My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
Any clever ideas ?
TIA,
Simon.

sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote:

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
> Any clever ideas ?
> TIA,
> Simon.


Yes position the bath against the getting it level length wise the way you
want it, mark a line at the end of the bath under the rim, take the bath
away from wall then use a laser level to to complete the line run at the
other end of where the bath sits then secure a baton to the wall.

In article , 
sm_jamieson@hotmail.com says...

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.


Shape the batten so the rim of the bath hooks over it rather than just 
resting on top, then lag it with silicone sealant before fitting the 
bath.  Fill the bath before the sealant goes off so there's a good 
contact between bath and batten.

> Shape the batten so the rim of the bath hooks over it rather than just
> resting on top, then lag it with silicone sealant before fitting the
> bath.  Fill the bath before the sealant goes off so there's a good
> contact between bath and batten.


Yep, could effectively glue it down, but I would prefer to have a
tightenable fixing. I'm thinking of long bolts etc.
Simon.

sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote:

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.


What's the bath made of? If "plastic", is it framed in
timber under the rim?

sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote:

>> Shape the batten so the rim of the bath hooks over it rather than
>> just resting on top, then lag it with silicone sealant before
>> fitting the bath.  Fill the bath before the sealant goes off so
>> there's a good contact between bath and batten.
>
> Yep, could effectively glue it down, but I would prefer to have a
> tightenable fixing. I'm thinking of long bolts etc.
> Simon.


__________________
[    o                        o    ]  <-----edge of bath rim against the
wall.
      ^-----------------------------Holes at both ends of bath rim so that
two bolts on baton protrude when bath fixed into place.

You would be able to get at both of ends of bath, as for middle not
possible.

> What's the bath made of? If "plastic", is it framed in
> timber under the rim?

Yep, its wood under the rim, although a little spindley in places.
I could be screwed into.
Simon.

Whoops, "It" could be treated in said manner.
Also, fibreglass bath with wood inside the rim.
Simon.

sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote:

>>What's the bath made of? If "plastic", is it framed in
>>timber under the rim?
> 
> Yep, its wood under the rim, although a little spindley in places.
> I could be screwed into.


One way would be to use hinges, 'though that's a bit whackey.

You could use screw plates let into the batten, and round-headed
screws in the rim-supporting timber.

> One way would be to use hinges, 'though that's a bit whackey

Now that, *is* a clever idea. I would have to ensure the bath could be
swung into position
from such a weird angle though. I have an image of the whole bath on a
hydraulic strut ...
But this idea would be sort of self-locking.
A variation would be a fixings that engage by sliding the bath sideways
a small distance.
A very useful train of thought, cheers Chris.
Simon.

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc.


I'd just rest it on there. It won't be going anywhere. Adjust the feet so
that a very small load is taken by the batten. You don't want too much, or
it could crack the bath if it is not designed to be supported in that
manner.

Christian.

sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote:

> A variation would be a fixings that engage by sliding the bath sideways
> a small distance.


That's what I meant by screw plates - a small (oblong) piece of
metal with a keyhole-shaped hole in it.

In article , 
sm_jamieson@hotmail.com says...

> Whoops, "It" could be treated in said manner.
> Also, fibreglass bath with wood inside the rim.


I know you said you don't want metal brackets, but you could do it by 
fixing a thin strip of angle steel to the timber on the bath, with the 
flange projecting above the edge of the bath, then screw that onto the 
wall and tile over.  Or similarly but using 12mm ply instead of steel, 
remove the plasterboard from that bit of wall and screw onto the studs.

After serious thinking sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote :

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
> Any clever ideas ?
> TIA,
> Simon.


Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath is 
drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical slots 
for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws 
sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then 
temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the 
batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.



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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
[snip]

>
> Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath
> is drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical
> slots for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws
> sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then
> temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the
> batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.


Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
What fixings?

ben wrote:

> Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>>Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath
>>is drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical
>>slots for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws
>>sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then
>>temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the
>>batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> 
> 
> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
> What fixings?
> 
> 


Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base, how 
is the rim likely to move?

Stuart Noble wrote:

> ben wrote:
>> Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath
>>> is drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical
>>> slots for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws
>>> sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down,
>>> then temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing
>>> the batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more
>>> fixings.
>>
>>
>> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
>> What fixings?
>>
>>
>
> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base,
> how is the rim likely to move?


Maybe he's a big fellow. ;-)

ben was thinking very hard :

> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
> What fixings?


Screws and plugs or expanding anchors.

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In article <fs_Te.104916$G8.11666@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
allo@h.co.uk says...

> Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath
> > is drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical
> > slots for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws
> > sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then
> > temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the
> > batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> 
> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
> What fixings?
> 

The screws that hold the batten to the wall.

In article <OW_Te.1402$Q%2.493@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, 
stuart_nobleNOSPAM@ntlworld.com says...

> ben wrote:
> > Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> >>Cut the top of the batten at an angle, such that the lip of the bath
> >>is drawn against the wall as it is lowered. To fix it, cut vertical
> >>slots for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws
> >>sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then
> >>temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the
> >>batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> > 
> > 
> > Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
> > What fixings?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base, how 
> is the rim likely to move?
> 

Flex in the bath itself, flex of the floor relative to the wall ...

Stuart Noble wrote:


> If the bath is rigid at the base, how is the rim likely to move?


It's plastic. It will move. If it wae pressed steel, it would
still move. If it was cast iron, it would still move, but not
by much.

In article ,
	sm_jamieson@hotmail.com writes:

> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
> Any clever ideas ?


Having had a bit of dry rot under the bath (not serious fortunately),
I was somewhat paranoid about having any further timber in that area.
So I glued the edge of the bath to the plaster with silicone sealant,
which also forms a waterproof barrier against water running down the
gap. I have then tiled down to the edge of the bath and the join
between bath and tiles is grouted without any sign of cracking due
to movement, although this is a pressed steel bath on a concrete
floor. Even if this grout line did crack, the silicone would still
stop water leaking through. The only snag is that the bath cannot
easily be removed (would probably need a cheesewire to cut through
the sealant after removing bottom row of tiles to get access to it).

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

Stuart Noble explained on 08/09/2005 :

> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base, how is 
> the rim likely to move?


They do all move to some extent due to deflection due to the weight. 
Especially on a wooden floor and even more so plastic baths. That is 
why you fill them, to put the sealant round, so the deflection is at 
maximum.

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        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
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> After serious thinking sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote :
>> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
>> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
>> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
>> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
>> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
>> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
>> Any clever ideas ?
>> TIA,
>> Simon.
> 

> vertical slots 
> for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws 
> sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then 
> temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the 
> batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> 
> 
> 


DISGUSTING!


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> Stuart Noble explained on 08/09/2005 :
>> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base,
>> how is the rim likely to move?
> 
> They do all move to some extent due to deflection due to the weight. 
> Especially on a wooden floor and even more so plastic baths. That is 
> why you fill them, to put the sealant round, so the deflection is at 
> maximum.
> 


Yeah.

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> ben was thinking very hard :
>> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
>> What fixings?
> 
> Screws and plugs or expanding anchors.
> 


Filthy beast!

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> After serious thinking sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote :
>> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
>> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
>> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
>> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
>> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
>> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
>> Any clever ideas ?
>> TIA,
>> Simon.
> 

> vertical slots 
> for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws 
> sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then 
> temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the 
> batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> 
> 
> 


DISGUSTING!


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> Stuart Noble explained on 08/09/2005 :
>> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base,
>> how is the rim likely to move?
> 
> They do all move to some extent due to deflection due to the weight. 
> Especially on a wooden floor and even more so plastic baths. That is 
> why you fill them, to put the sealant round, so the deflection is at 
> maximum.
> 


Yeah.

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> ben was thinking very hard :
>> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
>> What fixings?
> 
> Screws and plugs or expanding anchors.
> 


Filthy beast!

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> After serious thinking sm_jamieson@hotmail.com wrote :
>> My bath rim will be supported on a wooden batten fixed to the wall, to
>> avoid movement of the tile/bath seal etc. I want to come up with a way
>> of fixing the rim to the batten from below (i.e. under the bath), but
>> of course the body of the bath is in the way, so you cannot see or
>> access the area to screw / bolt etc. I don't want to fix the bath to
>> the wall using metal brackets, it has to be hard down to the batten.
>> Any clever ideas ?
>> TIA,
>> Simon.
> 

> vertical slots 
> for the fixings and use screws plus washers. Leave the screws 
> sufficiently loose that the weight of the bath can push it down, then 
> temporarily fit the bath in place. Remove without disturbing the 
> batten, then fully tighten the screws and perhaps add more fixings.
> 
> 
> 


DISGUSTING!


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> Stuart Noble explained on 08/09/2005 :
>> Can't get the hang of this at all. If the bath is rigid at the base,
>> how is the rim likely to move?
> 
> They do all move to some extent due to deflection due to the weight. 
> Especially on a wooden floor and even more so plastic baths. That is 
> why you fill them, to put the sealant round, so the deflection is at 
> maximum.
> 


Yeah.

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> ben was thinking very hard :
>> Ain't got a clue what your getting at?
>> What fixings?
> 
> Screws and plugs or expanding anchors.
> 


Filthy beast!

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