Hi all,

I've a query for any electricians out there, especially 'Part P' people!  I 
had a central heating system fitted yesterday, but the electrician couldn't 
make it out until today, when I was unfortunately back in work.  Now 
basically, the boiler is newly placed in the kitchen but due to it's 
placement, the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician moaned 
to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere so has basically 
clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has plugged the supply 
in for the boiler to a socket, using a double adaptor shared with the 
washing machine plug.

Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still 
needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  I won't even mention that the 
T+E to the room stat looks like it has been clipped by a 5 year old, or that 
it took 2 of them 2 hours to do it!!!

I was actually a qualified electrician (just until the 16th edition), but 
haven't worked in the industry for approx 10 years, however I know when I 
was working for my old firm I would have been sacked on the spot for such a 
shoddy job!  I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
standard of work expected of a professional firm?

Now I'll be ringing the heating firm tomorrow, but my fiance mentioned that 
they weren't from the same firm (so obviously sub-contractors), but I hope 
that they are as interested in seeing what they are paying for as I am. 
Anyone got any thoughts?

Best Wishes,
Dave

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"David Bennett"  wrote in message 
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> Hi all,
>
> I've a query for any electricians out there, especially 'Part P' people! 
> I had a central heating system fitted yesterday, but the electrician 
> couldn't make it out until today, when I was unfortunately back in work. 
> Now basically, the boiler is newly placed in the kitchen but due to it's 
> placement, the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician 
> moaned to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere so has 
> basically clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has 
> plugged the supply in for the boiler to a socket, using a double adaptor 
> shared with the washing machine plug.
>
> Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still 
> needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  I won't even mention that the 
> T+E to the room stat looks like it has been clipped by a 5 year old, or 
> that it took 2 of them 2 hours to do it!!!


Pluged in or wired to a fused spur is ok.
Depending if the skt is on a ring or spur, a logical soloution would be to 
take a spur of it to the boiler, with a fused spur by the boiler.


> I was actually a qualified electrician (just until the 16th edition), but 
> haven't worked in the industry for approx 10 years, however I know when I 
> was working for my old firm I would have been sacked on the spot for such 
> a shoddy job!  I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
> standard of work expected of a professional firm?
>
> Now I'll be ringing the heating firm tomorrow, but my fiance mentioned 
> that they weren't from the same firm (so obviously sub-contractors), but I 
> hope that they are as interested in seeing what they are paying for as I 
> am. Anyone got any thoughts?
>
> Best Wishes,
> Dave
> 

David Bennett wrote:


> [...] the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician moaned 
> to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere


So they could have picked up a feed only 2 m  away...


> so has basically clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket 
> and has plugged the supply in for the boiler to a socket, using a
> double adaptor shared with the washing machine plug.


Gordon Bennett!


> I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
> standard of work expected of a professional firm?


That is not in any way the standard of work expected of a professional firm:

- "proper materials and good workmanship" not used;

- easily avoidable use of flexible cord for fixed wiring;

- fixed wring attached to kitchen furniture, not to the building
  structure;

- failure to provide an adequate no. of outlet points, forcing use
  of a multi-way adapter to connect a fixed appliance.

-- 
Andy

David Bennett wrote:

> ... clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has 

 > plugged the supply in for the boiler to a socket, using a
 > double adaptor shared with the washing machine plug.

That is exactly what is required to comply with Part P.


> Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still 
> needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  


A plug and socket is OK *provided* the socket is unswitched (so the only 
means of disconnection is pulling the plug, which provides isolation - 
some switched sockets are only SP switched which would not provide 
isolation).


> I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
> standard of work expected of a professional firm?


It sounds exactly the sort of work expected from a *heating* firm. They 
generally kno nuffink about electrickery.

Owain

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:27:36 +0100, "David Bennett"  wrote:


>Hi all,
>
>I've a query for any electricians out there, especially 'Part P' people!  I 
>had a central heating system fitted yesterday, but the electrician couldn't 
>make it out until today, when I was unfortunately back in work.  Now 
>basically, the boiler is newly placed in the kitchen but due to it's 
>placement, the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician moaned 
>to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere so has basically 
>clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has plugged the supply 
>in for the boiler to a socket, using a double adaptor shared with the 
>washing machine plug.
>
>Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still 
>needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  I won't even mention that the 
>T+E to the room stat looks like it has been clipped by a 5 year old, or that 
>it took 2 of them 2 hours to do it!!!
>
>I was actually a qualified electrician (just until the 16th edition), but 
>haven't worked in the industry for approx 10 years, however I know when I 
>was working for my old firm I would have been sacked on the spot for such a 
>shoddy job!  I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
>standard of work expected of a professional firm?
>
>Now I'll be ringing the heating firm tomorrow, but my fiance mentioned that 
>they weren't from the same firm (so obviously sub-contractors), but I hope 
>that they are as interested in seeing what they are paying for as I am. 
>Anyone got any thoughts?
>
>Best Wishes,
>Dave 


I would worry about a high-load appliance like a washing machine plugged into an adaptor

Hi all,

Thanks for all your comments.  I spoke to the sub-contrators main man today 
and he's coming out tomorrow to have a look.  He spoke to the electrician, 
who told him that it was only meant to be a temporary job until we decided 
how we wanted it wired!  Hopefully it'll be sorted properly soon.

Best Wishes,
Dave


"Mike Harrison"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:27:36 +0100, "David Bennett" 
>  wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've a query for any electricians out there, especially 'Part P' people! 
>>I
>>had a central heating system fitted yesterday, but the electrician 
>>couldn't
>>make it out until today, when I was unfortunately back in work.  Now
>>basically, the boiler is newly placed in the kitchen but due to it's
>>placement, the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician 
>>moaned
>>to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere so has 
>>basically
>>clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has plugged the 
>>supply
>>in for the boiler to a socket, using a double adaptor shared with the
>>washing machine plug.
>>
>>Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still
>>needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  I won't even mention that the
>>T+E to the room stat looks like it has been clipped by a 5 year old, or 
>>that
>>it took 2 of them 2 hours to do it!!!
>>
>>I was actually a qualified electrician (just until the 16th edition), but
>>haven't worked in the industry for approx 10 years, however I know when I
>>was working for my old firm I would have been sacked on the spot for such 
>>a
>>shoddy job!  I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the
>>standard of work expected of a professional firm?
>>
>>Now I'll be ringing the heating firm tomorrow, but my fiance mentioned 
>>that
>>they weren't from the same firm (so obviously sub-contractors), but I hope
>>that they are as interested in seeing what they are paying for as I am.
>>Anyone got any thoughts?
>>
>>Best Wishes,
>>Dave
>
> I would worry about a high-load appliance like a washing machine plugged 
> into an adaptor 

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:27:36 +0100, David Bennett wrote:


> Hi all,
> 
> I've a query for any electricians out there, especially 'Part P' people!  I 
> had a central heating system fitted yesterday, but the electrician couldn't 
> make it out until today, when I was unfortunately back in work.  Now 
> basically, the boiler is newly placed in the kitchen but due to it's 
> placement, the nearest socket is approx 2m away.  Now the electrician moaned 
> to my fiance that they couldn't pick up the supply anywhere so has basically 
> clipped flex under the sink to the nearest socket and has plugged the supply 
> in for the boiler to a socket, using a double adaptor shared with the 
> washing machine plug.
> 
> Now I know that the boiler won't take much of a load, but surely it still 
> needs to be hard wired into a fused spare?  I won't even mention that the 
> T+E to the room stat looks like it has been clipped by a 5 year old, or that 
> it took 2 of them 2 hours to do it!!!
> 
> I was actually a qualified electrician (just until the 16th edition), but 
> haven't worked in the industry for approx 10 years, however I know when I 
> was working for my old firm I would have been sacked on the spot for such a 
> shoddy job!  I take it I'm right in thinking that this shouldn't be the 
> standard of work expected of a professional firm?
> 
> Now I'll be ringing the heating firm tomorrow, but my fiance mentioned that 
> they weren't from the same firm (so obviously sub-contractors), but I hope 
> that they are as interested in seeing what they are paying for as I am. 
> Anyone got any thoughts?
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Dave


I supplied a boiler from it's own dedicated socket in the cupboard it was
installed in. The flex was clipped. 
I submitted a building notification online  - CORGI inspected it -
(probably because this was the only boiler in the area where the
installer had submitted a notice [1]) and I got sent a defect
notice telling me to replace the socket supply with a SFCU. 

[1] I was speaking to a couple of other registered installers the other
day and asked them if they were submitting notices for their
installations. The reply was on the lines "Don't be daft - I'm not getting
involved with that crap".
-- 
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
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