Hi to all
My Work Friend has  taken in for a mot a Fiesta 1100 year is 1990
The Mot Station failed this car on excess Footbrake Travel< I cannot fault 
the travel as the pedal on Normal braking travels 1 inch as I have over 
ridden the Automatic rear Brake adjusters.

As you all know on a fiesta the servo/master cylinder is on the N/S so 
connected by a Brake rod across the car so with Mega Pressure on the 
footbrake you can press the pedal 3/4 down but this is
bending the Bulkhead/Brake Rod and I mean really pressing Hard.

I Used to be a MOT tester but finished in the trade 5yrs ago at that time as 
long as reserve travel
was on the pedal no reason to Fail.

I have tried the car on the road and the brakes lock the wheels when the 
pedal is 1/2 way.

When the engine is switched off and the servo emptied of vacum the pedal is 
rock Hard.
The Garage say the Brake Master Cylinder is at Fault  but I have no CREEP on 
the pedal at all

Has  anyone got a MOT manual to check to see what the fail criteria is on 
pedal travel

The Mot Station were so stupid as when checking the car bodywork used a 
metal screwdriver
sharp end to check the sills for corrosion which we all know is tottaly out 
of order but they managed to puncture the sill and desided to fail on 
this.*(I know when I mot'd cars that I would have been struck off for using 
a screwdriver for checking Corrosion) we had a small "T" Bar which you would 
use the plastic head and listen to the tone of the metal

I know I could appeal and win but would like your views on this I do 
appriate that without looking at the car it is difficult but I worked on 
Fords for 25 years

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> Hi to all
> My Work Friend has  taken in for a mot a Fiesta 1100 year is 1990
> The Mot Station failed this car on excess Footbrake Travel< I cannot fault
> the travel as the pedal on Normal braking travels 1 inch as I have over
> ridden the Automatic rear Brake adjusters.
>
> As you all know on a fiesta the servo/master cylinder is on the N/S so
> connected by a Brake rod across the car so with Mega Pressure on the
> footbrake you can press the pedal 3/4 down but this is
> bending the Bulkhead/Brake Rod and I mean really pressing Hard.
>
> I Used to be a MOT tester but finished in the trade 5yrs ago at that time
as
> long as reserve travel
> was on the pedal no reason to Fail.
>
> I have tried the car on the road and the brakes lock the wheels when the
> pedal is 1/2 way.
>
> When the engine is switched off and the servo emptied of vacum the pedal
is
> rock Hard.
> The Garage say the Brake Master Cylinder is at Fault  but I have no CREEP
on
> the pedal at all
>
> Has  anyone got a MOT manual to check to see what the fail criteria is on
> pedal travel
>
> The Mot Station were so stupid as when checking the car bodywork used a
> metal screwdriver
> sharp end to check the sills for corrosion which we all know is tottaly
out
> of order but they managed to puncture the sill and desided to fail on
> this.*(I know when I mot'd cars that I would have been struck off for
using
> a screwdriver for checking Corrosion) we had a small "T" Bar which you
would
> use the plastic head and listen to the tone of the metal
>
> I know I could appeal and win but would like your views on this I do
> appriate that without looking at the car it is difficult but I worked on
> Fords for 25 years
>


method of inspection 4. Depress the pedal fully & check the position of the
pad relative to the floor.

reason for rejection 4. When the pedal is fully depressed, there is not
enough reserve travel.

method of inspection 2. if a vacuum servo is fitted, then with the engine
off, totally deplete the stored vacuum by repeatedly applying the service
brake. fully apply the brake & hold at a constant pressure. note whether the
pedal can be felt to travel further when the engine is started.

reason for rejection 2. no dip can be felt when the engine is started,
indicating vacuum assistance is not working satisfactorily.

tut tut on using a screwdriver to asses corrosion.

A copy of the inspection manual is viewable online at:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm



Visit the MOT Forum:
http://motforum.proboards44.com

> method of inspection 2. if a vacuum servo is fitted, then with the engine
> off, totally deplete the stored vacuum by repeatedly applying the service
> brake. fully apply the brake & hold at a constant pressure. note whether 
> the
> pedal can be felt to travel further when the engine is started.
>

That's a good 'un. To prove the system on my Xantia the pedal should move 
down when the engine is started in those circumstances. Hydropneumatic 
system.
Old VW Passats and many Cavaliers had what some would consider to be 
excessive brake pedal travel. Nothing wrong with the brakes, but they didn't 
give a super secure feeling.
The VW characteristic was due to the servo being on the left with pedal 
pressure being applied by a cross bar from the right on rhd cars. Lost 
motion, backlash and a bit of twisting in the spindly thin crossbar.
Corrosion (there used to be a lot of it about) was tested with an air 
powered device with a bundle of needles that probed at the metal. Wasn't 
destructive-you could hold the palm of your hand against it.
Apart from all that, the biggest ripoff is the fail for emissions. Greeny 
nutters win and the government love it cause they can charge more taxes in 
the name of 'environment'.
Engines that will only run with the aid of computers because they can't 
breathe efficiently. Bugger!
DaveK.

A screwdriver to dig holes in your car!!!! sue them for criminal damage...
Simple, they are not allowed to DIG for weak points on the sills. I have
complained previously about this and received a full MOT refund, a new sill
fitted, an MOT cert and an APOLOGY for the inconvenience!! stick to your
guns and hold out mate!!
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