reply by e-mail

> (From glancing around a Network Southeast/London Connections map, and
> excluding prefixes:)
>
> London Waterloo / Waterloo East.
> Barnes / Barnes Bridge.
> Wimbledon / Wimbledon Park
> Winersh / Winersh Triangle
> Cambridge / Cambridge Heath (cheating, possibly)
> Carshalton / Carshalton Beeches
> Epsom / Epsom Downs
> Dorking / Dorking Deepdene / Dorking West
> Farnborough / Farnborough North
> Purley / Purley Oaks
> New Cross / New Cross Gate
> Kentish Town / Kentish Town West
> Brondesbury / Brondesbury Park
> Denham / Denham Golf Club
> Edenbridge / Edenbridge Town
>
>> Degrees of possible confusion may vary wildly but I bet you don't hear
>> ad hoc suffixes appended to any of them - I've not heard 'General'
>> appended to Reading for many years.


Mansfield Woodhouse / Woodhouse.  I think the name "Mansfield" is often 
dropped as the conductor referred to the station as just "Woodhouse", when I 
made a journey from the former. Also I think I saw a bus with the 
destination "Woodhouse". Somehow I don't think it was going anywhere near 
the Woodhouse in Sheffield.

"Roger H. Bennett"  wrote in message 
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> "Ken Ward"  wrote in message
> news:xwCVe.14309$Aa1.11783@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "I think not"  wrote in message
>> news:1126624176.786008.240880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Didn't there used to be a through train between the two Adlingtons?
>> > This brings up the Question, are there any stations with the same name.
>> > served by a through train. ( I mean same name but different places )
>> >
>>
>> There is the 1M96 VT service from Edinburgh (17:52) to Stafford which
> Passes
>> through both but unfortunaely does not stop.
>
> For a year or two in (probably) the early 1990s there was one Sprinter a 
> day
> in each direction from Macclesfield to Blackpool. That certainly stopped 
> at
> Adlington (Cheshire), but I don't know its stopping pattern north of
> Manchester.


I do remember it but, I have no details unfortunately.

KW

Jonathan Morton wrote:

> "Johnny"  wrote in message
> news:1126693581.703026.212980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Waterloo Main is still used.
> Is it? Where and when?


I've certainly seen it on signage around the Waterloo/Waterloo
East/Southwark group of stations in recent times[1], and I'm farily
certain I've heard it on a SET on-board announcement (as in 'change
here for...').

-- 
John.

[1] Last 12 months or so.

Chris Tolley wrote:

> Acton, how come we haven't had Acton yet?
> North, South, East, West, Central, Main Line
> ...
> and Bridge.


Since (AFAIAA) there isn't a vanilla "Acton". The initial speculation
was that distinction through appending alone was unusual, vice
alternate appendage. Hence why I avoided listing prepends.

-- 
John.

Have we had Ash and Ash Vale yet?
-- 
 Chris Johns