Since doing my rear bushes I've got a rep as Rover rear bush expert.

Mate with 414's asked me what heppens if his completely collapse. (the
were an advisory on his MOT 6 months ago so presumably are pretty bad.)

So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere imbetween?

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


> Since doing my rear bushes I've got a rep as Rover rear bush expert.
> 
> Mate with 414's asked me what heppens if his completely collapse. (the
> were an advisory on his MOT 6 months ago so presumably are pretty bad.)
> 
> So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
> dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere imbetween?


Excuse me? Dodgy handling "until the next MOT"?

WTF?

The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at once a 
year, ffs.

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they

> Excuse me? Dodgy handling "until the next MOT"?
>
> WTF?
>
> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at once a
> year, ffs.


For you and I, maybe!

Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around underneath
every time they change their oil.

In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


>> Excuse me? Dodgy handling "until the next MOT"?
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at
>> once a year, ffs.

> For you and I, maybe!
> 
> Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around underneath
> every time they change their oil.
> 
> In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!


And this is good?

FFS, the guy was WARNED that the bushes were fucked last year. Now he's 
going "But what's going to happen if I leave them another six months until 
I have to do them for the car to pass the MOT?"

In other words, he knows and recognises that the car will be unroadworthy 
without doing them, but isn't going to do them until he has to.

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>  were saying :
>
> >> Excuse me? Dodgy handling "until the next MOT"?
> >>
> >> WTF?
> >>
> >> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at
> >> once a year, ffs.
>
> > For you and I, maybe!
> >
> > Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around underneath
> > every time they change their oil.
> >
> > In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!
>
> And this is good?


Now I'm lost. Why would you think it was good?


> FFS, the guy was WARNED that the bushes were fucked last year. Now he's
> going "But what's going to happen if I leave them another six months until
> I have to do them for the car to pass the MOT?"
>
> In other words, he knows and recognises that the car will be unroadworthy
> without doing them, but isn't going to do them until he has to.


Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
And I don't know.
So I'm asking here. 
Sorry, I should have made my first post clearer.

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


>> >> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at
>> >> once a year, ffs.

>> > For you and I, maybe!
>> >
>> > Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around
>> > underneath every time they change their oil.
>> >
>> > In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!

>> And this is good?

> Now I'm lost. Why would you think it was good?


<puzzled>
So why use it to excuse his attitude?


>> FFS, the guy was WARNED that the bushes were fucked last year. Now
>> he's going "But what's going to happen if I leave them another six
>> months until I have to do them for the car to pass the MOT?"
>>
>> In other words, he knows and recognises that the car will be
>> unroadworthy without doing them, but isn't going to do them until he
>> has to. 

> Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.


"It doesn't matter. They're fucked, they need doing. Do them now. You 
should have done them 6 months ago. Just fucking do them."


> And I don't know.


It'll eat rear tyres, the handling will be all over the shop. If he has to 
brake or swerve rapidly, he'll probably lose it and stuff it.


> So I'm asking here. 
> Sorry, I should have made my first post clearer.


No, it was clear enough. He's looking for an excuse to put off making his 
car roadworthy, and you want to help him out.

Help everybody out by telling him to just do it.

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>  were saying :
>
> >> >> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at
> >> >> once a year, ffs.
>
> >> > For you and I, maybe!
> >> >
> >> > Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around
> >> > underneath every time they change their oil.
> >> >
> >> > In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!
>
> >> And this is good?
>
> > Now I'm lost. Why would you think it was good?
>
> <puzzled>
> So why use it to excuse his attitude?

Explain?

> > Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
>
> "It doesn't matter. They're fucked, they need doing. Do them now. You
> should have done them 6 months ago. Just fucking do them."


a) It doesn't answer his question and b) he might find that wording a
*little* confrontational?


> It'll eat rear tyres, the handling will be all over the shop. If he has to
> brake or swerve rapidly, he'll probably lose it and stuff it.


Question answered. I'll tell him that.


> No, it was clear enough.


So why did you spend four f**king posts trying to work it out?


> He's looking for an excuse to put off making his
> car roadworthy, and you want to help him out.


Hey I'm nothing to do with this! I'm passing on *your* two line
explanation of the consequences of his bushes being totally knackered
to him. I'll probably send him a link to this thread too. No more.

danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 7 Sep 2005 00:56:27 -0700:

> Adrian wrote:
>> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> 
>> Excuse me? Dodgy handling "until the next MOT"?
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> The MOT is a MINIMUM standard - not a bloody target to be aimed at once a
>> year, ffs.
> 
> For you and I, maybe!
> 
> Try asking a few female friends if they have a look around underneath
> every time they change their oil.
> 
> In fact, ask a few female friends when they last changed their oil!


Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.

If "For you and I" the MOT is a minimum standard, tell them that.

-- 
David Taylor

danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 7 Sep 2005 03:59:46 -0700:

> Adrian wrote:
>> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>>  were saying :
> 
>>> Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
>>
>> "It doesn't matter. They're fucked, they need doing. Do them now. You
>> should have done them 6 months ago. Just fucking do them."
> 
> a) It doesn't answer his question and


His question is stupid.


> b) he might find that wording a *little* confrontational?


So reword it. 


>> It'll eat rear tyres, the handling will be all over the shop. If he has to
>> brake or swerve rapidly, he'll probably lose it and stuff it.
> 
> Question answered. I'll tell him that.


Why not also mention the fact that the MOT is not something to be
aimed at every year, but also a legal minimum for your car to
be on the road?

Or just wait for him to die.
 

>> No, it was clear enough.
> 
> So why did you spend four f**king posts trying to work it out?


I think it was fairly obvious from the first post.  The four f**cking
posts were trying to get YOU to work out that what you were asking
was stupid.  It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!

(Emmissions test excluded, for the sole reason that it's not
 for safety, it's for environment-friendliness 
 

>> He's looking for an excuse to put off making his
>> car roadworthy, and you want to help him out.
> 
> Hey I'm nothing to do with this!


Yes you are.  Either you answered him with something of the lines
of "it doesn't matter, it needs fixed" (possibly with an additional
explanation of what WOULD happen), or you are attempting to help him
excuse keeping him unroadworthy car on the road.

-- 
David Taylor

David Taylor wrote:


> > Question answered. I'll tell him that.
>
> Why not also mention the fact that the MOT is not something to be
> aimed at every year, but also a legal minimum for your car to
> be on the road?


Look, I'm not the f**king Putney car maintainance police. I've given
him his answer and a link to this thread. My involvement over.


> I think it was fairly obvious from the first post.  The four f**cking
> posts were trying to get YOU to work out that what you were asking
> was stupid.  It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
> on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
> for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!


Ok, are you saying I am responsible for *every* car in the uk or just
this guy's?


> Yes you are.  Either you answered him with something of the lines
> of "it doesn't matter, it needs fixed" (possibly with an additional
> explanation of what WOULD happen), or you are attempting to help him
> excuse keeping him unroadworthy car on the road.


I gave him the relevant two lines from Adrian's post and a link to this
thread. So, yeah by your definition, I am "attempting to help him
excuse keeping him unroadworthy car on the road".

David Taylor wrote:


> It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
> on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
> for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!


Windscreen washers? Readable Vin numbers? Registration Plates? Number
plate lights?

If the consequence of a failure doesn't matter then you're saying that
the above are as important as an unsafe fuel line or a leaking master
cyclinder. God help you if you ever see a car with mud on a VIN plate
and leaking fuel line! You'd burn to death as you polished up the VIN
number!!!!

The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!

In article ,  
says...

> Since doing my rear bushes I've got a rep as Rover rear bush expert.
> 

No you haven't....



> So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
> dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere imbetween?
> 

Dodgy? Well if you're happy driving down the road with a wheel randomly 
flapping from side to side then OK. But I'm sure the first time a 
police car ends up behind your mate, he'll be in no doubt as to what 
the officer thinks.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...


> Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
> And I don't know.


And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...


> Hey I'm nothing to do with this! I'm passing on *your* two line
> explanation of the consequences of his bushes being totally knackered
> to him. I'll probably send him a link to this thread too. No more.
> 

Please do. THen we can all tell him what a selfish cunt he is and what 
a clueless fuckwit you are.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...


> The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> 

Tell that to someone with their windscreen covered in shite after 
following a lorry/tractor.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
>
> > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> >
> Tell that to someone with their windscreen covered in shite after
> following a lorry/tractor.


So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
level! Interesting view!

David Taylor wrote:


> Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.


I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.

Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
>
> > Hey I'm nothing to do with this! I'm passing on *your* two line
> > explanation of the consequences of his bushes being totally knackered
> > to him. I'll probably send him a link to this thread too. No more.
> >
> Please do. THen we can all tell him what a selfish cunt he is and what
> a clueless fuckwit you are.


LOL. Guilty. Asking a mindless wanker like you for advice was pretty
clueless!

Conor wrote:


> In article ,
> says...
>
> > Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
> > And I don't know.
>
> And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?


I'm asking a **question** about rear bushes. [1] Why the fuck would I
need to do that if I was an expert on them!!!!



[1] ....and I'm asking it somewhere where nobody knows the answer!

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


> Ok, are you saying I am responsible for *every* car in the uk or just
> this guy's?


He's asked you for advice. Not fixing it should not be an option - so you 
have a moral responsibility, to my mind, to tell him EXACTLY that.


> So, yeah by your definition, I am "attempting to help him
> excuse keeping him unroadworthy car on the road".


You're happy sharing the road with cars that are unroadworthy?

In article ,  
says...

> Conor wrote:
> > In article ,
> > says...
> >
> > > Hey I'm nothing to do with this! I'm passing on *your* two line
> > > explanation of the consequences of his bushes being totally knackered
> > > to him. I'll probably send him a link to this thread too. No more.
> > >
> > Please do. THen we can all tell him what a selfish cunt he is and what
> > a clueless fuckwit you are.
> 
> LOL. Guilty. Asking a mindless wanker like you for advice was pretty
> clueless!
> 

ROFL...I don't drive a car around with knackered bushes.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...

> Conor wrote:
> > In article ,
> > says...
> >
> > > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> > >
> > Tell that to someone with their windscreen covered in shite after
> > following a lorry/tractor.
> 
> So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
> level! Interesting view!
> 

No, equally as important.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...

> David Taylor wrote:
> 
> > Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.
> 
> I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.
> 

Bit stupid asking you then.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
> > Conor wrote:
> > > In article ,
> > > says...
> > >
> > > > Hey I'm nothing to do with this! I'm passing on *your* two line
> > > > explanation of the consequences of his bushes being totally knackered
> > > > to him. I'll probably send him a link to this thread too. No more.
> > > >
> > > Please do. THen we can all tell him what a selfish cunt he is and what
> > > a clueless fuckwit you are.
> >
> > LOL. Guilty. Asking a mindless wanker like you for advice was pretty
> > clueless!
> >
> ROFL...I don't drive a car around with knackered bushes.


I can't believe I'm joining in a 'who's got the biggest dick'
competition, with a moron, over bushes but mine are a mere 1 month old.

Conor wrote:


> In article ,
> says...
> > David Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.
> >
> > I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.
> >
> Bit stupid asking you then.


I suspect if he'd known the best information source I had was to ask
fuckwits like you, he wouldn't have.

Conor wrote:


> In article ,
> says...
> > Conor wrote:
> > > In article ,
> > > says...
> > >
> > > > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > > > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> > > >
> > > Tell that to someone with their windscreen covered in shite after
> > > following a lorry/tractor.
> >
> > So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
> > level! Interesting view!
> > 
> No, equally as important.


Fuckwit.

wrote in message
news:1126095136.291527.6610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> David Taylor wrote:
>
> > It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
> > on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
> > for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!
>
> Windscreen washers? Readable Vin numbers? Registration Plates? Number
> plate lights?
>
> If the consequence of a failure doesn't matter then you're saying that
> the above are as important as an unsafe fuel line or a leaking master
> cyclinder. God help you if you ever see a car with mud on a VIN plate
> and leaking fuel line! You'd burn to death as you polished up the VIN
> number!!!!
>
> The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
>



Of course if you want a more reasonable, less rabid answer to your original
question, here it is -

*
Mate with 414's asked me what happens if his completely collapse. (the
were an advisory on his MOT 6 months ago so presumably are pretty bad.)

So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere In between?
*
That isn't going to happen. If they were an advisory on his test, that means
there's a tiny amount of wear, or possibly age cracking etc.

Before they fall right apart, to use your own term, they would have to be
absolutely trashed. Before they were totally trashed they would have already
failed one if not several mot tests. Your friend would also have dreadful
knocking/banging noises that he wouldn't be able to ignore. There would also
be the poor handling/abnormal tyre wear which others have mentioned.

But these things are designed so that they don't fall right apart until
things are really excessive. Otherwise they'd be flying apart, causing
accidents, getting the manufacturers sued etc.

If there was any danger, he wouldn't have got an advise, it would have
failed. On a scale of knackeredness, an advise comes as soon as any play or
wear is noticeable. An mot fail comes a long way before the other symptoms
mentioned, which in turn come a long time before total failure. So tell him
not to panic.

Having said that though, the best course of action would be to get the
bushes changed.

Steve

shazzbat wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1126095136.291527.6610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > David Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
> > > on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
> > > for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!
> >
> > Windscreen washers? Readable Vin numbers? Registration Plates? Number
> > plate lights?
> >
> > If the consequence of a failure doesn't matter then you're saying that
> > the above are as important as an unsafe fuel line or a leaking master
> > cyclinder. God help you if you ever see a car with mud on a VIN plate
> > and leaking fuel line! You'd burn to death as you polished up the VIN
> > number!!!!
> >
> > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> >
>
>
> Of course if you want a more reasonable, less rabid answer to your original
> question, here it is -
>
> *
> Mate with 414's asked me what happens if his completely collapse. (the
> were an advisory on his MOT 6 months ago so presumably are pretty bad.)
>
> So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
> dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere In between?
> *
> That isn't going to happen. If they were an advisory on his test, that means
> there's a tiny amount of wear, or possibly age cracking etc.
>
> Before they fall right apart, to use your own term, they would have to be
> absolutely trashed. Before they were totally trashed they would have already
> failed one if not several mot tests. Your friend would also have dreadful
> knocking/banging noises that he wouldn't be able to ignore. There would also
> be the poor handling/abnormal tyre wear which others have mentioned.
>
> But these things are designed so that they don't fall right apart until
> things are really excessive. Otherwise they'd be flying apart, causing
> accidents, getting the manufacturers sued etc.
>
> If there was any danger, he wouldn't have got an advise, it would have
> failed. On a scale of knackeredness, an advise comes as soon as any play or
> wear is noticeable. An mot fail comes a long way before the other symptoms
> mentioned, which in turn come a long time before total failure. So tell him
> not to panic.
>
> Having said that though, the best course of action would be to get the
> bushes changed.


Many thanks, Steve. That's exactly the sort of reasoned response I was
looking for. Just gave him a bell and read it to him verbatum.

Since the next MOT is only 6 months away and he's sure he's gonna keep
the car he'd pretty much already decided to get it booked in soon but
he's driving down to Cornwall this weekend and wanted to be sure it
didn't have to go in *immediately*.

Many thanks!

Hope you don't mind if I stay around to tease the pond life, a bit!!!

wrote in message
news:1126102086.398394.266900@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> shazzbat wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> > news:1126095136.291527.6610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > David Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > It doesn't matter WHAT goes wrong if it fails, if it's
> > > > on the rather short list of things poked on an MOT, its required
> > > > for the legal MINIMUM level of safety -- fix it!
> > >
> > > Windscreen washers? Readable Vin numbers? Registration Plates? Number
> > > plate lights?
> > >
> > > If the consequence of a failure doesn't matter then you're saying that
> > > the above are as important as an unsafe fuel line or a leaking master
> > > cyclinder. God help you if you ever see a car with mud on a VIN plate
> > > and leaking fuel line! You'd burn to death as you polished up the VIN
> > > number!!!!
> > >
> > > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> > >
> >
> >
> > Of course if you want a more reasonable, less rabid answer to your
original
> > question, here it is -
> >
> > *
> > Mate with 414's asked me what happens if his completely collapse. (the
> > were an advisory on his MOT 6 months ago so presumably are pretty bad.)
> >
> > So what happens if they finally fall right apart? Trip to the morgue or
> > dodgy handling 'till the next MOT or somewhere In between?
> > *
> > That isn't going to happen. If they were an advisory on his test, that
means
> > there's a tiny amount of wear, or possibly age cracking etc.
> >
> > Before they fall right apart, to use your own term, they would have to
be
> > absolutely trashed. Before they were totally trashed they would have
already
> > failed one if not several mot tests. Your friend would also have
dreadful
> > knocking/banging noises that he wouldn't be able to ignore. There would
also
> > be the poor handling/abnormal tyre wear which others have mentioned.
> >
> > But these things are designed so that they don't fall right apart until
> > things are really excessive. Otherwise they'd be flying apart, causing
> > accidents, getting the manufacturers sued etc.
> >
> > If there was any danger, he wouldn't have got an advise, it would have
> > failed. On a scale of knackeredness, an advise comes as soon as any play
or
> > wear is noticeable. An mot fail comes a long way before the other
symptoms
> > mentioned, which in turn come a long time before total failure. So tell
him
> > not to panic.
> >
> > Having said that though, the best course of action would be to get the
> > bushes changed.
>
> Many thanks, Steve. That's exactly the sort of reasoned response I was
> looking for. Just gave him a bell and read it to him verbatum.
>
> Since the next MOT is only 6 months away and he's sure he's gonna keep
> the car he'd pretty much already decided to get it booked in soon but
> he's driving down to Cornwall this weekend and wanted to be sure it
> didn't have to go in *immediately*.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Hope you don't mind if I stay around to tease the pond life, a bit!!!
>


Someone should. Mind out for the randomly flapping wheels though, dangerous
they are :-))

Steve

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> > Ok, are you saying I am responsible for *every* car in the uk or just
> > this guy's?
>
> He's asked you for advice. Not fixing it should not be an option - so you
> have a moral responsibility, to my mind, to tell him EXACTLY that.


But no moral responsibility to explain the consequences which surely
would spur him on to rectify the problem even faster! (Unless they are
as mild as an empty washer bottle as suggested elsewhere!!!!)


> You're happy sharing the road with cars that are unroadworthy?


Dunno, is your's out today?

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:41:21 +0100,  wrote:


> Conor wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> says...
>>
>> > Yup. And he's just asked me what happens if they fail big style.
>> > And I don't know.
>>
>> And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?
>
> I'm asking a **question** about rear bushes. [1] Why the fuck would I
> need to do that if I was an expert on them!!!!
>
>
>
> [1] ....and I'm asking it somewhere where nobody knows the answer!
>



The wheel ceases to be square to the car so if you're really unlucky it  
can oversteer quite dramatically at speeds you wouldn't expect it to.

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


>> > Ok, are you saying I am responsible for *every* car in the uk or
>> > just this guy's?

>> He's asked you for advice. Not fixing it should not be an option - so
>> you have a moral responsibility, to my mind, to tell him EXACTLY
>> that. 

> But no moral responsibility to explain the consequences which surely
> would spur him on to rectify the problem even faster! 


Look, Danny, it's fairly simple.

You claim you've changed suspension bushes, right?

Surely it's not that bit a step for you to think about what the bushes do, 
and what excessive play will allow to happen, and how that could affect the 
behaviour of the car just when you most need it to do what you think it's 
going to?

So why the fuck are you even asking?
Because you can't be bothered to think for yourself?


> (Unless they are as mild as an empty washer bottle as suggested 
> elsewhere!!!!)


You've obviously never done a long journey on a grotty day with washers 
AWOL, else you'd realise exactly WHY washers are absolutely safety-
critical.


>> You're happy sharing the road with cars that are unroadworthy?

> Dunno, is your's out today?


Oooh, your wit is SOOO cutting.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d88f98381c02ae098ab0c@news.individual.net...

> And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?


Read it again Conor, misquoting someone makes more sense when anyone can't 
just click on their posts and read it for themselves....

> > > So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
> > > level! Interesting view!
> > >
> > No, equally as important.
>
> Fuckwit.


I find myself agreeing with Conor here. I had my washers fail on the
motorway once, during the dirty season. I had to choose between pulling over
(very scary) or trundling 2 miles to Fleet services (also scary).

Failed washers are a serious safety risk.

Christian.

Christian McArdle wrote:

> > > > So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
> > > > level! Interesting view!
> > > >
> > > No, equally as important.
> >
> > Fuckwit.
>
> I find myself agreeing with Conor here. I had my washers fail on the
> motorway once, during the dirty season. I had to choose between pulling over
> (very scary) or trundling 2 miles to Fleet services (also scary).
>
> Failed washers are a serious safety risk.


I can see what you're saying (and even what Conor is saying in his
rather ignorant and ill considered way).

However, after two miles you could fill up again and carry on. Unless
you had a press with you I doubt you could bung two bushes into a 414
in fleet services!!!

Tony Bond (UncleFista) wrote:

> "Conor"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d88f98381c02ae098ab0c@news.individual.net...
> > And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?
>
> Read it again Conor, misquoting someone makes more sense when anyone can't
> just click on their posts and read it for themselves....


LOL! Bless him. I don't think it's a deliberate misquote - poor old
Conor is just a little hard of thinking...

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>  were saying :

> > (Unless they are as mild as an empty washer bottle as suggested
> > elsewhere!!!!)
>
> You've obviously never done a long journey on a grotty day with washers
> AWOL, else you'd realise exactly WHY washers are absolutely safety-
> critical.


You could try stopping at a Garage to top it up! I've always wondered
who it was Ford were thinking of when they put a yellow cap on the
windscreen washer bottle to let you know where to fill it!


> >> You're happy sharing the road with cars that are unroadworthy?
>
> > Dunno, is your's out today?
>
> Oooh, your wit is SOOO cutting.


No, it just seems that way to you because you're a halfwit!

> However, after two miles you could fill up again and carry on. Unless
> you had a press with you I doubt you could bung two bushes into a 414
> in fleet services!!!


Actually, I couldn't fix it at the services as it was a bust motor, although
I felt a lot happier there than I would have done on the hard shoulder,
which is a terrible place to be.

Christian.

Christian McArdle wrote:

> > However, after two miles you could fill up again and carry on. Unless
> > you had a press with you I doubt you could bung two bushes into a 414
> > in fleet services!!!
>
> Actually, I couldn't fix it at the services as it was a bust motor,


Ahhhh. I was careful to say 'washer bottle level'.

In article ,  
says...

> Conor wrote:
> 
> > In article ,
> > says...
> > > Conor wrote:
> > > > In article ,
> > > > says...
> > > >
> > > > > The consequences *are* important. I suspect ******'s bushes are more
> > > > > important than an empty windscreen washer bottle!
> > > > >
> > > > Tell that to someone with their windscreen covered in shite after
> > > > following a lorry/tractor.
> > >
> > > So you're saying his bushes are less important than his washer bottle
> > > level! Interesting view!
> > > 
> > No, equally as important.
> 
> Fuckwit.
> 

Lets put it this way...

A traffic officer can pull you over and ask you to show the windscreen 
washers in operation. If they're not, he can issue a pink slip or get 
out VOSA. A VOSA inspector can deem the vehicle unroadworthy on the 
spot and issue a GV9 then the only way its going anywhere is on the 
back of a recovery truck.

IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO HAVE WORKING WASHERS.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article ,  
says...


> However, after two miles you could fill up again and carry on. Unless
> you had a press with you I doubt you could bung two bushes into a 414
> in fleet services!!!
> 

Quite happy doing 2 miles completely blind?


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


>> > (Unless they are as mild as an empty washer bottle as suggested
>> > elsewhere!!!!)

>> You've obviously never done a long journey on a grotty day with washers
>> AWOL, else you'd realise exactly WHY washers are absolutely safety-
>> critical.

> You could try stopping at a Garage to top it up! I've always wondered
> who it was Ford were thinking of when they put a yellow cap on the
> windscreen washer bottle to let you know where to fill it!


And how would topping up a frozen solid bottle - which has plenty of 
additive in - help? What about a broken pump?


>> >> You're happy sharing the road with cars that are unroadworthy?

>> > Dunno, is your's out today?

>> Oooh, your wit is SOOO cutting.

> No, it just seems that way to you because you're a halfwit!


My god, I'm really jousting with an intellectual giant here. Move over 
Oscar Wilde.

In article ,  
says...


> You could try stopping at a Garage to top it up! I've always wondered
> who it was Ford were thinking of when they put a yellow cap on the
> windscreen washer bottle to let you know where to fill it!
> 

So that's roughly 15 miles on a motorway driving unable to see or even 
more in rural areas. 


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article <LRDTe.3080$fb.1500@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Tony Bond 
(UncleFista) says...

> 
> "Conor"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.1d88f98381c02ae098ab0c@news.individual.net...
> > And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?
> 
> Read it again Conor, 


Nope. He's the one harping on how he changed the bushes on HIS car. 
Obviously he didn't learn anything.



-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor (conor.turton@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


> IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO HAVE WORKING WASHERS.


Not always...

The long journey with AWOL washers didn't actually need to have wipers and 
washers fitted, as the windscreen was capable of opening.

Hpwever, since they were fitted, they had to work.

Which the washers didn't on one cold winter's day, heading from Derbyshire 
to London. Because the friggin' bottle had been moved by some genius (no, 
not me, Danny) to right inside the grille. Where it froze solid.

I've also had problems with nozzles freezing, as nowhere seems physically 
capable of stocking screenwash on the crappiest winter days.

Conor (conor.turton@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


>> You could try stopping at a Garage to top it up! I've always wondered
>> who it was Ford were thinking of when they put a yellow cap on the
>> windscreen washer bottle to let you know where to fill it!

> So that's roughly 15 miles on a motorway driving unable to see or even 
> more in rural areas. 


IF it's just a case of the bottle being empty. And IF the garage has water. 
Which many don't in winter, because the dispenser's frozen. And even if 
they do, they won't have any screenwash, so it'll just freeze.

Fucking ridiculous. It ought to be a requirement for every garage to supply 
free air and free water, and to have stocks of basics like screenwash and 
oil (without the ludicrous markup) at all times.

>> I find myself agreeing with Conor here. I had my washers fail on the
>> motorway once, during the dirty season. I had to choose between pulling 
>> over
>> (very scary) or trundling 2 miles to Fleet services (also scary).
>>
>> Failed washers are a serious safety risk.
>
> I can see what you're saying (and even what Conor is saying in his
> rather ignorant and ill considered way).
>
> However, after two miles you could fill up again and carry on. Unless
> you had a press with you I doubt you could bung two bushes into a 414
> in fleet services!!!


Probably not, but the barrier for the access road (for staff, and other 
people entitled to use it) at Fleet services is quite often open, so quite 
easy to get to a nearby garage in Fleet, Yateley or Hartley Wintney to get 
them to do it for you.  There's always a way.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Conor wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> says...
>>> David Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.
>>>
>>> I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.
>>>
>> Bit stupid asking you then.
>
> I suspect if he'd known the best information source I had was to ask
> fuckwits like you, he wouldn't have.


Tell you what, don't bother asking again...

PC Paul wrote:

> danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Conor wrote:
> >
> >> In article ,
> >> says...
> >>> David Taylor wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.
> >>>
> >>> I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.
> >>>
> >> Bit stupid asking you then.
> >
> > I suspect if he'd known the best information source I had was to ask
> > fuckwits like you, he wouldn't have.
>
> Tell you what, don't bother asking again...


Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones. Crap as a
percentage but the question got answered some time ago.

danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> PC Paul wrote:
>> danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Conor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> says...
>>>>> David Taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, someone has asked your opinion on something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think he was looking for facts, not opinion.
>>>>>
>>>> Bit stupid asking you then.
>>>
>>> I suspect if he'd known the best information source I had was to ask
>>> fuckwits like you, he wouldn't have.
>>
>> Tell you what, don't bother asking again...
>
> Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones. Crap as a
> percentage but the question got answered some time ago.


Most of the 'crap' ones have been trying to teach *you* what *you* should 
have known already, so next time you get asked you can explain it yourself.

None so daft as them what won't learn...

*If* you read this group much, you'll know that people rarely get 'just' the 
answer to their question.

(Especially if it's a 'was this my fault' one where they think the answer is 
no...)

>> Tell you what, don't bother asking again...
>
> Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones. Crap as a
> percentage but the question got answered some time ago.


3 useful replies out of 48.  That's over 6%.  That's a superb result. 
Welcome to usenet.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

PC Paul wrote:


> Most of the 'crap' ones have been trying to teach *you* what *you* should
> have known already, so next time you get asked you can explain it yourself.


LOL! I suspect ukrcm has more to teach than 'if a garage say something
might need doing you should do it without finding out why'.


> None so daft as them what won't learn...


Learn that a dirty VIN plate is as serious as any other MOT issues????
Yep, failed to learn it.


> *If* you read this group much, you'll know that people rarely get 'just' the
> answer to their question.


I'm not complaining! I love winding up the pond life and the most
useful answer came fairly early on so the chap who needs to know found
out early. I'm 100 per cent satisfied with the response!

> I'm not complaining! I love winding up the pond life and the most
> useful answer came fairly early on so the chap who needs to know found
> out early. I'm 100 per cent satisfied with the response!


I like winding up pond life too.  I once had a toy spring-loaded wind-up 
frog.  Great fun it was.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

AstraVanMan wrote:

> >> Tell you what, don't bother asking again...
> >
> > Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones. Crap as a
> > percentage but the question got answered some time ago.
>
> 3 useful replies out of 48.  That's over 6%.  That's a superb result.
> Welcome to usenet.


I'm not complaining! It's been a good result! Mate's happy. I've
learned stuff.

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


> Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones.


No, there's been three you *like*.

(danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
 were saying : 


> Learn that a dirty VIN plate is as serious as any other MOT issues????


ITYF it's missing or forged VIN plates that are fairly serious. Dirty ones 
can quickly be wiped over to be read. Unless they're deliberately obscured 
to hide something.

<shrug>
I'm sure you won't mind when your car gets nicked, though.

Adrian wrote:

> (danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> > Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones.
>
> No, there's been three you *like*.


I like them because they answer my question. Almost all the others
coming from the same three people just repeated over and over that I'd
asked the wrong question. Which disguises the ignorance of the the
pondlife rather that answering the question!

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d892ccb4fb7e2e098ab2c@news.individual.net...

> In article <LRDTe.3080$fb.1500@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Tony Bond
> (UncleFista) says...
>>
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d88f98381c02ae098ab0c@news.individual.net...
>> > And you're telling us you're the expert on rear bushes?
>>
>> Read it again Conor,
>
> Nope. He's the one harping on how he changed the bushes on HIS car.
> Obviously he didn't learn anything.


Whether he's fixed bushes every day of his adult life, whether he's learned 
anything from it or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's NOT "telling 
us you're the expert on rear bushes".
He said (I felt in a "tongue in cheek" way) that he's fixed his own once, 
therefore he's now got the "reputation" of being an expert.

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
news:kiHTe.9897$vC4.7958@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...

>>> Tell you what, don't bother asking again...
>>
>> Out of 48 replies so far there have been 3 good ones. Crap as a
>> percentage but the question got answered some time ago.
>
> 3 useful replies out of 48.  That's over 6%.  That's a superb result. 
> Welcome to usenet.


Hehe, he wants to try asking how to modify a car in uk.rec.modifications ;)