A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is lacking
power now, it has covered 70K,
he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed up.
He is unsure of the diagnostics.
Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
He is reluctant to pay out 600ukp for a new charger if it is something
simpler/cheaper that is the cause.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

>A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is lacking
> power now, it has covered 70K,
> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed 
> up.
> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?


They are if they're not treated properly.  Does he know how to properly look 
after a turbocharged car?


> He is reluctant to pay out 600ukp for a new charger if it is something
> simpler/cheaper that is the cause.
> Thanks in advance for any replies.


It might be something else, like a MAF sensor, or something else, not sure 
really - could be any number of things with modern electronically controlled 
commonrail injection systems and all that, but if he's neglected to properly 
look after the turbo, then it could well be that.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti 
says...

> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is lacking
> power now, it has covered 70K,
> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed up.
> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?


Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers 
instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to 
get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to 
circulate and cool the turbo.



-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:27:22 +0100, Avanti   
wrote:


> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is  
> lacking
> power now, it has covered 70K,
> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed  
> up.
> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
> He is reluctant to pay out 600ukp for a new charger if it is something
> simpler/cheaper that is the cause.
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
>


It might have, but it'd be really gutless without one.

"Avanti"  wrote in message
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> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is
lacking
> power now, it has covered 70K,
> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed
up.
> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
> He is reluctant to pay out 600ukp for a new charger if it is something
> simpler/cheaper that is the cause.
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>

if it has gone he'd be better off getting a recon unit, no help to you but
there's a company we use Turbo Dynamics, they recon the old unit at a far
better price then a new one would cost. see if you have a local " turbo
factor " they might be able to diagnose it before you start ripping things
of the vehicle.

"Conor"  wrote in message
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> In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
> says...
> > A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is
lacking
> > power now, it has covered 70K,
> > he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed
up.
> > He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> > Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
>
> Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
> instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to
> get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
> circulate and cool the turbo.


Oil circulates through the turbo bearings as soon as the engine starts. The
same as it does to all of the other moving parts in the engine.
Before switching off the engine should be allowed to idle until the turbo
housing and rotors cool, which can take as long as 2-3 minutes if the engine
has been driven hard.
The oil does keeps the turbo bearing temperature down, but does little to
cool the mass of the turbo itself. Most of that cooling comes from the cool
air on the intake side of the turbo, the radiator fan, and natural
radiation.
Switching off while the turbo is still very hot, burns the oil in the
bearings. It's the hard burnt crusty oil in the turbo bearings that causes
premature turbo failure.
Mike.

"Conor"  wrote in message
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> In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
> says...
> > A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is
lacking
> > power now, it has covered 70K,
> > he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed
up.
> > He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> > Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
>
> Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
> instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to
> get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
> circulate and cool the turbo.


I have a MK5 Golf turbo and had the MK4 prior to this, I have read the
handbooks front to back and neither mention about driving any differently
due to the turbo charger, my colleague is a mature sensible guy and he car
is serviced regularly , I doubt the car has been abused or thrashed .

"Conor"  wrote in message 
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> In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
> says...
>> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is 
>> lacking
>> power now, it has covered 70K,
>> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed 
>> up.
>> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
>> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
>
> Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
> instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to
> get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
> circulate and cool the turbo.



Have you read the handbook of a modern Peugeot HDI car then?

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


>>> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo

>>> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?

>> Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
>> instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil
>> to get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
>> circulate and cool the turbo.

> Have you read the handbook of a modern Peugeot HDI car then?


Is this an HDi?

Could be a 1.9 or 2.1.

In article <SS9Te.6433$2n6.115@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti 
says...


> I have a MK5 Golf turbo and had the MK4 prior to this, I have read the
> handbooks front to back and neither mention about driving any differently
> due to the turbo charger, my colleague is a mature sensible guy and he car
> is serviced regularly , I doubt the car has been abused or thrashed .
> 

Whether it has been abused or thrashed is irrelelvent. If the turbo has 
been spinning, that's enough.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article <qhaTe.3172$oq4.2687@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, DervMan says...

> "Conor"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.1d86a9a774f9744898aabe@news.individual.net...
> > In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
> > says...
> >> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is 
> >> lacking
> >> power now, it has covered 70K,
> >> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has packed 
> >> up.
> >> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
> >> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
> >
> > Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
> > instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to
> > get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
> > circulate and cool the turbo.
> 
> 
> Have you read the handbook of a modern Peugeot HDI car then?
> 
> 

Nope.

-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:23:43 +0100, Conor  wrote:


> In article <SS9Te.6433$2n6.115@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
> says...
>
>> I have a MK5 Golf turbo and had the MK4 prior to this, I have read the
>> handbooks front to back and neither mention about driving any  
>> differently
>> due to the turbo charger, my colleague is a mature sensible guy and he  
>> car
>> is serviced regularly , I doubt the car has been abused or thrashed .
>>
> Whether it has been abused or thrashed is irrelelvent. If the turbo has
> been spinning, that's enough.
>
>


Well if the turbo wasn't spinning then it would have been pretty pointless!

"Conor"  wrote in message 
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> In article <qhaTe.3172$oq4.2687@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, DervMan says...
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d86a9a774f9744898aabe@news.individual.net...
>> > In article <e60Te.366$k22.225@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Avanti
>> > says...
>> >> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo , he complains it is
>> >> lacking
>> >> power now, it has covered 70K,
>> >> he took into to a couple of garages who say the turbo charger has 
>> >> packed
>> >> up.
>> >> He is unsure of the diagnostics.
>> >> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
>> >
>> > Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
>> > instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil to
>> > get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
>> > circulate and cool the turbo.
>>
>>
>> Have you read the handbook of a modern Peugeot HDI car then?
>>
>>
> Nope.



Correct.

The instructions don't specify a warm up and cooling down period of this 
magnitude.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
>>>> A colleague at work has a Pug 406 diesel turbo
>
>>>> Are the turbos susceptible to packing up on modern cars?
>
>>> Yes. Especially as clueless owners don't follow the manufacturers
>>> instructions to run the engine for a minute before use to allow oil
>>> to get to the turbo and idle after for a minute after to allow oil to
>>> circulate and cool the turbo.
>
>> Have you read the handbook of a modern Peugeot HDI car then?
>
> Is this an HDi?


Yup, it...


> Could be a 1.9 or 2.1.


Too.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

>> I have a MK5 Golf turbo and had the MK4 prior to this, I have read the
>> handbooks front to back and neither mention about driving any differently
>> due to the turbo charger, my colleague is a mature sensible guy and he 
>> car
>> is serviced regularly , I doubt the car has been abused or thrashed .
>>
> Whether it has been abused or thrashed is irrelelvent. If the turbo has
> been spinning, that's enough.


Exactly.  Though I do partly blame the manufacturers for not properly 
informing people.  Cars are used by all sorts of people, not just car 
enthusiasts or people in the know, and they're not going to know about how 
to properly treat a turbocharged engine.  Manufacturers could save 
themselves on a hell of a lot of warranty claims.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

In article <CrlTe.1529$st1.597@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, AstraVanMan 
says...


> Exactly.  Though I do partly blame the manufacturers for not properly 
> informing people.  


I'd naturally assumed they did but Dervy put me right. They used to. On 
new trucks, until a driver rips it off, there's a sticker on the 
windscreen giving info about this.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
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> In article <CrlTe.1529$st1.597@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, AstraVanMan
> says...
>
>> Exactly.  Though I do partly blame the manufacturers for not properly
>> informing people.
>
> I'd naturally assumed they did but Dervy put me right. They used to. On
> new trucks, until a driver rips it off, there's a sticker on the
> windscreen giving info about this.



The Mondeo handbook simply said words to the effect of just make sure the 
donk is idling when you shut it down!  Erk!

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

In article <6bmTe.4335$Aa1.333@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, DervMan says...


> 
> The Mondeo handbook simply said words to the effect of just make sure the 
> donk is idling when you shut it down!  Erk!
> 

Hmmm. Could be some clever plot to get a bit more repair work in.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
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> In article <6bmTe.4335$Aa1.333@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, DervMan says...
>
>>
>> The Mondeo handbook simply said words to the effect of just make sure the
>> donk is idling when you shut it down!  Erk!
>>
> Hmmm. Could be some clever plot to get a bit more repair work in.



I doubt it.  Turbochargers on the older generation Mondeo were hard to kill.

Indeed, modern turbodiesel turbochargers are hard to kill full stop, I guess 
oil quality has improved.

Not impossible mind you.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

well, my trusty old 405 GRDT has 183000 on the clock, serviced every 4k
miles and the missus starts her up and gives it welly straight away on a 1
mile trip to ASDA, returning 1 hour later. No running for 1 min before use
or 1 -2 mins after a run to cool the turbo... never had a prob. Always used
good oil and regular servicing, that's my motto!
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> well, my trusty old 405 GRDT has 183000 on the clock, serviced every 4k
> miles and the missus starts her up and gives it welly straight away on a 1
> mile trip to ASDA, returning 1 hour later. No running for 1 min before use
> or 1 -2 mins after a run to cool the turbo... never had a prob. Always 
> used
> good oil and regular servicing, that's my motto!


Well the running for a minute before use isn't, IMHO, as crucial as the 
spinning down time, as long as you don't rag it too much from cold (which 
isn't advisable in any car, full stop).  The 1-2 minutes after a run to cool 
the turbo is relative to how hot it's got anyway.  The last minute or so may 
well be off boost, just pootling into your street, and backing the car up in 
the drive, which could well all be off boost anyway, which is why yours has 
lasted.  And it could be that your msisus doesn't drive foot to the floor 
everywhere, and drives it quite gently, which again all helps.

The main thing with turbos, I suppose it to pay extra attention to giving 
them a chance to cool down when they've been worked hard, i.e. Mr Company 
Golf GTI (turbo) driver coming into the motorway services, after having just 
been doing 100mph+ down the motorway, and shutting the engine straight off 
before getting fuel/food/whatever, is more likely to knacker it than someone 
just using a TD for the shopping, and not driving it particularly hard.

Having said that, with the complexity of the roads into some motorway 
service stations, and the sheer amount of road you've got to cover at 20mph 
or so before you get parked, that gives the turbo a fair chance to cool down 
to start with anyway.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."