Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor 
Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however, 
I`m assured it works.

If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you 
managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know) 
and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on 
thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the 
spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will 
unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a 
complete charlie.

Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they 
dont have electrikery type door locks?


technically
Ron O'Cynic

-- 

www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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>   Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor
> Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however,
> I`m assured it works.
>
> If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you
> managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know)
> and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on
> thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the
> spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will
> unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a
> complete charlie.
>
> Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they
> dont have electrikery type door locks?
>
>
> technically
> Ron O'Cynic


I'll try it. i'll try it. Where's me phone..now where did
I...ORRRRRRRLY!!!!!!! Hmf! He's at work again. Why does he keep going off to
work.

Edith Sizzlebrain

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), Ron(UK) wrote:


> I`m assured it works.


Complete cods wallop. It never ceases to amaze me what people will 
believe and the imaginations of those that come up with these stories.  
B-)

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), Ron(UK) wrote:
>
> > I`m assured it works.
>
> Complete cods wallop. It never ceases to amaze me what people will
> believe and the imaginations of those that come up with these stories.
> B-)
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


I know, Dave. It's unbelievable. ..........and I don't even have a car.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.imi8kw0.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> 
>>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), Ron(UK) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I`m assured it works.
>>
>>Complete cods wallop. It never ceases to amaze me what people will
>>believe and the imaginations of those that come up with these stories.
>>B-)
>>
>>--
>>Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
>>Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail
> 
> 
> I know, Dave. It's unbelievable. ..........and I don't even have a car.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

It definitely wont work for you then Edith

Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked near 
a mobile phone mast? - I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it 
wouldn`t start anywhere

logically
Ron (leaky) O'rings

-- 
Beside the Seaside
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

>   Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our
>   prophet Victor 
> Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate
> authenticity, however, I`m assured it works.
> 
> If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for
> some reason you managed to lock your zapper doofer in the
> car (not easy to do I know) and you have a spare at home.
> You call your spouse/partner/offspring on thier mobile
> phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the 
> spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your
> car will unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away
> without looking a complete charlie.
> 
> Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are
> so old they dont have electrikery type door locks?
> 
> 
> technically
> Ron O'Cynic


There's no way that will work. In America, some cars have OnStar  
systems and you just call them and they have a satellite send a 
signal to unlock your car.

Probably not currently working in New Orleans...

Johnny-drives-Toyotas

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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message >

> Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked near a 
> mobile phone mast? - I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it 
> wouldn`t start anywhere
>
> logically
> Ron (leaky) O'rings



Must check the neighborhood for new mobile masts. The microwave is still a 
bit worrying.


Rex.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> > news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.imi8kw0.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> >
> >>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), Ron(UK) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I`m assured it works.
> >>
> >>Complete cods wallop. It never ceases to amaze me what people will
> >>believe and the imaginations of those that come up with these stories.
> >>B-)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> >>Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail
> >
> >
> > I know, Dave. It's unbelievable. ..........and I don't even have a car.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> It definitely wont work for you then Edith
>
> Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked near
> a mobile phone mast? - I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it
> wouldn`t start anywhere
>
> logically
> Ron (leaky) O'rings
>


ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.HELP

Edith

There was an Englishman, Scotsman and an Irish man out on the golf course.
Suddenly one say's, I bet you can't throw the ball in the air and count to
23 before it falls and hits the ground.

The Irishman convinced he can says, no trouble, throws his ball into the air
as high has he can and starts counting. One two three four five, he comes to
seven and the ball falls. Bollocks, says he.

The Scotsman, boastingly says, take a look at this and throws his ball as
high has he can and starts counting rapidly.
One two three four five six seven ei...plonk! The ball falls to the ground.
Bollocks, says he.

The Englishman, being somewhat of a joker throws his ball as high has he can
into the air, lifts up both hands and says, "Ten fingers, ten toes, two
balls and a tiddler." then catches the ball.

Hehehehe, ho ho !!!!!!!!!!! hahaa roll me over.
Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message >
> > Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked near
a
> > mobile phone mast? - I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it
> > wouldn`t start anywhere
> >
> > logically
> > Ron (leaky) O'rings
>
>
> Must check the neighborhood for new mobile masts. The microwave is still a
> bit worrying.
>
> Rex.


Check the hinges on the door, Rex.

Edith with faulty washing machine, just gives it a kick.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> There was an Englishman, Scotsman and an Irish man out on the golf course.
> Suddenly one say's, I bet you can't throw the ball in the air and count to
> 23 before it falls and hits the ground.
>

Me, I'd have thrown it on to a roof or something, and counted very slowly 
while the ball refused to come anywhere near the ground...

ally

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
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>
> Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they dont 
> have electrikery type door locks?
>

I'm dreading the day when all second-hand cars come with these things. I 
hate them. I once had a hire car with a door-zapper (mine was being repaired 
and this was a courtesy car thingy). They showed me how it worked, and it 
seemed OK, but the keyring the fancy zapping device was on was a bit flimsy, 
and within 24 hours it had fallen off its keyring and vanished, probably 
somewhere in central Edinburgh where I'd been shopping that day. I searched 
high and low but failed to locate it, so just used the ordinary key (which 
worked just fine on its own) until I had to return the car to the hire 
company. All hell broke loose. Nobody had warned me the bloody thing cost 
over 100 to replace (and this is over 10 years ago...). I refused point 
blank to pay for it, as I hadn't been told, and it was their fault for 
supplying such a crappy keyring in the first place. They weren't happy, but 
in the end they gave in, and I didn't have to pay.

What's the point of these expensive things though? What's wrong with normal 
keys and locks? It's like they had a technology looking for a job to do, and 
they created the job just to use the technology. (I know this goes on a 
lot.) I like locking and unlocking doors one at a time - this way I know 
they are all properly secure. I also dislike electric window winders... 
aargh don't get me started...

ally-reactionary

> aargh don't get me started... 
> 
> ally-reactionary 

 
Too late!

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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:54:45 +0000, Norcot wrote:


> 
> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message >
>> Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked near a 
>> mobile phone mast? - I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it 
>> wouldn`t start anywhere
>>
>> logically
>> Ron (leaky) O'rings
> 
> 
> Must check the neighborhood for new mobile masts. The microwave is still a 
> bit worrying.
> 



The battery on my car blipper is going flat, and the boot opening
facility has started to open the boot randomly. I must get a
new battery in it.

Jp

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:52:13 +0000 (UTC), Ron(UK) wrote:


> Did you know that they say some cars wont start if they are parked 
> near a mobile phone mast?


There is some truth in that though the culprits are generally TETRA 
masts(*) rather than ordinary mobile phone masts. They operate on very 
similar frequencies as the car blippers and the cheapo recievers in 
the cars can't cope with the strong near by signals.


> I had a Ford Anglia like that once, in fact it wouldn`t start 
> anywhere


Yeah but I bet it didn't have a single semiconductor in the entire 
vehicle. I haven't counted the computers in my current car, a gave up 
when I found one just to control the electric sunroofs.

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), "Ron(UK)"
 wrote:


>  Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor 
>Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however, 
>I`m assured it works.
>
>If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you 
>managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know) 
>and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on 
>thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the 
>spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will 
>unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a 
>complete charlie.
>
>Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they 
>dont have electrikery type door locks?
>
>
>technically
>Ron O'Cynic



This is b*****ks.

J. (also a cynic)

JH wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), "Ron(UK)"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor 
>>Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however, 
>>I`m assured it works.
>>
>>If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you 
>>managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know) 
>>and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on 
>>thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the 
>>spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will 
>>unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a 
>>complete charlie.
>>
>>Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they 
>>dont have electrikery type door locks?
>>
>>
>>technically
>>Ron O'Cynic
> 
> 
> 
> This is b*****ks.
> 
> J. (also a cynic)


Bookmarks?

Ron O'knackered



-- 
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things and stuff
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"JH"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), "Ron(UK)"
>  wrote:
>
> >  Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor
> >Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however,
> >I`m assured it works.
> >
> >If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you
> >managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know)
> >and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on
> >thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the
> >spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will
> >unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a
> >complete charlie.
> >
> >Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they
> >dont have electrikery type door locks?
> >
> >
> >technically
> >Ron O'Cynic
>
>
> This is b*****ks.
>
> J. (also a cynic)


Huh? You got up on the wrong side of the bed today, Beanstalk. Buisness
slowing down? Hard winter on it's way?

You never did tell us about your bo-bil. What kind is it. How high is it.?
Does it have a shower? Will it ever cross the north atlantic? What kind of
license do you need to drive it, A:B:C:? Comeonnow, tell Edith.

Edith.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> JH wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:29 +0000 (UTC), "Ron(UK)"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Someone told me this t'otherday and in the words of our prophet Victor
> >>Meldrew, I had trouble accepting it`s immediate authenticity, however,
> >>I`m assured it works.
> >>
> >>If you have a car with remote central locking.. and for some reason you
> >>managed to lock your zapper doofer in the car (not easy to do I know)
> >>and you have a spare at home. You call your spouse/partner/offspring on
> >>thier mobile phone using your mobile phone, and get them to hold the
> >>spare zapper next to their phone and press the button. Your car will
> >>unlock enabing your to gain entry and drive away without looking a
> >>complete charlie.
> >>
> >>Who`s gonna try it then, or do we all drive cars that are so old they
> >>dont have electrikery type door locks?
> >>
> >>
> >>technically
> >>Ron O'Cynic
> >
> > This is b*****ks.
> >
> > J. (also a cynic)
>
> Bookmarks?
>
> Ron O'knackered


How did the sound job go down Oh Knackered one?

Sweets for my sweet
Sugar for my baby etc etc etc.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:


> 
> How did the sound job go down Oh Knackered one?
> 
> Sweets for my sweet
> Sugar for my baby etc etc etc.
> 
> Edith.
> 



Oh ya know...  Long tiring day, but the gig was ok, they have their own 
soundy person so I was on flashy lights.. (which I hate doing)

Band are good tho, very tight - but then again they should be, they bin 
doing it more`n forty years.

Theres a surprising amount of totty at those 60`s revival gigs  ehehe

Ron O'gle




-- 
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www.lunevalleyaudio.com

The Traveller wrote:


>>Ron O'knackered
> 
> 
> How did the sound job go down Oh Knackered one?
> 
> Sweets for my sweet
> Sugar for my baby etc etc etc.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 


The boys send their regards btw Edith - or should I say Cynthia 
PlasterCaster!


sniggeringly

Ron O'Plaster of Paris


-- 

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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >
> > How did the sound job go down Oh Knackered one?
> >
> > Sweets for my sweet
> > Sugar for my baby etc etc etc.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
>
>
> Oh ya know...  Long tiring day, but the gig was ok, they have their own
> soundy person so I was on flashy lights.. (which I hate doing)
>
> Band are good tho, very tight - but then again they should be, they bin
> doing it more`n forty years.
>
> Theres a surprising amount of totty at those 60`s revival gigs  ehehe
>
> Ron O'gle


I did lights once. It was fascinating. It was just a little gadget that lit
up the whole stage and I could lower the lights at any time. I had great fun
with it. I would have liked a spotlight for a certain solo dancer tho'
Otherwise,. I love the colours.

Edith.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >>Ron O'knackered
> >
> >
> > How did the sound job go down Oh Knackered one?
> >
> > Sweets for my sweet
> > Sugar for my baby etc etc etc.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
>
> The boys send their regards btw Edith - or should I say Cynthia
> PlasterCaster!
>
>
> sniggeringly
>
> Ron O'Plaster of Paris


Thank you all, yes, Cynthia was my stage name at the time. ;o)

Edith.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:53:31 퍝, a l l y wrote:


> I searched high and low but failed to locate it, so just used the 
> ordinary key (which worked just fine on its own) until I had to 
> return the car to the hire company. All hell broke loose. Nobody had 
> warned me the bloody thing cost over £100 to replace (and this is 
> over 10 years ago...).


They aren't cheap but I'm sure that is to deter people from buying 
them for criminal purposes rather than a true reflection of their 
actual manufacturing cost.


> What's the point of these expensive things though? What's wrong with 
> normal keys and locks? 


On a car a normal key lock will work just as well with a big screw 
driver hammered in and twisted... The electronic link makes it harder 
to disable the alarm and immobilsier


> I like locking and unlocking doors one at a time - this way I know 
> they are all properly secure. 


My car only unlocks the drivers door on the first zap, it requires a 
second zap to open all the others. Everything locks when you zap to 
lock and if it doesn't like something, door not closed properly, the 
horn honks once.

I like being able to lock/unlock/check the car without having to go 
out into the wind, rain or snow...

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:15:53 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:


> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:53:31 +0100, a l l y wrote:
> 
>> I searched high and low but failed to locate it, so just used the 
>> ordinary key (which worked just fine on its own) until I had to 
>> return the car to the hire company. All hell broke loose. Nobody had 
>> warned me the bloody thing cost over 100 to replace (and this is 
>> over 10 years ago...).
> 
> They aren't cheap but I'm sure that is to deter people from buying 
> them for criminal purposes rather than a true reflection of their 
> actual manufacturing cost.


The manufacturing cost wouldn't include the retailer's cut, and the
car rental's administrative expenses and "punishment" recompense.

I've never thought of the price being a deterrent! That's very
public-spirited of the manufacturer/retailer. I thought that the cost was
in the complicated and unique coding that has to be entered into the
system by the installer and matched to all other keys in the system.

> 
>> What's the point of these expensive things though? What's wrong with
>> normal keys and locks?
> 
> On a car a normal key lock will work just as well with a big screw
> driver hammered in and twisted... The electronic link makes it harder to
> disable the alarm and immobilsier
(snip)
> My car only unlocks the drivers door on the first zap, it requires a
> second zap to open all the others. Everything locks when you zap to lock
> and if it doesn't like something, door not closed properly, the horn
> honks once.

(snip)

Jp

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:53:31 +0100, a l l y wrote:

8><--------------------------------

My car only unlocks the drivers door on the first zap, it requires a
second zap to open all the others. Everything locks when you zap to
lock and if it doesn't like something, door not closed properly, the
horn honks once.

I like being able to lock/unlock/check the car without having to go
out into the wind, rain or snow...

I was out on a jolly in a hire-car the other day - a Renault Megane (the new 
type with the sticky-out back-end).  It doesn't have a key!  it has a chunk 
of plastic about the size of a credit-card, but about 10mm thick which you 
stick in a slot in the dash, then press a button marked 'start' at the same 
time as depressing the brake-pedal (and after ensuring neutral is selected).

Naturally, it has zapper-opening and closing...  However (and I should have 
probably read the handbook), I have no idea what would happen if the battery 
went flat; would I have been locked out?  Would the locks have defaulted to 
'open'?

Any Megane owners care to enlighten me?
-- 
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Russell W. B.
http://www.huttonrow.co.uk

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:33:21 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


>> They aren't cheap but I'm sure that is to deter people from buying 
>> them for criminal purposes rather than a true reflection of their 
>> actual manufacturing cost.
> 
> The manufacturing cost wouldn't include the retailer's cut, and the
> car rental's administrative expenses and "punishment" recompense.


You've obviously not tried to buy one... They are finging expensive 
full stop without the added costs you mention.


> I've never thought of the price being a deterrent! That's very
> public-spirited of the manufacturer/retailer.


I can't see anyother justification for the price. A plastic moulding, 
a stamped bit of metal and a mass produced bit of electronics. Unique 
numbers are available in allsorts of cheap electronics, network cards 
for example *retailing* at less than £5. TBH the hard and expensive 
part is probably the stamped bit of metal which requires the right 
profile for the lock.


> I thought that the cost was in the complicated and unique coding 
> that has to be entered into the system by the installer and matched 
> to all other keys in the system.


They are clever things with rolling codes etc but these days there is 
normally away to match a car and key together. Sometimes this is just 
a sequence of switching on/off and button pushing in a set order 
within a time limit others need a trip to a dealer and the car 
connecting to the service computer.

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:20:11 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:


> I was out on a jolly in a hire-car the other day - a Renault Megane 
> (the new type with the sticky-out back-end).  It doesn't have a key!
> it has a chunk of plastic about the size of a credit-card, but about 
> 10mm thick ...


Flippin heck thats a bit big to carry about. I had a Disco 3 the other 
week as my Disco II was in for service. They key on that annoyed me as 
being to big, about 2 x 1 x 1/2" the metal bit flipped out on a button 
push, still need that for the ignition.



> Naturally, it has zapper-opening and closing...  However (and I 
> should have probably read the handbook), I have no idea what would 
> happen if the battery went flat; would I have been locked out?  


Battery in what the zapper or the car?

In the car nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state it 
was when its battery went flat.

In the zapper nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state 
it was in.

Starting may not require any power in the zapper, it could be just be 
a passive ID thing like the security tags in stores.

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:33:21 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
> 
> 
>>>They aren't cheap but I'm sure that is to deter people from buying 
>>>them for criminal purposes rather than a true reflection of their 
>>>actual manufacturing cost.
>>
>>The manufacturing cost wouldn't include the retailer's cut, and the
>>car rental's administrative expenses and "punishment" recompense.
> 
> 
> You've obviously not tried to buy one... They are finging expensive 
> full stop without the added costs you mention.
> 
> 
>>I've never thought of the price being a deterrent! That's very
>>public-spirited of the manufacturer/retailer.
> 
> 
> I can't see anyother justification for the price. A plastic moulding, 
> a stamped bit of metal and a mass produced bit of electronics. Unique 
> numbers are available in allsorts of cheap electronics, network cards 
> for example *retailing* at less than 5. TBH the hard and expensive 
> part is probably the stamped bit of metal which requires the right 
> profile for the lock.
> 
> 
>>I thought that the cost was in the complicated and unique coding 
>>that has to be entered into the system by the installer and matched 
>>to all other keys in the system.
> 
> 
> They are clever things with rolling codes etc but these days there is 
> normally away to match a car and key together. Sometimes this is just 
> a sequence of switching on/off and button pushing in a set order 
> within a time limit others need a trip to a dealer and the car 
> connecting to the service computer.
> 


Another drawback of these things is that you can't pacify a baby with 
them. The combination of the leather and metal on an old fashioned car 
keyring and the jingle of the metal was irresistible to babies. It would 
soothe the crankiest. Plastic substitutes are just not as acceptable. 
Babies know they're just fake. The dirtier the better. Same with TV 
remotes and phones.  My house and car keys were always the thing that 
would distract and satisfy my children, who were 1985 and 1989 
productions themselves, when remote locking was not available on our car 
which was of an even earlier model.

A friend's toddler made a bee-line for mine the other day, while I was 
trying to talk on the phone and much to her annoyance, I couldn't let 
her keep them. She was prepared to decapitate me in her effort to remove 
the lanyard from my neck. She knew exactly what the button on the remote 
was for and to use her thumb on it. She was puzzled that she couldn't 
hear a beep and kept pressing and pressing it. (I could hear the 
electronic 'click' on the cordless phone, funnily enough)  Saliva can 
play havoc with such things and fortunately she took my stern advice not 
to eat it. My remote is sensitive enough that she soon had the boot open 
in the drive, fortunately not in a very criminal minded neighbourhood.

Jp

Jpinny wrote:

>>
>
> Another drawback of these things is that you can't pacify a baby with
> them.


one of our moggies managed to open the Honda with one.  They can easily
change the channel on TV and turn the bedside radio on or off.  Ergo babies
are dumber than moggies ;-)

Al




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"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:20:11 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>
>> I was out on a jolly in a hire-car the other day - a Renault Megane
>> (the new type with the sticky-out back-end).  It doesn't have a key!
>> it has a chunk of plastic about the size of a credit-card, but about
>> 10mm thick ...
>
> Flippin heck thats a bit big to carry about. I had a Disco 3 the other
> week as my Disco II was in for service. They key on that annoyed me as
> being to big, about 2 x 1 x 1/2" the metal bit flipped out on a button
> push, still need that for the ignition.


A bit like the VW 'flick-knife' device?

>
>
>> Naturally, it has zapper-opening and closing...  However (and I
>> should have probably read the handbook), I have no idea what would
>> happen if the battery went flat; would I have been locked out?
>
> Battery in what the zapper or the car?


Battery in the car.  With so much dependent on the electrics I would hate to 
find myself in the situation of being locked out of my (locked) car on 
account of a flat battery (if, for example, a faulty boot-light switch meant 
the lamp had drained it overnight, as has happened to me before).

>
> In the car nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state it
> was when its battery went flat.


Except that the locks might remain locked,  as they require either a 
solenoid or vacuum pump to be energised from somewhere.  This thing I had 
hired had no keyholes that I could see!

>
> In the zapper nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state
> it was in.


One is usually aware of battery degredation in the zapper, as the operating 
distance diminishes (empirical evidence on the ones I have had already).

>
> Starting may not require any power in the zapper, it could be just be
> a passive ID thing like the security tags in stores.


My (sorry, my Wife's ...  We have 'our' car, and she has 'her' car, which I 
use.  *I* don't have a car  :o() Peugeot 106 has one of those, embedded in 
what looks like a normal key.

>

-- 
Regds,

Russell W. B.
http://www.huttonrow.co.uk

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Russell W. Barnes wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.imny372.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> 
>>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:20:11 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was out on a jolly in a hire-car the other day - a Renault Megane
>>>(the new type with the sticky-out back-end).  It doesn't have a key!
>>>it has a chunk of plastic about the size of a credit-card, but about
>>>10mm thick ...
>>
>>Flippin heck thats a bit big to carry about. I had a Disco 3 the other
>>week as my Disco II was in for service. They key on that annoyed me as
>>being to big, about 2 x 1 x 1/2" the metal bit flipped out on a button
>>push, still need that for the ignition.
> 
> 
> A bit like the VW 'flick-knife' device?
> 
>>
>>>Naturally, it has zapper-opening and closing...  However (and I
>>>should have probably read the handbook), I have no idea what would
>>>happen if the battery went flat; would I have been locked out?
>>
>>Battery in what the zapper or the car?
> 
> 
> Battery in the car.  With so much dependent on the electrics I would hate to 
> find myself in the situation of being locked out of my (locked) car on 
> account of a flat battery (if, for example, a faulty boot-light switch meant 
> the lamp had drained it overnight, as has happened to me before).
> 
>>In the car nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state it
>>was when its battery went flat.
> 
> 
> Except that the locks might remain locked,  as they require either a 
> solenoid or vacuum pump to be energised from somewhere.  This thing I had 
> hired had no keyholes that I could see!
> 
>>In the zapper nothing is going to happen, the car stays in the state
>>it was in.
> 
> 
> One is usually aware of battery degredation in the zapper, as the operating 
> distance diminishes (empirical evidence on the ones I have had already).
> 
>>Starting may not require any power in the zapper, it could be just be
>>a passive ID thing like the security tags in stores.
> 
> 
> My (sorry, my Wife's ...  We have 'our' car, and she has 'her' car, which I 
> use.  *I* don't have a car  :o() Peugeot 106 has one of those, embedded in 
> what looks like a normal key.
> 


Wiv my Audi  (yes I know.. sorry)  I got a couple of those flicknife 
doobries with the buttons to lock and unlock [1] a normal looking key 
which opens the doors and tailgate bit not the glove box [2](and a 
little simple plastic 'emergency' key that opens all doors and starts 
the engine, which beggers the question  why do I need the avoer 100 
fancy doofers if a bit of shaped placky will do the job?

[1]  Also closes the windee`s if you should inadvertently leave them open.

[2] where I keep mi string backed driving gloves

All that technology,  scarey init


Voorsprungdorktechnically
Ron O'Quattro


-- 
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etc.
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Ron(UK) wrote:

> Russell W. Barnes wrote:
> 
>> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
>> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.imny372.pminews@news.howhill.com...
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:20:11 +0100, Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was out on a jolly in a hire-car the other day - a Renault Megane
>>>> (the new type with the sticky-out back-end).  It doesn't have a key!
>>>> it has a chunk of plastic about the size of a credit-card, but about
>>>> 10mm thick ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Flippin heck thats a bit big to carry about. I had a Disco 3 the other
>>> week as my Disco II was in for service. They key on that annoyed me as
>>> being to big, about 2 x 1 x 1/2" the metal bit flipped out on a button
>>> push, still need that for the ignition.
>>
>>
>>
>> A bit like the VW 'flick-knife' device?


My Vauxhaul Astra hire car had one of them. Rather snazzy I thought. My 
friend's hire car Toyota Prius Hybrid had the plastic card key.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
news:1126450364_9909@spool6-

.......babies  are dumber than moggies ;-)

I always thought so.

ally

This gets worse and worse. If my next car has all this electronic 
unnecessariness how much will it cost me to turn it into an old-fashioned 
car with metal keys? (I know, it's impossible: and this reactionary stuff is 
shocking coming from someone like me who normally revels in hi-tech 
gadgetry.)

Maybe it's time to start exploring the vintage car market...

ally

a l l y wrote:

> This gets worse and worse. If my next car has all this electronic 
> unnecessariness how much will it cost me to turn it into an old-fashioned 
> car with metal keys? (I know, it's impossible: and this reactionary stuff is 
> shocking coming from someone like me who normally revels in hi-tech 
> gadgetry.)
> 
> Maybe it's time to start exploring the vintage car market...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 


Modern cars are quite scarey, apart from all the door locking malarkey, 
mine has four wheel drive, anti lock braking, traction control,  ESP...! 
(whatever that is - I think it`s reading my mind tho) enough flashy 
lights to satisfy an airline pilot, climate control? and it bleets at me 
at the slightest provocation, forever telling me something isnt right... 
ice on road, imaginary brake light out, low water in the scatalogical 
conspirator or summink - and if anythnig really does go wrong, it`s an 
arm anna leg.

I prefer our old Vovlo.. good old fashioned built like a brick sh~thouse 
engineering wiv no frills apart from what passes as air con and antilock 
doodahs. and enough room inside to get my PA system and two peeps. It 
might not be fast but it always gets there.

swedishly

Ron O'vlov

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Public address system
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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
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> Modern cars are quite scarey, apart from all the door locking malarkey, 
> mine has four wheel drive, anti lock braking, traction control,  ESP...! 
> (whatever that is - I think it`s reading my mind tho) enough flashy lights 
> to satisfy an airline pilot, climate control? and it bleets at me at the 
> slightest provocation, forever telling me something isnt right... ice on 
> road, imaginary brake light out, low water in the scatalogical conspirator 
> or summink - and if anythnig really does go wrong, it`s an arm anna leg.
>

Well my current Berlingo is quick enough to tell me I've opened the door 
with the keys still in the ignition (Yes - I know I did that - it was 
intentional - I've just paused to post a letter - so shut up...) but failed 
to let me know one of my tail lights wasn't working, causing the bl00dy 
thing to fail its MOT. If it's going to warm me of stuff, let it warn me of 
things I want to be warned about.

My son's got the right idea. He lives in the centre of Edinburgh, where he 
can walk or take a bus to everywhere he wants, and has so little need of a 
car he's never even learned to drive. Must save him a fortune.

ally

Norcot wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> 
>>My son's got the right idea. He lives in the centre of Edinburgh, where he 
>>can walk or take a bus to everywhere he wants, and has so little need of a 
>>car he's never even learned to drive. Must save him a fortune.
>>
>>ally
> 
> My younger daughter, Lois, lives in the centre of Leicester. She did pass 
> her test, umpteen years ago, but has never bothered to drive a car since. 
> Public transport is cheaper and has no parking problems.
> 
> Rex  (Lives in the country and couldn't manage without a car.) 
> 
> 


My daughter passed her test earier this year, she`s a bit 'careful' she 
still drives like she`s on her test, and only dare drive on the roads 
she learnt on!

Ron O'penhighway

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