I don't seem to have seen any copies of Railway Magazine in newsagents
over the past week or two.  Mind you, I haven't really been looking out
for it for several months.

Are there any production or distribution difficulties? It hasn't
folded, has it? It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.

Andy Kirkham

"Andy Kirkham"  wrote in message 
news:1125924324.492314.7820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>I don't seem to have seen any copies of Railway Magazine in newsagents
> over the past week or two.  Mind you, I haven't really been looking out
> for it for several months.
>
> Are there any production or distribution difficulties? It hasn't
> folded, has it? It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.
>
> Andy Kirkham


deffinitely still in business , and I don't know of any difficulties, but 
I'll check.>

Andy Kirkham wrote:

> I don't seem to have seen any copies of Railway Magazine in newsagents
> over the past week or two.  Mind you, I haven't really been looking out
> for it for several months.
> 
> Are there any production or distribution difficulties? It hasn't
> folded, has it? It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.



Yes, I found a month going past very slow!

However, on page 87, bottom left it says
"Next Month.....
Story of Crewe works, past, present future.
Hope to take a ride on NR new measurement train and the Orient Express."
On Sale ........7th September.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dickie mint" 
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Railway Magazine



> Andy Kirkham wrote:
> > I don't seem to have seen any copies of Railway Magazine in newsagents
> > over the past week or two.  Mind you, I haven't really been looking out
> > for it for several months.
> >
> > Are there any production or distribution difficulties? It hasn't
> > folded, has it? It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> > multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.
>
>
> Yes, I found a month going past very slow!
>
> However, on page 87, bottom left it says
> "Next Month.....
> Story of Crewe works, past, present future.
> Hope to take a ride on NR new measurement train and the Orient Express."
> On Sale ........7th September.


Its "first Wednesday of the month" - this was a "five week month" as the 1st
of Sept was a Thurdsay. Nice in that the team can fit in a summer holiday!

TM
..

On 5 Sep 2005 05:45:24 -0700, "Andy Kirkham"
 wrote:


>I don't seem to have seen any copies of Railway Magazine in newsagents
>over the past week or two.  Mind you, I haven't really been looking out
>for it for several months.
>
>Are there any production or distribution difficulties? It hasn't
>folded, has it? It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
>multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.


According to the National Title File (a service run by the magazine
wholesalers) the next issue is due out on 07/09/05, although the last
one was due for return by retailers on the 31/08/05.

http://www.nationaltitlefile.co.uk/

Duncan

Andy Kirkham wrote:


> It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.
>
> Andy Kirkham


It seems to me that as the railway network of the United Kingdom has
grown less and less extensive, more and more peripheral to the
peoples'lives -- especially in the provinces -- and less and less
fascinating to the young, the number of railway magazines has actually
increased.

Can somebody explain this paradox?

JA

Sir John Aspinall wrote:

> Andy Kirkham wrote:
>
> > It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> > multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.
> >
> > Andy Kirkham
>
> It seems to me that as the railway network of the United Kingdom has
> grown less and less extensive, more and more peripheral to the
> peoples'lives -- especially in the provinces -- and less and less
> fascinating to the young, the number of railway magazines has actually
> increased.
>
> Can somebody explain this paradox?
>
> JA


Yes, it certainly seems paradoxical.  I wonder if modern publishing
technology is a factor, making it possible for a magazine to be
produced by one man and his dog, and  needing a smaller readership to
cover costs.

There is also the fragmentation of the market  into modern and
historical. Up to the 1960's the railways were still essentially
Victorian, so it wasn't so difficult to be enthusiastic about both
contemporary and historical aspects. Now that the railway past is so
very much another country it is not surpising that there are plenty of
people who like one and loathe the other.

Andy

Andy Kirkham wrote:


> There is also the fragmentation of the market  into modern and
> historical. ...(Snip) ...
> Now that the railway past is so very much another country it is
> not surprising that there are plenty of people who like one and
> loathe the other.

--------------------------------

Andy & group ...

Not surprising, perhaps, but I feel a little sad about it all the
same.

Now in my 70s, I was brought up in a 90% railway family in a railway
'company town' which also had a famous private locomotive builder,
the Vulcan Foundry.

I saw nothing but steam traction on the main lines until 10000+10001
thundered past on the Royal Scot, circa 1949-50. Less than 20 years
later, steam had gone, except in preservation. My reaction to all
this was one of unbroken interest throughout: as an enthusiast, a
rail club officer-cum-rail tours organiser, an active
preservationist and a rail press writer and photographer. In my
early 60s I researched & wrote the 20.00 book 'Highland Railway
Liveries' (HMRS/Pendragon Publishing). Only age-related, indifferent
health and the increasing cost of  travel have slowed me down a lot
since 2001.

I can look back on almost 10 years of caretaking, firing & driving
the famous L&M 0-4-2T 'LION' (the Titfield Thunderbolt), after which
I also handled (as a supervised guest driver) a Class 40, a Deltic &
some ex-main line steam, including 0-4-0STs and Pacifics. The last
diesel loco I actually drove was the Ffestiniog Railway's
Funkey-built B-B DH, 'Vale of Ffestiniog', about 5 years ago.
Earlier this year I was 'given' half an hour on the throttle of a
2ft gauge 0-4-2ST, on a non-public day after the boiler insurance
Co's inspector had done with it and signed it off 'OK'. Great fun!

I don't suppose there are very many of us in this newsgroup who
share my own almost universal taste in rail matters!


Regards,

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In message <5UXTe.26820$2n6.7031@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
          "Eddie Bellass"  wrote:


> Andy Kirkham wrote:
> 
> > There is also the fragmentation of the market  into modern and
> > historical. ...(Snip) ...
> > Now that the railway past is so very much another country it is
> > not surprising that there are plenty of people who like one and
> > loathe the other.
> --------------------------------
> 
> Andy & group ...
> 
> Not surprising, perhaps, but I feel a little sad about it all the
> same.
> 
> Now in my 70s, I was brought up in a 90% railway family in a railway
> 'company town' which also had a famous private locomotive builder,
> the Vulcan Foundry.
> 


You might be interested to know that one of Vulcan's products, Uganda
Railways' EB3 class 2409 is currently being restored to running order in the
railway workshops in Nairobi

<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/Kenya/2409.html>
-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

> You might be interested to know that one of Vulcan's products,
> Uganda Railways' EB3 class 2409 is currently being restored
> to running order in the railway workshops in Nairobi


<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/Kenya/2409.html>
----------------------------------

Thank you Graeme...

A most interesting read indeed!



Regards,

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"Sir John Aspinall"  wrote in message
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>
> Andy Kirkham wrote:
>
> > It would be sad if that were the case, but - given the
> > multiplicity of titles nowadays - perhaps unsurprising.
> >
> > Andy Kirkham
>
> It seems to me that as the railway network of the United Kingdom has
> grown less and less extensive, more and more peripheral to the
> peoples'lives -- especially in the provinces -- and less and less
> fascinating to the young, the number of railway magazines has actually
> increased.
>
> Can somebody explain this paradox?


Well, apart from anything else it is very much easier to produce a magazine
with "desktop publishing" than in the "old days" with metal type etc.

I have a couple of railway magazines which were probably produced with metal
type and each photo having to be made into a plate (via the appropriate dot
screen etc.) and this dropped into the make-up for each page. The
typesetters had to juggle the type to fit the page etc. all by hand - loads
of spacers and leading etc. - for every page.. and think of the time taken
to turn a page from a type-written submission to metal type.

When I compare that with today when everything I supply is emailed from home
and dropped straight into the page make-up/layout no wonder its quicker and
easier now. AND for some publications it does mean that that a story can
"happen" and be in the magazine as it goes to print within minutes. I've
taken pictures at 9am in Manchester for magazines that close for press at
lunchtime the same day and had them used. Think how much that makes
production simpler and easier?

Tony

I'll support what Tony says, though my nearest effort to
his was to take a rail picture in the Isle of Man on a Sunday
afternoon in 1999, and on conventional film. (All digital now!).

I had it 1-hour processed, then scanned the print in an
Internet cafe next door, e-mailing it along with my words
to the editor, then in Wigan.

The publication went to press at 10.00 Monday morning
and I saw it, with my own feature, on sale in Douglas,
IOM, on Tuesday afternoon. The event I had reported on
then continued for the rest of the week!

First with the latest, eh?   Ah, happy days!


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

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of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

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Eddie Bellass wrote:


> First with the latest, eh? 


Only if it happens just before press date!

For the rest of the news visit your friendly local website ;-)

Charlie

"Charlie Hulme"  wrote in message
news:SP2Ue.7508$Aa1.2080@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

> Eddie Bellass wrote:
>
> > First with the latest, eh?
>
> Only if it happens just before press date!
>
> For the rest of the news visit your friendly local website ;-)


There are some websites I could never compete with Charlie - so I just sent
my pictures straight to it...!
(as you know!)

Tony

Tony Miles wrote:


> There are some websites I could never compete with Charlie -
> so I just sent my pictures straight to it...! (as you know!)

---------------------------------

Tony...

Yes indeed, and why not?

On a more serious note, however, I do now begin to wonder
how long the glossy paper magazines, which we have all read
and which you & I have contributed to for years, will survive.

One of my long read American model railroad journals has just
put its entire 60 page, all-colour issue, on the 'Net for free, this
time including all the adverts displayed in the hard copy.

It used to post an abridged, 'taster' issue to encourage hard
copy sales, then post each old, full issue a week after the
latest one had hit the news stands.

It seems that only non-'Netheads, collectors and libraries are
likely buy the printed paper version from now on.


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free and checked
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Eddie Bellass wrote:

> Andy Kirkham wrote:
>
> > There is also the fragmentation of the market  into modern and
> > historical. ...(Snip) ...
> > Now that the railway past is so very much another country it is
> > not surprising that there are plenty of people who like one and
> > loathe the other.
> --------------------------------
>
> Andy & group ...
>
> Not surprising, perhaps, but I feel a little sad about it all the
> same.
>
<snip>

> I don't suppose there are very many of us in this newsgroup who
> share my own almost universal taste in rail matters!
>


Well, I do, Eddie, which is why Railway Magazine is still my favourite
rail publication. It's the only one that attempts to cover all aspects
of the subject.

Andy

Eddie Bellass wrote:


> One of my long read American model railroad journals has just
> put its entire 60 page, all-colour issue, on the 'Net for free, this
> time including all the adverts displayed in the hard copy.
> 
> It used to post an abridged, 'taster' issue to encourage hard
> copy sales, then post each old, full issue a week after the
> latest one had hit the news stands.
> 
> It seems that only non-'Netheads, collectors and libraries are
> likely buy the printed paper version from now on.


I don't think that will happen yet - people do like something to read
on the train, etc. and at the moment there is still no really
suitable portable reading device which can handle the magazine format.
I do read novels on my pocket PC using MS Reader, but this
can't do justice to the magazine style.

I'd like the magazines to have more of the longer readable articles
and less off the 'clever us, this only happened yesterday'
stuff ...

Charlie

Tony Polson wrote:


> 
> The one exception from my criticism is "Modern Railways", which I
> enjoy browsing at WHSmith but hardly ever buy.  ;-)
> 


If I ran WHS I'd tell these irritating browsers that get in everybody's 
way to push off and find a public library.

Charlie

Charlie Hulme  wrote:


>Tony Polson wrote:
>
>> 
>> The one exception from my criticism is "Modern Railways", which I
>> enjoy browsing at WHSmith but hardly ever buy.  ;-)
>> 
>
>If I ran WHS I'd tell these irritating browsers that get in everybody's 
>way to push off and find a public library.



It doesn't seem to bother WHSmith, so why should it bother you?

I browse a few magazines every time I visit, but I always buy at least
one magazine - plus a newspaper if I haven't already bought my daily
rag somewhere else.  

WHSmith do very well out of me, and I suspect out of most people who
browse mags there.

Tony Polson wrote:


> Charlie Hulme  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Tony Polson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The one exception from my criticism is "Modern Railways", which I
>>>enjoy browsing at WHSmith but hardly ever buy.  ;-)
>>>
>>
>>If I ran WHS I'd tell these irritating browsers that get in everybody's 
>>way to push off and find a public library.
> 
> 
> 
> It doesn't seem to bother WHSmith, so why should it bother you?
>


Because I have to push my way through when I want to buy one!

Charlie

Andy Kirkham wrote:


>Well, I do, Eddie, which is why Railway Magazine is still my favourite

rail publication. It's the only one that attempts to cover all aspects
of the subject.<

Railway World is a title I miss.  It was especially good back in the
Nigel Harris days.  There were excellent News, historical and
preservation items.

For a while (mid eighties) Railway Magazine went thru a mediocre spell.
 They were just not current with the news item.  The magazine took on a
lack-luster feel.  I am please to say it has improved since.

Modern Railways has been my staple for thirty years.

A.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:49:14 +0100, Charlie Hulme
 wrote:


>Tony Polson wrote:
>
>> 
>> The one exception from my criticism is "Modern Railways", which I
>> enjoy browsing at WHSmith but hardly ever buy.  ;-)
>> 
>
>If I ran WHS I'd tell these irritating browsers that get in everybody's 
>way to push off and find a public library.


They'll just find the library has stopped getting magazines, beacuse
people can read them in WH Smith's...


-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

Charlie Hulme  wrote:


>Tony Polson wrote:
>
>> Charlie Hulme  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Tony Polson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The one exception from my criticism is "Modern Railways", which I
>>>>enjoy browsing at WHSmith but hardly ever buy.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>If I ran WHS I'd tell these irritating browsers that get in everybody's 
>>>way to push off and find a public library.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It doesn't seem to bother WHSmith, so why should it bother you?
>>
>
>Because I have to push my way through when I want to buy one!



Try a different branch.

;-)

Adrian Auer-Hudson wrote:


> Railway World is a title I miss.  It was especially good back
> in the Nigel Harris days.  There were excellent News,
> historical and preservation items.

--------------------------------------

Adrian...

I think you meant *Michael* Harris.  Nigel Harris has been
an editor & managing editor  with rival publisher EMAP for
many years past.

The late Mike Harris was a very good editor, just like his
predecessor Handel Kardas. I enjoyed their company on
many outings, both as press and simply enjoying railways
as a hobby.

Both were, alas, very sick men during the last years of their
lives, yet worked until the end. ISTR Handel writing an article
on the eve of his death, which was published posthumously.


Regards,

DigitisED  (Eddie Bellass)

Mythical Merseyside, in the Occupied Territories
of Old Lancashire, United Kingdom.

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"Eddie Bellass"  wrote:


>Adrian...
>
>I think you meant *Michael* Harris.  Nigel Harris has been
>an editor & managing editor  with rival publisher EMAP for
>many years past.



Thanks for that, Eddie.  

For a few minutes I was confused, until you made it all clear!

;-)

Eddie Bellass wrote:


>I think you meant *Michael* Harris.<


Yes Eddie.  Thank you for correcting me.  IIRC Mike Harris had two
stints as editor, both before and after Mr Kardas.

Also, wasn't Handel Kardas editor of something like "Bluebell News"
previously?

You have no idea how much I miss that tite.

A.

"Adrian Auer-Hudson"  wrote in message
news:1126286025.642221.318900@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


> Modern Railways has been my staple for thirty years.


Thanks - but can we have the staple back now please? :-)

TM

Sir John Aspinall wrote:


> It seems to me that as the railway network of the United Kingdom has
> grown less and less extensive, more and more peripheral to the
> peoples'lives -- especially in the provinces -- and less and less
> fascinating to the young, the number of railway magazines has actually
> increased.
> 
> Can somebody explain this paradox?


One word: "postmodernism".

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309739.html
(43 090 at London Kings Cross, 29 Nov 1980)

Tony Miles  wrote:

> Well, apart from anything else it is very much easier to produce a magazine
> with "desktop publishing" than in the "old days" with metal type etc.


Which is both a blessing and a curse.  Now the world and its dog
can produce a magazine using DTP, but very few seem able to 
produce a magazine that is well laid-out and readable.  

Compare an issue of Modern Railways from the early 1960s with a
rag from the news stand today; the former is compact, readable, 
with professional typesetting, images well positioned so as not to 
interrupt the prose.  The latter will have copious amounts of 
colour ``because we can'' ( why do I need blue pages? ), prose 
forced around ill-sized images and broken into tiny chunks,  a 
random jumble of ill-matching fonts ``because they're available'',
daft title effects ( oohh!  drop-shadows! ) etc.

I did write to one magazine ( Air Enthusiast, which has fallen
mightily in layout standards ) to complain about the new ``image'' 
and the editor replied to say that they had to become comtemporary.  
To hell with readability then, lets get some coloured pages and
brushed-steel title effects.

End of rant...

sorry!

A

-- 
Andrew Bunting

"Andrew Bunting"  wrote in message
news:t76jgd.dj.ln@virgil.zype.net...

> Tony Miles  wrote:
> > Well, apart from anything else it is very much easier to produce a
magazine
> > with "desktop publishing" than in the "old days" with metal type etc.
>
> Which is both a blessing and a curse.  Now the world and its dog
> can produce a magazine using DTP, but very few seem able to
> produce a magazine that is well laid-out and readable.
>
> Compare an issue of Modern Railways from the early 1960s with a
> rag from the news stand today; the former is compact, readable,
> with professional typesetting, images well positioned so as not to
> interrupt the prose.  The latter will have copious amounts of
> colour ``because we can'' ( why do I need blue pages? ), prose
> forced around ill-sized images and broken into tiny chunks,  a
> random jumble of ill-matching fonts ``because they're available'',
> daft title effects ( oohh!  drop-shadows! ) etc.


I do agree (not about MR specifically - obviously) and so many magazines
break the very basic typographical rules I learned when I was studying
"visual communications" for me degree.
Maximum numbers of fonts on the page, sticking to the grid etc. are clearly
things of the past!

The counterpoint to this is - compare the B&W photos of a 1960s magazine
with the stunning quality today. Massive dot size for the screens on the old
photos - horrible contrast (if you can call it that) and the ruining of many
a good photo. The colour repro today, and the flexibility of digital imaging
has made a huge difference in this area.

TM

In article <dgjb6n$5i3$1$8300dec7@news.beeb.net>, Tony Miles 
 writes

>
>The counterpoint to this is - compare the B&W photos of a 1960s magazine
>with the stunning quality today. Massive dot size for the screens on the old
>photos - horrible contrast (if you can call it that) and the ruining of many
>a good photo. The colour repro today, and the flexibility of digital imaging
>has made a huge difference in this area.
>

Another factor to bear in mind - not so much for the commercial sector 
as for shoestring operators like rail enthusiast societies - is that the 
difference in cost between professional typesetting and a keen society 
member with Word on their PC almost certainly means the difference 
between a duplicated typescript (remember them?) and a very presentable 
booklet on glossy paper with a sharp typeface and decent photos.
-- 
Sue
The Sir Nigel Gresley Locomotive Preservation Trust is now at
http://www.sirnigelgresley.co.uk
Including - 00 gauge Hornby and Bachmann models for sale.

Andrew Bunting  wrote:


>Compare an issue of Modern Railways from the early 1960s with a
>rag from the news stand today; the former is compact, readable, 
>with professional typesetting, images well positioned so as not to 
>interrupt the prose.  The latter will have copious amounts of 
>colour ``because we can'' ( why do I need blue pages? ), prose 
>forced around ill-sized images and broken into tiny chunks,  a 
>random jumble of ill-matching fonts ``because they're available'',
>daft title effects ( oohh!  drop-shadows! ) etc.



With ever-increasing numbers of magazines being published, I feel sure
that a limited pool of talent in graphic design is being spread ever
more thinly across a rapidly increasing number of pages.

Having run my own printing business, I can say with some confidence
that finding capable graphic designers is extremely difficult, unless
you are able to offer very high wages - and even then it isn't easy.

In article , tp@nospam.co.uk wrote:


> With ever-increasing numbers of magazines being published, I feel sure
> that a limited pool of talent in graphic design is being spread ever
> more thinly across a rapidly increasing number of pages.
> 
> Having run my own printing business, I can say with some confidence
> that finding capable graphic designers is extremely difficult, unless
> you are able to offer very high wages - and even then it isn't easy.


Its funny you should say there is a shortage of good graphic
designers.... My wife has 20+ years post-graduate experience in designing
magazines and books, etc. She started her trade in hot metal and
together we were pioneers in the use of DTP in the mid-1980s and built a
significant business together. This all melted away as the packages became
so easy to use every secretary had access to one, without, of course, the
design skills to use the tools wisely, and the result is as described in
this thread.
Now my wife finds it very hard to get any work, at any rate, she is
over-qualified and over-skilled for what the market seemingly needs, and
our business is no more. A talent going to waste?
So, if anyone has a publication of any sort that needs properly designing
by a typographical and design expert with flair and passion, at a modest
but sensible fee or salary, why not drop me an e-mail, we would be
delighted to re-launch our business or have gainful employ! (Railways a
speciality!!)
Sorry if this treads on any ng rules about advertising, got to exploit any
and every avenue for business!!

Steve Broadbent
(a regular poster under an alias, now going legit)

Sir John Aspinall wrote:

> Andy Kirkham wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that as the railway network of the United Kingdom has
> grown less and less extensive, more and more peripheral to the
> peoples'lives -- especially in the provinces -- and less and less
> fascinating to the young, the number of railway magazines has actually
> increased.
> 
> Can somebody explain this paradox?
> 
> JA
> 


Privatisation?

Sue McNaughton  wrote:

> Another factor to bear in mind - not so much for the commercial sector 
> as for shoestring operators like rail enthusiast societies - is that the 
> difference in cost between professional typesetting and a keen society 
> member with Word on their PC almost certainly means the difference 
> between a duplicated typescript (remember them?) and a very presentable 
> booklet on glossy paper with a sharp typeface and decent photos.


Yes, that's very true.  The standard of photo reproduction in amateur
publications these days is amazing.  My trusty Laserjet is 18 years
old this year and until a couple of years ago could easily hold its
own against the inkjet mob, but since then their technology has moved
on by leaps and bounds.  Even their font reproduction, which used to 
be a bit ragged and ill-defined, has surpassed what I can print with 
the laser.

But I still pine for the good old days of Risographed type-written
newletters :)  There's something about the clunk-clunk of writing
on a typewriter that makes it... special!

-- 
Andrew Bunting

Tony   Polson  wrote:

> With ever-increasing numbers of magazines being published, I feel sure
> that a limited pool of talent in graphic design is being spread ever
> more thinly across a rapidly increasing number of pages.


I can believe it.

I once knew a chap that produced a newsletter -- he went to DTP
night classes but never seemed to grasp the basic concept of
switching the page to landscape.  So to make his A4 landscape
newsletter, he would print on two portait pages and then cut
and glue the text onto one page to make the master....

It's interesting that as the number of magazines available on any 
particular subject has bloomed I have found myself retrenching and
restricting my subscriptions to a diminishing number of ``known
good'' mags.  In fact in the railway market I've retreated to just
one, B?cktr?ck, and have given up getting current news from print.

I wonder how the increase in titles can be sustained, given that
so many seem to simply rehash press releases that are available
via the Internet.  Plus they make your eyes sore just looking at
them.

-- 
Andrew Bunting
Always angry.  Grrrrr.

Steve Broadbent wrote:

> In article , tp@nospam.co.uk wrote:
>
> > With ever-increasing numbers of magazines being published, I feel sure
> > that a limited pool of talent in graphic design is being spread ever
> > more thinly across a rapidly increasing number of pages.
> >
> > Having run my own printing business, I can say with some confidence
> > that finding capable graphic designers is extremely difficult, unless
> > you are able to offer very high wages - and even then it isn't easy.
>
> It¹s funny you should say there is a shortage of good graphic
> designers.... My wife has 20 years post-graduate experience


This exactly mirrors my Wife's experience. There seems to be an
over-abundance of graphic designers according to employers. Not sure
how many of these are "muddling through" or have spent years attaining
degrees and then full training on all the various software packages
involved, but work is very thin on the ground for qualified people in
this area of employment.