Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
problem?

Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.

> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
> problem?
>
> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.


Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
 wrote:


>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>> problem?
>>
>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>
>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!


Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
another car if possible?

Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> wrote:


> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>  wrote:
> 
> >> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> >> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
> >> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
> >> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
> >> problem?
> >>
> >> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
> >> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
> >
> >Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
> 
> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
> another car if possible?


How about pulling it down the hill?
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from Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> contains these words:


> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
> another car if possible?


I've never had any trouble. When people used to park across our drive I
used to just push 'em down the road a bit onto the yellow lines so they
got a ticket.

That was with the handbrake on, of course.

-- 
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In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:16:39 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave>
wrote:


>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
> wrote:
>
>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>
>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>
>Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>another car if possible?


It depends on the hill and how much bumper damage you're willing to
accept.

Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
out the spark plugs.

Cheers,

Colin.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:28:45 +0100, Guy King 
wrote:


>The message 
>from Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> contains these words:
>
>> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>> another car if possible?
>
>I've never had any trouble. When people used to park across our drive I
>used to just push 'em down the road a bit onto the yellow lines so they
>got a ticket.
>
>That was with the handbrake on, of course.


But did you ever "push them uphill", I would of thought pushing a car
downhill be a lot easier than pushing it uphill? But still I wouldn't
be pushing it uphill with the handbrake off so in my case wouldn't
have that problem.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:32:54 +0100, Colin Stamp
 wrote:


>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:16:39 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>>> problem?
>>>>
>>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>>
>>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>>
>>Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>>pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>>another car if possible?
>
>It depends on the hill and how much bumper damage you're willing to
>accept.
>
>Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>out the spark plugs.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Colin.


Why would there be bumper damage as would be slow speed and the weight
distributed evenly? I don't know if pushing the broken car up the hill
by reversing the working car would make any difference, rather than
doing it forwards?

Your saying you started it in gear and used the momentum to get it up
the hill?

How many people would it take to push an average family saloon up a
hill?

"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
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> Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
> Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
> out the spark plugs.


Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
handle ;)

"Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message
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> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
> problem?
>
> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.


Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. What I'm wondering is why
you want to do it this way? OK, so there isn't room in front of the car, but
there is enough room behind it to get a car in to push. Then what you do is
let the handbrake off, roll the car backwards until there is room in front
to attach the towrope.

Steve

"Stuffed"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
> news:8mpmh1t0kevems5bldhu4iv1vhccdkekj1@4ax.com...
>
>> Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>> Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>> out the spark plugs.
>
> Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
> handle ;)


Careful, you're giving your age away.

(Reminds me of that unforgettable scene in 'Ice cold in Alex'.)

Stuffed wrote:

> "Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
> news:8mpmh1t0kevems5bldhu4iv1vhccdkekj1@4ax.com...
> 
> 
>>Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>>Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>>out the spark plugs.
> 
> 
> Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
> handle ;)


I've done that with a Citroen GSA ;)

Richard

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"Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message 
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> Why would there be bumper damage as would be slow speed and the weight
> distributed evenly? I


Distribute one tonne of weight slowly and evenly on your head whilst it is 
on the floor. What would happen?. It's not just weight distribution and 
speed.


> Your saying you started it in gear and used the momentum to get it up
> the hill?


It's possible, but it's emabarrasingly slow.


>
> How many people would it take to push an average family saloon up a
> hill?


Geez, I pity your kids. ;)
Can't you take em to the cinema instead!

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:45:41 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave>
wrote:


>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:32:54 +0100, Colin Stamp
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:16:39 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>>>> problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>>>
>>>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>>>
>>>Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>>>pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>>>another car if possible?
>>
>>It depends on the hill and how much bumper damage you're willing to
>>accept.
>>
>>Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>>Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>>out the spark plugs.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Colin.
>
>Why would there be bumper damage as would be slow speed and the weight
>distributed evenly? I don't know if pushing the broken car up the hill
>by reversing the working car would make any difference, rather than
>doing it forwards?


They're going to get scuffed at the least, especially if they're
painted. Also, bumpers are often just a thin skin over a foam base, so
it doesn't take much pressure to crack the skin. If they're old cars,
you might not mind a bit of minor knackerment.


>
>Your saying you started it in gear and used the momentum to get it up
>the hill?


I'm not sure what you mean about momentum, but I had to get a Sierra
on to a set of full-length wooden ramps - about 300mm lift over a
metre or so, one end of the car at a time. I took out the plugs,
pushed the car to the bottom of the ramps, stuck it in gear and turned
the key. The starter didn't even sound that taxed.


>
>How many people would it take to push an average family saloon up a
>hill?
>


It took about eight to lift my old Metro out of a ditch, but that
probably doesn't help much...

Cheers,

Colin.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:54:19 +0100, "Stuffed"  wrote:


>
>"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
>news:8mpmh1t0kevems5bldhu4iv1vhccdkekj1@4ax.com...
>
>> Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>> Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>> out the spark plugs.
>
>Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
>handle ;)
>


Ice cold in Alex?

Cheers,

Colin.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:01:10 +0100, shazzbat   
wrote:


>
> "Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message
> news:e0omh15lksv9jiqp9d9qkar8p2nk4e6ngf@4ax.com...
>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>> problem?
>>
>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>
> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. What I'm wondering is  
> why
> you want to do it this way? OK, so there isn't room in front of the car,  
> but
> there is enough room behind it to get a car in to push. Then what you do  
> is
> let the handbrake off, roll the car backwards until there is room in  
> front
> to attach the towrope.
>
> Steve
>
>


It depends on how steep the hill is. & the bumpers, push starting Capris  
was never difficult.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:35:35 +0100, Duncanwood  wrote:


>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:01:10 +0100, shazzbat   
>wrote:
>
>>
>> "Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message
>> news:e0omh15lksv9jiqp9d9qkar8p2nk4e6ngf@4ax.com...
>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>
>> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. What I'm wondering is  
>> why
>> you want to do it this way? OK, so there isn't room in front of the car,  
>> but
>> there is enough room behind it to get a car in to push. Then what you do  
>> is
>> let the handbrake off, roll the car backwards until there is room in  
>> front
>> to attach the towrope.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>It depends on how steep the hill is. & the bumpers, push starting Capris  
>was never difficult.


You could always try one of these...

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ch-53e/ch-53e1.html

:-)

Failing that, if you do try push with another car, maybe putting an old carpet
or blanket between them *may* minimise damage to the bumbers.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:16:39 +0100, Robert Sulgrave wrote:


> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>  wrote:
> 
>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>
>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
> 
> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
> another car if possible?


Can you not roll it back enought to get another car in front? Even pull it
back would be preferable to shoving hard.

You will almost certainly get some bumper damage - it's just a question of
how much you are willing to accept.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:16:18 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:


> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:54:19 +0100, "Stuffed"  wrote:
> 
>>
>>"Colin Stamp"  wrote in message
>>news:8mpmh1t0kevems5bldhu4iv1vhccdkekj1@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Last time I needed to get a broken car up a hill, I used the starter.
>>> Starters can manage surprisingly steep hills, especially if you take
>>> out the spark plugs.
>>
>>Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
>>handle ;)
>>
> 
> Ice cold in Alex?


Is that the one where they reverse a 7 tonner up the sand dune? And let go
of the cranking handle nearly at the top by mistake?

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:10:11 +0100, mike <mike@mail.nomail> wrote:


> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:35:35 +0100, Duncanwood   
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:01:10 +0100, shazzbat  
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message
>>> news:e0omh15lksv9jiqp9d9qkar8p2nk4e6ngf@4ax.com...
>>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>>> problem?
>>>>
>>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>>
>>> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. What I'm wondering is
>>> why
>>> you want to do it this way? OK, so there isn't room in front of the  
>>> car,
>>> but
>>> there is enough room behind it to get a car in to push. Then what you  
>>> do
>>> is
>>> let the handbrake off, roll the car backwards until there is room in
>>> front
>>> to attach the towrope.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It depends on how steep the hill is. & the bumpers, push starting Capris
>> was never difficult.
>
> You could always try one of these...
>
> http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ch-53e/ch-53e1.html
>
> :-)
>
> Failing that, if you do try push with another car, maybe putting an old  
> carpet
> or blanket between them *may* minimise damage to the bumbers.



Although I can't help feeling buying a set of jump leads is going to be  
easier than any of the above.

The message 
from Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> contains these words:


> How many people would it take to push an average family saloon up a
> hill?


One, if it's me. A dozen if it's the wife.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

The message 
from Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> contains these words:


> But did you ever "push them uphill", I would of thought pushing a car
> downhill be a lot easier than pushing it uphill? But still I wouldn't
> be pushing it uphill with the handbrake off so in my case wouldn't
> have that problem.


It wasn't particularly uphill - a slight slope. However, most cars can
tow a caravan without too much effort. I managed to tow a Transit with a
Metro once.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?


Hire a winch. Electric if you've got a long distance to go and a suitable
supply, manual if it is only a few car lengths, or you're hard as nails. You
may have to do it in several goes, as the tow wire will be of limited
length.

The winch will be much safer than pushing with a car.

Christian.

In article ,  says...

> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>  wrote:
> 
> >> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> >> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
> >> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
> >> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
> >> problem?
> >>
> >> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
> >> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
> >
> >Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
> 
> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
> another car if possible?
> 

Go to a local tyre fitters and scrounge a couple of old ones off the 
pile. PLace inbetween the two vehicles to provide a cushoin and 
minimise damage.

ALSO have the car that is pushing the other do it in reverse, i.e back 
up to the duff car and push it up using reverse gear.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article , Colin Stamp 
says...


> They're going to get scuffed at the least, especially if they're
> painted. Also, bumpers are often just a thin skin over a foam base, so
> it doesn't take much pressure to crack the skin. If they're old cars,
> you might not mind a bit of minor knackerment.
> 

Are you lot thick?

Simple solution: Couple of old tyres to use as a cushino between the 
two vehicles.

-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article <dffr1e$qeb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, shazzbat says...


> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. 


Oh dear...


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:04:57 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article , Colin Stamp 
>says...
>
>> They're going to get scuffed at the least, especially if they're
>> painted. Also, bumpers are often just a thin skin over a foam base, so
>> it doesn't take much pressure to crack the skin. If they're old cars,
>> you might not mind a bit of minor knackerment.
>> 
>Are you lot thick?
>
>Simple solution: Couple of old tyres to use as a cushino between the 
>two vehicles.



Hmmm, let's see. 

Your solution requires two old tyres. To get them and dispose of them
afterwards, I'd guess at about an hour and a half total - and that's
*if* the first tyre fitter you go to wants to play ball. In fact,
you'll probably end up traipsing around about half a dozen before you
get a non-jobsworth one. After all that it's still likely to damage
paintwork, maybe even much worse.

My solution won't touch the bumpers, and will take about 5 seconds. If
it turns out you need to take the plugs out, that'll go up to about 20
minutes.

I'm all confused. Who was it you think is thick again?

Cheers,

Colin.

>>Are you lot thick?
>>
>>Simple solution: Couple of old tyres to use as a cushino between the
>>two vehicles.
>
> Hmmm, let's see.
>
> Your solution requires two old tyres. To get them and dispose of them
> afterwards, I'd guess at about an hour and a half total - and that's
> *if* the first tyre fitter you go to wants to play ball. In fact,
> you'll probably end up traipsing around about half a dozen before you
> get a non-jobsworth one. After all that it's still likely to damage
> paintwork, maybe even much worse.
>
> My solution won't touch the bumpers, and will take about 5 seconds. If
> it turns out you need to take the plugs out, that'll go up to about 20
> minutes.
>
> I'm all confused. Who was it you think is thick again?


An hour and a half to get two old tyres?  Go outside your local tyre place 
at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut. 
Or if you know someone at a tyre place that'll let you just take them, then 
ask.  Or find a local one-man recovery service who's probably got a few cars 
in his yard for breaking (not a breakers yard) - ask for a couple of bald 
tyres.  If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

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>
> "Stuffed"  wrote in message
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> > Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
> > handle ;)
>
> Careful, you're giving your age away.


I'm not *that* old. I just happen to think the starting handle is a
brilliant invention that should never have been done away with. How many
times have you had a fairly flat battery, and struggeld to spin the engine
over? Now think, with a handle you can have all the available battery power
for the coil, as well as a handy basic compression tester, dead car mover,
fuel pump primer... Only downside is when you've got a diesel Landy, tried
using the handle on one of those many years ago, still aching now!


> (Reminds me of that unforgettable scene in 'Ice cold in Alex'.)


I'm also a fan of good old black and white movies ;)

"Chris Street"  wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:16:18 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:54:19 +0100, "Stuffed"  wrote:

> >>Or stick it in reverse, pull out the plugs, and wind it on the starting
> >>handle ;)
> >>
> >
> > Ice cold in Alex?


Yep. Brilliant film, IMO :)


> Is that the one where they reverse a 7 tonner up the sand dune? And let go
> of the cranking handle nearly at the top by mistake?


That'd be the one. And the heroic Brit is actually an alcoholic who just
wants a cold beer... OK, not quite, but still, it's in there somewhere :)

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:06:21 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
 wrote:


>>>Are you lot thick?
>>>
>>>Simple solution: Couple of old tyres to use as a cushino between the
>>>two vehicles.
>>
>> Hmmm, let's see.
>>
>> Your solution requires two old tyres. To get them and dispose of them
>> afterwards, I'd guess at about an hour and a half total - and that's
>> *if* the first tyre fitter you go to wants to play ball. In fact,
>> you'll probably end up traipsing around about half a dozen before you
>> get a non-jobsworth one. After all that it's still likely to damage
>> paintwork, maybe even much worse.
>>
>> My solution won't touch the bumpers, and will take about 5 seconds. If
>> it turns out you need to take the plugs out, that'll go up to about 20
>> minutes.
>>
>> I'm all confused. Who was it you think is thick again?
>
>An hour and a half to get two old tyres?  


Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.


>Go outside your local tyre place 
>at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut. 


I don't know about you, but I don't keep a list of tyre places that
have unfenced scrap-piles, so that'll be a lengthy drive-round then
(assuming I can get the good car out past the duff one in the first
place). Then I've got to sculk around waiting for the coast to clear.
All this after most likely waiting a few hours for nightfall. Then I
still have to take them back. You're right, an hour and a half is
nothing-like enough, even assuming you do want to it the pikey way.


>Or if you know someone at a tyre place that'll let you just take them, then 
>ask. 


I don't know anyone like that. I have to take pot-luck.


>Or find a local one-man recovery service who's probably got a few cars 
>in his yard for breaking (not a breakers yard) - ask for a couple of bald 
>tyres.  


Have them say "sod off", then drive somewhere else. Have them say "sod
off", then drive somewhere else. etc.etc. All assuming I can get the
good car out past the duff one in the first place.


>If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.


What? you mean I might have to *pay* for them as well? I'll have to
work on my bust, now where's that Guinness...

Cheers,

Colin.

>>An hour and a half to get two old tyres?
>
> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
>
>>Go outside your local tyre place
>>at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut.
>
> I don't know about you, but I don't keep a list of tyre places that
> have unfenced scrap-piles, so that'll be a lengthy drive-round then


Nor do I, but I know of one locally, within about 5 minutes' drive away.


> (assuming I can get the good car out past the duff one in the first
> place).


So you park a running car in a position where it's blocked in by a knackered 
one?  Shrewd security move, if a little inconvenient.


> Then I've got to sculk around waiting for the coast to clear.
> All this after most likely waiting a few hours for nightfall. Then I
> still have to take them back. You're right, an hour and a half is
> nothing-like enough, even assuming you do want to it the pikey way.


Depends how far out in the sticks you live.


> Have them say "sod off", then drive somewhere else. Have them say "sod
> off", then drive somewhere else. etc.etc. All assuming I can get the
> good car out past the duff one in the first place.


What *is* all this talk about getting the good car out past the duff one? 
Why the hell would you want to block in a perfectly good running car with a 
knackered one?


>>If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.
>
> What? you mean I might have to *pay* for them as well? I'll have to
> work on my bust, now where's that Guinness...


You might do.  Depends on the person.  Remember though, Guiness is cheaper 
than plastic surgery.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

Colin Stamp wrote:

>
>  All assuming I can get the
> good car out past the duff one in the first place.
>


Aha! You mean the pushing car is actually stuck behind the dead one?

You never mentioned that aspect...

In which case it's *still* better to make a friend and get them to tow it 
uphill with a rope.

A strong rope.

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message
news:NG0Te.3068$zw1.2588@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...

> >>Are you lot thick?
> >>
> >>Simple solution: Couple of old tyres to use as a cushino between the
> >>two vehicles.
> >
> > Hmmm, let's see.
> >
> > Your solution requires two old tyres. To get them and dispose of them
> > afterwards, I'd guess at about an hour and a half total - and that's
> > *if* the first tyre fitter you go to wants to play ball. In fact,
> > you'll probably end up traipsing around about half a dozen before you
> > get a non-jobsworth one. After all that it's still likely to damage
> > paintwork, maybe even much worse.
> >
> > My solution won't touch the bumpers, and will take about 5 seconds. If
> > it turns out you need to take the plugs out, that'll go up to about 20
> > minutes.
> >
> > I'm all confused. Who was it you think is thick again?
>
> An hour and a half to get two old tyres?  Go outside your local tyre place
> at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut.
> Or if you know someone at a tyre place that'll let you just take them,
then
> ask.  Or find a local one-man recovery service who's probably got a few
cars
> in his yard for breaking (not a breakers yard) - ask for a couple of bald
> tyres.  If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.
>


You'll get them for nothing whoever you are. Tyre places have to pay to have
them taken away. This is why there's a disposal fee added to your tyre
replacement bill. They will happily watch you take away all their old tyres,
they may even give you a hand to load them. Just don't expect them to take
them back when you've finished.

Even so, the idea of pushing one car with another is bollocks, with or
without tyres in between. You still have the force of the pushing car being
transmitted to the bumper of the pushed car. This is going to damage the
bumper as has been mentioned by several posters, or distort the bumper
mountings, or damage the wiring to the rear lights or the lights themselves,
especially the number plate light. The modern bumper is an aerodynamic and
decorative/styling item, it's not the load bearing component it used to be.

Steve

>> An hour and a half to get two old tyres?  Go outside your local tyre 
>> place
>> at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're 
>> shut.
>> Or if you know someone at a tyre place that'll let you just take them, 
>> then
>> ask.  Or find a local one-man recovery service who's probably got a few 
>> cars
>> in his yard for breaking (not a breakers yard) - ask for a couple of bald
>> tyres.  If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.
>
> You'll get them for nothing whoever you are. Tyre places have to pay to 
> have
> them taken away. This is why there's a disposal fee added to your tyre
> replacement bill.


Aye, I know that, but I was thinking of the potential of the tyre man 
worrying that he might get prosecuted for giving someone bald tyres (in this 
'no win no fee' culture we seem to live in).


> They will happily watch you take away all their old tyres,
> they may even give you a hand to load them. Just don't expect them to take
> them back when you've finished.


Heh, that's what after closing time's for.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:23:04 GMT, "PC Paul"  wrote:


>Colin Stamp wrote:
>>
>>  All assuming I can get the
>> good car out past the duff one in the first place.
>>
>
>Aha! You mean the pushing car is actually stuck behind the dead one?
>
>You never mentioned that aspect...
>
>In which case it's *still* better to make a friend and get them to tow it 
>uphill with a rope.
>
>A strong rope.
>

I'm not the OP and we're not getting much info from him about what the
situation is. I was going by this post :-


>Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>another car if possible?


I get the impression that the duff car might possibly be blocking a
working one on a drive or something.

Cheers,

Colin.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:22:36 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
 wrote:


>>>An hour and a half to get two old tyres?
>>
>> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
>> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
>>
>>>Go outside your local tyre place
>>>at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut.
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I don't keep a list of tyre places that
>> have unfenced scrap-piles, so that'll be a lengthy drive-round then
>
>Nor do I, but I know of one locally, within about 5 minutes' drive away.
>
>> (assuming I can get the good car out past the duff one in the first
>> place).
>
>So you park a running car in a position where it's blocked in by a knackered 
>one?  Shrewd security move, if a little inconvenient.
>
>> Then I've got to sculk around waiting for the coast to clear.
>> All this after most likely waiting a few hours for nightfall. Then I
>> still have to take them back. You're right, an hour and a half is
>> nothing-like enough, even assuming you do want to it the pikey way.
>
>Depends how far out in the sticks you live.
>
>> Have them say "sod off", then drive somewhere else. Have them say "sod
>> off", then drive somewhere else. etc.etc. All assuming I can get the
>> good car out past the duff one in the first place.
>
>What *is* all this talk about getting the good car out past the duff one? 
>Why the hell would you want to block in a perfectly good running car with a 
>knackered one?


Cars have been known to just fail to start one morning you know...

Anyway, even if there were two old tyres already hanging from the
bumper, I'd still just get in the bloody car, stick it in gear and
twist the key!


>
>>>If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.
>>
>> What? you mean I might have to *pay* for them as well? I'll have to
>> work on my bust, now where's that Guinness...
>
>You might do.  Depends on the person.  Remember though, Guiness is cheaper 
>than plastic surgery.


Damn. There goes another cunning plan. I'm halfway down the bloody
Guinness now too.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:04:06 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article ,  says...
>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>> >> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>> >> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>> >> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>> >> problem?
>> >>
>> >> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>> >> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>> >
>> >Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>> 
>> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>> another car if possible?
>> 
>Go to a local tyre fitters and scrounge a couple of old ones off the 
>pile. PLace inbetween the two vehicles to provide a cushoin and 
>minimise damage.
>
>ALSO have the car that is pushing the other do it in reverse, i.e back 
>up to the duff car and push it up using reverse gear.


Seems a good idea. Why would it be better pushing it in reverse? Is
there more "push" in reverse at low speeds than in 1st? They are both
front wheel drive manual gearbox.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:01:51 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
 wrote:


>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>
>Hire a winch. Electric if you've got a long distance to go and a suitable
>supply, manual if it is only a few car lengths, or you're hard as nails. You
>may have to do it in several goes, as the tow wire will be of limited
>length.
>
>The winch will be much safer than pushing with a car.
>
>Christian.
>

How could a stand alone winch work? Would need to be fixed to
something heavy?

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:05:27 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article <dffr1e$qeb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, shazzbat says...
>
>> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers. 
>
>Oh dear...

The bumpers are not painted so no worries there. And its a late 80s
car so maybe not as fragile as a modern car.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:48:46 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R <Sulgrave>> wrote:


> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:05:27 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> In article <dffr1e$qeb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, shazzbat says...
>>
>>> Yes it would almost certainly damage the bumpers.
>>
>> Oh dear...
> The bumpers are not painted so no worries there. And its a late 80s
> car so maybe not as fragile as a modern car.


Shouldn't be a problem, though it's probably easier to tow it, surely you  
have at least one friend ? :-)

AstraVanMan  writes

>
> - ask for a couple of bald
>tyres.  If you've got big tits you might get them for nothing.
>

If you've got big tits you could soon get a bunch of guys together who 
would push it up the hill.
-- 
Gordon Harris

"Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message
news:22fph1h8qn1h8iqtv56d0cmqcp2vhdsl62@4ax.com...


> Seems a good idea. Why would it be better pushing it in reverse? Is
> there more "push" in reverse at low speeds than in 1st? They are both
> front wheel drive manual gearbox.


Reverse is almost always the lowest ratio in the box. So there's a bit more
push, and also more revs per mph so perhaps slightly better for very low
speed "contact manouvres" maybe?

Robert Sulgrave wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:04:06 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,  says...
>>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from
>>>>> being parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on
>>>>> the hill? This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure
>>>>> if using an automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the
>>>>> clutch maybe a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be
>>>>> done slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>>>
>>>> Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>>>
>>> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>>> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>>> another car if possible?
>>>
>> Go to a local tyre fitters and scrounge a couple of old ones off the
>> pile. PLace inbetween the two vehicles to provide a cushoin and
>> minimise damage.
>>
>> ALSO have the car that is pushing the other do it in reverse, i.e
>> back up to the duff car and push it up using reverse gear.
>
> Seems a good idea. Why would it be better pushing it in reverse? Is
> there more "push" in reverse at low speeds than in 1st? They are both
> front wheel drive manual gearbox.


There's more 'push' (torque) due to the lower gear ratio in reverse. Also 
more fine control.

And in reverse in a FWD car the power will tend to make the driving wheels 
dig in rather than lift off, same as FWD wheelspins a lot more than RWD 
going forwards...

> How could a stand alone winch work? Would need to be fixed to
> something heavy?


Either heavy, or a stake in the ground, or suitable tree etc. How strong
depends on the slope and the weight of the car. Have someone standing by
with chocks, though, in case the winch starts going down the hill.

Christian.

> And in reverse in a FWD car the power will tend to make the driving wheels
> dig in rather than lift off, same as FWD wheelspins a lot more than RWD
> going forwards...


And when steering, there will be less sideways force on the contact area.

Christian.

Robert Sulgrave (R Sulgrave) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were 
saying :


>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.

>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!

> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
> another car if possible?


So move the working car out the way, roll the broken one down, then tow the 
broken one from "above".

You *will* fuck plastic bumpers up, big time, by pushing.

In message <dfi9vb$3ti$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, shazzbat 
 writes

>Even so, the idea of pushing one car with another is bollocks, with or
>without tyres in between. You still have the force of the pushing car being
>transmitted to the bumper of the pushed car. This is going to damage the
>bumper as has been mentioned by several posters, or distort the bumper
>mountings, or damage the wiring to the rear lights or the lights themselves,
>especially the number plate light. The modern bumper is an aerodynamic and
>decorative/styling item, it's not the load bearing component it used to be.
>

How about connecting the towing eyes on both vehicles using a rigid 
metal pole?  The eyes are designed to handle the stresses of towing, and 
so shouldn't baulk at the job.  Okay, so you're pushing when they're 
really designed to be pulled, but the forces should be no different from 
what would happen if the towing car brakes for both vehicles in a normal 
towing configuration.

You can buy a proper rigid towing bar from the likes of Halfords (or at 
least you could, it's been a while since I looked) or possibly make one 
from an old piece of scaffolding pole.
-- 
David Thornber

In article , Colin Stamp 
says...


> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
> 

10 minutes for me. I live in a small town population 11000.


> >Go outside your local tyre place 
> >at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut. 
> 
> I don't know about you, but I don't keep a list of tyre places that
> have unfenced scrap-piles, so that'll be a lengthy drive-round then
> (assuming I can get the good car out past the duff one in the first
> place). Then I've got to sculk around waiting for the coast to clear.
> All this after most likely waiting a few hours for nightfall. Then I
> still have to take them back. You're right, an hour and a half is
> nothing-like enough, even assuming you do want to it the pikey way.
> 

Alternatively, walk in when its open, ask them if you can have a couple 
of tyres and they'll gladly let you take them.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article <MCaTe.543$fb.266@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, PC Paul 
says...


> There's more 'push' (torque) due to the lower gear ratio in reverse. Also 
> more fine control.
> 
> And in reverse in a FWD car the power will tend to make the driving wheels 
> dig in rather than lift off, same as FWD wheelspins a lot more than RWD 
> going forwards...
> 

DING!



-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

The message 
from Conor  contains these words:


> Alternatively, walk in when its open, ask them if you can have a couple 
> of tyres and they'll gladly let you take them.


A friend of mine used tyres half buried on edge to form the sides of the
play area under the climbing frame I built for her. Looked so like the
Lock Ness monster that she eventually carved a head and added it.

Tyre shop were most surprised when a 6'2" attractive blonde came to fill
up her Espace with old tyres.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:28:45 +0100, Guy King 
wrote:


>The message 
>from Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> contains these words:
>
>> Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>> pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>> another car if possible?
>
>I've never had any trouble. When people used to park across our drive I
>used to just push 'em down the road a bit onto the yellow lines so they
>got a ticket.
>
>That was with the handbrake on, of course.


Hehe, I did that once. For a while a Micra would be found parked outside
our house when we got up in the morning, and gone when we got home in
the afternoon. Nobody near knew anything about it.

One day my neighbour needed a skip dropping on his garden, and said car
was in the way. I had a HJ60 LandCruiser at the time, so I hooked it up
and towed it 50 yards up the slope against the handbrake.

Never saw it again...
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by email)     
----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---
---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--
-1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri
    ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:16:39 +0100, Robert Sulgrave <R Sulgrave> wrote:


>On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:08:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
> wrote:
>
>>> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
>>> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
>>> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
>>> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
>>> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers.
>>
>>Tow ropes really aren't *that* expensive, you know!
>
>Yes but we cant get another car in front to pull it. Will have to be
>pushed, the broken car is at the front. So will have to be pushed by
>another car if possible?


I have a pretty heavy (40mm square section) solid bar I use for towing,
towbar to towing eye. A similar bar could be used to push, twoing eye to
towing eye.
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by email)     
----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---
---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--
-1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri
    ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:41 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article , Colin Stamp 
>says...
>
>> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
>> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
>> 
>10 minutes for me. I live in a small town population 11000.


I am truly in awe of your superlative scrap tyre procurement
expertise. 
So you've got the tyres then, and you've only taken 120 times the
length of time it would have taken me to do the whole job. Oh and you
haven't taken the tyres back yet - or moved the car, for which you'll
be needing an extra driver, by the way. 


>
>> >Go outside your local tyre place 
>> >at night and grab a couple.  Dump them back on the pile when they're shut. 
>> 
>> I don't know about you, but I don't keep a list of tyre places that
>> have unfenced scrap-piles, so that'll be a lengthy drive-round then
>> (assuming I can get the good car out past the duff one in the first
>> place). Then I've got to sculk around waiting for the coast to clear.
>> All this after most likely waiting a few hours for nightfall. Then I
>> still have to take them back. You're right, an hour and a half is
>> nothing-like enough, even assuming you do want to it the pikey way.
>> 
>Alternatively, walk in when its open, ask them if you can have a couple 
>of tyres and they'll gladly let you take them.


And in the act of walking from their door to the counter, you've taken
as long as it would have taken to move the car using the starter.

Cheers,

Colin.

Not a modern car I would think.

Have done this (a long time in the past) with Triumph Herald v another 
Hearald, and with a moggie - but very very gently, relying on the overriders
..
"Robert Sulgrave" <R Sulgrave> wrote in message 
news:e0omh15lksv9jiqp9d9qkar8p2nk4e6ngf@4ax.com...

> Could the same size and same CC car push another car uphill from being
> parked on the hill, bumper to bumper from being parked on the hill?
> This would be a manual car pushing the other, not sure if using an
> automatic would make a difference? Bringing up the clutch maybe a
> problem?
>
> Don't suppose it would do any damage to the bumpers as would be done
> slowly and could be cushioned between the two bumpers. 

In article , Colin Stamp 
says...

> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:41 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article , Colin Stamp 
> >says...
> >
> >> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
> >> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
> >> 
> >10 minutes for me. I live in a small town population 11000.
> 
> I am truly in awe of your superlative scrap tyre procurement
> expertise. 
> So you've got the tyres then, and you've only taken 120 times the
> length of time it would have taken me to do the whole job. Oh and you
> haven't taken the tyres back yet - or moved the car, for which you'll
> be needing an extra driver, by the way. 
> 

Why would I need an extra driver to move a car 10ft?



> And in the act of walking from their door to the counter, you've taken
> as long as it would have taken to move the car using the starter.
> 

BUT

a) I wouldn't have shagged the starter.
b) I wouldn't have melted a set of jump leads.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:22:53 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article , Colin Stamp 
>says...
>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:41 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article , Colin Stamp 
>> >says...
>> >
>> >> Yep. At a guess, on average. You might be able to manage quicker, but
>> >> only if you live in a tyre-fitter-rich-environment.
>> >> 
>> >10 minutes for me. I live in a small town population 11000.
>> 
>> I am truly in awe of your superlative scrap tyre procurement
>> expertise. 
>> So you've got the tyres then, and you've only taken 120 times the
>> length of time it would have taken me to do the whole job. Oh and you
>> haven't taken the tyres back yet - or moved the car, for which you'll
>> be needing an extra driver, by the way. 
>> 
>Why would I need an extra driver to move a car 10ft?


There's no room for a car to tow it remember. That presumably means it
has to be pushed round a corner. What are you going to do? set up the
steering and hope it doesn't self-center too much?


>
>
>> And in the act of walking from their door to the counter, you've taken
>> as long as it would have taken to move the car using the starter.
>> 
>BUT
>
>a) I wouldn't have shagged the starter.


It'll wear the starter by maybe four or five starts-worth. You have a
very odd definition of shagging.


>b) I wouldn't have melted a set of jump leads.


Why would you want to melt your jump-leads? When I used this method to
move a three-conrod Sierra up a one-in-three gradient, my jump-leads
remained un-melted - mainly because they stayed coiled up in the
cupboard under the stairs throughout the exercise.

If you want ( for the purpose of not looking thicker than you make
others out to be) to assume the battery is flat, then you'll still
find that a *properly-used* set of jump leads will work just fine.

Cheers,

Colin.

stick a tyre between the bumpers to minimise damage and to ensure your
bumper paint (if app) doesn't rub off on to the victims car!
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a caravan? was it a 2 dwarf berth then on 10" mini wheels hehe :-)
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