Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that 
Woolies are selling for 599 (was 1199)?

Me and the missus want something like this - and it's a good price. Picture 
looked good *in the shop* but still hesitant..

Or anything else with 2 scarts (for us, thats Sky and DVD in) and S-Video in 
(Windows MCE PC - great toy!). Must be wall mountable.

Ta,
D.

Crown ? - yeah a really famous brand - NOT !!

> Crown ? - yeah a really famous brand - NOT !!


Oh I dunno, I have Crown Emulsion in tins at home - did my Kitchen up a 
treat!

But seriously, you're right - it's not. But then neither are the Haier, H&B, 
HiSense, Maxim and Video7 brands that I've also seen - some of them just as 
expensive, most of them more-so.

So, is brand that important? I expect they're all made by the same people 
from the same components anyway?

Just a thought.

D.

"David Wright"  wrote in message 
news:3o2c67F3r85mU1@individual.net...

> Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that 
> Woolies are selling for 599 (was 1199)?


Have a look here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237817

HTH

p

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:40:31 +0100, David Wright  
 wrote:


>> Crown ? - yeah a really famous brand - NOT !!
>
> Oh I dunno, I have Crown Emulsion in tins at home - did my Kitchen up a
> treat!
>
> But seriously, you're right - it's not. But then neither are the Haier,  
> H&B,
> HiSense, Maxim and Video7 brands that I've also seen - some of them just  
> as
> expensive, most of them more-so.
>
> So, is brand that important? I expect they're all made by the same people
> from the same components anyway?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> D.
>


Yes, they are all mad by the same people using the same low grade  
components.

600 is alot of money to spend on something that is crappy...

On 5 Sep 2005 06:26:11 -0700, "dougnheffernan@gmail.com"
 wrote:


>Crown ? - yeah a really famous brand - NOT !!


The Crown brand has been around for years, since the 50s iirc.

sponix

"David Wright"  wrote in message 
news:3o2c67F3r85mU1@individual.net...

> Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that 
> Woolies are selling for 599 (was 1199)?
>
> Me and the missus want something like this - and it's a good price. 
> Picture looked good *in the shop* but still hesitant..
>
> Or anything else with 2 scarts (for us, thats Sky and DVD in) and S-Video 
> in (Windows MCE PC - great toy!). Must be wall mountable.
>
> Ta,
> D.

Another popular screen is the Video Seven - 30"
http://www.247av.com/videoseven-ltv30c-p-6111.html

Seen this in the working and it is real good value screen.

>> Oh I dunno, I have Crown Emulsion in tins at home - did my Kitchen up a
>> treat!
>>
>> But seriously, you're right - it's not. But then neither are the Haier, 
>> H&B,
>> HiSense, Maxim and Video7 brands that I've also seen - some of them just 
>> as
>> expensive, most of them more-so.
>>
>> So, is brand that important? I expect they're all made by the same people
>> from the same components anyway?
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> D.
>>
>
> Yes, they are all mad by the same people using the same low grade 
> components.
>
> 600 is alot of money to spend on something that is crappy...


How do you know they're crappy? You an electronics design engineer with 
access to circuit diagrams, specifications, soak test sheets, component 
specs etc? Or are you one of those poor sheep who doesn't buy anything 
unless it has a "Sony" badge on it, and ironically ends up buying an even 
more expensive pile of shit?

Hellraiser.............>

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:26:10 +0100, Hellraiser  
 wrote:


>>> Oh I dunno, I have Crown Emulsion in tins at home - did my Kitchen up a
>>> treat!
>>>
>>> But seriously, you're right - it's not. But then neither are the Haier,
>>> H&B,
>>> HiSense, Maxim and Video7 brands that I've also seen - some of them  
>>> just
>>> as
>>> expensive, most of them more-so.
>>>
>>> So, is brand that important? I expect they're all made by the same  
>>> people
>>> from the same components anyway?
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, they are all mad by the same people using the same low grade
>> components.
>>
>> 600 is alot of money to spend on something that is crappy...
>
> How do you know they're crappy? You an electronics design engineer with
> access to circuit diagrams, specifications, soak test sheets, component
> specs etc? Or are you one of those poor sheep who doesn't buy anything
> unless it has a "Sony" badge on it, and ironically ends up buying an even
> more expensive pile of shit?
>
> Hellraiser.............>
>
>



Because it's a budget set, filled with budget components and graded  
panels.  You really only do get what you pay for, there is no magic  
tricks..  And yes, I was a electronics design engineer, for 10 years. (but  
now moved onto software design).

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:30:52 +0100, --s-p-o-n-i-x--   
wrote:


> On 5 Sep 2005 06:26:11 -0700, "dougnheffernan@gmail.com"
>  wrote:
>
>> Crown ? - yeah a really famous brand - NOT !!
>
> The Crown brand has been around for years, since the 50s iirc.
>
> sponix



So has Bush, but it's been bought and sold numerous times.  For a long  
time, it was owned by Amstrad...  A brand being around for a long time  
means nothing.  A established brand name is a commodity, which can be  
bought and sold...

David Wright wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that 
> Woolies are selling for £599 (was £1199)?
> 
> Me and the missus want something like this - and it's a good price. Picture 
> looked good *in the shop* but still hesitant..
> 

My local Woolies wouldn't plug it in for me to see the picture..

I tried another cheap one elsewhere.. Playing a DVD it 
looked great but when the screen, still on AV, showed the 
blue setup page for the dvd player, you could see stuck and 
blank pixels.

It seems a better test to use the AV input and pause a 
mostly single colour image or two from a dvd..

--
Sue

well said sir - I salute you !!

no DVI !!!

no thanks !!!

> Have a look here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237817
>


I was expecting something dire there, but the general consensus seems to be 
that it is rather good - I am kind of surprised!

Only downside is that dead pixel issue - I wonder if Woolies know about dead 
pixels, and would accept a return/exchange if I had one??

D.

>>> Yes, they are all mad by the same people using the same low grade
>>> components.
>>>
>>> 600 is alot of money to spend on something that is crappy...
>>
>> How do you know they're crappy? You an electronics design engineer with
>> access to circuit diagrams, specifications, soak test sheets, component
>> specs etc? Or are you one of those poor sheep who doesn't buy anything
>> unless it has a "Sony" badge on it, and ironically ends up buying an even
>> more expensive pile of shit?
>>
>> Hellraiser.............>
>>
>>
>
>
> Because it's a budget set, filled with budget components and graded 
> panels.  You really only do get what you pay for, there is no magic 
> tricks..  And yes, I was a electronics design engineer, for 10 years. (but 
> now moved onto software design).


Blimey, someone who criticises and knows what he's on about!  A first in 
this newsgroup, surely :)

What panel do they use in these Crown sets then, seeing as there's only 
about 4 companies make 'em!

Hellraiser............>

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:57:27 +0100, Hellraiser  
 wrote:


>>>> Yes, they are all mad by the same people using the same low grade
>>>> components.
>>>>
>>>> 600 is alot of money to spend on something that is crappy...
>>>
>>> How do you know they're crappy? You an electronics design engineer with
>>> access to circuit diagrams, specifications, soak test sheets, component
>>> specs etc? Or are you one of those poor sheep who doesn't buy anything
>>> unless it has a "Sony" badge on it, and ironically ends up buying an  
>>> even
>>> more expensive pile of shit?
>>>
>>> Hellraiser.............>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Because it's a budget set, filled with budget components and graded
>> panels.  You really only do get what you pay for, there is no magic
>> tricks..  And yes, I was a electronics design engineer, for 10 years.  
>> (but
>> now moved onto software design).
>
> Blimey, someone who criticises and knows what he's on about!  A first in
> this newsgroup, surely :)
>
> What panel do they use in these Crown sets then, seeing as there's only
> about 4 companies make 'em!
>
> Hellraiser............>



They usually use Titek panels, as they are (were?) the big cheap 'n' nasty  
asian manufacturer, but it does depend, alot of manufacturers make  
compatible panels, to undercut each other, so "supplier B" will offer  
contract manufacturer a copy of "supplier A" panel, with the same fit form  
function.  It's all very cutthroat, and changes very frequently.

The more reputable manufacturers either make their own panels, or buy from  
a more reputable source, where there is less cutthroat price downs, but  
this means the end user pays more..

On Tue 06 Sep 2005 18:57:27, Hellraiser wrote:
<news:3o63jqF4dl1aU1@individual.net>


> Blimey, someone who criticises and knows what he's on about!  A
> first in this newsgroup, surely :)
> 
> What panel do they use in these Crown sets then, seeing as
> there's only about 4 companies make 'em!
> 
> Hellraiser............> 
> 


Made me take a step back too!  :-)

I thought we were all 14 years olds who posted first and thought 
later.  Excpet me of course who is a highly intelligent honourable 
and highly respected member of the public with knowledge gained over 
several years direct experience of waffle waffle blah blah blah ... 
retch.

>> Blimey, someone who criticises and knows what he's on about!  A
>> first in this newsgroup, surely :)
>>
>> What panel do they use in these Crown sets then, seeing as
>> there's only about 4 companies make 'em!
>>
>> Hellraiser............>
>>
>
> Made me take a step back too!  :-)
>
> I thought we were all 14 years olds who posted first and thought
> later.  Excpet me of course who is a highly intelligent honourable
> and highly respected member of the public with knowledge gained over
> several years direct experience of waffle waffle blah blah blah ...
> retch.


Yeah right, stop telling lies or I'll tell ya mum :)

Hellraiser..........>

"David Wright"  wrote in message 
news:3o2c67F3r85mU1@individual.net...

> Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that 
> Woolies are selling for 599 (was 1199)?
>
> Me and the missus want something like this - and it's a good price. 
> Picture looked good *in the shop* but still hesitant..
>
> Or anything else with 2 scarts (for us, thats Sky and DVD in) and S-Video 
> in (Windows MCE PC - great toy!). Must be wall mountable.
>
> Ta,
> D.
>


I have one,... I'm happy with it. mine has no dead cells, good picture, ok 
sound.... its a good price. :)

David Wright wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience of the Crown CTT3207W 32" LCD TV that
> Woolies are selling for 599 (was 1199)?
>
> Me and the missus want something like this - and it's a good price.
> Picture looked good *in the shop* but still hesitant..
>
> Or anything else with 2 scarts (for us, thats Sky and DVD in) and
> S-Video in (Windows MCE PC - great toy!). Must be wall mountable.
>
> Ta,
> D.


Speaking as an MCE owner myself, I have got to ask why on earth you would 
want to connect your PC to a flat panel display using s-video rather than 
VGA or DVI. You're going to waste that wonderful 1366*768 (16:9) native 
resolution and bung out a sorry 800*600 (maybe 1024*768 if you're lucky) 
(4:3) signal that will then have to be scaled - why would you want to do 
that? If it's because that's all that the TV offers then IMHO it is the 
wrong choice for you.

I've got my MCE machine connected to my 32" CRT TV (flat panel still on the 
wanted list) but at least I'm using a VGA->RGB Scart connection at 1024*576 
(16:9) resolution and get a great picture with that. But if I had a flat 
panel I'd want to use the full resolution and connect with CGA or preferably 
DVI. s-video is pretty cruddy compared to VGA and I'm sure even more so 
compared with DVI.

Tiny Tim wrote:
<snip>

> I've got my MCE machine connected to my 32" CRT TV (flat panel still
> on the wanted list) but at least I'm using a VGA->RGB Scart
> connection at 1024*576 (16:9) resolution and get a great picture with
> that. But if I had a flat panel I'd want to use the full resolution
> and connect with CGA or preferably DVI. s-video is pretty cruddy
> compared to VGA and I'm sure even more so compared with DVI.


Oops - I meant VGA, not CGA.

"Tiny Tim" <_> wrote in message 
news:4325351d$0$1292$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...


> Speaking as an MCE owner myself, I have got to ask why on earth you would 
> want to connect your PC to a flat panel display using s-video rather than 
> VGA or DVI. You're going to waste that wonderful 1366*768 (16:9) native 
> resolution and bung out a sorry 800*600 (maybe 1024*768 if you're lucky) 
> (4:3) signal that will then have to be scaled - why would you want to do 
> that? If it's because that's all that the TV offers then IMHO it is the 
> wrong choice for you.
>
> I've got my MCE machine connected to my 32" CRT TV (flat panel still on 
> the wanted list) but at least I'm using a VGA->RGB Scart connection at 
> 1024*576 (16:9) resolution and get a great picture with that. But if I had 
> a flat panel I'd want to use the full resolution and connect with CGA or 
> preferably DVI. s-video is pretty cruddy compared to VGA and I'm sure even 
> more so compared with DVI.
>


I can confirm that an MCE machine on a 1280x720 panel using DVI is *much* 
better than a TV using RGB.
Especially with HD content but even freeview is better.
Watch the refresh rate as MCE defaults to 60Hz and you need a registry hack 
to get it to 50 or 75 in the UK.

> I can confirm that an MCE machine on a 1280x720 panel using DVI is *much*
> better than a TV using RGB.
> Especially with HD content but even freeview is better.
> Watch the refresh rate as MCE defaults to 60Hz and you need a registry
hack
> to get it to 50 or 75 in the UK.


I'm using a 60Hz video card with a CRT TV at the moment, and getting as good
a picture as can be with SVHS. What would be the problem with not using 50Hz
on the LCD? I'm going to hopefully be getting one next year, so the
information would be helpful in advance.

John

"John Bailey"  wrote in message 
news:dg461a$rs8$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

>> I can confirm that an MCE machine on a 1280x720 panel using DVI is *much*
>> better than a TV using RGB.
>> Especially with HD content but even freeview is better.
>> Watch the refresh rate as MCE defaults to 60Hz and you need a registry
> hack
>> to get it to 50 or 75 in the UK.
>
> I'm using a 60Hz video card with a CRT TV at the moment, and getting as 
> good
> a picture as can be with SVHS. What would be the problem with not using 
> 50Hz
> on the LCD? I'm going to hopefully be getting one next year, so the
> information would be helpful in advance.


UK TV is broadcast at 50 fields (25 frames) a second so you ideally want the 
refresh rate which is a multiple e.g. 50 Hz.
MCE is setup for USA TV which is 60 Hz.

> > I'm using a 60Hz video card with a CRT TV at the moment, and getting as
> > good
> > a picture as can be with SVHS. What would be the problem with not using
> > 50Hz
> > on the LCD? I'm going to hopefully be getting one next year, so the
> > information would be helpful in advance.
>
> UK TV is broadcast at 50 fields (25 frames) a second so you ideally want
the
> refresh rate which is a multiple e.g. 50 Hz.
> MCE is setup for USA TV which is 60 Hz.


Ahh.. so a broadcast display thing rather than a hardware problem then. I
was concerned that the LCD might have problems running with the PC display
at higher resolutions somehow. Perhaps my TV card handles the conversion
because my HTPC plays live digital TV <and my previous analog card did fine
too> and records everything perfectly to play on my TV<60Hz> or the monitor
of my main computer<85Hz>. Its next to impossible on most channels to tell
the difference between the PC and a freeview box output. Could this be
something to do with MCE? as I'm using the ordinary Windows XP with the TV
set as the only display, although when I had a monitor connected for some
setting up, it worked fine then too.

John

"John Bailey"  wrote in message 
news:dg5vo0$ovn$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...


> Ahh.. so a broadcast display thing rather than a hardware problem then. I
> was concerned that the LCD might have problems running with the PC display
> at higher resolutions somehow.


LCDs don't need to run at high refresh rates.
They don't flicker like CRT monitors do.


> Perhaps my TV card handles the conversion
> because my HTPC plays live digital TV <and my previous analog card did 
> fine
> too> and records everything perfectly to play on my TV<60Hz> or the 
> monitor
> of my main computer<85Hz>.


Its things like scrolling text/slow pans that you see most differences.
They look a little jerky if the refresh rates are mismatched.
The card has to display some extra frames to make up the 10 extra needed for 
60Hz rather than 50Hz.

Its the same old problem with NTSC DVDs on PAL(50) you have to do rate 
conversion which degrades the image.


> Its next to impossible on most channels to tell
> the difference between the PC and a freeview box output. Could this be
> something to do with MCE? as I'm using the ordinary Windows XP with the TV
> set as the only display, although when I had a monitor connected for some
> setting up, it worked fine then too.


If its outputting to TV it will default to 25 frames/50 fields per second so 
it will display as intended.

I suspect that if you actually watch the monitor it will have jerky pans and 
other motion effects unless its running at some multiple of 25Hz.

Try (spits) bidup the text is much smoother at 50/75Hz than at HDTV (60 Hz) 
settings (the default is 60hz on MCE).

HTH.

> Try (spits) bidup the text is much smoother at 50/75Hz than at HDTV (60
Hz)
> settings (the default is 60hz on MCE).
>
> HTH.


Thanks for the information. I checked out the scrolling and see your point.
Its not an issue right now, but when I eventually get my LCD, I'll look into
dropping down the refresh rate.

John