The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
National Rail's Live Departure Boards).

There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.

web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/

WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/

PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/


And "more lines [are] to follow in the next few months".

On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:


>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).


It's good that they've added the Met and Northern, which have low
frequencies on some of the outer branches. This will make the service
much more useful.

(Having said that, only the more central Met stations are available,
and in any case when you choose one it says "Information for the
Metropolitan line is currently unavailable", but hopefully this will
be fixed soon.)

Mizter T wrote:

> The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
> and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
> National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
> 
> There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
> 
> web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
> 
> WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/
> 
> PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/
> 


How exactly is a Seven Sisters train going to get to the Northbound 
platform of Blackhorse Road in 5 minutes' time?

-----------

Northbound - Platform 1 View pop up departure board

Destination 		Due in 	Location
Walthamstow Central 	3 mins  Between Seven Sisters and Finsbury Park
Seven Sisters 		5 mins	Finsbury Park Platform 2
Walthamstow Central 	10 mins	Between Highbury & Islington and King's Cross

Southbound - Platform 2 View pop up departure board

Destination 		Due in 			Location
Brixton 1 min  		Walthamstow Central 	Platform 2

Still nothing for the District Line, which hasn't even got the standard
dot matrix system in use on the Northern for perhaps 20 years. Bow
Road's new WB platform indicator board use smaller lettering, are less
centrally located on the platforms, illuminate the 'next train' message
later than its predecessor, and still doesn't give more than 2 minutes'
advance warning!!!! Useless!!!

Of course I mean still not got on many of the branches - if Bow Road -
Upminster can be considered a 'branch'.

In message <4DbTe.103332$G8.86446@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Orienteer 
 writes

>Something seriously wrong with the southbound Jubilee indications at
>Finchley Road: it displays northbound destinations!


And unless I'm misreading something on the WAP version (I don't have 
much previous experience with these boards) it's advertising Northbound 
departures from Stanmore!

-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Quote -  Feed updated on 6th of September 2005 at 09:57:06 - unquote

Yet its only 09:52:34 according to my radio controlled clock are they in the 
future?


All lines seem 4/5 min ahead of the correct time

purple pete wrote:

> Quote -  Feed updated on 6th of September 2005 at 09:57:06 - unquote
>
> Yet its only 09:52:34 according to my radio controlled clock are they in the
> future?
>
>
> All lines seem 4/5 min ahead of the correct time


Top of the northern line doesn't seem to work very well either..

On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:


>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>
>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>
>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/


And it's still bugged:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Teulada
-- 
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com
md@rossrail.com

"Bill Hayles"  wrote in message 
news:q59rh1tabnibkk5m9n6urs66qo8ocfgd2b@4ax.com...

> On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:
>
>>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>>
>>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>>
>>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
>
> And it's still bugged:


and it is 3 min's in front of Lancashire Standard Time.

KW

On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:


>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>
>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>
>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/


And it's still bugged:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Teulada
-- 
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com
md@rossrail.com

"Bill Hayles"  wrote in message 
news:q59rh1tabnibkk5m9n6urs66qo8ocfgd2b@4ax.com...

> On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:
>
>>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>>
>>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>>
>>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
>
> And it's still bugged:


and it is 3 min's in front of Lancashire Standard Time.

KW

Mizter T wrote:

> The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
> and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
> National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>
> There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>
> web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
>
> WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/
>
> PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/


All not very useful when you're underground ;-)

Bill Hayles wrote:

> On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:
> 
> 
>>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>>
>>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>>
>>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
> 
>And it's still bugged:
> 
>http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Teulada


Oh, c'mon, you can be more inventive than that:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Ann%20Widdecombe

Mizter T wrote:

> The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
> and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
> National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>
> There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>
> web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
>
> WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/
>
> PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/


All not very useful when you're underground ;-)

Bill Hayles wrote:

> On 5 Sep 2005 14:16:17 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:
> 
> 
>>The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
>>and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
>>National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
>>
>>There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
>>
>>web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
> 
>And it's still bugged:
> 
>http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Teulada


Oh, c'mon, you can be more inventive than that:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/victoria-station-view.asp?StationName=Ann%20Widdecombe

bowroaduk@yahoo.com wrote:

> Still nothing for the District Line, which hasn't even got the standard
> dot matrix system in use on the Northern for perhaps 20 years. Bow
> Road's new WB platform indicator board use smaller lettering, are less
> centrally located on the platforms, illuminate the 'next train' message
> later than its predecessor, and still doesn't give more than 2 minutes'
> advance warning!!!! Useless!!!


The lack of District line info is because there are only a small number
of inputs to the TrackerNet system which the site takes it's info from,
all on the Barons Court - Ravenscourt Pk area.

Good to see the Northern and Victoria system working, makes a change
from looking at the 'non-public' version of ETA and seeing almost every
train on the two lines running around as 477. Looks like the control
computer has finally been persuaded to work...

dwb wrote:

> Mizter T wrote:
> > The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
> > and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
> > National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
> >
> > There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
> >
> > web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
> >
> > WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/
> >
> > PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/
>
> All not very useful when you're underground ;-)


True. But very useful if you're out and about to go Underground, and
arguably more useful than checking said information on the screen of an
immovable computer via the web.

bowroaduk@yahoo.com wrote:

> Still nothing for the District Line, which hasn't even got the standard
> dot matrix system in use on the Northern for perhaps 20 years. Bow
> Road's new WB platform indicator board use smaller lettering, are less
> centrally located on the platforms, illuminate the 'next train' message
> later than its predecessor, and still doesn't give more than 2 minutes'
> advance warning!!!! Useless!!!


The lack of District line info is because there are only a small number
of inputs to the TrackerNet system which the site takes it's info from,
all on the Barons Court - Ravenscourt Pk area.

Good to see the Northern and Victoria system working, makes a change
from looking at the 'non-public' version of ETA and seeing almost every
train on the two lines running around as 477. Looks like the control
computer has finally been persuaded to work...

dwb wrote:

> Mizter T wrote:
> > The Bakerloo line is now joined by the Jubilee, Metropolitan, Northern
> > and Victoria lines in having 'live' ETA Boards (the Tube equivalent of
> > National Rail's Live Departure Boards).
> >
> > There's web, WAP and PDA versions available.
> >
> > web -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/eta/
> >
> > WAP -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/
> >
> > PDA -  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/
>
> All not very useful when you're underground ;-)


True. But very useful if you're out and about to go Underground, and
arguably more useful than checking said information on the screen of an
immovable computer via the web.

> All not very useful when you're underground ;-)


True, although it might be possible in the future to install screens
around the stations/platforms that will show other lines, either at the
same station, or perhaps even on the next stations with interchanges.
Perhaps touchscreen panels on the platform (like near the information
point) that let you select a station and view realtime train info and
service information/updates.

This could be great for finding out if you'll make the next change, and
at night when the trains aren't as frequent, you can instantly tell if
you're going to need to run or not!

In fact, the whole journey planner could be offered on and around
stations for tourists too - in multiple languages. Not as a replacement
to staff (I suspect this would potentially happen, sadly) but as a
valuable alternative of real benefit to all.

Jonathan

> All not very useful when you're underground ;-)


True, although it might be possible in the future to install screens
around the stations/platforms that will show other lines, either at the
same station, or perhaps even on the next stations with interchanges.
Perhaps touchscreen panels on the platform (like near the information
point) that let you select a station and view realtime train info and
service information/updates.

This could be great for finding out if you'll make the next change, and
at night when the trains aren't as frequent, you can instantly tell if
you're going to need to run or not!

In fact, the whole journey planner could be offered on and around
stations for tourists too - in multiple languages. Not as a replacement
to staff (I suspect this would potentially happen, sadly) but as a
valuable alternative of real benefit to all.

Jonathan

On 10 Sep 2005 15:55:30 -0700, j.morris@jmcomms.com wrote:


>In fact, the whole journey planner could be offered on and around
>stations for tourists too - in multiple languages. Not as a replacement
>to staff (I suspect this would potentially happen, sadly) but as a
>valuable alternative of real benefit to all.


Agreed.  Hamburg had GEOFOX (their rather slick planner) boxes in some
stations as early as 1999.  Most useful.

A WAP and/or SMS version of the planner would also be nice, if one
doesn't already exist - though admittedly this would be useless on
tunnel sections.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Neil Williams wrote:

> <snip>
> A WAP and/or SMS version of the planner would also be nice, if one
> doesn't already exist - though admittedly this would be useless on
> tunnel sections.


Both TfL and National Rail have had WAP sites for some time, and both
offer a WAP version of their journey planner whilst you can also get
access to National Rail's Live Departure Boards (LDB) on their WAP
site. The Tube's ETA Boards are also available as WAP pages (see the
original post in this thread).

I've particularly found the National Rail LDBs and very useful whilst
out and about, and the TfL Journey Planner has come in handy too.

Full URL's are below. However some users may find it easier to get to
these services through their networks WAP portal (e.g. through Orange
World, 02 Active, t-zones or Vodafone Live). Depending on how you're
charged for accessing WAP sites, it may be cheaper to do it this way as
well (as I think some networks won't charge you for accessing pages
through their portal).

-----

TfL WAP site
http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/

TfL Tube ETA Boards WAP version
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/

National Rail WAP site
http://wap.nationalrail.co.uk/

There's also an URL for a PDA version of the TfL site, though as I
don't have a PDA I've never used it.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/

-----

This webpage will give you an overview of TfL's services for mobile
users:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/mobile/

....and this page gives examples of the services offered (including an
SMS journey planner service):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/mobile/mobile.asp?cnt=examples

This National Rail webpage gives an overview of their mobile services:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/info_on_the_move/

On 10 Sep 2005 15:55:30 -0700, j.morris@jmcomms.com wrote:


>In fact, the whole journey planner could be offered on and around
>stations for tourists too - in multiple languages. Not as a replacement
>to staff (I suspect this would potentially happen, sadly) but as a
>valuable alternative of real benefit to all.


Agreed.  Hamburg had GEOFOX (their rather slick planner) boxes in some
stations as early as 1999.  Most useful.

A WAP and/or SMS version of the planner would also be nice, if one
doesn't already exist - though admittedly this would be useless on
tunnel sections.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Neil Williams wrote:

> <snip>
> A WAP and/or SMS version of the planner would also be nice, if one
> doesn't already exist - though admittedly this would be useless on
> tunnel sections.


Both TfL and National Rail have had WAP sites for some time, and both
offer a WAP version of their journey planner whilst you can also get
access to National Rail's Live Departure Boards (LDB) on their WAP
site. The Tube's ETA Boards are also available as WAP pages (see the
original post in this thread).

I've particularly found the National Rail LDBs and very useful whilst
out and about, and the TfL Journey Planner has come in handy too.

Full URL's are below. However some users may find it easier to get to
these services through their networks WAP portal (e.g. through Orange
World, 02 Active, t-zones or Vodafone Live). Depending on how you're
charged for accessing WAP sites, it may be cheaper to do it this way as
well (as I think some networks won't charge you for accessing pages
through their portal).

-----

TfL WAP site
http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/

TfL Tube ETA Boards WAP version
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/wap/eta/

National Rail WAP site
http://wap.nationalrail.co.uk/

There's also an URL for a PDA version of the TfL site, though as I
don't have a PDA I've never used it.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pda/

-----

This webpage will give you an overview of TfL's services for mobile
users:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/mobile/

....and this page gives examples of the services offered (including an
SMS journey planner service):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/mobile/mobile.asp?cnt=examples

This National Rail webpage gives an overview of their mobile services:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/info_on_the_move/