Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
through the air, I dont know.

Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
particles going straight in.

And always use ear protection.


NT

bigcat@meeow.co.uk wrote:

> Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
> using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
> somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
> through the air, I dont know.
>
> Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
> the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
> particles going straight in.
>
> And always use ear protection.
>
>
> NT


Could they get up the nose? :-)

ben wrote:

> bigcat@meeow.co.uk wrote:
> > Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
> > using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
> > somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
> > through the air, I dont know.
> >
> > Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
> > the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
> > particles going straight in.
> >
> > And always use ear protection.
> >
> >
> > NT
>
> Could they get up the nose? :-)


heh, i expect they do. But noses are water cooled.

NT

In article , 
bigcat@meeow.co.uk says...

> Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
> using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
> somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
> through the air, I dont know.


Been there, done that, had the eye surgery ... what prompted this post?

> 
> Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
> the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
> particles going straight in.
> 
> And always use ear protection.
> 

I'm amazed that people using noisy equipment often don't seem to 
understand how important it is to protect their ears.

In article <xE_Te.104926$G8.25304@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
allo@h.co.uk says...
<snip>

> Could they get up the nose? :-)
> 

I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8a904ce05ba98798979b@news.individual.net...

> In article <xE_Te.104926$G8.25304@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> allo@h.co.uk says...
> <snip>
> > Could they get up the nose? :-)
> >
> I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward
> position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)


Some people go the doctors to get their ear singe...er..syringed. ;-)

Someone wrote:

> I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
> position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)


This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
*very good* idea to get some training in tool use. However,
that is not (on the job aside) available. Why not? 'Cos people
who've just spent 150 on a tool don't want to spend a bit
more on training? I'm sure there *ought* to be an opportunity
here...

Aside: don't they teach metalwork/woodwork etc. in schools
these days?

I am *not* trying to "wind up" anyone here.

Rob Morley  writes:

>In article , 
>bigcat@meeow.co.uk says...
>> Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
>> using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
>> somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
>> through the air, I dont know.
>
>Been there, done that, had the eye surgery ... what prompted this post?
>> 
>> Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
>> the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
>> particles going straight in.
>> 
>> And always use ear protection.
>> 
>I'm amazed that people using noisy equipment often don't seem to 
>understand how important it is to protect their ears.


Pardon?

-- 
       "The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
        [email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

Chris Bacon wrote:


> This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
> *very good* idea to get some training in tool use. However,
> that is not (on the job aside) available. Why not? 'Cos people
> who've just spent £150 on a tool don't want to spend a bit
> more on training? I'm sure there *ought* to be an opportunity
> here...


I guess its like driving. It takes time to realise what you didnt know,
and how much there was you didnt know.

I'd be surprised if you got any takers for such a course, even numpties
think they know what theyre doing. I've seen people be real careless
with dangle grinders, but on the rare occcasion I've said anything,
they dont want to know, I'm fine mate.

People often dont know what it is they dont know :)


NT

bigcat@meeow.co.uk wrote:

> Chris Bacon wrote:
>>This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
>>*very good* idea to get some training in tool use. However,
>>that is not (on the job aside) available. Why not?
> 
> I guess its like driving. It takes time to realise what you didnt know,
> and how much there was you didnt know.


But with driving, you take lessons. Anyone can go & buy a
power tool and just "go at it". It's a nightmare. Once you
realise what you didn't know, or even *think* about, there
may be various bits'n'pieces very much "yours" that will
*never* be the same again! Have I ever heard anything about
DIY accidents, pray? Ermm... yes.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:16:16 +0100, Rob Morley 
wrote:


>In article <xE_Te.104926$G8.25304@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
>allo@h.co.uk says...
><snip>
>> Could they get up the nose? :-)
>> 
>I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
>position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)


But could you hold your nose and blow bubbles out of your ear under
water? I now wear a cotton hood when welding under anything.

AJH

Chris Bacon wrote:

> bigcat@meeow.co.uk wrote:
> > Chris Bacon wrote:

> >>This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
> >>*very good* idea to get some training in tool use. However,
> >>that is not (on the job aside) available. Why not?
> >
> > I guess its like driving. It takes time to realise what you didnt know,
> > and how much there was you didnt know.
>
> But with driving, you take lessons. Anyone can go & buy a
> power tool and just "go at it". It's a nightmare. Once you
> realise what you didn't know, or even *think* about, there
> may be various bits'n'pieces very much "yours" that will
> *never* be the same again! Have I ever heard anything about
> DIY accidents, pray? Ermm... yes.


So true. Its why I call em dangle grinders. Yet beginners dont know it,
so wont pay out.


NT

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:14:36 +0100, Rob Morley 
wrote:


>> 
>I'm amazed that people using noisy equipment often don't seem to 
>understand how important it is to protect their ears.


You're referring to hifi here?

I'm amazed that people can go to the cinema and not protect their
ears...and that's 90-180 minutes of high volume.

Mr F.

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:50:26 +0100, Chris Bacon 
wrote:


>Someone wrote:
>> I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
>> position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
>
>This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
>*very good* idea to get some training in tool use. However,
>that is not (on the job aside) available. Why not? 'Cos people
>who've just spent 150 on a tool don't want to spend a bit
>more on training? I'm sure there *ought* to be an opportunity
>here...
>
>Aside: don't they teach metalwork/woodwork etc. in schools
>these days?
>
>I am *not* trying to "wind up" anyone here.


Life is full of risks. Some people are winners and some are losers.
"Do not boil in the can" "Do not spray near naked flame or
incandescent material".Such statements are invitations to many
(including myself). I am still alive and in posession of all senses
limbs and digits.

Perhaps I will win a Darwin award one day...until then can I really be
arsed to spend money on a powertool course? Where would I even find
such a thing?

The next project I have in mind is to half fill and old radiator with
propane then press the trigger on my blow torch. (I wouldn't do that
if I were you).

Have fun! :-)

Mr F.

Rob Morley  wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8a904ce05ba98798979b@news.individual.net...

> <snip>
> > Could they get up the nose? :-)
> >
> I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward
> position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)


ouch yes ive had that, I now ware ear defenders as well all the other safety
bits when welding underneath anything.

-

In article <dfq20c$218$1@anubis.demon.co.uk>, huge@ukmisc.org.uk says...

> Rob Morley  writes:
> >In article , 
> >bigcat@meeow.co.uk says...
> >> Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
> >> using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
> >> somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
> >> through the air, I dont know.
> >
> >Been there, done that, had the eye surgery ... what prompted this post?
> >> 
> >> Always use indirect vent goggles, not direct vent. DV have pinholes in
> >> the side, IV have rubber plugs to provide the ventilation, and prevent
> >> particles going straight in.
> >> 
> >> And always use ear protection.
> >> 
> >I'm amazed that people using noisy equipment often don't seem to 
> >understand how important it is to protect their ears.
> 
> Pardon?
> 

I SAID YOU SHOULD LOOK AFTER YOUR EARS ... oh, never mind ...

In article <43209542$1_3@x-privat.org>, chrispbacon@thai.com says...

> Someone wrote:
> > I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
> > position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
> 
> This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
> *very good* idea to get some training in tool use.


Don't be such a wet blanket.  Next you'll be telling us that smoking, 
drinking coffee and eating bacon sandwiches is bad for us.

In article , 
sylva@despammed.com says...

> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:16:16 +0100, Rob Morley 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <xE_Te.104926$G8.25304@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
> >allo@h.co.uk says...
> ><snip>
> >> Could they get up the nose? :-)
> >> 
> >I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
> >position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
> 
> But could you hold your nose and blow bubbles out of your ear under
> water? I now wear a cotton hood when welding under anything.
> 

It didn't do any damage that I could notice, it was just rather strange  
:-)

In article <Zg3Ue.507$K5.396@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, Mark@127.0.0.1 
says...

> 
> Rob Morley  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d8a904ce05ba98798979b@news.individual.net...
> > <snip>
> > > Could they get up the nose? :-)
> > >
> > I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward
> > position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
> 
> ouch yes ive had that, I now ware ear defenders as well all the other safety
> bits when welding underneath anything.
> 

How do you get ear defenders to fit under a welding helmet?  Or do you 
mean those little foam plug things?

I've been wearing ear protectors at work on and off for about 30 years.
Am losing hearing a bit and recent ear test showed hearing loss typical
of work related noise damage - a particular dip in the graph it seems.
So it should have been more "on" than "off" it would appear.
I'm now beginning to wonder about smoking, drinking coffee and eating
bacon sandwiches - but would life be worth living?

cheers

Jacob

jacob@jpbutler.demon.co.uk writes:

>I've been wearing ear protectors at work on and off for about 30 years.
>Am losing hearing a bit and recent ear test showed hearing loss typical
>of work related noise damage 

Me too.

>- a particular dip in the graph it seems.
>So it should have been more "on" than "off" it would appear.


Except in my case it's shooting, motor racing and loud rock concerts.


>I'm now beginning to wonder about smoking, drinking coffee and eating
>bacon sandwiches - but would life be worth living?


Oh, yes.

-- 
       "The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
        [email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

Rob Morley  wrote:

> In article <43209542$1_3@x-privat.org>, chrispbacon@thai.com says...
>> Someone wrote:
>> > I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward 
>> > position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
>> 
>> This, in addition to other stories told here, is why it's a
>> *very good* idea to get some training in tool use.
> 
> Don't be such a wet blanket.  Next you'll be telling us that smoking, 
> drinking coffee and eating bacon sandwiches is bad for us.


It is.
You'll get the fag wet.

With regard to driving, there is an alternative to enduring years of
gaining experience:
go and learn further driving techniques from Rospa or the Institute of
Advanced Motorists
(to name two organisations).

These folk teach you stuff you may learn over multiple years of driving
experience.
Screw-up spectacularly at the start of your multiple years of
experience and
you may not be around to finish the course.

I'm biased in that I took such tuition some 20 years ago, and feel that
it has helped
me in my driving.

Mungo

[As an aside, an anecdote from the head of the driving club I attended
umpteen
years ago: The driving club bloke would hear other drivers tell that
their offspring
regularly suffered "car sickness" to which he would regularly reply
"there's no
such thing as 'car sickness'".
This usually brought a swift reply from the parent "Of course there is,
my wee kid
regularly throws up when I drive".
The reply to this was "There is no such thing as Car Sickness but there
IS such a
thing as 'motion sickness' ".
And then the hapless parent was taught to change gear properly so that
the
car occupants weren't thrown back and forward through the changes.
]

mungoh@gmail.com wrote:
<snip tale of car sicknes complaints>


> The reply to this was "There is no such thing as Car Sickness but there
> IS such a
> thing as 'motion sickness' ".
> And then the hapless parent was taught to change gear properly so that
> the
> car occupants weren't thrown back and forward through the changes.
> ]


I'd be mightily surprised if changing gear contributed in any
significant way to the enourmous range of motions experienced in car -
unless you are a ham fisted 17yr old thrashing the nuts of Citroen Saxo
with a bean can for an exhaust.

I can honeslty say that as someone who suffers motions sickness any
more than about 2 minutes of map reading on the motorway (whilst a
passenger obviously) has me green and wanting to barf in my shoes.

--
Steve F

On 9 Sep 2005 01:28:39 -0700, jacob@jpbutler.demon.co.uk wrote:


>I've been wearing ear protectors at work on and off for about 30 years.
>Am losing hearing a bit and recent ear test showed hearing loss typical
>of work related noise damage - a particular dip in the graph it seems.
>So it should have been more "on" than "off" it would appear.
>I'm now beginning to wonder about smoking, drinking coffee and eating
>bacon sandwiches - but would life be worth living?
>

It's taken you that long to wonder about smoking?!

Mr F.

Mr Fizzion wrote:

> The next project I have in mind is to half fill and old radiator with
> propane then press the trigger on my blow torch. (I wouldn't do that
> if I were you).
> Have fun! :-)


Start saving the half-empty calor gas cylinders for Bonfire Night, only 
a couple of months to go.

Owain

Rob Morley wrote:

> Don't be such a wet blanket.  Next you'll be telling us that smoking, 
> drinking coffee and eating bacon sandwiches is bad for us.


I wouldn't recommend doing it while using an angle grinder. You need two 
hands to hold a proper bacon sandwich.

Owain

In my experience you'd be surprised Steve. The "litmus test" for anyone
gear-changing is that the changes should ideally be imperceptible by
anyone
sitting in the passenger seat who can't see the driver performing the
change nor hear the change in the engine tone.
And that includes changing down as well as up!

There's also the issue of throwing the vehicle into corners as well as
watching the
road surface ahead to miss the potholes... some drivers seem oblivious
to both.

YMMV

Mungo :-)

Rob Morley  wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8ae2c6438bdb089897a7@news.individual.net...

> > > <snip>
> > > > Could they get up the nose? :-)
> > > >
> > > I've had weld spatter go straight in my ear when working in an awkward
> > > position - I actually heard it go "whoosh sizzle"  :-)
> >
> > ouch yes ive had that, I now ware ear defenders as well all the other
safety
> > bits when welding underneath anything.
> >
> How do you get ear defenders to fit under a welding helmet?  Or do you
> mean those little foam plug things?


my original flip-up visor type helmet is quite small, so a small pr of ear
defenders fit easily .
Ive now also got an auto-dark like screwfix 19841-76  which covers most of
the head/ears but it's a bit top heavy when  crawling underneath things.


-

Owain wrote:


>> Don't be such a wet blanket.  Next you'll be telling us that smoking, 
>> drinking coffee and eating bacon sandwiches is bad for us.
> 
> 
> I wouldn't recommend doing it while using an angle grinder. You need two 
> hands to hold a proper bacon sandwich.


So just hold the grinder between your knees then....



-- 
Cheers,

John.

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bigcat@meeow.co.uk wrote:


> Hospitals see eye injuries in people wearing safety eye protection and
> using angle grinders. The yellow hot sparks can
> somehow get in anyway - maybe they sometimes take odd curved paths
> through the air, I dont know.


When chipping tiles off the wall, use goggles when you're prising them
off.

Tiles bending spit the glaze off in nasty shards. Very uncomfortable
getting it in the eye.

DAMHIK,IJD,OK.

P.