(Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
from Nottingham.
A couple of things caught my attention:
When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, right). 
But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through to said a 
refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the magazine.
Did some more digging, found this blog:
http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to remove 
to uk2 banner??
But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they mentioned.
I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
like
oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N

Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the line 
over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous occupant of 
the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the crossover 
happen?

Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them to 
add to the anti-scam blogs?

Thanks!

*(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!)

In article <431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org>,
   Jonathan  wrote:

> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.


Anyone who accepts such 'offers' has money to burn. It's an interesting way to
throw money away but I'm sure I can make you an equally interesting offer -
just pack the notes in brown paper and post them to ...

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"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org...

> (Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
> Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
> from Nottingham.
> A couple of things caught my attention:
> When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, 
> right). But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through 
> to said a refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the 
> magazine.
> Did some more digging, found this blog:
> http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
> The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
> http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
> would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to 
> remove to uk2 banner??
> But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
> http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
> which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they 
> mentioned.
> I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
> like
> oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N
>
> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the 
> line over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous 
> occupant of the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the 
> crossover happen?
>
> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
> They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
> appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them 
> to add to the anti-scam blogs?
>
> Thanks!
>
> *(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
> takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!)
>


Never heard of this company, but I would tend not to trust a company that 
embarked on cold-calling; a good company will get enough business from 
referals without having to resort to this desperate tactic. I would ask 
family, friends colleagues if they have any recommendations for a local 
company.

"Walter B."  wrote in message 
news:jnpoh1dgvscnkneinf7227qpgftu4f1l80@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:04:54 +0100, "Jonathan" 
> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these
>>people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
>>They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice
>>appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them 
>>to
>>add to the anti-scam blogs?
>>
>
> When are in a free (allegedly) country, do what you like.
> But don't come screaming here in a few weeks that they ripped you off.


Right, all responses quite conclusive then! Back to plan A which was to see 
how much of a mess I could make with some DIY units from B&Q...(any better 
suggestions?!?)

"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c694f_3@x-privat.org...

>
> Right, all responses quite conclusive then! Back to plan A which was to 
> see how much of a mess I could make with some DIY units

Wise man

> from B&Q...(any better suggestions?!?)


You'll get some!

Mary

>
> 

>
> Isn't it just a variation of the old 'we'll give a discount if you agree 
> to show around xyz people' and the people never come, because its just 
> another vehicle to get you to sign up for their over priced kitchens/upvc 
> windows that are made with less than desirable specced materials and 
> fitted by monkeys that barely know how to bang a hammer for their minimum 
> wage.
>
> Ad

So on that note, I also will be looking for a new kitchen soon, anybody any 
suggestions for a kitchen company in Central Scotland? or is B&Q/MFI the way 
to go nowadays.

I'm going to top post reply to myself because, ooh, it's SO daring!
So they kept calling back, the phone was ringing relentlessly, eventually 
thought I should at least answer an give 'em the "no thanks".
"Yes, I've spoken to my wife and she's not happy to have anyone round until 
you can fax us the full terms and conditions* of the off...."
<click>
They didn't even let me finish the sentence before they hung up! A rude 
cold-caller...imagine that!!

*I'd asked when they first called if there was some way they could get me 
the T&C's of the promotion, and they said no because the consultant would 
bring everything with them.

Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting 
a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
infraction of sig standard.

--
You decide! Retards - take your positions!

"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org...

> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the 
> line over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous 
> occupant of the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the 
> crossover happen?

I'm going to top post reply to myself because, ooh, it's SO daring!
So they kept calling back, the phone was ringing relentlessly, eventually 
thought I should at least answer an give 'em the "no thanks".
"Yes, I've spoken to my wife and she's not happy to have anyone round until 
you can fax us the full terms and conditions* of the off...."
<click>
They didn't even let me finish the sentence before they hung up! A rude 
cold-caller...imagine that!!

*I'd asked when they first called if there was some way they could get me 
the T&C's of the promotion, and they said no because the consultant would 
bring everything with them.

Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting 
a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
infraction of sig standard.

--
You decide! Retards - take your positions!

"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org...

> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the 
> line over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous 
> occupant of the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the 
> crossover happen?

In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
   Jonathan  wrote:

> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> infraction of sig standard.


Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.

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In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
   Jonathan  wrote:

> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> infraction of sig standard.


Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.

-- 
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	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

"Craig"  wrote in message 
news:aC_Se.187$k22.51@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> >
>> Isn't it just a variation of the old 'we'll give a discount if you agree 
>> to show around xyz people' and the people never come, because its just 
>> another vehicle to get you to sign up for their over priced kitchens/upvc 
>> windows that are made with less than desirable specced materials and 
>> fitted by monkeys that barely know how to bang a hammer for their minimum 
>> wage.
>>
>> Ad
> So on that note, I also will be looking for a new kitchen soon, anybody 
> any suggestions for a kitchen company in Central Scotland? or is B&Q/MFI 
> the way to go nowadays.
>


I'm a bit biased but IMO the best way is to buy the carcasses, worktops, 
doors etc to your own spec from bnq, mfi or other cheaper end makers and 
book a carpenter that fits kitchens, one with a decent reputation (and 
probably as long a waiting time to match) to assemble and fit them securely. 
If he cant do the waters, he'll probably know a man that can but its better 
to find one that does basic pipework himself, that is unless you have major 
problems or pipe reworking, its usually just an extension or two for the 
sink and any new access points like w/machine, d/washer etc - that way you 
are unlikely to be left for days with no water waiting for different 
services- that just leaves the gas (as he's unlikely to be corgi regged too) 
if you have new hobs or gas ovens to fit.

If you know a suitable chippy, get him to pop around and quote you and you 
should find that labour and materials shouldn't cost much more (if at all 
more) than the monkey fitted cold sell kitchens but for that you'll have a 
proper job- like properly routered worktop joints and none of these crap 
catching joining strips that stick up and get in the way of cooking/wiping 
etc, base units that wont wobble after a few months etc

Ad

"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org...

> (Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
> Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
> from Nottingham.
> A couple of things caught my attention:
> When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, 
> right). But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through 
> to said a refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the 
> magazine.
> Did some more digging, found this blog:
> http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
> The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
> http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
> would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to 
> remove to uk2 banner??
> But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
> http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
> which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they 
> mentioned.
> I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
> like
> oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N
>
> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the 
> line over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous 
> occupant of the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the 
> crossover happen?
>
> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
> They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
> appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them 
> to add to the anti-scam blogs?
>
> Thanks!
>
> *(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
> takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!)
>


Isn't it just a variation of the old 'we'll give a discount if you agree to 
show around xyz people' and the people never come, because its just another 
vehicle to get you to sign up for their over priced kitchens/upvc windows 
that are made with less than desirable specced materials and fitted by 
monkeys that barely know how to bang a hammer for their minimum wage.

Ad

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:53:36 +0100, "Jonathan" 
wrote:


>
>Right, all responses quite conclusive then! Back to plan A which was to see 
>how much of a mess I could make with some DIY units from B&Q...(any better 
>suggestions?!?) 
>


Look here: www.keencost.co.uk

DG

I'm going to top post reply to myself because, ooh, it's SO daring!
So they kept calling back, the phone was ringing relentlessly, eventually 
thought I should at least answer an give 'em the "no thanks".
"Yes, I've spoken to my wife and she's not happy to have anyone round until 
you can fax us the full terms and conditions* of the off...."
<click>
They didn't even let me finish the sentence before they hung up! A rude 
cold-caller...imagine that!!

*I'd asked when they first called if there was some way they could get me 
the T&C's of the promotion, and they said no because the consultant would 
bring everything with them.

Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting 
a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
infraction of sig standard.

--
You decide! Retards - take your positions!

"Jonathan"  wrote in message 
news:431c5dde$1_2@x-privat.org...

> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the 
> line over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous 
> occupant of the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the 
> crossover happen?

In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:

> In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
> 
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
cold call will stop doing it.

In article <431cdeb9$0$22941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, 
root@mauve.demon.co.uk says...

> In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:
> > In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
> >   Jonathan  wrote:
> >> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> >> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> >> infraction of sig standard.
> > 
> > Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> > have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> > stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.
> 
> OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
> If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
> cold call will stop doing it.
> 

The "consultant" probably gets paid commission only, so why would the 
company care?  I suppose we could start a protest by everyone agreeing 
to an appointment with a representative from every company that ever 
cold-calls them, waste their time and buy nothing, but I'd feel sorry 
for the reps who are just trying to make a living and not responsible 
for the way that the company gets its leads.

In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:

> In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
> 
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
cold call will stop doing it.

In article <431cdeb9$0$22941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, 
root@mauve.demon.co.uk says...

> In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:
> > In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
> >   Jonathan  wrote:
> >> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> >> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> >> infraction of sig standard.
> > 
> > Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> > have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> > stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.
> 
> OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
> If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
> cold call will stop doing it.
> 

The "consultant" probably gets paid commission only, so why would the 
company care?  I suppose we could start a protest by everyone agreeing 
to an appointment with a representative from every company that ever 
cold-calls them, waste their time and buy nothing, but I'd feel sorry 
for the reps who are just trying to make a living and not responsible 
for the way that the company gets its leads.

In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
   Jonathan  wrote:

> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> infraction of sig standard.


Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.

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	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:

> In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
> 
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
cold call will stop doing it.

In article <431cdeb9$0$22941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, 
root@mauve.demon.co.uk says...

> In uk.telecom John Cartmell  wrote:
> > In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
> >   Jonathan  wrote:
> >> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
> >> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
> >> infraction of sig standard.
> > 
> > Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> > have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> > stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.
> 
> OTOH - the consultant gets paid for doing this.
> If they spend enough time not making sales, then the companies that
> cold call will stop doing it.
> 

The "consultant" probably gets paid commission only, so why would the 
company care?  I suppose we could start a protest by everyone agreeing 
to an appointment with a representative from every company that ever 
cold-calls them, waste their time and buy nothing, but I'd feel sorry 
for the reps who are just trying to make a living and not responsible 
for the way that the company gets its leads.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:29:13 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
>
>Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
>have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
>stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying
for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
them the names of six friends.

What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?

We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.

Gareth

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:29:13 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
>
>Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
>have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
>stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying
for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
them the names of six friends.

What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?

We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.

Gareth

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:09:24 GMT, Gareth A.
 wrote:


>On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:29:13 +0100, John Cartmell
> wrote:
>
>>In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>>   Jonathan  wrote:
>>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>>> infraction of sig standard.
>>
>>Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
>>have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
>>stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.
>
>I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying
>for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
>my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
>our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
>them the names of six friends.
>
>What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
>price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?


Easily said till you've tried it.  Salesmen have lines to resist that
sort of thing, and most people are reluctant to use physical force.
They're counting on you signing something to get rid of them.
Naturally it is best not to let them in in the first place. 


>
>We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
>the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
>first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
>terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
>just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
>BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
>reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
>when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


Regardless of where the call centre is, if BT is behind it, use the
TPS and 95% of the calls will stop.  All I get these days are
pre-recorded ones from the USA advertising Florida holidays (!) and
some bunch of wonkers who claim my wife filled in a survey at an
airport.  I used to use them for practice at being rude, now I just
politely interrupt tell them I'm not interested, and hang up.
nl

Space kitchens are in blackburn FYI

-- 


--
"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."

In article , Gareth A.
 wrote:

> The snag is that BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for
> various reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit
> difficult when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too much
like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to cold-caller
ambulance chasers:
"Sorry you couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
prostitutes in your area?"

-- 
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:02:47 +0100, John Cartmell  
 wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too  
> much
> like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to  
> cold-caller
> ambulance chasers:


http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/~john49/confaq.htm

Might give you a few ideas.

John Schmitt

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

In article ,
   John Cartmell  wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil
> was too much like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my
> normal response to cold-caller ambulance chasers: "Sorry you
> couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
> prostitutes in your area?"


 We had multiple calls from someone claiming to be from HSBC,
 wanting to 'talk about our account'.  As a precursor though
 they kept asking for some details 'as a security check'. My
 standard response was a 'b*gger off' and put the phone down.
 Number witheld, naturally.

 Total surprise when we got a letter from the actual HSBC,
 (in Hemel Hemstead), complaining bitterly about not being
 allowed to offer investment advice..... stupid blighters,
 number witheld, so no proof of who they are, and wanting
 confidential account information upfront.  I solved their
 cause for complaint by moving most of the money out of the 
 account.

-- 
Tony Williams.

In article , Gareth A.
 wrote:

> The snag is that BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for
> various reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit
> difficult when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too much
like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to cold-caller
ambulance chasers:
"Sorry you couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
prostitutes in your area?"

-- 
	John Cartmell	john@ followed by finnybank.com	  0845 006 8822
	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:02:47 +0100, John Cartmell  
 wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too  
> much
> like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to  
> cold-caller
> ambulance chasers:


http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/~john49/confaq.htm

Might give you a few ideas.

John Schmitt

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

In article ,
   John Cartmell  wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil
> was too much like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my
> normal response to cold-caller ambulance chasers: "Sorry you
> couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
> prostitutes in your area?"


 We had multiple calls from someone claiming to be from HSBC,
 wanting to 'talk about our account'.  As a precursor though
 they kept asking for some details 'as a security check'. My
 standard response was a 'b*gger off' and put the phone down.
 Number witheld, naturally.

 Total surprise when we got a letter from the actual HSBC,
 (in Hemel Hemstead), complaining bitterly about not being
 allowed to offer investment advice..... stupid blighters,
 number witheld, so no proof of who they are, and wanting
 confidential account information upfront.  I solved their
 cause for complaint by moving most of the money out of the 
 account.

-- 
Tony Williams.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:29:13 +0100, John Cartmell
 wrote:


>In article <431c78bc$1_3@x-privat.org>,
>   Jonathan  wrote:
>> Now the only question remains - should I now netkkkop myself for top posting
>> a followup to my own post, or should I start a massive sig war with a minor 
>> infraction of sig standard.
>
>Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
>have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
>stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying
for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
them the names of six friends.

What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?

We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.

Gareth

Gareth A. wrote:
  > I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying

> for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
> my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
> our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
> them the names of six friends.
> 
> What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
> price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?


We're too polite in this country except when we want to be rude. I
for one would tell someone thanks for you time etc but then ask them
to leave.

You could always say you have a colonic irrigation booked and you don't
want to be late ;).


> We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
> the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
> first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
> terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
> just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
> BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
> reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
> when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


Heh one nice Scottish sounding woman called and asked if I had a BT
line. I asked her why and she said because she was updating her
records of BT customers, the snag is I don't have BT number :P. So
when asked if she could check for me since I didn't know she
prompty hung up!

Another good idea is to copy them word for word like a five year old,
see how long they can go before hanging up.

The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
one 20mins once, was great :D.


> 
> Gareth
> 


-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

Aaron, in article <r0JTe.104477$G8.65417
@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, says...
how long they can go before hanging up.

>
>The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
>draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
>walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
>one 20mins once, was great :D.


Son did better than that with our "friends" from Florida.  
He managed 10 hours...

He just hung on and eventually heard several other calls, 
after hearing queuing messages and hold music.  He 
estimates about 75% cleared down immediately and others 
go on to listen to the usual timeshare type scam with the 
caller having to pay for a large cost component like 
flights or meals.  There were a couple of hard sell 
conversations that were disconcerting. - One where the 
guy was really pressured to give his credit card number 
despite him repeatedly stating "I don't think I want to 
...." Eventually they hung up leaving him saying 
"hello...". The other was them telling the person at the 
other end to "...just use their dad's credit card 
number..."

Please, think up your own type of response to these 
callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
know how to deal with them.

-- 
John

Gareth A. wrote:
  > I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying

> for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
> my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
> our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
> them the names of six friends.
> 
> What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
> price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?


We're too polite in this country except when we want to be rude. I
for one would tell someone thanks for you time etc but then ask them
to leave.

You could always say you have a colonic irrigation booked and you don't
want to be late ;).


> We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
> the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
> first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
> terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
> just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
> BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
> reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
> when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


Heh one nice Scottish sounding woman called and asked if I had a BT
line. I asked her why and she said because she was updating her
records of BT customers, the snag is I don't have BT number :P. So
when asked if she could check for me since I didn't know she
prompty hung up!

Another good idea is to copy them word for word like a five year old,
see how long they can go before hanging up.

The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
one 20mins once, was great :D.


> 
> Gareth
> 


-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

Aaron, in article <r0JTe.104477$G8.65417
@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, says...
how long they can go before hanging up.

>
>The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
>draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
>walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
>one 20mins once, was great :D.


Son did better than that with our "friends" from Florida.  
He managed 10 hours...

He just hung on and eventually heard several other calls, 
after hearing queuing messages and hold music.  He 
estimates about 75% cleared down immediately and others 
go on to listen to the usual timeshare type scam with the 
caller having to pay for a large cost component like 
flights or meals.  There were a couple of hard sell 
conversations that were disconcerting. - One where the 
guy was really pressured to give his credit card number 
despite him repeatedly stating "I don't think I want to 
...." Eventually they hung up leaving him saying 
"hello...". The other was them telling the person at the 
other end to "...just use their dad's credit card 
number..."

Please, think up your own type of response to these 
callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
know how to deal with them.

-- 
John

In article , Gareth A.
 wrote:

> The snag is that BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for
> various reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit
> difficult when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too much
like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to cold-caller
ambulance chasers:
"Sorry you couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
prostitutes in your area?"

-- 
	John Cartmell	john@ followed by finnybank.com	  0845 006 8822
	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:02:47 +0100, John Cartmell  
 wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil was too  
> much
> like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my normal response to  
> cold-caller
> ambulance chasers:


http://www.axp.mdx.ac.uk/~john49/confaq.htm

Might give you a few ideas.

John Schmitt

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

In article ,
   John Cartmell  wrote:


> I told my own bank to go take a running jump because their speil
> was too much like a cold caller's. Good job I didn't use my
> normal response to cold-caller ambulance chasers: "Sorry you
> couldn't get yourself a more decent job - is there no call for
> prostitutes in your area?"


 We had multiple calls from someone claiming to be from HSBC,
 wanting to 'talk about our account'.  As a precursor though
 they kept asking for some details 'as a security check'. My
 standard response was a 'b*gger off' and put the phone down.
 Number witheld, naturally.

 Total surprise when we got a letter from the actual HSBC,
 (in Hemel Hemstead), complaining bitterly about not being
 allowed to offer investment advice..... stupid blighters,
 number witheld, so no proof of who they are, and wanting
 confidential account information upfront.  I solved their
 cause for complaint by moving most of the money out of the 
 account.

-- 
Tony Williams.

Gareth A. wrote:
  > I don't understand these people who complain about salesmen staying

> for hours and hours and "we couldn't get him to leave".  A friend of
> my parents gave a Kirby salesmen (the "free carpet cleaning" people)
> our number and said the only way they got them to leave was by giving
> them the names of six friends.
> 
> What is difficult about saying "I don't want your product at any
> price, you have ten seconds to pack up and leave" ?


We're too polite in this country except when we want to be rude. I
for one would tell someone thanks for you time etc but then ask them
to leave.

You could always say you have a colonic irrigation booked and you don't
want to be late ;).


> We get a lot of Indian people who call asking for the person who "pays
> the BT bill", they are resellers of various shoddy services. For the
> first dozen I attempted to politely sidestep the questioning and
> terminate the call, then realised they were on a good script so now I
> just say "we're not interested thanks" and hang up.   The snag is that
> BT themselves appear to be using Indian call centres for various
> reasons so it is necessary to detemine who is calling, a bit difficult
> when the cold callers are deceitful to various degrees.


Heh one nice Scottish sounding woman called and asked if I had a BT
line. I asked her why and she said because she was updating her
records of BT customers, the snag is I don't have BT number :P. So
when asked if she could check for me since I didn't know she
prompty hung up!

Another good idea is to copy them word for word like a five year old,
see how long they can go before hanging up.

The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
one 20mins once, was great :D.


> 
> Gareth
> 


-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

Aaron, in article <r0JTe.104477$G8.65417
@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, says...
how long they can go before hanging up.

>
>The best one I have found so far is one of the American accent prize
>draw calls. I let these automatically transfer to an operator then
>walk off a watch TV. They don't seem to be able to hang up! I left
>one 20mins once, was great :D.


Son did better than that with our "friends" from Florida.  
He managed 10 hours...

He just hung on and eventually heard several other calls, 
after hearing queuing messages and hold music.  He 
estimates about 75% cleared down immediately and others 
go on to listen to the usual timeshare type scam with the 
caller having to pay for a large cost component like 
flights or meals.  There were a couple of hard sell 
conversations that were disconcerting. - One where the 
guy was really pressured to give his credit card number 
despite him repeatedly stating "I don't think I want to 
...." Eventually they hung up leaving him saying 
"hello...". The other was them telling the person at the 
other end to "...just use their dad's credit card 
number..."

Please, think up your own type of response to these 
callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
know how to deal with them.

-- 
John

John Weston wrote:


> 
> Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> know how to deal with them.
> 


Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
rude enough to these people!

-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

"Aaron"  wrote in message 
news:gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> John Weston wrote:
>
>>
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let 
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!


You don't need to be rude to get them to go away. I'm never rude to them.

Mary

>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Aaron. 

In article <gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
AaronREMOVEME@Aaronhorn.co.uk says...

> John Weston wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> > callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> > know how to deal with them.
> > 
> 
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!
> 
> 

You don't need to be rude - just say "I'm not interested thanks, 
goodbye".  If they continue say "Thankyou, goodbye" and hang up on them.

Jonathan wrote:

> (Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
> Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
> from Nottingham.
> A couple of things caught my attention:
> When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, right). 
> But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through to said a 
> refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the magazine.
> Did some more digging, found this blog:
> http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
> The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
> http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
> would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to remove 
> to uk2 banner??
> But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
> http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
> which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they mentioned.
> I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
> like
> oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N
> 
> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the line 
> over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous occupant of 
> the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the crossover 
> happen?
> 
> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
> They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
> appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them to 
> add to the anti-scam blogs?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> *(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
> takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!) 
> 
> 


Units from IKEA plus a local tradesman was what I did.

Quite a few tradesmen seem to use IKEA anyway.

John Weston wrote:


> 
> Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> know how to deal with them.
> 


Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
rude enough to these people!

-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

"Aaron"  wrote in message 
news:gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> John Weston wrote:
>
>>
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let 
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!


You don't need to be rude to get them to go away. I'm never rude to them.

Mary

>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Aaron. 

In article <gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
AaronREMOVEME@Aaronhorn.co.uk says...

> John Weston wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> > callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> > know how to deal with them.
> > 
> 
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!
> 
> 

You don't need to be rude - just say "I'm not interested thanks, 
goodbye".  If they continue say "Thankyou, goodbye" and hang up on them.

Jonathan wrote:

> (Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
> Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
> from Nottingham.
> A couple of things caught my attention:
> When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, right). 
> But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through to said a 
> refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the magazine.
> Did some more digging, found this blog:
> http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
> The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
> http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
> would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to remove 
> to uk2 banner??
> But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
> http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
> which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they mentioned.
> I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
> like
> oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N
> 
> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the line 
> over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous occupant of 
> the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the crossover 
> happen?
> 
> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
> They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
> appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them to 
> add to the anti-scam blogs?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> *(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
> takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!) 
> 
> 


Units from IKEA plus a local tradesman was what I did.

Quite a few tradesmen seem to use IKEA anyway.

John Weston wrote:


> 
> Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> know how to deal with them.
> 


Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
rude enough to these people!

-- 
Regards,
Aaron.

"Aaron"  wrote in message 
news:gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> John Weston wrote:
>
>>
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let 
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!


You don't need to be rude to get them to go away. I'm never rude to them.

Mary

>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Aaron. 

In article <gOYTe.104845$G8.43425@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
AaronREMOVEME@Aaronhorn.co.uk says...

> John Weston wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Please, think up your own type of response to these 
> > callers and don't let them win - and make sure your kids 
> > know how to deal with them.
> > 
> 
> Or in my case my parents ;). Or my mum at least. She's not
> rude enough to these people!
> 
> 

You don't need to be rude - just say "I'm not interested thanks, 
goodbye".  If they continue say "Thankyou, goodbye" and hang up on them.

Jonathan wrote:

> (Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
> Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
> from Nottingham.
> A couple of things caught my attention:
> When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, right). 
> But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through to said a 
> refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the magazine.
> Did some more digging, found this blog:
> http://www.jonmasters.org/wordpress/index.php?p=297
> The phone number matches to one shown on this site:
> http://www.spacekitchens.co.uk/
> would you trust someone who didn't even pay the fiver or whatever to remove 
> to uk2 banner??
> But wait - looking at the frame, it points to:
> http://www.featurehomekitchens.co.uk/
> which don't have a Nottingham office, but DO have the offer they mentioned.
> I googled for them...whats this about? Hundreds and hundreds of subdomains 
> like
> oburn32 whall4 fulford96 etc etc, all pointing to the same place...
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=featurehomekitchens&start=40&sa=N
> 
> Also, when I get junk calls on this "call sign" second number, they always 
> ask for the homeowner - I got callsign at the same time I switched the line 
> over to me, and yet these people were asking for the previous occupant of 
> the house, who never had callsign! That's weird - how did the crossover 
> happen?
> 
> Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
> people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
> They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
> appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them to 
> add to the anti-scam blogs?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> *(on a line I registered for TPS last week, but I understand the process 
> takes longer than that, so I'm not complaining about the call, per se!) 
> 
> 


Units from IKEA plus a local tradesman was what I did.

Quite a few tradesmen seem to use IKEA anyway.

In article , John Weston
 wrote:

> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.


As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to the
magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...

-- 
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	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
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Jonathan wrote:

>(Sorry about cross-posting - will explain itself as you read on)
>Just got a cold call* from a company calling themselves "Space Kitchens" 
>from Nottingham.
>A couple of things caught my attention:
>When they called, they said I'd be chosen for a free kitchen (yeah, right). 
>But when I expressed an interest, the "adviser" I got put through to said a 
>refund would come to me IF I was chosen to appear in the magazine.
<snip>
>Anyway, I WAS actually thinking of getting a kitchen done, so if these 
>people are much of a muchness, then I might as well take a punt.
>They said they'll ring back in an hour (about 30 mins now) so any advice 
>appreciated, and if it's a "NO!" then what info can I squeeze out of them 
>to add to the anti-scam blogs?


You must never buy anything from a cold caller. That way, all cold callers 
will learn that it is not worth cold calling to gain business. This is a 
good thing TM.

--
Andy.

In article , John Weston
 wrote:

> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.


As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to the
magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...

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"John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...

> In article , John Weston
>  wrote:
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>
> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
> the
> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...
>
> -- 
> John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com   0845 006 8822
> Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
> Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
>>>> 

"John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...

> In article , John Weston
>  wrote:
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>
> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
> the
> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...
>
> -- 
> John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com   0845 006 8822
> Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
> Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
>>>> 

wrote in message 
news:88ZUe.1981$K5.459@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

>
> "John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
> news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , John Weston
>>  wrote:
>>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't 
>>> let
>>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
>> the
>> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number 
>> ...


LOL!

That reminds me of the time the Jehovah's Witnesses called (in the 1960s) 
and tried to sell me Watchtower.

They went away having made no sale but buying our local parish magazine, 
which I produced. I think they were glad to get away.

Mary

John Cartmell wrote:

>    Jonathan  wrote:
>
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
instalments plan.

Negotiations, I love it ;-)

Cheers

Paul.

wrote in message 
news:88ZUe.1981$K5.459@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

>
> "John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
> news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , John Weston
>>  wrote:
>>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't 
>>> let
>>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
>> the
>> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number 
>> ...


LOL!

That reminds me of the time the Jehovah's Witnesses called (in the 1960s) 
and tried to sell me Watchtower.

They went away having made no sale but buying our local parish magazine, 
which I produced. I think they were glad to get away.

Mary

In article , John Weston
 wrote:

> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.


As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to the
magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...

-- 
	John Cartmell	john@ followed by finnybank.com	  0845 006 8822
	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

John Cartmell wrote:

>    Jonathan  wrote:
>
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
instalments plan.

Negotiations, I love it ;-)

Cheers

Paul.

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
news:f3bVe.43095$Fb6.7440@fe09.ams...

> zymurgy@technologist.com wrote:
>> Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
>> get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
>> price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
>> instalments plan.
>>
>> Negotiations, I love it ;-)
>
> Reminds me of the time (many years ago) on the run up to an election.  A 
> politician (can't remember which party) came round one evening and my Dad 
> invited him in.  He stayed for several hours watching a boxing match after 
> which my Dad sent him on his way telling him he would be voting for the 
> other party!  Don't think he was best pleased!


That's the way to deal with all such pests, keep 'em away from other, more 
vulnerable, householders.

Mary

zymurgy@technologist.com wrote:

> Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
> get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
> price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
> instalments plan.
> 
> Negotiations, I love it ;-)


Reminds me of the time (many years ago) on the run up to an election.  A 
politician (can't remember which party) came round one evening and my 
Dad invited him in.  He stayed for several hours watching a boxing match 
after which my Dad sent him on his way telling him he would be voting 
for the other party!  Don't think he was best pleased!

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
news:f3bVe.43095$Fb6.7440@fe09.ams...

> zymurgy@technologist.com wrote:
>> Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
>> get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
>> price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
>> instalments plan.
>>
>> Negotiations, I love it ;-)
>
> Reminds me of the time (many years ago) on the run up to an election.  A 
> politician (can't remember which party) came round one evening and my Dad 
> invited him in.  He stayed for several hours watching a boxing match after 
> which my Dad sent him on his way telling him he would be voting for the 
> other party!  Don't think he was best pleased!


That's the way to deal with all such pests, keep 'em away from other, more 
vulnerable, householders.

Mary

"John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...

> In article , John Weston
>  wrote:
>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't let
>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>
> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
> the
> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number ...
>
> -- 
> John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com   0845 006 8822
> Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
> Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
>>>> 

wrote in message 
news:88ZUe.1981$K5.459@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

>
> "John Cartmell"  wrote in message 
> news:4da86be501john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , John Weston
>>  wrote:
>>> Please, think up your own type of response to these callers and don't 
>>> let
>>> them win - and make sure your kids know how to deal with them.
>>
>> As I produce a magazine I sometimes respond by saying they are through to 
>> the
>> magazine subscription line and asking tem for their credit card number 
>> ...


LOL!

That reminds me of the time the Jehovah's Witnesses called (in the 1960s) 
and tried to sell me Watchtower.

They went away having made no sale but buying our local parish magazine, 
which I produced. I think they were glad to get away.

Mary

John Cartmell wrote:

>    Jonathan  wrote:
>
> Just send us all a payment for saving your time. The 'consultant' wouldn't
> have left your house until you had signed away your life - and if you were
> stubborn enough that could have taken many hours.


Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
instalments plan.

Negotiations, I love it ;-)

Cheers

Paul.

zymurgy@technologist.com wrote:

> Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
> get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
> price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
> instalments plan.
> 
> Negotiations, I love it ;-)


Reminds me of the time (many years ago) on the run up to an election.  A 
politician (can't remember which party) came round one evening and my 
Dad invited him in.  He stayed for several hours watching a boxing match 
after which my Dad sent him on his way telling him he would be voting 
for the other party!  Don't think he was best pleased!

"Richard Conway"  wrote in message 
news:f3bVe.43095$Fb6.7440@fe09.ams...

> zymurgy@technologist.com wrote:
>> Lol. The double glazing salesman was there from 9am to 1pm trying to
>> get me to sign up. I did eventually, but not until he'd dropped the
>> price 5 times and i'd managed to escape their 'bargain' paying by
>> instalments plan.
>>
>> Negotiations, I love it ;-)
>
> Reminds me of the time (many years ago) on the run up to an election.  A 
> politician (can't remember which party) came round one evening and my Dad 
> invited him in.  He stayed for several hours watching a boxing match after 
> which my Dad sent him on his way telling him he would be voting for the 
> other party!  Don't think he was best pleased!


That's the way to deal with all such pests, keep 'em away from other, more 
vulnerable, householders.

Mary