Hi,

I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.

We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.

Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
stuck it in with expanding foam.

The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
problems later? I suspect the later.

-- 

Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
>
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago.
> People next door (other half of semi) have just had square section
> system put in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall
> pipes have been removed and now replaced with square, without a
> 'would you mind if...'.
>
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
>
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and
> problems later? I suspect the later.


Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the latter. The
stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.

shaun presented the following explanation :

> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the latter. The
> stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.


From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
even filled up with the stuff.

-- 

Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
>
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is
> not even filled up with the stuff.


It will start yellowing & crumbling within 12m, if in direct light.  Paint 
over with black mastic would do for a good while, but for a paid job I'd 
expect a proper connector.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:


> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.


Good in the right places...


> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.


And this is not one of them!


> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.


Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is 
not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em back 
to do it with the correct connector!


-- 
Cheers,

John.

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John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :

> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is not 
> totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em back to do it 
> with the correct connector!


It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
this.

Thanks all.

-- 

Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:36:52 +0100, John Rumm wrote:


> Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> 
>> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> Good in the right places...
> 
>> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
>> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
>> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> And this is not one of them!
> 
>> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
>> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 
> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is 
> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em back 
> to do it with the correct connector!


I may well be wrong but I have not seen connectors for adapting different
rainwater systems. 

Ideally, a semi needs to have the guttering replaced as an entire
building. If that were not possible then the installers should have said
that because it's one building they could only replace the guttering with
the same stuff as yours. 

-- 
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Ed Sirett wrote:


> I may well be wrong but I have not seen connectors for adapting different
> rainwater systems. 


You can certainly get round (and ogee) section to square section 
adaptors. My neighbour had his steel ogee gutters replaced a few years 
ago with PVC square section. Must admit I did not pay much attention at 
the time, but when I replaced my guttering recently I found two such 
connectors joining the old to the new.


-- 
Cheers,

John.

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"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk...

> Hi,
>
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
>
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put in, 
> which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been removed 
> and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
>
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of the 
> fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just stuck 
> it in with expanding foam.
>
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.


Yip it does not like sunlight. The escaped blobs of the stuff near my 
soffits went from blue to brown in a couple of months and when I finally 
went up to clear up, the brown stuff just powedered in my hands. So not 
really any good outside in the light.

Ed Sirett wrote:


> I may well be wrong but I have not seen connectors for adapting
> different rainwater systems.


They are available (one supplier below):

http://www.roplas.co.uk/list.asp?id=162&keyword=&colour=-%20Select%20-&pagePos=2

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
> in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
> removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
> 
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 


Maybe they don't want to talk to a self righteous, pompous twat?


-- 
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Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.282f7d595250e475.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :
>> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is
>> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em
>> back to do it with the correct connector!
> 
> It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
> this.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


Of course it is. You didn't do it.

-- 
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Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25417d593095e1c7.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
> 
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
> even filled up with the stuff.
> 


Well done to them, I say.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
> in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
> removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
> 
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 


Maybe they don't want to talk to a self righteous, pompous twat?


-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.282f7d595250e475.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :
>> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is
>> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em
>> back to do it with the correct connector!
> 
> It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
> this.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


Of course it is. You didn't do it.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25417d593095e1c7.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
> 
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
> even filled up with the stuff.
> 


Well done to them, I say.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
> in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
> removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
> 
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 


Maybe they don't want to talk to a self righteous, pompous twat?


-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.282f7d595250e475.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :
>> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is
>> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em
>> back to do it with the correct connector!
> 
> It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
> this.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


Of course it is. You didn't do it.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25417d593095e1c7.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
> 
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
> even filled up with the stuff.
> 


Well done to them, I say.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
> in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
> removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
> 
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 


Maybe they don't want to talk to a self righteous, pompous twat?


-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.282f7d595250e475.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :
>> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is
>> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em
>> back to do it with the correct connector!
> 
> It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
> this.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


Of course it is. You didn't do it.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25417d593095e1c7.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
> 
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
> even filled up with the stuff.
> 


Well done to them, I say.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25087d593d0475fb.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the stuff, so I don't really know its properties.
> 
> We had new plastic guttering/fall pipes installed ome years ago. People 
> next door (other half of semi) have just had square section system put 
> in, which does not match up with ours. Our round fall pipes have been 
> removed and now replaced with square, without a 'would you mind if...'.
> 
> Our half round gutters obviously do not fit the square T at the top of 
> the fall pipe, so the installers instead of obtaining an adaptor, just 
> stuck it in with expanding foam.
> 
> The question is, is this adeqaute, or can we expect deterioration and 
> problems later? I suspect the later.
> 


Maybe they don't want to talk to a self righteous, pompous twat?


-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.282f7d595250e475.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> John Rumm explained on 05/09/2005 :
>> Nope it is a total bodge (the foam breaks down with UV exposure and is
>> not totally waterproof to start with). Get the neighbour to have em
>> back to do it with the correct connector!
> 
> It certainly looks like a bodge. I just wanted a second opinion on 
> this.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


Of course it is. You didn't do it.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.25417d593095e1c7.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> shaun presented the following explanation :
>> Unless they have applied some kind of coating then certainly the
>> latter. The stuff doesn't like exposure to the sun at all.
> 
> From the ground, they do not seem to have done and the joint is not 
> even filled up with the stuff.
> 


Well done to them, I say.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

Ed Sirett wrote:

> I may well be wrong but I have not seen connectors for adapting different
> rainwater systems.


I forget the name of the company but at one of these self build shows
there was a company that produced guttering and the guy there told me
they could supply various adaptors from their new gutters to connect to
other makes, new and obsolete.